No.5 TRAILER info wanted

[m80]

Hi, can someone out ther please provide me with some info on these.

I have recently purchased off Trademe (NZ) one thats rego'ed as a 1974, but think that just its date of private rego.
It has signs on it : NZ33036/ the KIWI facing away from curb (facing away indicates overseas deployment as I understand it?)/TAC 28 on olive/3 section on tarp. Black forward facing disc. Our army museum has no info available.

1/. Where is the chassis/frame number stamped.

2/. Should it have a build tag, and can I obtain a replacement

3/. What off-set should the wheels have(its got 2 types and part numbers. FV738903/no date, and 272309/dated /65) both of which I think have been swapped out and are not its originals.

4/. What tail lamps did these have. Its got 2 holes FHS and 3 holes RHS, that would take L488?. It does not have the bracket/shroud for a rear tail/plate light that appears on the Aussie ones.

Picks to follow.

Thanks in anticipation.

[LandroverScott]

Hi, can someone out ther please provide me with some info on these.

I have recently purchased off Trademe (NZ) one thats rego'ed as a 1974, but think that just its date of private rego.
It has signs on it : NZ33036/ the KIWI facing away from curb (facing away indicates overseas deployment as I understand it?)/TAC 28 on olive/3 section on tarp. Black forward facing disc. Our army museum has no info available.

1/. Where is the chassis/frame number stamped. sometimes on rear cross member just left or tube or sometimes front cross member drivers side but on top under tub

2/. Should it have a build tag, and can I obtain a replacement compliance plate should be on front cross member on passenger side in middle, someone did make replicas a while back but haven't seen any for a long time. They where made by Ordinance factory Maribrynong 1964 was first year of production

3/. What off-set should the wheels have(its got 2 types and part numbers. FV738903/no date, and 272309/dated /65) both of which I think have been swapped out and are not its originals. 272309 would be original for early Number 5 trailers these where standard on series 2a army Land Rovers

4/. What tail lamps did these have. Its got 2 holes FHS and 3 holes RHS, that would take L488?. It does not have the bracket/shroud for a rear tail/plate light that appears on the Aussie ones. not sure for NZ configuration

Picks to follow.

Thanks in anticipation.


Answers in Red hope this helps
Scott

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The number is sometimes stamped on the metal tab that holds the tub to the chassis frame. On my No.5 it was on the LHS front outer tab, on a mates it was on the LHS inner tab.

Don't get confused about GOF Manufactured No.5 and No.5 manufactured under later Army Contracts. There were of other manufacturers who took contracts to build the trailers to the original design, this still makes them No.5 just not GOF ones.

The first batch of No.5 were manufactured in 1963 there are lists of No.5 ARN at: Military Trailer Registration Number Lists -REMLR (http://remlr.com/ARN/ARNs_trailer.html) if you find a number on your trailer you should be able to work out the date from the Aussie ones with close numbers to yours.

[medic455]

I know this is a bit late, as this thread is a few months old, but the NZ No5 pattern trailers were not built in OZ. The one I have has a build plate on the chassis from an engeneering company in Hamilton, NZ. Same design so one could guess that they were built under licence

[chris m]

Hi I have bought a No.5 trailer, havent collected it yet, does anyone know of issues with registration of these trailers in NSW, and also where to find the chassis number on it.

Thanks if u can help

Chris M (owner TD5 remediation LR)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The ones coming out of Graysonline have new VIN stamped on the LHS of the drawbar, unfortunately most of these trailers were originally built in 1965 but are being dated 1985. so not eligible for historic rego for another 18 months.

The lack of tailgate is frustrating, the narrow series track, short wheelbase and lack of brakes makes them less than ideal for use behind the Defender or Disco.

Go for a Cooks or Haulmark box trailer instead.

[chris m]

Thanks for reply from Moderator. Well I have already paid for it, I guess should have inquired earlier as to best type. Though I'm not really planning on anything too scary with it. And thanks for info on where to find the VIN.

Perhaps I will sell or maybe just use it on the property and if needed it will give me a reasonably cheap pair of wheels and 7.50-16 tyres. I will keep an eye out for 750Kg trailer which as you say looks much more suited.

Chris M

[303gunner]

The ones coming our of Graysonline have new VIN stamped on the LHS of the drawbar, unfortunately most of these trailers were originally built in 1965 but are being dated 1985. so not eligible for historic rego for another 18 months.
This is certainly proved correct for the trailers being sold through the NSW branch of AFM. These trailers have been sold with a NSW Blue Slip to simplify the registration process. As part of of the Blue Slip, AFM have applied for a VIN number, and stamped that number on the drawbar and declared the build date to be 1985. It is now permanently recorded in the system as a 1985 built trailer.

However, from THIS THREAD (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/military-trailers/180830-no5-trailer-regod.html), it is apparent that the trailers being sold through AFM in Brisbane have NOT had VINs applied, or a roadworthy inspection provided. This makes it a little more complicated for the buyer in the registration process, but allows the owner to accurately identify the correct 60's build date if Historic Registration is something you wish to pursue.

[UncleHo]

Most of these trailers were built for use in South Vietnam during our military commitment there so most of them were built between 1964 and 1966 and listed as "Trailer 1/2 Ton 2 wheel" Aust.No5 (this carries on from the No 4 WW11 Jeep Trailer)

My Rego reads as Ordanance Factory ATM up to 1.02T Box. ID (chassis) 1974. and it cost me $89.40 for 12 months,yours will be dearer as you will have to pay for plates (1) :( if you have a problem you can quote my No5 rego No it is AI-1160 Qld and has been since about 1998.

So with the rego reading up to ATM 1.02 you could carry 750KG legally.

or,you could rego it in Qld as 1.02T and transfer to NSW Rego later this year,that would get it as 1.02T in a rego transfer,it being regoed as that in Qld.

cheers

[Lotz-A-Landies]

While most of the above is true, there were batches of No.5 trailers built in the 1980s outside the OFM/ADI by small manufacturers, the aluminium body trailers out of the RAAF are examples. Some of these trailers have a VIN not a chassis number.

In NSW RMS the No.5 is listed under manufacturer: Australian Defence Industries (ADI), the successor to Government Ordnance Factory Maribyrnong.

[frantic]

I've just bought a ex army trailer for general duties and was wondering what else need to be done to rego the No.5 in NSW after the blue slip?
I understand they will need the plug changed from a 12 pin NATO to 7(flat for my def), how hard is this?
Also does it also need a pink slip?
Thanks.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The wires should all be numbered inside the sheath, I'd be happy to take the old 12 pin off your hands for my Army Horndraulic trailer.

I'll see if I can track down the numbering for you.

For first rego you need a blue slip, the pink slip comes next year.

[303gunner]

For first rego you need a blue slip, the pink slip comes next year.
No Pink Slip req'd for trailer renewals under 750Kg.

Nothing more is required for initial registration besides the Blue Slip, except the small matter of handing over wads of cash to the RMS. You will pay for Stamp Duty, Registration and issue of a new plate. All up should be about $130.

To replace the 12 pin plug, it is probabbly easier to remove the whole length of cable with it (as the plug can be frustrating to get into the back of it to unsolder the wires). There is a screw terminal plug strip (I know these things have a commercial name, just can't think of it now) down the back of the trailer. The cable from the 12 pin plug runs down the central tube to this terminal block, held in place by conduit clamps. Unscrew the wire from the terminal block and withdraw the entire cable with the 12 pin plug still attached. Replace with about 3.5mt of standard 7 core trailer wire with your 7 pin flat plug attached. Should take you all of 10 minutes.

[frantic]

I got lucky, sort of , it already has a flat7 pin same as my def and it already has a normal towball attachment, which I already knew.
But thanks for the help.:D

[303gunner]

Ahhh, so THIS WAS YOU? (http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0064-5007479/transport-trucks-and-trailers/single-axle-cargo-trailer-australian-no-5-half-tonne)

[chris m]

Well,

I have brought back from Qld auctions a No.5, and currently attempting to jump through hoops to get it registered in NSW. Firstly, got a weighbridge certificate, it came out as 380Kg. Then to a blue slip servo, they say I must have mud flaps which go down to at least the level of the wheel centre, and also extend the mudguards out to at least the widest part of the tyre.

I will post my progress in this saga. it began at the Qld Frontline auctions not getting new VIN numbers and blue slips. I was told by Frontline person that they don't in Qld because they don't have have to. NSW auctions do, because you can't sell an unregistered vehicle in NSW without a blue slip.

I would be interested to hear from anyone else going thruogh NSW rego for a No.5.

Chris M:wacko:

[Mick_Marsh]

One of the Haulmarks at Minto had a blue slip but no tail lights.
What is a blue slip for, exactly?

[chris m]

Mick, a blue slip in NSW, is an inspection certificate for an unregistered vehicle, including trailers (a pink slip is the certificate for rego renewal).

They are fairly fussy with these apparently, taking great pains to ensure that the vehicle is not a recycled stolen one for example. The No.5's sold without a VIN, in NSW it seems you have to apply to have a new VIN issued, which requires a blue slip, but the blue slip form requires a VIN to be filled in which is on the govt database (catch 22?).

Going back this week with mud flaps and extended guard fitted, to hopefully get it sorted or maybe find out what the next technical block is.

I get the impression that NSW Frontline has their own inspection facility and they just do whatever they want.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Apparently the photos on the auction were not as sold, a friend informed me that the Haulmark without lights had them by the sale date.

As for mudflaps on a No.5 these are the ones I fitted to my trailer, they are generic Land Rover ones.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/268.jpg

[frantic]

Ahhh, so THIS WAS YOU? (http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0064-5007479/transport-trucks-and-trailers/single-axle-cargo-trailer-australian-no-5-half-tonne)
Yup:D
Sad to hear about the Qld to NSW rego hassles, I just towed it to my local RTA walked in with the blue slip ,and it looked exactly the same as the grays pics, paid 260 and walked out with a new number plate. It towed well on the way down Mt. Qusely just a bit bouncy on the Appin rd. potholes.
Now to put some rust stop on inside and under where its a bit of surface rust.

[ian4002000]

I got a No 5 from the Melbourne auction, I noticed that the ring on the front of the trailer has a grease nipple. Does this mean it is able to turn ? what needs to be done to make it turn ?
It would be better for me if the ring was able to turn rather than going to a Nato coupling.
Any suggestions ????

[Mick_Marsh]

I got a No 5 from the Melbourne auction, I noticed that the ring on the front of the trailer has a grease nipple. Does this mean it is able to turn ? what needs to be done to make it turn ?
It would be better for me if the ring was able to turn rather than going to a Nato coupling.
Any suggestions ????
I haven't seen the innards of one but I suspect if you took it off it wouldn't be too hard to work it out.
If you do, maybe post up pictures.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If you take the 6 bolts off that hold on the lunette flange to the drawbar spline and remove the lunette assembly, you will usually find three metal washers, one or two large ones with a knotch that locks against part of the casting, assembled with two small washers first they allow the lunette to turn inserted with the large knotched one first they lock the lunette.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/73.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/11/74.jpg

Remember, you shouldn't have both the pintle and the lunette rotating.

[303gunner]

Apparently the photos on the auction were not as sold, a friend informed me that the Haulmark without lights had them by the sale date.
Yes, it had received a set of Hella Incandescent lamps, looks a bit odd compared to the LEDs usually fitted to Haulmarks:

[ian4002000]

Thanks for the photo and explanation. I will pull mine apart and move the washer. Aren't they smart to build em that way !!!

[LandroverScott]

Thanks for the photo and explanation. I will pull mine apart and move the washer. Aren't they smart to build em that way !!!

It would also be wise to throw away the nylon lock nut and put a castellated nut and split pin (there is a hole for the split pin) then no worries about the nylon lock nut coming off and leaving your trailer behind, remember nylon lock nuts are a one use only nut and putting them on a second time can mean the nylon does not lock it on (most times OK but not worth the risk).

Hope that helps

Regards
Scott

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Ian

You will likely find that the lunette has the castle nut. The one in the image is an amalgamation of two lunettes, a broken flange with damaged castle nut and the second with a Treg hitch instead of the lunette. The nylock came off the Treg.

The amalgamation is also likely the reason for the two knotched washers instead of only one.

Diana

[Cliffy]

I doubt too many trailers made it over to WA but here is some info for anyone wanting to licence one here :

You will need 2 white reflectors on the front corners, and amber either side and even though your lights may have some inbuilt, a red on each side of the rear.
You will need to fit chains (2 ea in case of vehicle/trailer separation) and the chain now needs to be rated (ie stamped with its rating so the inspectors can see as such).
You will need to apply online for a New VIN as undoubtably like mine your number will show up as a duplicate. Stamp this into a conspicuous place like the draw bar.
The lunette ring will need to be stamped with it's rating (lucky you had them letter punches out! ;oP )
Goes without saying that the wheel bearings and spring bushes need to be tip top!
Not sure about mud flaps, but I'll post up if I get knocked back for not having them.
Wish me luck!

[Cliffy]

OK all good bar mud flaps too short and need weigh bridge cert.
Regoed tomorrow!

[Bigbjorn]

Qld. Transport would not recognise Government Ordnance Factory Maribyrnong as a manufacturer in spite of probably hundreds of these trailers being civilian registered over the decades. I took photos of the ID plate with clear numbers and of other details with me when I started the registration procedure. Waste of time. Trailer is registered as "home made".

[mawhins]

Hi all I'm new to this forum. I'm of the cruiser not rover persuasion so I hope you don't hold that against me too much.

I bought a no.5 the other day and have just pulled the lunette apart and flipped the washer. The whole thing was locked up and took some work to get free. I also had clean up the washer to get it to fit in its new orientation. I'm now having trouble getting the large nut back on. I may have to take it somewhere, the last thing I want to do is cross thread that.

Otherwise it was pretty simple.

Next step is getting it through the rego process. Sounds like fun.

[sobloodyobvious]

There are currently two trailers up for sale in the South Oz auction.
Has anyone out there experience of registering them here in SA?
Second question: the light plugs, are they 11 pin? Excuse my ignorance but I take it this is not a standard plug?

[digger]

The lack of tailgate is frustrating, the narrow series track, short wheelbase and lack of brakes makes them less than ideal for use behind the Defender or Disco.

.
Sorry Diana but I disagree with you here

I use mine (original except for pintle removed and replaced with standard tow ball hitch) behind my defender and I love it, I knew that the trailer had no tailgate, it rides beautifully, it follows like a quality sheepdog and you hardly know its there...

If you know their short falls you will love it like I love mine, collect it and enjoy it (its great :) ) I often use mine in preference to my 6x4 treg trailer..

[digger]

There are currently two trailers up for sale in the South Oz auction.
Has anyone out there experience of registering them here in SA?
Second question: the light plugs, are they 11 pin? Excuse my ignorance but I take it this is not a standard plug?


SBO ( I can't be bothered typing your whole title and these initials should be ....well....obvious :) )

You will need the following..

*inspection of the trailer (MR29) done at a Police station --(cost about $60 --dont quote me thats from memory and may be wrong price- most police stations do not have eftpos!)
take the details that you get from REMLR - also you will require it to have a chassis number (if you know the ARN -stamp that in eg "ARN123-123" to the chassis.) make sure its clear.. (after you find it or stamp it, rub chalk across it and light rub off, this highlights the letters, and means that its easier to read and whoever is doing the inspection spends that little bit less time theyre looking at your trailer!!, If you do not locate and or/do not add your own chassis number you will be given a 16 digit/letter number to add anyway. this way this one will have relevance and be easier to remember

* You can leave the NATO plug in situ (wrapped around the tow tube) and simply wire in the trailer wiring and standard trailer plug into the wire joiner at the rear base of the trailer.
Make sure all the lights work - If it is as mine you have a left and a right blinker, and a solitary brake/tail and numberplate light (one larger round in a metal "cup" on the right hand side.

This is legal, so long as the lenses are all orange or red (depending on use!!) and clearly visible when active.

Once you have done this inspection, take the copy of the MR29 and the receipt to motor reg office (transport sa) also take an MR1 form (can get them off the transport sa site) .

You dont need to take the trailer, so long as you have the MR29 and attached receipt, and a completed MR1 (any questions should be answered on REMLR if not just ask someone will tell you.) You should walk in and out (with a rego plate) in about 1/2 hour (takes time to enter it all etc)

Possibly the easiest rego to get...

[sobloodyobvious]

Thanks for that.
I bought a camper trailer in Vic last year and had to apply to get permission to bring it back to SA. I was emailed a page which allowed me to take it straight home after pick up. A local car dealer was able to register it and supply plates. Would all this apply in the case of these ex military trailers?

[digger]

Thanks for that.
I bought a camper trailer in Vic last year and had to apply to get permission to bring it back to SA. I was emailed a page which allowed me to take it straight home after pick up. A local car dealer was able to register it and supply plates. Would all this apply in the case of these ex military trailers?

I assume the camper was brand new? (getting the dealer to do rego) if not I am not sure how it could have been done..but permits for transport should be very straight forward so long as its roadworthy

(remember these have a lunette ring NOT a normal tow hitch, the adapter to make so it goes on a normal ball is relatively easy (mine cost abt $100 at an engineers) main part you need is the bolts around the centre tube need to be drilled correctly into the tow plate (about 8 or 10 bolts from memory, I think 8) then its simply unbolt lunette ring ( put aside in box marked "for digger" :) ) and bolt new one on...may need to extend your chains (or have some welded to the bracket when its made.

This way the trailer can be "unconverted" at a later date if so desired...
I think a search on here or REMLR will locate photos of peoples conversions easy enough to give you an idea

for the wiring, if you need , I can take a photo of how RichardO did mine (I got my trailer from him via a complicated swap/trade deal :) ) so that it simply "splices" into the joiner--if its rights all good, if its wrong for yours then its still not much lost!
this should mean you could buy trailer, have a @ 3 metre trailer cable already done (with plug already added) - get under and splice it... @3 screws..easy!

then undo 8 or so nuts on trailer centre shaft so lunette ring comes off, place premade bracket on (I assume all holes are same to fit lunettes etc?) place on bolts (and locknuts in my case) and then hitch it up and VOOM (like a dead parrot)

[sobloodyobvious]

Yes it was new... so different rules for second hand?

[digger]

sure I will have missed something...if so someone will add it in :)

hope that helps

[digger]

Yes it was new... so different rules for second hand?

Yes, an authorised new car dealer can rego new vehicles using inspection authorities they have been granted, 2nd hand means a trip to "rego land"
via police station (where checks are done to ensure the rego or chassis number arent 'bodgy' and the trailer is checked to ensure not reported stolen anywhere in australia and not a rusty unlighted hulk,,,,

... a pain I know....sorry!

[sobloodyobvious]

Yes you have been a great help, thank you. Just looking for an example of the adaptor now.
Thanks again

[digger]

this may help...

https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/motoring/vehicles-and-registration/vehicle-registration/unregistered-vehicles

[sobloodyobvious]

Found some pics of adapters and thanks for the link to the Govt page.

[digger]

Found some pics of adapters and thanks for the link to the Govt page.

Cool SBO can you paste links in so next person searching has an easier run?
cheers!

(If you dont want the lunette ring, please PM me, I need one)

[sobloodyobvious]

Found these pics on the AULRO site
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/non-land-rover-technical-chat/163884-pintle-hook-onto-removable-flat-tongue-towbar.html


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/non-land-rover-technical-chat/55086d1357188872-pintle-hook-onto-removable-flat-tongue-towbar-uploadfromtaptalk1357188868132.jpg

Sorry I can't do this any better but the links should have the desired affect

[sobloodyobvious]

Assuming I "win" the auction and get through the rego stuff it's yours.
Thanks for your help.

[digger]

I assume you are aware of D@rk51d3 in your town there?

if you need to contact me he has my number or may be able to assist..
he has a nice 2a ex mil. he rescued and restored "Crusher"

[sobloodyobvious]

Guess I will have to wait until the next auction. Optus were playing with their tower in this area and so lost Internet connexion at a critical time.

Thanks again. All the research is done so...... next time

[67hardtop]

Hi Digger, I won one of those 2 No 5 trailers you and SBO have been discussing, lot 12. I have a fixed pintle on my s2a so will do the mod to the lunette ring. The trailer i got had a "red" do not use sticker on it due to the shackle bushes being worn, and tyres out of date?? Do you know where I can get new bushes from? I would also like to fit the 12 pin nato type socket to my 2a, any ideas as to where I might get one from? Also I would like to know where the chassis No. is stamped for rego. Any idea of the tare weight? The ARN is 176464 according to the grays paperwork. I didn't notice the "red" sticker till after the auction....my bad. Thanks for any help you may be able to give me.

Cheers Rod:wasntme:

Ps. Sorry SBO if I outbid you. Hope you got the other one. Cheers. Rod

[303gunner]

The trailer i got had a "red" do not use sticker on it due to the shackle bushes being worn, and tyres out of date?? Do you know where I can get new bushes from?
The bushes are (and were, they are the OEM), made by Mackay Rubber (http://www.mackayrubber.com.au/products/), with their part number of S19. Most proper auto parts places should be able to order them in for you. You need a total of 6 for a No5 trailer.

[sobloodyobvious]

Yes it was me 67Hardtop!

Optus did some repairs on our local tower and just turned their network in that area off! So at the critical moment .... no contact with the outside world!!!

Sounds as though it might have been more problems than I could handle at the moment! Anyone know when the next Adelaide auction will be on?

There is heaps of useful stuff available, just google it. Have a look at http://www.aulro.com/afvb/military-trailers/180830-no5-trailer-regod.html
UncleHo has some useful things to say

[sobloodyobvious]

Looks like this is the way to go!

IMG_4733_zps1db442f3.jpg Photo by extremejnr | Photobucket (http://s341.photobucket.com/user/extremejnr/media/IMG_4733_zps1db442f3.jpg.html)

[seanb]

Hi cliffy your saying your mud flaps are to short on your trailer . Iam in the process of trying to get my number five over the pits , if you don't mind could you help me out with how your fixing the mud flaps to the trailer


cheers


sean