Same forum different vehicle......

[Nomad9]

Hi People,
Regretfully sold the D3 to a very nice family in Applecross, now moved into a 07 RRS 2.7 TDV6 (Rimini Red). Been looking for one for a while, the Rimini Red ones are really quite rare I've found and for some reason more expensive than any other colour. Maybe just because I was looking for one. Yes I know............... Really nice vehicle picking it up in NSW on Monday driving back to Perth in luxury.
Appears the only extras I can get are window tint, a dash mat and a shirt and tie (for camping), I can put the LLAMS on if nothing else.
A great pity to part with the D3, very reliable, comfortable and a great drive, just couldn't afford the move into a D4 much as I would have liked to.
So electronic brake controller in a RRS, anyone done one.............? :BigThumb:

[BobD]

Nomad,

If you are driving it on NSW rego like I did with mine you will find it is illegal as a WA owner. You need a permit to drive it in WA and that permit is only valid for SA and WA for 2 days. I don't know what you need to do in NSW! Without the permit, the vehicle is unlicensed.

I found all this out when I got back to Perth and tried to license it in WA. The car will also need to go over the pits if it is over 60,000 km. If you can, try to get the licensing sorted before you take delvery, although I don't know whether that is possible either. Hopefully you know all this and have it sorted, unlike me!

You will certainly enjoy the drive. I did Bathurst to Perth via Esperence in 3 days and had a drive around the Bathhurst race track while there. The D4 was brilliant and devoured the distance in absolute comfort. We did Bathurst to Port Pirie without refuelling and Ceduna to Norseman easily with the Brown Davis LR fuel tank.

Have a great trip.

Bob

[discotwinturbo]

Nomad,

If you are driving it on NSW rego like I did with mine you will find it is illegal as a WA owner. You need a permit to drive it in WA and that permit is only valid for SA and WA for 2 days. I don't know what you need to do in NSW! Without the permit, the vehicle is unlicensed.

I found all this out when I got back to Perth and tried to license it in WA. The car will also need to go over the pits if it is over 60,000 km. If you can, try to get the licensing sorted before you take delvery, although I don't know whether that is possible either. Hopefully you know all this and have it sorted, unlike me!

You will certainly enjoy the drive. I did Bathurst to Perth via Esperence in 3 days and had a drive around the Bathhurst race track while there. The D4 was brilliant and devoured the distance in absolute comfort. We did Bathurst to Port Pirie without refuelling and Ceduna to Norseman easily with the Brown Davis LR fuel tank.

Have a great trip.

Bob

Spot on Bob about the permit:

What is a temporary movement permit?
A temporary movement permit is a third party insurance policy issued for the purpose of allowing an unlicensed vehicle to be driven on a road only for the purposes shown below.
Temporary movement permits can be obtained for the purposes of driving or towing:
an agricultural vehicle to a farm or agricultural property and to remain on such property;
an agricultural vehicle to or from the nearest place where repairs may be made;
an unlicensed vehicle to another Jurisdiction for licensing. The client should be advised to check the validity of the WA temporary movement permit in other Jurisdictions;
a tractor for display or demonstration to and from an agricultural or industrial field day;
XXXX a vehicle currently licensed in another Jurisdiction that has been purchased by a resident of Western Australia;
a vehicle to a place of repair with the intention of licensing the vehicle;
a vehicle for display or demonstration to the royal and country agricultural shows; and/or
a vehicle to a Vehicle Examination Centre for inspection.

[Nomad9]

Hi Bob,
I've bought a couple of vehicles back from over East, the first one was the steepest learning curve. Understand the pits and stamp duty all I've come to expect. The yard I'm buying from is organising the permit for me, legally apparently they have to. This is the first one from a yard and has been a bit different and quite well organised. The yard I'm dealing with have been excellent, looked after me very well, impressed to say the least.
I have business in Melbourne on the way back, plus I'm going to call in to see the in-laws if I have enough time.
Thanks for the hints and tips.

[Redback]

What a load of bureacratic bull****, is there something special about WA:eek:

In NSW you can drive for 3mths on interstate rego before you need to change it.

Unbelievable, never heard anything so rediculous:eek:

Baz.

[discotwinturbo]

What a load of bureacratic bull****, is there something special about WA:eek:

In NSW you can drive for 3mths on interstate rego before you need to change it.

Unbelievable, never heard anything so rediculous:eek:

Baz.

We just like to put a tax on anything and everything. Besides who else is going to look after the funding requirements of the rest of Australia if we don't tax WA residents more ? ;-)

We can drive 3 months too....but that only applies if you moved to WA and you and the car are licensed in the previous state.

Brett....

[BobD]

Yes, Brett is correct. You can drive your car interstate OK but when you buy it you can't register it in NSW because you are from interstate and you can't register it in WA until you get it here. It is a catch 22 situation that I certainly didn't expect when I bought mine. Hence the permit provision to ensure the car has third party insurance.

I bought my car from Trivett in Parramatta and they had no idea about permits etc and didn't provide any help in this regard. They were great to deal with but it would have been really good if they organised the permits properly. Luckily I didn't crash or anything while I was uninsured. Just a trap for young players that Nomad9 has properly under control hopefully.

Nomad, I'm not sure how you can go visiting and carry out business on the permit. There is a time limit and they are specifically to get the car to a licensing centre only, not to allow you to drive around.

For future reference, do you know what permits you need to drive from Sydney to Perth? It would be good if you could post the requirements when you get back so that we can all learn. I only know about the WA permit, which is for 2 days and covers SA and WA as I said.

Bob

[Nick S]

Hmmm so the 4 years I lived in WA and never bothered to change from Vic to WA rego on the RRC was a bit wrong then. Got asked once by the WA police and I said I was there on holidays (long holidays!)

[BobD]

Nick, your car was registered in your name in Vctoria so no insurance problem. We are talking about buying a car, which then needs to be transferred to your name. This is a different issue.

Bob

[Glynhouse]

I have 1 car (D3) and trailer registered in Qld, my license is S.A. My van is registered in S.A.
As far ask I know all legal and above board ?

I think the law says that once I move to Qld (have a house there & an address in S.A.) I have 6 weeks to get a Qld license ?
Last year spent less time in Qld than anywhere . Am I supposed to change license every 6 weeks ? ? Allthough I live ? In Qld, my business address and accounts are all done in S.A.

DD

[discotwinturbo]

Nick, your car was registered in your name in Vctoria so no insurance problem. We are talking about buying a car, which then needs to be transferred to your name. This is a different issue.

Bob

Different issue as you say Bob, but does Nick have insurance ? From reading the department for transport website in WA, it appears that insurance on interstate vehicles is void in WA unless only here for 3 months or less. Something Nick may need to check out for himself.
Just a thought.
Should be one insurance for the one country....should be one rego too I reckon.
Brett....

[Nick S]

Difference issue as you say Bob, but does Nick have insurance ? From reading the department for transport website in WA, it appears that insurance on interstate vehicles is void in WA unless only here for 3 months or less. Something Nick may need to check out for himself.
Just a thought.
Should be one insurance for the one country....should be one rego too I reckon.
Brett....

Thanks Bob & Brett
back in Vic now so all OK. I agree though that we should have one national insurance and rego system, in fact the whole federated system of Govt with states behaving like little countries is a bit crazy and we end up with three levels of Govt.
Nick

[Nomad9]

Hi People,
When I bought a vehicle in SA, I registered it in my name and paid the stamp duty in SA at a local post office then drove around WA for three months on the SA rego, took the vehicle over the pits and paid the pits fee only and got my WA plates.
When I bought this vehicle in NSW, the yard has got me a five day permit (somehow) and I've insured the vehicle with my insurance company in WA on the NSW plates fully comp. I know about not using the vehicle for business as far as they are concerned I'm driving straight back via Melbourne where I'm going to stay overnight at the outlaws.
When I bought the D3 back I was stopped at Mildura at an RBT cop stop, I showed them my insurance and the receipt for the vehicle, they didn't seem to phased and commented that I was a fair way from home and bid me a fond fair-well.
I'll know better when I get to the yard on Monday. One thing I always do is insure the vehicle fully comp and not rely on the legality of the third party insurance.

[Piddler]

What a load of bureacratic bull****, is there something special about WA:eek:

In NSW you can drive for 3mths on interstate rego before you need to change it.

Unbelievable, never heard anything so rediculous:eek:

Baz.

Agree same here in Tassie as NSW

[BobD]

Nomad,

I guess you are on your way across the Nullabor or home by now so I hope you are enjoying / have enjoyed the trip. I really enjoyed my three day trip from Sydney to Perth with my new (second hand) D4. I would do it again tomorrow if I had the opportunity.

Bob

[Nomad9]

Hi Bob,
Yeap I'm back, when I went to pick up the vehicle the yard I bought the vehicle from told me they couldn't get a permit because I was a West Australian licensed driver, for once in my life I was special, but for all the wrong reasons. The car is what I have been looking for, and more, even at the right price so there was no way I was walking away and flying back.
Trucking back was an option but like yourself I sort of enjoy the drive, would have been better if my wife had been with me. 4 CD's become pretty monotonous after a while........
I had an uneventful trip back apart from a bit of fun with two eight meter wide houses going through Port Augusta, I got caught at the traffic lights with a traffic escort cop next to me and a fire engine behind me, the trucks were having a lot of trouble negotiating the lights so I was forced to jump a red light to let the fire engine past, only realised when I was in the middle of the junction the traffic lights had those combination cameras on them, became apparent when they started flashing, I doubt there will be any repercussions from this due to the circumstances, oh and it was raining........... But at the time a lot of other stuff goes through your mind.
Thankfully the yard allowed me to keep the plates and the license sticker which doesn't make you look as obvious driving an unplated vehicle. I think I was sort of semi legal in NSW, in Victoria and South Australia I doubt it and in WA I had a moving permit for two days, this is only to move the vehicle to a licencing centre or for repairs, repairs in Eucla I think is stretching this a bit.
I couldn't find a legal way to drive a purchased vehicle in any other state than my own without trucking the vehicle.
When I bought the vehicle in the yard in NSW I also had to sign a declaration that I was buying an unregistered vehicle which I suppose also puts the legality of driving in NSW into question.
What I did do was insure the vehicle with fully comprehensive insurance, the insurance company didn't have any problem doing this, had I had to make a claim and I signed a declaration to say I was knowingly driving an unregistered vehicle I'm sure they would have used this as a "get out of jail free" card.
Well it is all a muted conversation now I'm back safely and hopefully infringement free, to me it seems ridiculous that you can't figure this out in a simple way. I wonder how these camper hire companies go hiring out a NSW registered camper van to a foreigner in WA, it seems to work.........
Anyway finally, the vehicle drove back like a dream, managed 11.1 litres per hundred for the entire trip and managed an average speed of 93.1 klm/hr. The people I dealt with in Kingsgrove were excellent to deal with, the vehicles were well priced, well optioned and the staff were really friendly, I had two problems these were sorted instantly with no question and they sent me out of the door with a full tank of diesel.
Anybody interested they had a very nice 4.4 sport, also a nice 4.2 supercharged Sport and a couple of well priced RR Vogues. I suspect the 4.2 supercharged Sport would have been a wild ride back to Perth, it was tempting..........

[BobD]

Welcome back Nomad. Glad the car lived up to expectations, as did ours. I had my wife and 17 year old son with me on my drive back, which made it like a quick holiday but added greatly to the cost.

At least you have confirmed that it is difficult, if not impossible, to legally drive a vehicle back to WA from Sydney. If I do it again it will be trucked, which is cheaper anyway but nowhere near as much fun.

My dealer did not know anything about licensing problems and we just drove on the NSW plates with a proof of purchase document thinking it was legal until we completed the transfer, as it is if you buy in the same state as you are licensed in.

Bob

[Nomad9]

Hi Bob,
My wife and I have done the trip together and tagged my then 16 year old along for the ride. The legality of the buy has only come to light doing the purchase through a dealer, I've only ever bought privately in the past so ignorance of what was right and wrong could be put down to naivety, saying that being of the age I am I should know better, possibly the same era as yourself.
When I bought in SA I did the transfer and paid my stamp duty in SA at a local post office and then drove around on the SA plates in WA until the rego ran out three months later. I didn't get stopped or commit any offences so I didn't test the system out. I've always had the vehicle insured fully comp, however as mentioned in an earlier post I've never put this to the test thankfully.
I'm booking the vehicle in over the pits this week hopefully and get my own plates back. Then all back to normal.
Like yourself I'm getting to the point that I think trucking the vehicle back is the way to go from a stress point of view, that is unless there is a way to do this without breaking what appears to be a really hard and bureaucratic system to work within. I have no problem buying permits I'm not trying to avoid this, I accept I have to pay something to cover what I do.

Marty