LED Replacement Defender headlights

[Yorkshire_Jon]

Hi all,
I recall reading somewhere a year or so ago about some good quality LED replacement headlights for Defenders.

Has anyone got them or can someone recommend a set? The mrs has decided she'd like some:)

Any issues re NSW road laws?

Thx
J

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[Yorkshire_Jon]

Typical... Did a bit more searching and found what I was looking for:

http://www.mobilecentre.co.uk/led-land-rover-defender-puma-svx-headlamp-upgrade-with-front-position-lamp-lhd-h6024-fire-and-ice-x-2-eu-rht-p-689.html

Now, I'm assuming these would be road legal over here, seen as though they are in the Fire & Ice Defenders??

Anyone know if they can be sourced over here... For much less $$$$???

Thx
J

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[Defendozer]

I found these just yesterday whilst surfing the net for Landrover gear - MUD-UK - Defender LED Headlamps (http://www.mudstuff.co.uk/shop/151-defender-led-headlamps.html)

Certainly no cheaper and I'm not sure if they would be legal here in Aus..

[Don 130]

Did you look at the download from JW Speakers on how they are made?

http://www.mobilecentre.co.uk/images/Data_Sheets/JWS/LRM_LED_Headlights.pdf

Don.

[goingbush]

Here you go,
$300 each

Truck-Lite 7" Round LED Headlight Univ fits Honda KTM | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Truck-Lite-7-Round-LED-Headlight-Univ-fits-Honda-KTM-/170689439041?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27bde22541)

[sumosmurf76]

Hi Yorkshire
This is my car
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members-rides/131709-black-defender-90-puma.html

see attached link.....i bought a led light bumper from Alive Tuning from UK
DRL Bumper - Alive Tuning (http://www.alivetuning.com/DRL_Bumper.html)
$800AU includes shipping

also with the head light they are rear projection xenon lights 6000K
I got them from ebay from USA
$450AU includes shipping

There is alot of fake projection light so be careful.

[ezyrama]

ARB sell a retrofit HID upgrade kit for only a $140.00, a mate of mine fitted it to his Disco (my old one) and they work like a charm, the light output was brilliant, he only had to adjust them down a bit so as not to dazzle anyone. I am looking at fitting the kit to my 2012 Defender.

[Drover]

These are available from BAS in the UK, they look the goods, but they are a bit exy......

Diesel performance tuning and economy remap chip tuning for Landrover Defender Discovery TD5 Puma TDV6 TDV8 (http://bellautoservices.co.uk/)

[Yorkshire_Jon]

Those are the ones she wants... But too expensive. We'll be sticking with the H4's and Lightforce's. 😞

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[Don 130]

The truck lites from USA are probably for left hand drive only.
Don.

[ad91on]

These are awesome! Can't wait for them to get a bit cheaper.

Till then definitely best option for brilliant clear light is HID upgrade, they are so cheap these days it's hard not to justify. Anyone had any experience with LED H4 bulbs and other bayonet type ones?

[TeamFA]

ARB sell a retrofit HID upgrade kit for only a $140.00, a mate of mine fitted it to his Disco (my old one) and they work like a charm, the light output was brilliant, he only had to adjust them down a bit so as not to dazzle anyone. I am looking at fitting the kit to my 2012 Defender.

Do you know if that kit is legal in Australia? Generally speaking, if the lens isn't replaced as part of the kit, then they're not deemed legal, and the light projection patters is different when a HID bulb replaces a standard bulb...

Cheers!

[pannawonica]

I was looking at JW speaker H/Lghts at TWISTED, think they said 499 quid each. They seem to have come down in price over the last couple of years.:D

[Michael2]

The JW Speaker ones are available for about $370ea in the USA and Canada. But no one wants to answer questions about RHD or LHD versions, availability of old stock (glass lens as opposed to current polycarbonate lens with built in parker) or freight. The best I got was a $500+ freight quote for 2 headlights from Canada. I reasked my other questions, and suggested that Canada Post could do it with insurance for $120, but no one bothered to reply, even though I had inquired about buying more than one set.

Local price I think was about $840ea, so just over double overseas retail.

The Trucklight ones aren't as good as the JW Speaker ones according to my research from reading US Mercedes and Jeep forums.

[goingbush]

The truck lites from USA are probably for left hand drive only.
Don.

Truck Lites are not LHD or RHD, They dip straight ahead, Which is why they are popular with Harley Davidsons (which still use 7" round headlights) bikes dont dip sideways.

I cant see anything in the latest ADR's pertaining to lighting that headlights need to be dipped to the left ???

Also the ADR's state that you can have the Low Beam wired to run whilst High beam is on - Thats new to me, that in itself can be a huge lighting improvment.

Im about to order a set of TruckLites but cant decide between the early 27250C ones, or the new 27270C which are optically a better light , the early ones look more like a traditional light & more at home on the Defender, plus they are Literally bullet proof !!

[n plus one]

Do you know if that kit is legal in Australia? Generally speaking, if the lens isn't replaced as part of the kit, then they're not deemed legal, and the light projection patters is different when a HID bulb replaces a standard bulb...

Cheers!

Also, pretty sure you must have self leveling suspension and headlight washers for HID replacements to be legal?

[goingbush]

interesting comparison here JW Speaker vs TruckLites but handheld , you still get the idea of JW's awsomeness

Truck-Lite 7" Round LED Headlights Review and Demonstration - YouTube

I decided on a pair of TruckLites 27250c for $390 shipped.

will take before / after video comparing H4 & LED Lighbars with the TruckLites

Apparantly the 27270C's are so much better again but I dont want to blind anybody.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/450.jpg

[Bavo]

'Scuse my ignorance, but what's the advantage of LED over HID?

[Tombie]

'Scuse my ignorance, but what's the advantage of LED over HID?

Instant, solid state, no ballast, no 'bulb', better focal point control.

[Tombie]

Adelaide based defender at Melrose had the JW units...

Very impressive performance...

[VladTepes]

Too expensive, too illegal, to be bothered.

[Tombie]

Too expensive, too illegal, to be bothered.

Mate, what are you referring to?

The JW LED headlights are legal....

[goingbush]

TruckLites arrived & fitted,

Found out why they were so cheap, The earlier Phase 5 lights arrived rather than the Phase 6 , never mind they are still pretty good lights. (Phase 7 are now available which are more like the JW Speaker lights

They stick out an inch more than the standard lights so the front is in line with the bezel instead of recessed an inch so look like they are more a standard fitment than the originals.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/03/1242.jpg

Cant really test them properley as I got them delivered to where I'm staying in Sydney, so around the Eastern suburbs they seem fine, but hard to say in the brightly lit streets, one thing I'm happy about is no-one is flashing me, will need to get out on a dark road to aim them properly but first impressions are good. the fact that they dip straight down instead of to the left is not an issue, still plenty of light spread to the kerb.

a good write up on LED's here
http://bogiesreviews.webs.com/Review%20-%20LED%20Headlights%20&%20Passing%20Lamps.pdf

[Drover]

Truck Lite Phase 7

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/09/1253.jpg

Looks good.

[chook73]

Truck Lite Phase 7


Looks good.

You ordering some Drover? Let me know if you do I would be interested if the price is right.

[Josh_WA]

You ordering some Drover? Let me know if you do I would be interested if the price is right.

+1 do you know where these can be ordered from for a reasonable price?

[bitdist]

LED Headlights (http://www.discountfleetsupply.com/lighting-veli-led-headlights.html)

Seems an OK price, and even if they dont ship to Australia there are always the re-shippers

[goingbush]

LED Headlights (http://www.discountfleetsupply.com/lighting-veli-led-headlights.html)

Seems an OK price, and even if they dont ship to Australia there are always the re-shippers

Thats as good a price as I've seen for the phase 7's, it will cost about $95 to get them shipped to Au via www.bongous.com, Strange that they are cheaper than the phase 6's

[Drover]

I hear, today that the new defender (13my) in the UK will be fitted with LED's from the factory. Australia will have to wait another 12 months before we see them.

Also told they are already appearing on TeraFirma's web site in the UK. although I couldn't find an image. They are not Truck Lite or JW speaker brands.

A local, well know distributor, a supporter of this site, has set to trial and is fitting them tomorrow for testing before putting them on the market here in Aus.

No price at the moment but Might be worth waiting for.

Cheers

[goingbush]

The TerraFirma website mentions Duo-Lux 7" Headlamp,
may be one of these

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

The Ring Duo-Lux (http://www.autobiz.ie/news/The_Ring_Duo-Lux.html)

Wont be long till there are chinese knock offs !!
(if not already)

[chook73]

The TerraFirma website mentions Duo-Lux 7" Headlamp,
may be one of these


Wont be long till there are chinese knock offs !!
(if not already)

They are still commanding over $750 per lamp overseas.........

[Michael2]

They're all just so overpriced.

I'd rather a pair of LED headlights than an LED light bar, but not at those prices.

Here's something more reasonable, a 7" LED Hi/Lo Beam headlamp for a motorbike for $89.95 AUD, and it's in Australia!!!

3 Eyes LED Black Front Headlight - Third Gear (http://www.thirdgear.com.au/products/3-Eyes-LED-Black-Front-Headlight.html)

About time the universal 7" round headlights in LED started to come close to this price, then we'd all buy a set.

I wonder if it would fit in a Defender.

[Reads90]

The TerraFirma website mentions Duo-Lux 7" Headlamp,
may be one of these

http://www.autobiz.ie/uploadedfiles/t2_Ring_Duo-Lux_Headlamp_BHL147.jpg

The Ring Duo-Lux (http://www.autobiz.ie/news/The_Ring_Duo-Lux.html)

Wont be long till there are chinese knock offs !!
(if not already)

What makes you think the terrafirma are not making them in china now. Pretty much everything else they sell is.

[goingbush]

They're all just so overpriced.

I'd rather a pair of LED headlights than an LED light bar, but not at those prices.

Here's something more reasonable, a 7" LED Hi/Lo Beam headlamp for a motorbike for $89.95 AUD, and it's in Australia!!!

3 Eyes LED Black Front Headlight - Third Gear (http://www.thirdgear.com.au/products/3-Eyes-LED-Black-Front-Headlight.html)

About time the universal 7" round headlights in LED started to come close to this price, then we'd all buy a set.

I wonder if it would fit in a Defender.

I've bought stuff from Third Gear before, they have been excellent to date, I asked them if the lights could be removed from the housing and used to replace a standard 7" in a Harley, (if it fits a Harley it will fit a Defender)
here is the answer


You can remove the lights but it will take a bit of careful modding. No idea if they will fit the standard 7" that comes with a Harley set up. I have had other customers email and ask the same thing and they've purchased and never came back and say anything negative about the process. So I'm thinking it worked but I can't make any promises. They are not ADR compliant.

Well if I didnt already have my TruckLites I'd be buying a pair to tryout.

anyone want to be the guinea pig ??

[Michael2]

....anyone want to be the guinea pig ??

I'd do it, if they were ADR compliant, but I guess if that was the case he'd be out of stock within a day.

[Josh_WA]

The TerraFirma website mentions Duo-Lux 7" Headlamp,
may be one of these

The Ring Duo-Lux (http://www.autobiz.ie/news/The_Ring_Duo-Lux.html)

Wont be long till there are chinese knock offs !!
(if not already)

Mud stuff uk have been selling these for about 9 months at 1200 pounds a pair.... They would want to be the dogs dangalies for that kind of cash.

Cheers

[BenN]

Ordered a pair of truck lites before I found this thread, was able to get the pair for 350usd. I will posts photos when they are in. I don't think the price difference is worth it for it for jw speaker.

[isuzurover]

...

anyone want to be the guinea pig ??

I just ordered a pair. Will post up the result.

[goingbush]

I'm still walkabout at the moment, (Balranald CP now), havent done any night driving with the Truck Lites yet but will take comparo shots when I get home on the weekend.

[PAT303]

Has anyone tried Phillips Xtreme globes or the Osram nighteater globes?,why not a HID conversion?. Pat

[Drover]

Hey Pat,

I have had Phillips Extreme White bulb in for a couple of years. They were an improvement, but not huge and they were exy for what They delivered.

Still the light is reasonable white.

[BenN]

Anyone able to find a less expensive solution to the light kits being sold by bolt on bits for all the other lamps? I'm trying to go all led! The moisture here just gets in all the lenses and it is annoying as all hell.

[PAT303]

I'm going HID with my defender. Pat

[goingbush]

Heres the Comparison shots
TruckLite Phase5 vs standard H4 (wired via relays)

I took the H4 shots a few months ago but parked the car in the same spot & used the same camera settings F3.5 1/4 sec 400ASA but still the camera changed the colors as the H4 which run Diamond White bulbs are decidedly yellow in comparison (which can be seen in the H4 High + LED bar image, lower left, you can see the yellow of the H4 at the end of the driveway

The white rail fence other side of road is 80m away

As can be seen, the fact that the TruckLites dont dip to the left is of no consequense at all.
Ive yet to have anyone flash me.

The difference is more clear via the actual eyeball, eventho the camera was on Manual it still compensates somehow,
The TL lowbeam takes some getting used to, there is a dark spot in the middle and a very sharp cut off, if your behind a car their boot to bottom of rear window is brightly lit but you can not see in the window at all. Its like night & day literally.

still need some aiming fine adjustment, but you get the idea.

Worth the $400 no doubt, not only for the fact that I can see better ( the glare of reflective surfaces is less too) but they are only 30w each on high beam 15w on low ( which is about the same power consumption as your interior lamps), and the fact that they will outlast the car and are bulletproof (literally as found in Afghanistan)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/09/375.jpg

[slug_burner]

can you add one of the light bar without the other beams?

[isuzurover]

I see the TL5 allows you to pick out local wildlife much better :D

[Tombie]

Thanks for the shots...

Based on the fact it is camera shots its hard to tell, but I think you are getting a better light spread on Low Beam with Halogens (appears to be less shadowing).

High beam appears to be a mild improvement.

Obviously the infill of the LED bar is sweet...

As they say: Elkeen na hul eie :)

[goingbush]

can you add one of the light bar without the other beams?

the light bar is wired in to only be switched on when my high beams are on so I put some boards in front of my headlights for this image,
effectively it is LED Bar only

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/09/359.jpg


.

[goingbush]

Thanks for the shots...

Based on the fact it is camera shots its hard to tell, but I think you are getting a better light spread on Low Beam with Halogens (appears to be less shadowing).

High beam appears to be a mild improvement.

Obviously the infill of the LED bar is sweet...

As they say: Elkeen na hul eie :)

Agreed the Low Beams of the H4 is a better spread , The TruckLite Phase5 does have dark shadowy bits, If I'd known I'd have spent another $50 and got the Phase6 which fixes the problem, (6 LED's on Low beam plus better diffuser than the Phase 5 - 5 LED's on low) , Not such an issue when driving tho, (I'll upload some from the dashcam tomorrow)


.

[Tomo]

Thanks for all the photos!

Your standard H4 globes are 55/65w?

[BenN]

Anyone? Is bolt on bits the best solution (bang for your buck as we say).

Truck Lites arrived the other day. They are actually the exact 12v model made for the US military and look to have been swiped from an army stock.

I ended up getting the pair for 325USD shipped.

Be careful if you are looking on ebay, some of them are 24v and were removed from earlier retro-fitted vehicles.

[onesilop]

Do you need the adapting harness to install TruckLites on a defender?

[goingbush]

Do you need the adapting harness to install TruckLites on a defender?

no, they are a straight plug in replacment for a standard 7" H4 or sealed beam.
you dont even need relays as the very low current draw will never even hurt your Tdi headlamp switch.

[isuzurover]

I just ordered a pair. Will post up the result.

Not finished yet, but some first impressions. They were shipped promptly and arrived in unmarked boxes with no literature (e.g. a wiring diagram would have been nice).

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/isuzurover/LR_PICS/LED001.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/isuzurover/LR_PICS/LED002.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/isuzurover/LR_PICS/LED007.jpg

They are not quite 7". They measure ~6.5". My Lucas H4 in the IIA measure 6.85". This means that the standard retaining ring can pass over the top.

In order to fit them the lens housing will need the lip cut off and a disc made and screwed to them to increase the diameter to 7". The inner housing/bucket will also need some cutting so that the aluminium base plate/heatsink clears, unless they can sit proud.

I think I will wire them up first and compare light output and spread to see if it is worth it.

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/isuzurover/LR_PICS/LED003.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/isuzurover/LR_PICS/LED006.jpg

The top bulb seems to be low beam, and is angled down. The other 2 are high. Wiring: Green is soldered to GND on the low beam LED. White is soldered to "J" on the same LED. Blue is soldered to "Y" on one of the high beam boards, and Brown (white/black stripe) is soldered to "F". There is a wire running from a 2nd J terminal on the low beam board to a J terminal on the high beam. I am assuming the Brown wire is a separate ground for high beam???

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/isuzurover/LR_PICS/LED004.jpg

There are open rubber breathers in the base plate... So the lights would fill with water during deep wading. The clear plastic "lens" seems easy to scratch... Apart from that construction seems sturdy...



EDIT:
All housing removed, with 7" headlight ring.
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p29/isuzurover/LR_PICS/IMG_0058.jpg

[Corgie Carrier]

If you have a look at the ad on the web site it has the wiring explained


Green = Earth
Brown = Side / Park Light
Blue = High Beam
White = Low Beam

Hope this makes it easier.

I am keen to see how they turn out.

Neale

[goingbush]

Looks like its going to be a tricky conversion,
wonder if its easier to mount the complete unit from behind ??

thanks for posting.

[isuzurover]

Looks like its going to be a tricky conversion,
wonder if its easier to mount the complete unit from behind ??

thanks for posting.

That would be possible, however because of the two-bolt MC-type mount you would only get up/down adjustment.

[Beckford]

Speaker LED Headlight Insert | Buy 4x4 Land Rover Toyota Nissan Accessories and Parts Online Store | Expedition Centre Australia by Mulgo (http://www.expeditioncentre.com.au/online-store/electrics/lighting/speaker-led-headlight-insert.html)

Australian supplier for Speaker LED's.

On my wish list.

[Symo]

Have a set of speaker lexis got from Mulgo. Nice lights and worth every cent for low beam. Hi beam is ok ish. But low beam is fantastic. They fit like a bum on a bucket!!!!!:)

[Naks]

TruckLites arrived & fitted,

Mate, do the TruckLites have a position light as well?

[LoveB]

my only issue with the LEDS is from what I've seen the high beams suck :(

[chook73]

my only issue with the LEDS is from what I've seen the high beams suck :(

Nowhere near as badly as the stock headlamps!

[reddevl]

My employer has fitted J W Speaker LED replacement 7 inch headlamps to our fleet of 8 Kenworth roadtrains and they are brilliant. So far we must have run at least 2000 hrs with no problems. These run 24/7. Paid for themselves in no replacement downtime or lens breakage. Pity they don't come in Disco 1 size.

[Bushie]

Has anyone tried anything like these ?

New 50w LED H4 high/low beam headlight upgrade kit | SA LED Lighting & Accessories (http://www.saledlighting.com/collections/hid-head-light-kits/products/new-50w-led-h4-high-low-beam-headlight-upgrade-kit)


Martyn

[Chilly]

Has anyone tried anything like these ?

New 50w LED H4 high/low beam headlight upgrade kit | SA LED Lighting & Accessories (http://www.saledlighting.com/collections/hid-head-light-kits/products/new-50w-led-h4-high-low-beam-headlight-upgrade-kit)


Martyn

Hi,
Have asked if these are legal and was informed to ask local traffic authorities. Anyone now if these would be legal...happy to try if so...can get far cheaper from Ebay etc....

Chilly

[VladTepes]

If an Australian seller can't advise you whether they are ADR approved then the answer is NO. (or they'd say yes)

[jimb]

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Are these the same ones being sold in Australia for $800AU+? but these are $250US

[LoveB]

even if that was per pc thats not bad. its normally 800 per pc! I would imagine if its amazon it'll be the real deal

[DiscoMick]

The RACQ says LED headlights are not legal unless they are original fitting or have self-levelling. Just fitting LED lights in to replace standard lights is not legal, it says.


RACQ - Headlights | Cars & Driving (http://www.racq.com.au/cars-and-driving/safety-on-the-road/driving-safely/headlights#tab-phracq_body_1_phracq_contentcontainer_0_phracq_tab s_containerc034a2d8098d418d83769bd929beb6b4_3_divT ab)

[Blade74]

I've been running LED headlights for two years and never had an issue.
Just make sure you level them not to annoy anyone.
They generally have a fairly definite cutoff so not too hard to level them.
Trucklite phase 7 for me.
Cost around $600 a pair landed with shipping from memory.
I have an led lightbar in my bumper that comes on with high beam. Amazing lighting when I switch on high beam.

[patclan]

I've been running LED headlights for two years and never had an issue.
Just make sure you level them not to annoy anyone.
They generally have a fairly definite cutoff so not too hard to level them.
Trucklite phase 7 for me.
Cost around $600 a pair landed with shipping from memory.
I have an led lightbar in my bumper that comes on with high beam. Amazing lighting when I switch on high beam.

Same, I have the trucklite phase 7, had the US straight beam ones which do not break any ADR rules that I found, it states they can't point to the right which they don't. One of them failed, and the truck-lite rep in oz swapped them out for me for OZ approved ones that are definitely ADR approved, has the cert and all. There was a small charge for the upgrade of the non faulty light but was fair, really happy with them, been pulled over in a few booze tests and the police never mentioned them.

[DiscoMick]

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Vehicle-standards-and-modifications/Vehicle-modifications/Frequently-asked-questions-vehicle-standards-and-modifications.aspx#hid

The Queensland Department of Transport website says HID replacements are not permitted for several reasons. I couldn't find a reference to LEDs but if HIDs are not permitted then it seems unlikely LEDs would be OK.
Are there insurance issues if a vehicle is running unapproved headlights?

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[Michael2]

When I did Cape York a couple of years ago, every fuel tanker I saw in Queensland had LED head lights, JW Speaker ones.

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[nedflanders]

Bought some trucklite phase 7's from the UK, they are marked as ADR compliant and do dip left. Very happy with them, also paid for the looms so on side lights you also have two small leds in each headlight, look with the DRL's in the bumper too.

[karlz]

I looked up lights tonight on the way home from work. Seems like Narva have something to do with Trucklite, and have ADR approved 7" lights. Do a Search on "Narva 72102"

I got this as a price guide (http://www.westcoshop.com.au/product/5401/92888/narva-trucklite-72102-7-inch-178mm-h4-led-high-low-headlamp/)

Anyone for a group buy. Not necessarily that site?

[austastar]

I looked up lights tonight on the way home from work. Seems like Narva have something to do with Trucklite, and have ADR approved 7" lights. Do a Search on "Narva 72102"

I got this as a price guide (http://www.westcoshop.com.au/product/5401/92888/narva-trucklite-72102-7-inch-178mm-h4-led-high-low-headlamp/)

Anyone for a group buy. Not necessarily that site?
Hi,
Yes, definitely very interested.
Hobart address

Cheers

[karlz]

Created group buy thread Narva 72102 Trucklite (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/group-buy/222868-narva-72102-trucklite-led-headlights.html)

[patclan]

One thing I found out when talking to the Truck-Lite rep was that they had just bought Rigid Industries, so looks like they are spreading their wings and wont be just "truck Lights" they are selling, although it was hard to find a retailer of their lights in OZ when I needed my warranty replacement, hence the Rep sorted them out for me direct.

[DiscoMick]

I know there are HID/LED lights out there marked as ADR-compliant, but do they comply with this (from the Queensland Department of Transport website):


Can I replace my vehicle's headlight with High Intensity Discharge (HID) lamps?

Retro-fitting High Intensity Gas-Discharge (HID) headlight assemblies to vehicles not originally offered with the technology is generally not permissible as they do not comply with the Australian Design Rules in the following ways:

No headlight self-levelling device is fitted
No self-cleaning function is fitted
The design of the headlamp reflector is not compatible with the bulb (the light is not focused correctly)
So, for example, does this mean they do not comply unless they have self-levelling? As I read it ( and I certainly could be wrong) you can't just pull out a standard light and screw in a replacement and be compliant - is that right or wrong?

[ProjectDirector]

As far as I know they need to be self levelling. Our VWs have factory xenon headlights and they have self levelling and washers.

[JDNSW]

The requirement for self levelling (either suspension or lights) and washers/wipers is tied to the light output and not the technology. And applies to low beam only.

John

[DiscoMick]

The requirement for self levelling (either suspension or lights) and washers/wipers is tied to the light output and not the technology. And applies to low beam only.

John

Yes, I think that's correct - low beam has to be self-levelling to avoid blinding oncoming drivers.
I just wonder how many vehicles are running around with aftermarket HID/LED lights which are actually illegal. If it ever becomes an issue, say in a head-on crash, would their insurance be void? Could they actually be charged with causing an accident? Could they actually be successfully sued by another party and find their third party registration was void because their vehicle had an illegal modification and they were up for a huge bill?
I don't know, but it's an interesting question.

[JDNSW]

Yes, I think that's correct - low beam has to be self-levelling to avoid blinding oncoming drivers.
I just wonder how many vehicles are running around with aftermarket HID/LED lights which are actually illegal. If it ever becomes an issue, say in a head-on crash, would their insurance be void? Could they actually be charged with causing an accident? Could they actually be successfully sued by another party and find their third party registration was void because their vehicle had an illegal modification and they were up for a huge bill?
I don't know, but it's an interesting question.

I think all of this is the case, at least in theory. And the liability could spread even further - the sellers, unless they were marked for off road use only, and in many cases the mechanic who passed the car at annual inspections required in some states.

However, if the lights are aimed sensibly, it is unlikely that they would either be a major factor in an accident, or even if they were, be shown to be such in the investigation. The worst that is likely to happen is a roadworthiness defect by a policeman who thought they were too bright and had nothing better to do. There are many cars driving round that are technically unroadworthy, but few defects advertise their fitting quite so prominently!

John

John

[flagg]

I spoke to both an automotive engineer and an insurance assessor about this. If you make a claim, or one is made against you that is of a reasonable size they will inspect the vehicle. Anything non-standard and they will call an engineer. This costs them engineers rates but will be worth it if they don't have to pay out a claim. If the engineer declares it an illegal mod your insurance is void - period.

Tires are apparently the most common mod - I'm sure headlights will get that way.

I get flack each time I say this stuff but you also invalidate your 3rd party personal insurance - so you would be up for medical bills of others. Not worth it IMO.

[karlz]

an illegal mod ...

This is quite interesting. How do you know if what you are doing is an illegal mod or a legal mod. Are there any guidelines? For example, lets assume you remove your std bulb of whatever wattage it is, and replace it with one either higher or lower wattage or a different temperature. Is this illegal/Legal. What is it?

[DiscoMick]

I don't know, but its an interesting question.

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[austastar]

Hi,
I would imagine if you had the lights aligned professionaly and they could be adjusted to the calibration required, that would be the tick of approval.
Cheers

[JDNSW]

There are only a few aspects of car modifications that are specifically covered by regulation - and these include both tyres and lights, although as far as lights are concerned the rules are less specific - but they do have specific rules about headlight wipers and washers for low beam lights above a specified brightness, and are also quite specific about the allowable beam pattern for low beam.

But they are not as specific as the rules on tyres, where it is pretty much laid out exactly what you can do as far as diameter, width, track etc .

I rather doubt that insurance can be made void where a modification is illegal unless it can be shown to have contributed to the loss, and the same for the compulsory third party. They will use engineers to try and attribute the cause of the accident to a modification, for example, but if the modification has no bearing on the accident (e.g. lighting in a daylight accident when lights were off), the insurance company cannot use this to escape liability (law changed from memory ten or fifteen years ago).

Which does not mean they won't try, and certainly you could expect them to point out to police any illegal modifications, which they may or may not act on. I saw the same sort of thing in a fire claim on my son's house several years ago - the insurer employed an investigator who freely admitted that what he was looking for was to be able to show that the fire was due to a faulty appliance and they would be able to sue the maker. (Fire cause is unknown, but probably a child + matches)

John

[karlz]

Still interesting, and trying to keep this thread on topic re lights. Would you need to inform you insurer you have changed to LED lights? I mean, they ask you if you have made any mods. Is changing a bulb from non-standard issue LR brand bulb to say a Philips a mod?

[Tombie]

Still interesting, and trying to keep this thread on topic re lights. Would you need to inform you insurer you have changed to LED lights? I mean, they ask you if you have made any mods. Is changing a bulb from non-standard issue LR brand bulb to say a Philips a mod?


Bulbs come in a specification. A change from specification (approved specification) is illegal.

ADRs for lighting are VERY specific and include cut off, Max light by angle, max luminance, colour temperature, light spread and required light at specific positions from the reflector.

HID has a specific set regarding Auto levelling AND washers.

So yes, there are rules for ALL modifications. Some are being reviewed in light (pun) of technological developments, and will change accordingly. An example is single light bars in SA are recognised.

[slug_burner]

And we have all heard about LED bars that are only accepted in QLD if they have a piece of black tape in the centre.

[AndyG]

I am intrigued by Led bars mounted on bull bars and blocking the Los of the driver, even if by a trivial amount. Plus possibly being considered a pedestrian hazard
Legal or Illegal?

[JDNSW]

.....

HID has a specific set regarding Auto levelling AND washers.

.....

No, HID is not specified - it is the brightness (that includes all HID lights) that is specified, and this may include some LED lights.

At least some HID lights are likely to also fall foul of colour temperature rules, and any replacement of bulbs with HID lights in reflectors designed for metal filaments will certainly fail on beam shape.

An interesting question of course is the legal position of vehicles that predate these ADRs - there were no ADRs for most of Series 1 and 2/2a production, and I don't think these very detailed lighting ADRs came in until well into Defender production. (Earlier rules, varying between states, would have been vaguer, and more subjective)

John

[DiscoClax]

Throwing my hat into the ring as well... Please be mindful there is a big difference between a replacement lamp unit (entire headlamp assy, as an example) and a globe-replacement. A lamp unit can be made to work with all the components together correctly and be compliant. e-mark, ADR, etc compliance can be obtained, and if fitted according to the requirements will be legal and safe. Many of the quality LED replacement headlamp assemblies (JW Speaker, etc) are a legal modification with exceptional lighting performance. Many heavy trucks now run these as they produce better lighting and are extremely long-lived. However, putting a HID or LED GLOBE into an existing lamp unit with a reflector designed for a specific incandescent globe will almost definitely not meet the requirements (cut-off, glare, etc) and therefore will be an illegal and unsafe modification, with all of the issues that can go with that. Technically a globe outputting less than 2000 lumens can be used in a dipped (low) beam, but these aren't common (typically around 20-25W HID) and generally aren't the right colour anyway for legality, and they would still need to meet the glare and cut-off requirements, etc. which most wouldn't. And this would give you similar lighting to a good conventional globe anyway, so pointless really. Irrespective of the ADR13 washers and levelling requirements or any of the other side discussions. And an e-mark for a LHD product does not mean it's legal in Australia (RHD). It actually pretty much guarantees it is illegal in Australia as the cut-off goes the wrong way. You see inconsiderate drivers regularly with their HID-converted massive ball of blue-white light blazing out the front of their cars in all directions blinding everyone. Sure, they can see a bit better, but everyone else is struggling to and has their visibility significantly compromised. Safe? Considerate? Sure as hell not legal.

Others here have touched on rendered colour also and this is also a factor. 6000K plus is illegal. Period. Legal headlighting needs to be sub-4300K. HID globes need to be 'burned in' on the very first striking of the arc. Philips do this on every HID globe they manufacture and it takes up to a half-hour under controlled conditions. The globe is also checked for light output and colour, etc and rejected if not compliant. All OEM globes are produced this way and will show the signs of being lightly used when bought new. Cheapie kits just knock out a globe and stick it in a box. They may fire them up for a few seconds to check they work before packing them, thereby effectively setting them wrong. The first time you fire them up the colour will be set depending on how long you leave them on, how warm it is, the voltage, how humid it is, etc. Basically you have little or no control over it and they will almost definitely be illegal for light output and colour if for no other reason.

Note that a HID globe conversion for your high-beams only is fully legal as long as the low beams remain illuminated when they are operating. Low-beams are a no-no as detailed above. So H4 can't be done, has to be separate element (like on D2a, as one example). The regs are written around some common-sense here - Basically you only use your high-beams when no-one else is around (right?) so you can have the light-of-a-thousand-suns being emitted from your high beams... sort of.

Upping the wattage of low beams using conventional incandescent globes is also illegal. Must be 55W for cars and 75W for trucks. There are up-rated standard-wattage options out there that are legal and compliant (using different filament materials and gasses to improve light output at similar heat and UV levels). These will be clearly marked as ADR compliant on the packaging. I run Philips +100s (fully legal) and they definitely are a worthwhile upgrade to the standard globes and totally safe with full UV-cut. High wattages will degrade your polycarbonate lenses quickly anyway, if the extra UV doesn't yellow them first. So you end up with less light output than standard in a short time. Pointless. Common issue especially on EF/EF Falcons and VR/VS Commodores of the same era.

Another thing to note is, although not really enforced as far as I am aware at this time, the applicable fines for having non-compliant lighting are truly staggering. Well into five figures per light element (ie. per globe, etc). In theory at least, a non-complaint HID globe conversion could cost you $30k plus in fines if they decided to actually enforce the law to the full extent.

If you have a Defo and the readies to do it then go ahead and put a quality LED replacement headlamp set in (with the associated hardware required to be fully compliant). They are excellent, legal, safe and will not cause distress to other drivers.

For what it's worth, LED tail-lights also fall under similar regs for colour, brilliance and glare, etc. Please consider buying e-mark or ADR compliant ones for your trailer, etc and avoid the non-compliant cheapies. Following a vehicle fitted with cheap-and-nasty glary (is that a word?) tail-lights is extremely tiring and distracting at best.


Long post and no-doubt there will be those that want to become outraged and tear this apart. I have attempted to remove some of the confusion and myths surrounding these things and hopefully it will be viewed in that light. To the best of my knowledge all of the above it true and accurate at the time of posting.

[Tombie]

No, HID is not specified - it is the brightness (that includes all HID lights) that is specified, and this may include some LED lights.

At least some HID lights are likely to also fall foul of colour temperature rules, and any replacement of bulbs with HID lights in reflectors designed for metal filaments will certainly fail on beam shape.

An interesting question of course is the legal position of vehicles that predate these ADRs - there were no ADRs for most of Series 1 and 2/2a production, and I don't think these very detailed lighting ADRs came in until well into Defender production. (Earlier rules, varying between states, would have been vaguer, and more subjective)

John

But it is...


HID lights producing more than 2000 lumens (a measure of light) may be fitted to dipped beam (low beam) lights on road vehicles. However, the vehicle's lights must also align to ADR13 have headlamp cleaning devices (washer jets or wiper) and have self-levelling systems to prevent the brighter lights being projected into oncoming vehicles.


The road rules prohibits against dazzling another road user with bright vehicle lights.


Higher powered lights with a higher end white colour, such as Phillips Crystal Vision 4300K (Kelvin) are not allowed for road use.

[Tombie]

And here... 77/00 and 78/00

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=96789&stc=1&d=1437620865

[DiscoMick]

Some very interesting posts here, thanks guys.


I've long thought that many of the modified trucks being featured in our magazines are probably illegal for various reasons, lighting being one of them in many cases.


So, to summarize, my take on this is:
Leave the low beam alone. High beam can upgraded. The Phillips/Narva replacement globes with + output should be OK. ADR-approved replacements with self-levelling etc should be OK.
Is that right?


Gotta say, the Defender's lights, plus the pair of spotties, are all I need.

[Wolfman_TWP]

Can anyone tell me how these LED upgrades will effect the lamp height mechanics that the Defenders have?? (Which is operated by the 4 position switch on the dash)

So I would gather that the current defender head lights are not self levelling?

Wolf

[nedflanders]

Can anyone tell me how these LED upgrades will effect the lamp height mechanics that the Defenders have?? (Which is operated by the 4 position switch on the dash)

So I would gather that the current defender head lights are not self levelling?

Wolf

I have the Trucklites Phase 7, they use the securing ring from your original headlight and fit inside the original bowl so headlight height adjustment still works and isn't effected at all.

[YOLO110]

I read today that consideration is being given to change the NT from a territory to a state...

... it seems like the whole of OZ is turning into a state... a nanny state!:no2:

[YOLO110]

I wonder if the Defender 'Autiobiography' owners will have to remove their LED lights in case they cause multiple head on collisions!

[DiscoMick]

I think factory fits have to comply with ADRs so no problems there.

[karlz]

So after due consideration, looks like LED's are safe to fit, and wont be an issue with your insurance company.

I'll order some shortly.
Only problem now, is Nolden or Trucklite (aka Narva)

[JDNSW]

So after due consideration, looks like ADR approved LED's are safe to fit, and wont be an issue with your insurance company.

......

There, fixed it for you.

John

[cookie monster]

One other option to consider are the ARB replacement headlights for the defender. They come with a wiring loom and 110/80w globes. Fully ADR compliant.
Approx $350+$100 for fitting if required.
Cheers Cookie

[PAT303]

Thats a lot of money for nothing,Drivesafes upgraded loom and OEM upgraded globes are less than half that for the same result. Pat

[cookie monster]

Maybe Pat, just putting it out there.
Being new to defender's I don't know all the tricks and tips.
Although, I don't find the MY15 defenders lights too bad for standard issue.
Cheers Cookie

[austastar]

Maybe Pat, just putting it out there.
Being new to defender's I don't know all the tricks and tips.
Although, I don't find the MY15 defenders lights too bad for standard issue.
Cheers Cookie
Hi, I did notice a big improvement with the Traxide kit, but I'm still exploring the LED options.
Cheers

[rick130]

How well do the LED 7" headlights throw ?
I realise their fill light is excellent, but my understanding is that LED still has a way to go to match the throw of halogen or HID.

Are they yet at a stage to compete with a pair of good old Cibie Z beams with 100/90w H4 globes and relays on high beam ?

[PAT303]

Rick,I have a traxide kit and nighteater globes in the Tdi and standard loom with OEM LR globes,can't remember the name but had them dealer fitted in the TDCi,the Tdi's are better.A mate with a wrangler has the Trucklight LED's and I'm not that impressed with them,I'm on the fence ATM,I was going TL until I saw them,the cheap Cree LED's have a better pattern,another mate with a Patrol has them and they are very good for the price but I want Noldens in the TDCi,I might go Cree in the Tdi or just fit the High Crystal out of the TDCi when that gets LED's. Pat

[ozscott]

My D2 fix was Osram Nightbreaker Extreme bulbs from Germany (legal wattage but much cleaner, brighter white light) and Super Cibie Oscars. Great combo. Had them for years. Legal and sweet driving. Cheers

[rick130]

Thanks Pat,

I'm staying with the old Cibies until a rock goes through them.

One of them dates back to the mid nineties in the ex's GQ, when she got the GU in '01 they went in the Defender (i put Super Oscars on her Patrol to compensate) and twelve months later a rock took one out so I've had a good run out of them.

[karlz]

[QUOTE=rick130;2396573]Thanks Pat,

I'm staying with the old Cibies until a rock goes through them.
/QUOTE]

But this thread is about LED headlights, not spotties etc...
Spots are another story, and I doubt LED wouldnt even come close.

Get focused Rick :)

[rick130]

[QUOTE=rick130;2396573]Thanks Pat,

I'm staying with the old Cibies until a rock goes through them.
/QUOTE]

But this thread is about LED headlights, not spotties etc...
Spots are another story, and I doubt LED wouldnt even come close.

Get focused Rick :)
Umm, Pat and I are talking headlights.
I have Cibie Z beams. 7" round, take H4 globes ;-)

I wanted to know how the LED's compared to what has been the standard in 7" headlights for the last forty years.

[DiscoClax]

Just another thought....

I just saw a few references to significant electronics issues being seen by some with late-model cars. From as mild as a TPMS not working correctly or the odd warning light or major radio interference to safety devices not working (ESC/TC) and electric assisted active steering going haywire (ie. your car tries to actively drive off the road... scary) when aftermarket, non-compliant HID systems have been fitted. This could also be true of LED or any other device, but HIDs are generally more likely due to the high voltages and active arc involved. Given the greater level of electronics eeking their way into even the 'basic' LR product it may be worth looking into before altering any system that could potentially emit RF signals and/or interfere with your vehicle's sensitive electronics. Again, you are pretty safe with anything e-mark or ADR (or equivalent) as part of that certification process includes wide-spectrum measuring and assessing of emissions and other sources of interference.

For one example please refer near the bottom of the page (the last two paragraphs before the "Please Note") in the following link - Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply (http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html)

On a Lexus forum, an experience quoted after the fitment of an aftermarket HID kit -
"Then...

Last night out of nowhere, I hop in my car as usual to leave work and as soon as I touch the steering wheel this (see video below) happens:

I cant even begin to explain how powerful the motor is that controls the p/s. Every time I opposed the direction it was turning, it would violently disagree and do 180 degrees in the opposite direction. I could barely keep the wheel still i If wanted to. If I was an old lady, the steering wheel could have easily broken my arm/wrist...

Read more: http://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-2nd-gen-2006-2013/466736-p-s-power-steering-out.html#ixzz3h9CnVJQr"


I must admit that wasn't something I had considered could be an effect of these conversions as safety systems are generally pretty well-shielded and/or robust against interference. You live and learn...

[Rig110]

Hi DiscoClax - This definitely applies to some vehicles, particularly those with hi tech electronics. My experience is that tdci defenders (while considered full of electrickery for a defender) are not hi tech in the world of general modern day motor vehicles (Lexus, hacked Jeeps, etc ) :)

[DiscoClax]

T'was intended more as a general warning for those with more 'sophisticated' vehicles, rather than specific to Defos.... at least up to this generation thereof.

[PantherPeople]

Currently looking into the LED replacements as well for a 2013 Defender 90.
Saw these on eBay:
LED Pair 7" Headlight Land Rover Defender 40W Landrover Projector Head Light | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LED-Pair-7-Headlight-Land-Rover-Defender-40W-Landrover-Projector-Head-Light-/271949161917?hash=item3f516ee5bd)

Anyone had or heard of anything similar?
I don't care much for the 'look' of LEDs, just want functionality & increased performance.

Cheers.

[BigJon]

I wanted to know how the LED's compared to what has been the standard in 7" headlights for the last forty years.

I have LED headlights in my Rangie, replacing IPF inserts. I got muddy water in one of the headlights, hence the need to change.
I think if I had my time again I wouldn't bother with the LED lights. They are OK, but I don't think they are as good as good quality (the important part!) halogen headlights.

[karlz]

think if I had my time again I wouldn't bother with the LED lights. They are OK, but I don't think they are as good as good quality (the important part!) halogen headlights.

Thats what I ended up doing.
I replaced the standard Halogens with some Philips 130's Xtreme.

< $100, the lights are significantly better.

Also, dont forget, white lights = not good for vision.

Most people dont know, including myself at the time, that the bright white lights look great on the car, but for penetration especially when its wet and rainy (please no puns), off white are better for vision.

[BadCo.]

Easier on the eyes too!

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[Chenz]

Having read all of the posts and looked at all of the links I am still none the wiser as to what can I legally replace the standard headlights with on my 130 2009 Defender.

The current lights are woeful and I would like to improve these legally.

[BadCo.]

Having read all of the posts and looked at all of the links I am still none the wiser as to what can I legally replace the standard headlights with on my 130 2009 Defender.

The current lights are woeful and I would like to improve these legally.

Legally?

Well what I did is a Traxide wiring upgrade, with some Wipac Crystal Halogens, and some 90/100w globes. They are ridiculously better then stock sealed beam and a ton cheaper then LEDs.

[zapt]

Hi Guys,
Where is the cheapest to buy jw speaker led head lights from?
Also which model suits and do they bolt straight in?
Went on speakers webpage and they have heaps models which only state jeep compatible though seen them on heaps kenworths.

Cheers

Zapt

[GypsySamuraiAnt]

I got these from the UK mate

LED + Angel Eye Headlamps 7" - RHD ?249.17 - LIGHTING - Headlights Flatdog UK (http://www.flatdoguk.com/led-%2B-angel-eye-headlamps-7%22---rhd~1527)

simple to install just need to adjust the adjuster screws a little to zero them in against a wall.

to make the install even easier I got these for the angel eye running lights which are simple plug and play too

MUD Piggy Back Wiring Loom - Exterior Lighting - Electrical - Products (http://www.mudstuff.co.uk/products/electrical/exterior-lighting/mud-piggy-back-wiring-loom.html)

I didn't realise Flatdog could supply MudUK stuff which would have saved postage so don't forget to ask

Very, very happy with the result at night and they look great!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/807.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/11/369.jpg

[Michael2]

Last time I looked, the cheapest place was a trucking supply company either in Albury Wodonga or maybe Dubbo from memory. So have a look at truck magazines / web sites.

I got the truck-lite phase 7s for $200 each from an importer in Bayswater Vic, but I haven't seen then advertise since.

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[enchappo]

Hi Guys,
Where is the cheapest to buy jw speaker led head lights from?
Also which model suits and do they bolt straight in?
Went on speakers webpage and they have heaps models which only state jeep compatible though seen them on heaps kenworths.

Cheers

Zapt

Hey Zapt,

I've got a spare pair of the JW Speaker 8700 Evo 2s, same as I have on my deefer. Still haven't got around to putting them up for sale on the forum. They're the military style, symmetrical beam unit: http://www.jwspeaker.com/products/le...ion-2/0549701/ (http://www.jwspeaker.com/products/led-headlights-model-8700-evolution-2/0549701/). They bolted straight in, and I'm super happy with mine. Just send me a PM if you want to talk further.

Cheers,
Nick

[dick180641]

I bought a pair from "AC DC LED LIGHTS, at 1/48 Bullockhead Street Sumner Park" just south of Brisbane. They are quite effective, certainly better that the original County lights. Cost $150.00 and I fitted them. Dick

[PAT303]

I found a new type,Osram Sylvania,they look like a good light. Pat

[DiscoMick]

The ones below aren't headlights I know, but they are vehicle lights. This crowd are just near me, so I might go have a look at them soon. They do have some interesting types of LED lights and I've seen their displays at 4WD shows.


LED Work Light | Outdoor and Camp| Product | Dream lighting (http://www.dreamlighting.com.au/product3j/Outdoor%20and%20camp/LED%20Work%20Light.html)

[Babs]

Has anyone checked out the Mulgo speaker lights

Speaker Headlight Insert LED 8700 Series EVO - black


http://www.expeditioncentre.com.au/online-store/touring/lighting/speaker-led-headlight-insert.html

Does anyone have info on a comparison?

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[Babs]

Answered my own question

http://youtu.be/It1gNeBVnQI

http://youtu.be/8AR2XHtrTyw

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[scott oz]

Has anyone checked out the Mulgo speaker lights

Speaker Headlight Insert LED 8700 Series EVO - black


Speaker LED Headlight Insert | Buy 4x4 Land Rover Toyota Nissan Accessories and Parts Online Store | Expedition Centre Australia by Mulgo (http://www.expeditioncentre.com.au/online-store/touring/lighting/speaker-led-headlight-insert.html)

Does anyone have info on a comparison?

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Yes


$AUD400 to $AUD 1,600

[TeamFA]

I bought a pair from "AC DC LED LIGHTS, at 1/48 Bullockhead Street Sumner Park" just south of Brisbane. They are quite effective, certainly better that the original County lights. Cost $150.00 and I fitted them. Dick

Do you have a link to those?

[ozeraser]

*sorry if already mentioned*
There was this group buy for these
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/group-buy/223803-nolden-7-defender-led-headlights.html

[Captain_Rightfoot]

So, I've got a 2005 TD5. The lights are PP. I put some of those philips really bright lights in there.. it made a little bit of difference. They've gone from Ppoor to just poor now.

Can anyone confirm if a traxide light relay upgrade will make them much brighter?

[Don 130]

So, I've got a 2005 TD5. The lights are PP. I put some of those philips really bright lights in there.. it made a little bit of difference. They've gone from Ppoor to just poor now.

Can anyone confirm if a traxide light relay upgrade will make them much brighter?


I worked for me, but I'd also replaced the semi sealed units with Cibie inserts. A comment from a Puma driver who was passenger in my 130 a couple of weeks ago. 'Bloody hell your lights are heaps better that mine, I'm having what you've got'.
Don.

[Vern]

I worked for me, but I'd also replaced the semi sealed units with Cibie inserts. A comment from a Puma driver who was passenger in my 130 a couple of weeks ago. 'Bloody hell your lights are heaps better that mine, I'm having what you've got'.
Don.
Don, how much for the cibie inserts? I have had a look at these. I really hate the light colour of led so want to keep halogens.

[DiscoMick]

So, I've got a 2005 TD5. The lights are PP. I put some of those philips really bright lights in there.. it made a little bit of difference. They've gone from Ppoor to just poor now.

Can anyone confirm if a traxide light relay upgrade will make them much brighter?
It could only help.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I worked for me, but I'd also replaced the semi sealed units with Cibie inserts. A comment from a Puma driver who was passenger in my 130 a couple of weeks ago. 'Bloody hell your lights are heaps better that mine, I'm having what you've got'.
Don.
I googled "Cibie inserts" and didn't get anything tremendously helpful. Can you provide a link? Thank you! [bigsmile1]

[Vern]

K C Hilites do them as well

[jon3950]

Here's the Cibie inserts:
http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/headlights/cibie-7-inch-e-approved-headlight-conversions

I've done the Traxide and Philips +130% upgrade and now I've done some decent night driving I think the combination is brilliant. Significant difference to standard.

Cheers,
Jon

[Don 130]

I think I paid $200+ delivered with bulbs. they came from an electrical wholesaler, I can't remember who, it's a long time ago. Here are a couple of links though, one each for Hella and Cibie. The prices are much the same as before. I searched; semi sealed beam headlamps 7" inserts

Genuine HELLA High/Low Beam Headlight Insert - 178MM Halogen H4 Size - P/N 1056 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Genuine-HELLA-High-Low-Beam-Headlight-Insert-178MM-Halogen-H4-Size-P-N-1056-/252722152918?_trksid=p2385738.m2548.l4275)

Go to 'partsales.com', then search 'Cibie Replacement Lens & Reflector Round Convex 7" High/low Beam' (they won't allow a link to be copied)



Before committing to buy any insert. Make sure it's for right hand drive/ left hand traffic. (RHD/LHT)

Don.

[Vern]

I have a couple of brand new sets of the hella ones stashed away somewhere, this just reminded me😊

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Ok, so I went and did the experiment. With the engine running with the headlights on high beam, the alternator voltage is 13.7, and the voltage on the headlight plug is 11.6.That's more significant than I was expecting.

I might go down the headlight relay alley first. At any rate, it should protect the stupid headlight switch which I've already had to replace.

Also, the headlights themselves are somewhat full of red dust. I reckon a bit of a washout might help. [bigsmile]

My biggest problem with the whole system... is my light bar is driven by a relay and is plenty bright. However when you have an oncoming car and you have to dip the beam it's like you are plunging down a mineshaft with a miners lamp. So I'm not chasing high beam.. more low beam.

[Vern]

Do the relay upgrade, then look at better globes.

[Don 130]

Ok, so I went and did the experiment. With the engine running with the headlights on high beam, the alternator voltage is 13.7, and the voltage on the headlight plug is 11.6.That's more significant than I was expecting.

I might go down the headlight relay alley first. At any rate, it should protect the stupid headlight switch which I've already had to replace.

Also, the headlights themselves are somewhat full of red dust. I reckon a bit of a washout might help. [bigsmile]

My biggest problem with the whole system... is my light bar is driven by a relay and is plenty bright. However when you have an oncoming car and you have to dip the beam it's like you are plunging down a mineshaft with a miners lamp. So I'm not chasing high beam.. more low beam.

I'd suggest traxide's headlight and driving light upgrade, as that sidelines the headlight switch and gives you beefier wiring.
Don.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

I'd suggest traxide's headlight and driving light upgrade, as that sidelines the headlight switch ad gives you beefier wiring.
Don.
Ordered this morning. [bigsmile]

[Don 130]

A search of the archives has revealed the merchant I got mine from. It seems they are still Cibie agents.

R.B. Maher Electric Pty.Ltd (http://www.maherelectric.com.au/default.php?inc=categoryproduct&catagoryid=4)

Don.

[BadCo.]

So, I've got a 2005 TD5. The lights are PP. I put some of those philips really bright lights in there.. it made a little bit of difference. They've gone from Ppoor to just poor now.

Can anyone confirm if a traxide light relay upgrade will make them much brighter?

You don't need LED Headlights to get good light output (I personally don't like the colour of LEDs, why hell you want to mimic daylight colour is beyond me), a traxide kit, Wipac Crystal Headlights and some good globes makes a world of difference.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

You don't need LED Headlights to get good light output (I personally don't like the colour of LEDs, why hell you want to mimic daylight colour is beyond me), a traxide kit, Wipac Crystal Headlights and some good globes makes a world of difference.

Thanks... I've ordered the Traxide kit. I've already got the good phillips bulbs in there.. so I'll report back as to how much difference an extra 2v makes at the bulb. Crossed fingers should be good.

[BadCo.]

Thanks... I've ordered the Traxide kit. I've already got the good phillips bulbs in there.. so I'll report back as to how much difference an extra 2v makes at the bulb. Crossed fingers should be good.

It's a combination of all three, if you have good lamps and good power but poo reflectors you are still going to get bad light spread.

PM678 | Wipac Crystal Halogen Headlamp Conversion Kit (pair) - left hand dip (UK and Australia) - Paddock Spares (http://www.paddockspares.com/pm678-wipac-crystal-halogen-headlamp-conversion-kit-pair-left-hand-dip-uk-and-australia.html)

If you are converting from sealed beam then you might need half bowls.

[DFNDR90]

FWIW, I installed a Defender Traxide headlight and driving light kit (had it left over from my previous 90) on a GQ Patrol with Narva reflectors + globes. The output difference and beam cutoff were significantly better. Well worth the upgrade and a great piece of kit.

I'll be ordering another kit for my new 90 sometime soon. [thumbsupbig]

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Oh My Deity Of Choice! Just finished the traxide update. Unbelievable. Can't wait to take the car out at night - but even in the day it's incredible!

What a miracle an extra 2v at the front makes. [bigsmile]

[weeds]

Oh My Deity Of Choice! Just finished the traxide update. Unbelievable. Can't wait to take the car out at night - but even in the day it's incredible!

What a miracle an extra 2v at the front makes. [bigsmile]

It's nearly dark......

[TeamFA]

My biggest problem with the whole system... is my light bar is driven by a relay and is plenty bright. However when you have an oncoming car and you have to dip the beam it's like you are plunging down a mineshaft with a miners lamp. So I'm not chasing high beam.. more low beam.

This is why I don't run any spotlights or light bars... if you're using them on the road, they're great while you're using them, but as soon as you have to dip you are worse off.

And when there's nothing oncoming, or when you're off-road, a good set of bulbs and dedicated wiring to the lights is plenty bright enough.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

This is why I don't run any spotlights or light bars... if you're using them on the road, they're great while you're using them, but as soon as you have to dip you are worse off.

And when there's nothing oncoming, or when you're off-road, a good set of bulbs and dedicated wiring to the lights is plenty bright enough.

I think the standard low beams are now adequate to fill the gap! :) Having said that.. I understand and appreciate your point.

[Tins]

This is why I don't run any spotlights or light bars... if you're using them on the road, they're great while you're using them, but as soon as you have to dip you are worse off.

I love this forum. We can all agree, or not. Having spent a good part of my 45 years with a Driver's Licence on the highways and bi-ways, I don't agree. I want the absolute best lights I can get for any situation. So, great high beams with switchable spotties. Switchable, because I won't always need them. Great low beams, something often overlooked, so that when I have to dip I can clearly pick up the roadside and delineators, so I don't run off. This is particularly important if the bloke coming the other way does not dip, something becoming increasingly more common. Great low beams so that I don't collide with a parked car or somesuch. Proper fog lights as well.


And when there's nothing oncoming, or when you're off-road, a good set of bulbs and dedicated wiring to the lights is plenty bright enough.

This is where I use my light bar. It's mounted high, so not legal to use on the road, where it's useless anyway, but up there it shows up troughs, ditches, washaways, low hanging branches, and also spreads so I can see alternative tracks or wheel marks. It gives no real depth of field though.

There have been a few disagreements on this forum about LEDs. I an quite happy with my LED lights on my D1. It is never going to be a highway tourer, but in the high country it's lights [ LED headlights, LED spotties and LED lightbar on the roof rack] work just fine. The D2 has all incandescent, with IPA spotties (one throw, one spread) and Phillips 'hanged if I can remember right now' HP globes. The spotties give good warning of upcoming junctions, provided they are signed, they pick up animal eyes, and throw light beyond my brakes, which I need.

[weeds]

I agree with captain right foot and teamFA......

I'm currently doing lots of return trips Brisbane to Miles and back

I have been turning the FRYLYT's off at times as when the incoming traffic has powerful driving light we both drop early therefore driving on low beam for longer periods of time

I did an experiment awhile ago......when the other car/truck dropped lights I only turned off driving light....leaving hi-beam on giving me better light, than as we get closer I drop the hi-beam....worked well and didn't bother the on-coming traffic except once when I forgot to drop high beam.