Anybody used one of these?

[Nomad9]

Hi Forumites,
Has anyone bought and used one of these magic boxes? Any fedback, good or bad..........

This is a listing for a C.R. Tech diesel tuning box, to fit Land Rover TD4, TDV6, SDV6 and ED4 engines.

We have a limited number of these available.

These are high quality units manufactured by Bluespark Automotive in the UK under their C.R. Tech brand, not to be confused with low quality foreign products available on eBay. Our feedback speaks for itself:
"Better throttle response and torque. Very happy with the results"
"fantastic item, now doing extra 12 mpg and goes like a rocket, best thing ever."
"Does exactly what it claims to. Fast delivery. Super-clear instructions, Thanks"
"Wish I'd got one sooner; big difference to performance - good instructions too"
"Super item. Very co-operative, excellent help and support. Highly Recommended."

These normally retail at £150, see Bluespark Automotive Diesel Chips | Improve Power and MPG with our Tuning Boxes (http://www.bluesparkautomotive.com) for more information.

Comes with original (OEM) connectors, and detailed fitting instructions.
Digital control
Fully adjustable map curve
Large power gains possible
Safer overtaking
Over 10% MPG improvements possible.
Fully encapsulated to IP65 rating, protecting against ingress of water, dust or other contaminants, protecting the product in an under bonnet environment.
Unit uses only automotive connectors, no unsealed PC connectors are used, protecting against corrosion
28 day money back guarantee if you are not satisfied with the product

They are on Ebay at the moment, seems like a lot better that the $1000+ you are usually up for, is this to good to be true? :confused:

[Tombie]

Its a plug-in...

Avoid... Avoid... Avoid.... ;)

[Blknight.aus]

maaaate, Have I got a deal for you....

I've just got my hands on a bunch of hiclones

[oldsalt]

Buy two and get a free bottle of snake oil .... :p

[scarry]

Ha Ha

How could you risk that on an engine worth 20K+

On the other hand why don't you try one & let us know how you go?:angel:

[Nomad9]

Hi Scarry,
Aren't they all plug in? The last one I bought for my D3 was a plug in, I had it on the engine for 3 years, made a difference in all the right places and had nine settings. I must admit it did seem really cheap for what it promised. What other options are there apart from plug in?

[Nomad9]

Hi Scarry,
yea right!!!!!!!!!

[101RRS]

The proper ones remap the original ECU - this remap can normally be removed by computer when the car goes in for serviceing (if they do a software upgrade the map can be wiped). What you may have had before was most likely an original ECU that had been remapped hence the thought it was a plug in module.

This one looks like it is a piggy back module which fools the ECU into making adjustments - to be avoided.

You would be better with a remap from here http://bellautoservices.co.uk/ proven and specifically designed for our engines.

Garry

[TerryO]

Piggy back fuel metering devices etc can and often do work quite well in many different applications, so they aren't all bad.

In motorcycle production based road racing (which is basically what Australian domestic Superbike racing is) in actual fact adjustable piggy back units are often preferred to rewritten ECU's, which to date in most cases haven't proven to be that good or anywhere near as reliable

I'm not sayng this one is good though as I don't know if it is. I'm just saying don't write off all piggy back plug in units.

cheers,
Terry

[Nomad9]

Hi Garry,
How do I know if my ECU has the right mapping? The most recent one? Can I just drive into a LR agent and ask them to check and update as required? Do LR agents do this as part of a normal service? If I went in for a wheel alignment which I'm going to do shortly can I just tag this on as an extra thing to do?

[Tombie]

TerrO

You're not referring to Power Commanders I hope!

;)

Unreliable....

And only used on an engine that's fully rebuilt shortly thereafter!

[TerryO]

TerrO

You're not referring to Power Commanders I hope!

;)

Unreliable....

And only used on an engine that's fully rebuilt shortly thereafter!


Actually the Power Commander is one of a number of fuel metering devices that work very well at what they are designed to do, which is adjust fuel / air mixture levels. Which is importent for engine life especially when an aftermarket exhaust is fitted.

I have never heard of one causing an engine failure, would it be possibe? Maybe but chances are other things have also been done to cause issues.

If there was a problem with them then they wouldn't be so popular in racing.

cheers,
Terry

[101RRS]

Hi Garry,
How do I know if my ECU has the right mapping? The most recent one? Can I just drive into a LR agent and ask them to check and update as required? Do LR agents do this as part of a normal service? If I went in for a wheel alignment which I'm going to do shortly can I just tag this on as an extra thing to do?

I have no idea - that is why I feel it is best to buy something specific to you vehicle.

The BAS version that I mentioned allows you to remove your map (via computer) and return it to original when you send your car in for service and when you car comes back to put you improved map back in.

As far as general software updates for your car goes - when the car is serviced if there is an update on what they have worked on eg gearbox then that will be done. If you just take the car in and ask for updates I believe most dealers will charge - certainly my dealer does.

Garry

[Tombie]

Actually the Power Commander is one of a number of fuel metering devices that work very well at what they are designed to do, which is adjust fuel / air mixture levels. Which is importent for engine life especially when an aftermarket exhaust is fitted.

I have never heard of one causing an engine failure, would it be possibe? Maybe but chances are other things have also been done to cause issues.

If there was a problem with them then they wouldn't be so popular in racing.

cheers,
Terry

I know of 3 separate units in separate bikes failing and pumping a cylinder full of fuel. And another 10 or so others that have failed during rides requiring the bikes to have the units removed to even run.

Dynojets products were the leaders but are now lagging far behind.

More and more bikes now have EPROM based ECUs and flash or real time tuning are becoming far more popular on newer bikes.

[Tombie]

If the intercept box faults / fails and the cylinders run mid-fueled (lean for petrol / too rich for diesel) then extensive engine failure can result.

Even a loose connection could do it.

On diesels, very few bother to adjust timing they just punch in more juice.

[TerryO]

I know of 3 separate units in separate bikes failing and pumping a cylinder full of fuel. And another 10 or so others that have failed during rides requiring the bikes to have the units removed to even run.

Dynojets products were the leaders but are now lagging far behind.

More and more bikes now have EPROM based ECUs and flash or real time tuning are becoming far more popular on newer bikes.


As previously said a Power Commander is a fuel metering device, on its own it doesn't adjust ignition unless you bolt on other plug in's.

There are very few people in Australia who know how to truly reflash ECU's properly with decent improved results and many of the imported upgrades especially from the US don't do what they claim.

When it comes to motorcycles there is lots and lots of BS out there about how big potential power improvements are when ECU's are reflashed, as for using fuel metering devices to richen them up a bit because from the factory they come running way to lean well that has proven to not only improve performance but also engine life.

cheers,
Terry