Super Extended Mode Limitations

[time2]

Hi All

I've had a search through the old postings here for an answer to this question but couldn't find one.......

Are there any parameters in the cars settings that will limit or prevent the selection of super extended mode when the car is already in extended mode?

The reason for my question is that, on the weekend I managed to slip my car in a deep rut and it bellied out. The car went into extended mode ok bit couldn't get the lift needed to clear the obsticle. The dash displayed the option to extend the suspension futher by pressing the raise button and press the brake for 3 seconds but no matter how long I pressed the button and pressed the brake it would not raise any further. The rut was on an incline as you would imagine. So I was wondering if there was some programed limitation due to this?

Thanks

[NavyDiver]

Hi All

I've had a search through the old postings here for an answer to this question but couldn't find one.......

Are there any parameters in the cars settings that will limit or prevent the selection of super extended mode when the car is already in extended mode?

The reason for my question is that, on the weekend I managed to slip my car in a deep rut and it bellied out. The car went into extended mode ok bit couldn't get the lift needed to clear the obsticle. The dash displayed the option to extend the suspension futher by pressing the raise button and press the brake for 3 seconds but no matter how long I pressed the button and pressed the brake it would not raise any further. The rut was on an incline as you would imagine. So I was wondering if there was some programed limitation due to this?

Thanks

Hi Matthew. LLAMS allows me to control this totaly not being left wishing for extra height which occured several time before I put it in my D3.
Prior to LLAMS I could get super extended by putting a log under my backside and lowering onto it but clearly this is not helping if I am already totaly stuck. Being in the right height before I go into or over fun bits is the right way but LLAMS alows mine to get the right height even if I have been day dreaming or enjoying the view. My D3 seems to go to super exended when I get very very wet for everything else when needed I use LLAMS.

[gghaggis]

Were you in Neutral/Park or in Drive? Note that you need to firstly NOT be applying the brake, then apply it, then (whilst still holding the brake) press and hold the raise button. You can practice at home first by lowering the car onto the jack (from off-road height) to get it into extended, and then try for the additional lift.

Cheers,

Gordon

[BobD]

Gordon,

What happens if you are in the high LLAMS setting (or have the GOE rods on the high setting) and it goes to extended mode? I assume that would then be the highest possible setting and there would be no super extended mode?

Bob

[time2]

Were you in Neutral/Park or in Drive? Note that you need to firstly NOT be applying the brake, then apply it, then (whilst still holding the brake) press and hold the raise button. You can practice at home first by lowering the car onto the jack (from off-road height) to get it into extended, and then try for the additional lift.

Cheers,

Gordon


Hi and thanks Gordon. I actually tried it in all transmission selections, even reverse. I even checked the manual to see if I was doing it right, but nothing happened.

I haven't had a chance yet to try it yet in the comfort of the garage by the method you've described. I'll try it soon.

I was wondering if there was some inclinometer, yawmeter or mercury switch that would prevent the vehicle raising if it wasn't on flat or nearly flat ground? In saying that it's not like the vehicle was resting particulary steep, it was just off axis.

[gghaggis]

Gordon,

What happens if you are in the high LLAMS setting (or have the GOE rods on the high setting) and it goes to extended mode? I assume that would then be the highest possible setting and there would be no super extended mode?

Bob

The max height with the rods (I presume the same for LLAMS +50) is approx 5 ~ 10mm above the extended height. As you indicate, this means the car can still raise itself to emergency height, but once there you cannot get any further height gain. If you try the "foot on brake, press button" routine, the compressor will cycle for a while, but the car doesn't raise.

Cheers,

Gordon

[gghaggis]

Hi and thanks Gordon. I actually tried it in all transmission selections, even reverse. I even checked the manual to see if I was doing it right, but nothing happened.

I haven't had a chance yet to try it yet in the comfort of the garage by the method you've described. I'll try it soon.

I was wondering if there was some inclinometer, yawmeter or mercury switch that would prevent the vehicle raising if it wasn't on flat or nearly flat ground? In saying that it's not like the vehicle was resting particulary steep, it was just off axis.

I have had the rare occasion where it didn't work. In those instances, I wait a bit, then lower the vehicle. It responds by resetting itself to extended height, and from there I've (so far) always been able to select the emergency height. The exception would be if the air-tank was drained and the pump was close to thermal cut-off. You'd have to wait a while for it to raise.

Cheers,

Gordon

[Graeme]

The max height with the rods (I presume the same for LLAMS +50) is approx 5 ~ 10mm above the extended height. As you indicate, this means the car can still raise itself to emergency height, but once there you cannot get any further height gain. If you try the "foot on brake, press button" routine, the compressor will cycle for a while, but the car doesn't raise.

Cheers,

Gordon
I suspect that with either system a suspension fault would eventally occur when the shocks wont extend any further yet the suspension ecu thinks from the sensor values that more height should be available, assuming the compressor doesn't overheat beforehand. A V2 Llams module on +50 with fade-out enabled attempts to prevent faults because the extra height is gradually reduced as individual corner heights approach their upper limits. Fade-out works with +30 too but its less likely to be required.

[Dfourfun]

'xcuse my ignorance, but what is/are "LLAMS"..?:confused:

[Graeme]

Llams is an add-on system to do electronically much the same as what shortened sensor link rods achieve, plus a few extras, ie fool the suspension ecu to maintain the vehicle at a different height.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/verandah/114282-llams-electronic-height-controller-d3-d4-rrs.html

[NavyDiver]

'xcuse my ignorance, but what is/are "LLAMS"..?:confused:

A must have bit if you play very hard:D
Ok the Mud tires, winch and sliders help a lot as well:).

Graeme's link tells you a lot Dfourfun. It is not ignorance mate and you're excused and more importantly encoraged to ask questions sir.

[elsey]

A must have bit if you play very hard:D
Ok the Mud tires, winch and sliders help a lot as well:).

Graeme's link tells you a lot Dfourfun. It is not ignorance mate and you're excused and more importantly encoraged to ask questions sir.

Wealestlink

It is really good to see that new members are welcomed and made to feel at ease to ask questions, this is how we all learn.

The sharing of knowledge and experiences is what our forum is all about!

Lou...

[Dfourfun]

Thank you gentlemen, I agree, everyone is most helpful and - being a newbie to the technological wizardry of my LR - am still learning the jargon... Just not enough hours in the day! Many thanx. Cheers, Dfourfun