Is this the DEFENDER Replacement ???

[Drover]

Okay it may not be the official version but way better than the DC100.

Check this thread from "Piston Heads", I found on Defener2....

PistonHeads Headlines - Unofficial Defender concept keeps it simple (http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp'storyId=25731)

[PAT303]

I wouldn't buy one,it looks like a twenty year old Bronco. Pat

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Okay it may not be the official version but way better than the DC100.

Check this thread from "Piston Heads", I found on Defener2....Is it Defender 2 or Defender 5 or Series 13?

[DeanoH]

Is it Defender 2 or Defender 5 or Series 13?

It's a POS.:p

A brainchild of some tosser called Dezyn ? or something. Sounds like a brand of toothpaste. :angel:

Not to be taken seriously, a bit like the name 'Dezyn Smith' .

Deano:)

[Drover]

Is it Defender 2 or Defender 5 or Series 13?

"Defender2" is the UK version of AULRO

Defender2 - Index (http://www.defender2.net/forum/)

[rijidij]

Looks like a cross between a Suzuki Sierra and a Nissan MQ Patrol........

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/401.jpg

[goingbush]

I wouldn't buy one,it looks like a twenty year old Bronco. Pat

It actually looks like the new Bronco, but better. I like it, agreed way better than the DC100

I can't keep up with Landrover, are they still in bed with Ford ??

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/400.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/289.jpg

[jimb]

Looks exactly like the Toyota fj40 remake to me.


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I am here: Google Maps

[JDNSW]

I can't keep up with Landrover, are they still in bed with Ford ??

No. Now owned by Tata. Have been for a few years, and seem to be doing a lot better than under Ford.

John

[isuzurover]

Reminds me of an IH scout more than a landie:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/391.jpg

Either way it is Fugly (but so are D3s/D4s and all rangies ever made - ducking for cover)

[goingbush]

It should hold its value better than a Scout
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/390.jpg


Either way it is Fugly (but so are D3s/D4s and all rangies ever made - ducking for cover)
What about the D1/D2 ? I reckon they are the ugliest 4x4 ever, Way more so than any RR or D3/4 (I'm ducking too)

[Drover]

No. Now owned by Tata. Have been for a few years, and seem to be doing a lot better than under Ford.

John


There is still somthing going on with Ford. They at least have an engine deal with Ford.

TDCI in the Defenders

TDV6 in the Disco's and RRS

Both engines built-developed-shared during Fords ownership and still today......

[chuckbeasley]

I wouldn't buy one,it looks like a twenty year old Bronco. Pat

PERHAPS IT WONT LOOK LIKE A BRONCO if you saw other pics,,, most cars will resemblehttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/297.jpg another one in certain camera angles thats all

[chuckbeasley]

It's a POS.:p

A brainchild of some tosser called Dezyn ? or something. Sounds like a brand of toothpaste. :angel:

Not to be taken seriously, a bit like the name 'Dezyn Smith' .

Deano:)
no need to call this guy a tosser ,,, he has only designed a very challenging concept ,, not robbed a womans hand bag ,, !!

this guy is an engineer working in the design industry for 20 years ,, it took him a whole year to develop this concept , see more pics of this on face book and trust me ,, ull be impressed,,
Untitled Album | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=283636688389410&set=a.283594078393671.68751.278975658855513&type=3&theater)http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=283636688389410&set=a.283594078393671.68751.278975658855513&type=3&theater

[chuckbeasley]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/


this is the face book page ,, guys this looks like a propper defender and we should support this ,, miles better than the official JLR concept

[chuckbeasley]

really,, u need to see more pics
Untitled Album | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=283636688389410&set=a.283594078393671.68751.278975658855513&type=3&theater)

[JDNSW]

There is still somthing going on with Ford. They at least have an engine deal with Ford.

TDCI in the Defenders

TDV6 in the Disco's and RRS

Both engines built-developed-shared during Fords ownership and still today......

Both engines are, as you say Ford/Peugot engines, and are fitted to a wide variety of cars. The engine deal would have been part of the sales agreement, beneficial to both companies - Ford can continue to sell more engines, Tata does not have to immediately find/design/build replacements. Sharing of engines is widespread throughout the industry today, a very different situation compared to fifty, or even thirty, years ago.

John

[goingbush]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/


this is the face book page ,, guys this looks like a propper defender and we should support this ,, miles better than the official JLR concept

If the choice was a DC100 or the Dezyn design I'd buy one.
so long as it had Live axles.


and then there is this, a few subtle changes like flat sides and curved guard tops instead of angled , a SVX front and the Bronco suddenly looks like a LandRover. (I like that Ford even uses vents under the windscreen )

2015 Defender ??
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

2012 Bronco
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/05/289.jpg

[Drover]

2015 Defender ??
http://www.goingbush.com/landy/2015defender.jpg



Nice job on the rendering.

This looks the goods, if the running gear is on spec, this "look" would make great replacement for the current D'fer

[noogie]

http://http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=283636688389410&set=a.283594078393671.68751.278975658855513&type=3&theater


this is the face book page ,, guys this looks like a propper defender and we should support this ,, miles better than the official JLR concept

Gotta agree.

I really like the look of these two cars.
Realistically LR has to move on with the exsisting design if the Deefer is to survive commercially. Don't get me wrong, I love the current design, but whatever replaces it has to have live axles or I ain't interested.

We can leave the IFS for the rangies and disco.
Just leave the deefers alone.

[goingbush]

I wouldn't buy one,it looks like a twenty year old Bronco. Pat

any opinion on the rebadged Bronco now ?

(Ive obviously got far too much time on my hands,)

[noogie]

any opinion on the rebadged Bronco now ?

I don't mind it at all.
Looks aren't too far off a deefer & looks longer than a 90.
Not sure how good it would look as a wagon.

Ifs would put me right of it though!

[101RRS]

I wouldn't buy one,it looks like a twenty year old Bronco. Pat

More like a 50 yo one.

Garry

[MTB]

any opinion on the rebadged Bronco now ?

Good work goingbush, I would be a lot more likely to take a serious look at yours than the DC100 (just noticed you even moved the steering wheel :) )

[frantic]

I wonder what either this or the official LR defender concept would look like with a series style bonnet/ front end. Leave lights and guards where they are and move grille and bonnet back 6-8 inches with modern styling it would make an ideal winch mounting point just like the old series landies:D

[goingbush]

I need to get a real job

http://www.goingbush.com/landy/2015defender110.jpg

[Drover]

Not sure about a real job, but a new job as LR design tech sound about right to me.

Another great effort - This should be the new D'fer, I'm loving it:D

[goingbush]

I wonder what either this or the official LR defender concept would look like with a series style bonnet/ front end. Leave lights and guards where they are and move grille and bonnet back 6-8 inches with modern styling it would make an ideal winch mounting point just like the old series landies:D

Hmm, the retro look hey, as if the Defender isn't retro enough already.
I not sure this is going to go over well.

wasted half an hour on this, NQR but might as well post it

http://goingbush.com/landy/2015retro.jpg

[DT-P38]

Nice one GoingBush!

[jakeslouw]

Sorry to say this, but I've decided this is my next new 4x4:

The Rubicon just ticks all the boxes.

[Drover]

Sorry to say this, but I've decided this is my next new 4x4:

The Rubicon just ticks all the boxes.

Here you go......don't be sorry

Jeep Forum - Jeep Enthusiast Network (http://www.jeepforum.com/)

[jakeslouw]

Here you go......don't be sorry

Jeep Forum - Jeep Enthusiast Network (http://www.jeepforum.com/)


Heh heh yeah I suppose I deserve that.

The 110 V8 County will stay in my driveway though!

But it will get a bigger heart soon.

[goingbush]

Sorry to say this, but I've decided this is my next new 4x4:

The Rubicon just ticks all the boxes.


I know its not a Rubicon, but ...

Land Rover vs Jeep Wrangler - YouTube

[jakeslouw]

Oh come on, be fair.

A $40,000 Sahara against a $85,000 Disco 4? A Sahara with no lockers or TC against Disco 4?

Why not a Sahara against a 130 Puma model or any of the non-TC Defenders? No TC, no lockers? Fairer fight?

Sheesh guys, let's compare apples to apples and not apples to pears.

[Didge]

Despite loving my old Def and secretly lusting after a Disco 4 myself, I reckon the Jeep driver in the video probably had more fun. Open top, wind in his hair, bit of wheel spin, up for a challenge compared to what looks as exciting as a school drop off trip in the disco. As others have said, spend $2K on lockers and $18K on portals and the Jeep will go anywhere

[goingbush]

Oh come on, be fair.

A $40,000 Sahara against a $85,000 Disco 4? A Sahara with no lockers or TC against Disco 4?


Hang on , this is a Landrover community, surely you expected this.

OK fine how about a $17000 Rubicon vs a $3000 Suzuki

Jeep
$17k Jeep Rubicon vs. $3k Samurai Part 1 badlands offroad mud mafia illinois - YouTube

Suzuki
$17k Jeep Rubicon vs. $3k Samurai Part 2 badlands offroad mud mafia illinois - YouTube

[Drew90]

[QUOTE=goingbush;1693800]Hang on , this is a Landrover community, surely you expected this.

OK fine how about a $17000 Rubicon vs a $3000 Suzuki

Jeep
$17k Jeep Rubicon vs. $3k Samurai Part 1 badlands offroad mud mafia illinois - YouTube

It would help if the guy could drive

[goingbush]

It would help if the guy could drive

Too true, pity now with all those acronyms they build into 4x4's nowadays a modern 4x4 can make any driver look good.

In ye olde days of Landrovering it was all up to the driver & vehicle prep not the smarts !!

As for the original topic
I just found this whilst googling

Someone else has already visited the Bronco / Defender idea, but I like the SVX front rather than the Disco front

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

[PAT303]

Sorry to say this, but I've decided this is my next new 4x4:

The Rubicon just ticks all the boxes.

Same here,if I couldn't have a deefa it'll be a rubicon,a mate of mine has one,they need money spent on them,a bit actually but a good bit of gear. Pat

[goingbush]

Sorry to say this, but I've decided this is my next new 4x4:

The Rubicon just ticks all the boxes.

Ok Jake, can you help me out a bit.
I've had a look on the Jeep Australia website.

Despite all the perochialism the Jeep looks ok, ingore my Jeep ignorance (even tho I was in the Cross Country Jeep Club for a while) correct me if I'm wrong but a Rubicon is petrol only, ( I will only consider a diesel)
so the only option seems Diesel Wrangler Unlimited Sport with Renegade pack ($48,576). its cheaper than the Petrol Rubicon ($49,601), so my question is whats the Rubicon got that the Sport dosent, I can't find the info anywhere on the Jeep site.

I can see Landrover customers going there rather than buying Jap if the next defender has IFS.

[dullbird]

Ok Jake, can you help me out a bit.
I've had a look on the Jeep Australia website.

Despite all the perochialism the Jeep looks ok, ingore my Jeep ignorance (even tho I was in the Cross Country Jeep Club for a while) correct me if I'm wrong but a Rubicon is petrol only, ( I will only consider a diesel)
so the only option seems Diesel Wrangler Unlimited Sport with Renegade pack ($48,576). its cheaper than the Petrol Rubicon ($49,601), so my question is whats the Rubicon got that the Sport dosent, I can't find the info anywhere on the Jeep site.


I can see Landrover customers going there rather than buying Jap if the next defender has IFS.

Not all some of us embrace new things:)..

[jakeslouw]

Ok Jake, can you help me out a bit.
I've had a look on the Jeep Australia website.

Despite all the perochialism the Jeep looks ok, ingore my Jeep ignorance (even tho I was in the Cross Country Jeep Club for a while) correct me if I'm wrong but a Rubicon is petrol only, ( I will only consider a diesel)
so the only option seems Diesel Wrangler Unlimited Sport with Renegade pack ($48,576). its cheaper than the Petrol Rubicon ($49,601), so my question is whats the Rubicon got that the Sport dosent, I can't find the info anywhere on the Jeep site.

I can see Landrover customers going there rather than buying Jap if the next defender has IFS.

jeez mate I'm not a Jeep boffin either!

Ummm as far as I know, the Rubi offers an electronic disconnect sway bar, electric lockers front and back, and lastly an ultra low t-case low-range gear. More info on the US site I reckon.
And yes, no CRD for the Rubicon. Maybe the 3.0 TDV6 later, but no announcements yet.

The Unlimited Diesel with the Renegade Pack might be exactly where you need to be.

[jakeslouw]

It would help if the guy could drive

Absolutely. I think the Coors was confounding the few brain-cells in attendance.

The Zook picked the right line.

[101 Ron]

Ok Jake, can you help me out a bit.
I've had a look on the Jeep Australia website.

Despite all the perochialism the Jeep looks ok, ingore my Jeep ignorance (even tho I was in the Cross Country Jeep Club for a while) correct me if I'm wrong but a Rubicon is petrol only, ( I will only consider a diesel)
so the only option seems Diesel Wrangler Unlimited Sport with Renegade pack ($48,576). its cheaper than the Petrol Rubicon ($49,601), so my question is whats the Rubicon got that the Sport dosent, I can't find the info anywhere on the Jeep site.

I can see Landrover customers going there rather than buying Jap if the next defender has IFS.

In the drive way my missus has a 2011 rubicon.
Rubicon has much extra over the wranger and sport.
Bigger tyres and wheels.
Much lower low range gearing....78 to 1 in first.
Bigger, stronger Dana diff in front.
Factory sway bar disconnect, switch operated.
Front and rear electric diff locks.
It has other small improvements for real off road use.
It all works very well and gets 12litres per 100km loaded at 100 kph.
2012 has the newer penhouse motor fitted with slightly improved encomony and 25% increase in power..........it is not gustless with the older. 3.8 motor.
The motor in ours has proven to be able to ford creeks to the top edge of the bonnet for short periods without snorkel.
Do not buy the diesel with manual as the clutch is very poor lasting and expensive dual mass type.
Weakness are poor belly clearance with standard tyres and supension.
Very little room inside the vehicle.
Handling could be better .
When towing 1.5 tonnes and loaded vehicle as well the 3.8 motor will chew fuel and the standard fuel tank is nothing special in size.
It has been very , very reliable and the electronics is straight forward for a up to date vehicle......it does use a Canbus dashboard etc.
The vehicle has a very large range of USA lift/supension kits advailible.

PS with a bit of trouble it is still possible to drive around with the windscreen down, which is something you cannot do with a Landover any more.

[chuck]

I went on a trip around the back of the Thompson Dam with a Rubicon.

Very impressed with its capability although let down by fuel usage & capacity.

Where every one seemed to be lifting wheels the Rubicon had all four wheels on the ground.

This was the only vehicle that had to carry fuel.

On a couple of hard sections the only vehicles to get thru were the Rubicon & a highly modified fender.

Cheers

Chuck

[jasonedu]

There is also the 7 ltr Hemi Jeep. It sounds sweet. No idea if this is custom or something you can order but what a beast.

7lt Hemi JK Jeep and Red 110 Defender Glass House Mountains Trip 31 Oct 2009 - YouTube

Jeep drivers are like Defender owners. I have a soft spot for them because they are not driving a toyota or nissan.

[Bush65]

Not all some of us embrace new things:)..
Nothing new about IFS!

However the lack of wheel travel and ground clearance during articulation, etc. are handicaps for the others.

[dullbird]

Nothing new about IFS!

However the lack of wheel travel and ground clearance during articulation, etc. are handicaps for the others.

I know ifs isn't new but anything new done to a car that hasn't changed much over 60 years is.

If the new defender was placed on a disco chassis ( not saying it will be but it has been romoured before) then I really don't see what the handicap is other than you don't have the freedom to play with suspension.

The discovery is an extremely capable off roader it does lift wheels but it still gets there.

If I had the money I would ditch my defender in a heartbeat and have a D4

I don't personally see a great deal of difference between the lack of travel of IFS and people who are now choosing to retain there springs but that could just be my lack of understanding I appreciate you can change your rates in a retained set though

[Bush65]

I know ifs isn't new but anything new done to a car that hasn't changed much over 60 years is.

If the new defender was placed on a disco chassis ( not saying it will be but it has been romoured before) then I really don't see what the handicap is other than you don't have the freedom to play with suspension.

The discovery is an extremely capable off roader it does lift wheels but it still gets there.

If I had the money I would ditch my defender in a heartbeat and have a D4

I don't personally see a great deal of difference between the lack of travel of IFS and people who are now choosing to retain there springs but that could just be my lack of understanding I appreciate you can change your rates in a retained set though
I still look at posts about Defender upgrades, but have stopped worrying about it. I remember seeing some time ago that a L.R. boss dismissed using the Disco platform because it wouldn't suit all of the variations.

Disco III and IV suit some people, but not others, just like IFS, IRS, and rigid axles F&R.

Unless the coils are excessively stiff or short, retained springs articulate very well - they force the front radius arm suspension to articulate more than it does with un-retained or dislocating springs. They provide better balanced (front to rear) articulation and greater stability. With longer travel shocks, retained springs can extend beyond their free height (go into tension).

IMHO well set-up retained springs on rigid axles will well and truly articulate more than disco III or IV and be more stable/safer on difficult obstacles.

The allowable operating angles of cv's at each end of the short half shafts of independent suspension limit their practical articulation.

No doubt there are pro's and con's of the different types, which suits people best depends on their needs, and that is why I responded to your post, which seemed to me to me to be putting down others who were simply stating their preference.

[dullbird]

I wasn't putting anyone down John (you have read in to that way to much) the comment was that defender drivers were more likely to go to jeep if the defender came out with IFS, merely pointing out that is not the case some people will happily embrace the IFS, simply stating my own preference! I dont think there is anything wrong with that:)

interesting read on the disco and retained point of view to thanks :)