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bob10
23rd June 2012, 09:16 AM
A Special B-17 & Her Crew In 1943

A mid-air collision on February 1, 1943, between a B-17 and a German fighter over the Tunis dock area, became the subject of one of the most famous photographs of World War II. An enemy fighter attacking a 97th Bomb Group formation went out of control, probably with a wounded pilot then continued its crashing descent into the rear of the fuselage of a Fortress named All American, piloted by Lt. Kendrick R. Bragg, of the 414th Bomb Squadron. When it struck, the fighter broke apart, but left some pieces in the B-17. The left horizontal stabilizer of the Fortress and left elevator were completely torn away. The two right engines were out and one on the left had a serious oil pump leak. The vertical fin and the rudder had been damaged, the fuselage had been cut almost completely through connected only at two small parts of the frame and the radios, electrical and oxygen systems were damaged. There was also a hole in the top that was over 16 feet long and 4 feet wide at its widest and the split in the fuselage went all the way to the top gunners turret.

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Although the tail actually bounced and swayed in the wind and twisted when the plane turned and all the control cables were severed, except one single elevator cable still worked, and the aircraft still flew - miraculously! The tail gunner was trapped because there was no floor connecting the tail to the rest of the plane. The waist and tail gunners used parts of the German fighter and their ownparachute harnesses in an attempt to keep the tail from ripping off and the two sides of the fuselage from splitting apart. While the crew was trying to keep the bomber from coming apart, the pilot continued on his bomb run and released his bombs over the target.











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When the bomb bay doors were opened, the wind turbulence was so great that it blew one of the waist gunners into the broken tail section. It took several minutes and four crew members to pass him ropes from parachutes and haul him back into the forward part of the plane. When they tried to do the same for the tail gunner, the tail began flapping so hard that it began to break off. The weight of the gunner was adding some stability to the tail section, so he went back to his position.



The turn back toward England had to be very slow to keep the tail from twisting off. They actually covered almost 70 miles to make the turn home. The bomber was so badly damaged that it was losing altitude and speed and was soon alone in the sky. For a brief time, two more Me-109 German fighters attackedthe All American. Despite the extensive damage, all of the machine gunners were able to respond to these attacks and soon drove off the fighters. The two waist gunners stood up with their heads sticking out through the hole in the top of the fuselage to aim and fire their machine guns. The tail gunner had to shoot in short bursts because the recoil was actually causing the plane to turn.



Allied P-51 fighters intercepted the All American as it crossed over the Channel andtook one of the pictures shown. They also radioed to the base describing that the empennage was waving like a fish tail and that the plane would not make it and to send out boats to rescue the crew when they bailed out. The fighters stayed with the Fortress taking hand signals from Lt. Bragg and relaying them to the base. Lt. Bragg signaled that 5 parachutes and the spare had been "used" so five of the crew could not bail out. He made the decision that if they could not bail out safely, then he would stay with the plane and land it.



Two and a half hours after being hit, the aircraft made its final turn to line up with the runway while it was still over 40 miles away. It descended into an emergency landing and a normal roll-out on its landing gear.



When the ambulance pulled alongside, it was waved off because not a single member of the crew had been injured. No one could believe that the aircraft could still fly in such a condition. The Fortress sat placidly until the crew all exited through the door in the fuselage and the tail gunner had climbed down a ladder, at which time the entire rear section of the aircraft collapsed onto the ground. The rugged old bird had done its job.






Couldn't get the photos up, still computer hopeless, but never mind, still a great story, Bob


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Pedro_The_Swift
23rd June 2012, 09:27 AM
Found some pics on wiki Bob;):cool:

goingbush
23rd June 2012, 09:36 AM
Unbeliveable, thanks for sharing

No Wonder it was called the Flying Fortress

some more pics are here
http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/fuselag2.htm

bob10
23rd June 2012, 09:51 AM
Found some pics on wiki Bob;):cool:
Thanks, Pedro, what would we old farts do without bright youngsters :D :spudnikconfounded:Bob

bussy1963
23rd June 2012, 09:52 AM
My Grandfather was a pilot in the RAF and laterfor British Airways just after the war. He was flying into Frankfurt and was instructed to land on runway 28. He had no idea where 28 was so he asked air traffic control when 28 was. They replied " havent you been to Germany before". His response was yes in 1945 but we didnt land

bob10
23rd June 2012, 09:54 AM
Unbeliveable, thanks for sharing

No Wonder it was called the Flying Fortress

some more pics are here
Battle-Damaged B-17 Flying Fortresses: Fuselage hits - Page 2 (http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/fuselag2.htm)
Thanks for the link, What incredible courage those men showed. Bob

Hymie
23rd June 2012, 09:58 AM
What an amazing story!
When you consider that a 24 year old was considered an old man and that 19 and 20 year olds were gallivanting about the sky in these machines fighting for the freedom of future generations it's easy to forget the debt we owe them.

Bigbjorn
23rd June 2012, 12:05 PM
What an amazing story!
When you consider that a 24 year old was considered an old man and that 19 and 20 year olds were gallivanting about the sky in these machines fighting for the freedom of future generations it's easy to forget the debt we owe them.

I worked with a guy who drove Lancasters in Bomber Command. In 1939 he was an 18 y.o. apprentice carpenter. He finished his apprenticeship in 1941 and in 1943 was piloting Lancs over Germany aged 22, the "old man" of his crew. After 40 missions he was retired sideways to a training position. He wondered how any of them survived, the casualties were so heavy.

The great race car builder and inventor, Smoky Yunick, piloted B17's in the European theatre aged 20. Smoky "acquired" a B25 Mitchell for private transportation and even managed to take it with him from Europe to SE Asia.

Davo
23rd June 2012, 03:14 PM
My Grandpa was a Lancaster engine mechanic and would have dealt with this sort of thing, but unfortunately didn't talk about it much. I do remember him mentioning how the tailgunners often didn't survive long, and how they had to hose out the wrecked tail of a Lancaster that had been hit - yuck.

digger
28th June 2012, 01:08 AM
brave brave men..

there is a BOMBER COMMAND MEMORIAL opening in LONDON TODAY!!
I know thats not US but UK (etc) but same bravery, I believe US forces lost 1 in 3, Bomber command was closer to 1/2.


SOME BITS ABOUT IT
BBC News - WWII Bomber Command heroes to get London monument (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8681663.stm)

BBC News - Bee Gees singer Robin Gibb's War Memorial Campaign (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18149345)


RAF BOMBER COMMAND (http://www.rafbombercommand.com/master_the_association.html)

Why the forgotten heroes of RAF Bomber Command deserve a memorial - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/raf-bomber-command/3269233/Why-the-forgotten-heroes-of-RAF-Bomber-Command-deserve-a-memorial.html)


Rest In Peace

3toes
28th June 2012, 07:38 AM
Has been interesting to watch this develop. There was plenty of resistance to the project. Local government was against it and after lossing in the courts charged almost £1m in fees for construction permits. Then the cost of opening the memorial was transferred to the trust after the government reneged on paying these costs.

Canada contributed cash and resourses. Not sure that Australia put anything in. If they did it has not made the news here.

Defence Secretary Philip Hammond accused of hypocrisy over Bomber Command Memorial - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/gordon-rayner/9357225/Defence-Secretary-Philip-Hammond-accused-of-hypocrisy-over-Bomber-Command-Memorial.html)

Harper Government Provides Support for Bomber Command Memorial in London, United Kingdom - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/harper-government-provides-support-bomber-153400473.html)


An example of the make up of Bomber Command is seen in the casualties list for 103 squadron RAF for 1939 to 1945.


Australia 74
Argentine 1
Burma 1
Canada 132
Dominion of Newfoundland 1
England 598
India 1
Jamaica 1
Jersey 1
Luxembourg 1
Northern Ireland 10
New Zealand 16
Republic of Ireland 8
Scotland 62
South Africa 2
Southern Rhodesia 2
United States of America 4
Wales 31
Yugoslavia 1