Part number for extended length Bilstein shockies to suit D2

[twr7cx]

What is the part numbers for the long travel Bilstein shock absorbers to suit D2? Bilstein catalogue does not list such an item.

[discolaw]

What is the part numbers for the long travel Bilstein shock absorbers to suit D2? Bilstein catalogue does not list such an item.

Only made for Oz market(believe it or not!) so not in normal catalogues. Reason you can't get them cheap from US. I think Suspenson Stuff in Bris. carry them. At least that was the situation approx 18mths ago when I was looking for some.

[twr7cx]

Only made for Oz market(believe it or not!) so not in normal catalogues. Reason you can't get them cheap from US. I think Suspenson Stuff in Bris. carry them. At least that was the situation approx 18mths ago when I was looking for some.

Serious? But the USA guys do some crazy lifts compared to us! I'm suprised such a large company like Bilstein would make a complete product for such a small market like Australia. I know they don't make Falcon shockabsorbers for this reason (the Falcon Bilsteins are actually shock absorbers to suit other vehicles that have been modified here in Australia after the stock has been purchased by Bilstein, to suit the Falcon).

[Krayzie Keegs]

Bilstein Long travel shockers 994 / 995's

check out les richmond for price Performance Suspension Kits (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/contents/en-us/d599.html#p17196)

[alpick]

Or direct from bilsteins syd via heasmans

Bilstein shock absorbers - Sydney Shock Absorbers is the Australian distributor of Bilstein shocks (http://www.bilstein.com.au/)


And make sure you also get the guards to protect the mono tube when off road, just a couple of plates that attach.
Cheers

[discolaw]

Serious? But the USA guys do some crazy lifts compared to us! I'm suprised such a large company like Bilstein would make a complete product for such a small market like Australia. I know they don't make Falcon shockabsorbers for this reason (the Falcon Bilsteins are actually shock absorbers to suit other vehicles that have been modified here in Australia after the stock has been purchased by Bilstein, to suit the Falcon).

Yeah I know, hard to believe but true. When I tried to get some from US suppliers they said they never heard of them. When I hasseled 'em a bit they went back to the Billies factory to investigate. Came back and told me the only place I could get them was where I lived. Bit embarrassing.
As far as I could find out no overseas places sell them so its only Oz suppliers as per the other posts.

[CJT]

As mentioned the part numbers are 994 & 995 for the Australian specified +50mm D2 shocks, direct bolt in repalcement. I believe they where designed by a group of Land Rover owners over here.

Now, if you are happy to work out all of your own shock details you can use something like the Bilstein 7100 that you can buy direct from the USA.

However you need to work out what shock rates you want, what length you need as well as purchase adapters for the front to allow the lower shock mount to bolt up.

There are plenty of threads on this approach if you are interested.

[Ports]

Has anyone have experience with both the 994/995 vs the 7100?

I am about to put in 2" spring lift and appreciate feed back.

Yes I use disco off road. Vic High country and also tow fibreglass half cab when not 4wd ing.

Want wheel travel but also stability and something that will take corrugations as well as larger bumps in the road :angel:

[twr7cx]

Has anyone have experience with both the 994/995 vs the 7100?

994/995 are a straight fit, no mucking around.

The 7100 require you to get additional items for fitting and a bit of creativity.

[SiddersC]

994/995 are a straight fit, no mucking around.


Touch and go if you will need extended brake lines or not though

[LowRanger]

You could always buy the 7100's and have Heasmans modify the mounts

[twr7cx]

Touch and go if you will need extended brake lines or not though

That is due to your springs not the shock absorbers.

[rick130]

That is due to your springs not the shock absorbers.

No, if the damper allows more droop the brake line maybe/probably will be the droop limiter.

Droop is limited by your damper or bush distortion on a radius arm (or a limit strap) not your springs.
You don't really want a rubber hose to be a droop limiter ;)

[clubagreenie]

Does anyone know the open/closed lengths and travel of the 994/5's to compare to select 7100's?

[twr7cx]

No, if the damper allows more droop the brake line maybe/probably will be the droop limiter.

Droop is limited by your damper or bush distortion on a radius arm (or a limit strap) not your springs.
You don't really want a rubber hose to be a droop limiter ;)

Yes, you are correct. I had a bit of a blonde moment thinking that he was refering to having to extend the brake lines when just fitting the lift.

[SiddersC]

What I was referring to was the fact that some vehicles may need extended brake lines, some may not, best to get it flexing and check the effect on them.
The springs have no effect on suspension droop, it is determined by the length of the shock, as mentioned by Lowranger.

[walker]

I have had the extended Bilsteins before, and while they are good shocks, I don't like the longevity of the Billy's. Maybe I punish them too hard but I was getting oil leaks after less than 60k. I know they can be rebuilt, but I just expect more from such an expensive shock.

This time I have gone for Koni Heavy Tracks for 2" lift. Only time will tell how they last but they feel great and have almost identical open/closed lengths as the extended Bilsteins.

Best thing is that they are available in Europe, not just Australia, so I got mine from Paddocks for $600 delivered.

PS. Definately extend the brake lines and ABS lines if installing the extended shocks.

[999]

Make sure you add extended bump stops with the konis I f**ked my fronts with out them (under 30000k). I haven't inquired a about rebuild costs yet but I'm not to impressed with the koni damping rate.

[walker]

The closed length is the same as the closed length of the extended Bilsteins, there is no need for extended bumpstops. I did jack up the axle while springs and shocks were out just to see how much room there was. There was still just over 20mm even when hard against bumpstops.

While I haven't had the Koni's long, I had the Billsteins for years without a problem. Both are specifically made for the Disco without the need for extended bumpstops. I wonder if your pump stops were damaged or faulty.

Also the Koni's are fully adjustable for rebound dampening. Had you adjusted yours? I found that they come from the factory in different positions so you need to ensure both are adjusted to same setting before installing.

[999]

I installed new bump stops when I installed the konis along with king extended hd springs, by the end my bump stops had disintergrated allong with the shocks, I know you can ajsust the rbound with the konis I still have the rear ones on and the set to the max rebound atm what I find with the konis are they damp great at high speed but ny technical slow speed stuff they dont preform
Know on the front I have my origion D2 dampers with xhd dobinsons +2 springs and the d2 behaves much better. I currently trying to work out waht dampers for front I'm gong to go with. I think I'll Go with rovertyms flower front damper mount and suss out son eye2eyr shocks along with spaced ot towers.

I've got a photo of the konis and stock damper closed and extended side by side some where at home. I ll poste them up when I get home from camping.

[rick130]

That sounds really odd as the rebound adjustment mainly affects the low speed circuit by closing off bleed ports. (as well as increasing the pre-load on the stack in the twin tube damper)

[999]

That sounds really odd as the rebound adjustment mainly affects the low speed circuit by closing off bleed ports. (as well as increasing the pre-load on the stack in the twin tube damper)
bit technical for me but they don,t behave at low speed.

Take a speed bump under 30ks 2-3 bounces to stabilize, at 50 ks stabilizes on first rebound

[Slunnie]

You could always buy the 7100's and have Heasmans modify the mounts
That will blow out the cost significantly because to do that they also have to strip and rebuild the shock. They cant TIG the body mount while the shock is under pressure.


Here is my opinion on it all.
I would be inclined to use the D2 shock. I suspect its an Australian part only because they have been developed by Heasman and they have the Bilstein motorsports unit in the same factory and its easy for them to build any shock from any part. We're lucky in that respect that they care enough to do it.

The shock that they produce will be a properly fitting and properly bushed shock that will just work - no dramas and be as cost effective as a Bilstein will ever be. Personally, I think that out of the box, Bilsteins are the highest quality shock and best designed shock on the market with the exception of their bushes - I change these to poly, they don't believe in poly.

If you want to get into buggy shocks, they come with rose joints top and bottom. These are really cool, and then after 6months they will start to click and annoy you so you'll replace them and then 6 months later you will have Heasmans replace the rose joints with bushes, which means they also need to totally tare down your shocks which will also cost you for a rebuild. If you fit buggy shocks they're also a bit trickier to fit as they need adaptors from 1/2" to 12mm (they come with them) and shims to fill out the shock mounts. The lower fronts are also a bit tricky.

If you want buggy shocks, I would look at the 6100 series. They are much more cost effective than the 7100 but every bit a buggy shock. You choose your valving and select from the available lengths or travel. If you get it wrong, then you can have them rebuilt with new valving (about $100-150 depending on your rapport) - you can consult and be advised by Motorsports if this is the case, so you don't have to learn all about shock dynamics before doing this or start pulling numbers out of the air.

The 7100 is another buggy shock, but with remote canister. By design, Bilsteins dont fade as there is a barrier between the oil and the gas. The remote canister on the 7100 isn't so much about controlling fade, but allowing Bilstein to take the gas away from the bottom of the shock and placing it outside of the shock, which gives the shock piston more room for travel in a given shock body length. (Rancho call this length efficiency). A 12" travel 7100 isn't much longer than a 10" 6100. Unless you specifically need the 7100 "short body", then I wouldnt spend up on them as there is no value.... well, they do look obscenely cool too I have to admit.

So what do I think.... just get the D2 long travel shocks. They're easy and wont potentially cost a bomb.

[Slunnie]

bit technical for me but they don,t behave at low speed.

Take a speed bump under 30ks 2-3 bounces to stabilize, at 50 ks stabilizes on first rebound
At 50km/h the body probably hasn't had time to react to the suspension. The shocks sound shot or under damped anyway.

[rick130]

bit technical for me but they don,t behave at low speed.

Take a speed bump under 30ks 2-3 bounces to stabilize, at 50 ks stabilizes on first rebound

Something very very wrong and not normal at all, especially for a Koni.

Who did you buy them through and what part numbers ?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

over the years there would have been quite literally thousands of Billys raced offroad without remote canisters,

Dont kid yourself, if you are going to be doing hundreds of kays along corrugations then maybe--
but just normal offroad stuff??
Follow Slunnies advice;)

[clubagreenie]

But when you can get the 6100's or 7100's for less than the local 994/995's wouldn't you rather look cool and save money?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Pure Bilstein Baddass
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/181.jpg

[rick130]

But when you can get the 6100's or 7100's for less than the local 994/995's wouldn't you rather look cool and save money?

Save money ?

You're taking a stab in the dark with generic valving, not something valved to suit your car, and as Slunnie said , you really do need to replace the spherical bearings (unless you install some seals-it seals) as they will flog out in normal day to day use.

It's false economy.

[rick130]

Pure Bilstein Baddass
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/181.jpg

There's one pair of 9100's (not Blackhawks, sadly) in Qld as we speak ready to be bolted onto a Deefer.

Looks like I might be gassing them up for the owner in a couple of weeks on a trip north ;)

Hopefully another pair or set in the works soon for another one.

[clubagreenie]

You can get them valved before they leave the states. There;ss plenty of discussion on valving plus the guys at L8 and E-shocks have sold them for plenty of rover applications and know the valving pretty well.

Ever priced heasman revalving? I can buy a new shock shipped cheaper than valving one.

[Slunnie]

Ive had Heasman revalve and modify a couple of times, I still wouldnt recommend a buggy shock over a road shock, even just the maintenance it too high in comparison. I've got both, and the road shocks have never had to come out for anything. The buggys (6100) have been out several times, not everybody minds doing that and spending each time, but most will want an effective shock in there that does its job well and can be forgotten about, which is not a buggy shock.

[rick130]

You can get them valved before they leave the states. There;ss plenty of discussion on valving plus the guys at L8 and E-shocks have sold them for plenty of rover applications and know the valving pretty well.

Ever priced heasman revalving? I can buy a new shock shipped cheaper than valving one.

Trust me, there's valving and there's valving, but if they had access to the valving code for the stock DII dampers and they can do that before leaving the US that'd be great.

I use Gary and Mick Baker in Melbourne, they really, really know their stuff and don't charge like the proverbial.
Heasmans are OTT with their pricing, and I had some re-valving issues with Quadrant too, although they used to be good to me with shock pricing.
I haven't had any Billies done a for quite a few years as I've been running Koni's and re-valve myself ;)

[clubagreenie]

I'm actually looking at the Fox remote shocks. Having purchased some koni raids and on sold them at a not insignificant profit.

[rick130]

Fox do a bolt in for Landies using urethane bushes and an adjuster for bump on the can, but they are only stock stroke. [edit] I think they might only suit Deefer/RRc type suspension, but it would still be worth checking out.

Down South Motorsports seem to be about the best on Fox pricing in the US and ship here.

I've never dealt with them but they seem to have a reasonable rep.