Disco 2 TD5 vs Disco 2 TD5 updated

[Gullible]

Was there really much difference between the original TD5 and the updated version or was it just the headlights and re-introduction of the central diff lock?

Is the reliability the same?

Performance?

Fuel economy?

Electric wizardry?

[Yorkie]

according to d2a owners about eleventy billion differences and deserve their own forum, just ask stevo68! ;):D
but yes many differences most notably the cdl reinstalled but many others, search on here it has been mentioned before.
if your looking to buy would try for a d2a over the d2 if you can find a good one but mainly just because they newer. :)

[Lez]

I think the timing belt has changed to timing chain & a oil cooler (silver thing across the front of the engine :confused:) & a few small things like fuel cap release is on the right side .

Les

[OffTrack]

Quite a bit more was changed but it was more a case of refining what was there rather than major changes.

Some of these changes included:
Revised front hub carriers with caster changes
Brake master cylinder and calipers for improved pedal feel
Altered rear suspension geometry
Altered spring and shocker rates
Revised SLABS ECU
Revised ACE ECU



Cheers
Paul

[Basil135]

And dont forget...

Larger intercooler
Different FPR

[Nicky]

And dont forget...

Larger intercooler
Different FPR

What is "FPR"?

[Banjo_pluker]

I have owned both, stupidly an 2003 model (D2a) and then a D2.

I am not a mechanic but noticed or rather missed a few refined items like silly little things such as the AC would go in half degrees, it would take 2 pushes in the D2a to go up or down. This was annoying until I owned a D2 and found that middle degree was needed,

if looking at buying I would only look at D2a as they seemed more refined and they are newer

[OffTrack]

And dont forget...

Larger intercooler
Different FPR

The the Fuel pressure regulator changes aren't a D2/D2a difference.

The change of FPR relates to the change to a EU3 compliant version of the Td5 motor that occurred at the start of 2002 Model Year (or more precisely from VIN 2A736340).

While there are lots of comments on the D2a intercooler, Microcat lists only 2 part numbers for the Td5 Intercooler - with a change over between parts at VIN 1A711530. So perhaps LR changed the part without revising the part number? The "D2a" intercoolers have a non-LR part number of BTP5649 and judging by european wrecking sites were fitted to MY02 vehicles also. Bundalene posted pics of a BTP5649 radiator with a manufacture date of 08/02/02 so it is fairly likely these were fitted to pre-facelift D2's.

cheers
Paul

[Landover]

Yes there are differences but are they really worth around $11000+ difference in price. It depends what you want it for. For me using it as and off roader I prefer the money in my pocket for mods.

[slug_burner]

A change occurred in the programming of the ecu somewhere along the line as the earlier TD5s were a bit jumpy in low range. In the lower gears when walking the car over something the ecu would be a little rough and fuel the thing up such that it was difficult to be smooth.

Then there is the plastic dowels in the heads in the earlier ones as well as something with the oil pump bolt or something else that can result in loss of lube.

[Gullible]

Hmm,
I'm looking at a 2000 TD5 with 160k used for school runs and land rover serviced last 18 months or,
a 2002 (updated) TD5 with 200k not sure on service history.

The 2000 is within the price range of SWMBO, the 2002 is a few grand more......

decisions, decisions, decisions.

[Psimpson7]

I think the timing belt has changed to timing chain

Les

All TD5's have a timing chain, although they are different on the early and late engines.

NONE have a belt.

[Yorkie]

Hmm,
I'm looking at a 2000 TD5 with 160k used for school runs and land rover serviced last 18 months or,
a 2002 (updated) TD5 with 200k not sure on service history.

The 2000 is within the price range of SWMBO, the 2002 is a few grand more......

decisions, decisions, decisions.

the 2000 may not have the cdl linkage, it may have the transfer case internals though so check that. :)

[OffTrack]

the 2000 may not have the cdl linkage, it may have the transfer case internals though so check that. :)

The CDL internals were dropped in the last few months 2001MY production. Any D2 built before about April 2001 will have the internals unless the transfer box has been replaced with one missing the internals.

I'd be leaning to the 2000 - the 160K kms and dealer service for the last 18 months trump 200K km and a slightly newer model. The small number of changes in the 2002MY aren't anything to write home about.

The dealer should be sticking to the book services, and is more likely to pick up on faults. It's worth calling the service manager at the place it was serviced and see what they can tell you about work done and any outstanding issues.

However, 3A or 2003MY production began in early May 2002 and a 3A with 200K Km could be worthwhile if it passes inspection. One that has been used as a tow vehicle could well be an expensive proposition.

cheers
Paul

[FatBob]

Is the extra spend worth it? It depends on what you are comparing too. In my case up until very recently I was advertising my 2004 D2a for sale on the forum intending to trade up to a D3. I quickly realised that in order to get what I was looking for I would need another 20 grand (for a TDV6) which doesn't make sense for me right now, so I've decided to keep it as it's a good one.

I believe many D2a owners stick with these vehicles on the same basis in that they are in my opinion better than earlier D2's (I previously owned a 2001 model) and offer a bridge to the D3 albeit a tenuous one (D3's being more than significantly better again of course).

In summary, the development cycle over the life of the D2 certainly improved the car to the extent that a D2a when compared to a D2 is a better car in a number of ways, it's a good proposition for a daily driver for sure. Does it outweigh the price differential? I would say so just, but probably only because I can't afford a D3?

I would also note that just because of this don't think for a moment that it's any more reliable as I do not believe it is. My car has suffered from a few minor issues during my ownership nothing major but annoying all the same but tellingly it's been about as reliable as the 2001 model.

I reckon if you snag a good D2 full stop and you continue to service it and carry out preventative maintenance regularly it doesn't matter what one you end up with but where you can get one with a CDL.

Cheers

[Gullible]

I'd be leaning to the 2000 - the 160K kms and dealer service for the last 18 months trump 200K km and a slightly newer model. The small number of changes in the 2002MY aren't anything to write home about.

Sorry, I should have said the 2002 looks like it is TD5 2a (2003MY).

The owner does not seem to know much about discos, so I'll have to go look at it to make sure.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

If its a 2A he must be blind not to notice the headlights

[Disco EMU]

Buy the one with the better service history!!

[Gullible]

If its a 2A he must be blind not to notice the headlights

I agree.

Only I've seen a few around that were just Disco 2's but with the updated Disco 2A's headlights fitted.