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SVX37
15th July 2012, 06:46 PM
Hi all,

Has anyone got one of these or similar fitted?

http://www.davisperformance.com/davis_performance.data/Diagrams/parts/water_trap_over.jpg (http://www.davisperformance.com/davis_performance.data/Diagrams/parts/water_trap2.jpg)


After your thoughts as I have been reading a bit about them and they seem to be a very sensible choice...

Water Trap
Since the introduction of the Common Rail Diesel engines there has been a large increase in fuel issues with Land Rover vehicles. The main concern is the intake of water through the fuel injection system. If you do get contaminated fuel, any water in the system could result in a complete replacement of the pump and injectors.
Should this occur your warranty would not be recognised until the pump and injectors are replaced at your expense. The installation of the water watch trap assembly from Davis Performance Landys will enhance the original filtration system by collecting the water and give you an audible alarm should water be detected in the fuel.
It will also detect very small amounts of free water, bringing on a LED warning light and audible warning.
Water Watch can also be optioned with the added protection of shut down or back to base warning capability."
"Water Watch" does not replace your vehicles genuine filter assembly, and is fitted prior to the original unit to assist in warning of water entering the vehicle fuel system.
Refuelling from jerry cans can be a common cause of water. Moisture can build up inside empty containers through contraction of the air.

Blknight.aus
15th July 2012, 07:02 PM
a similar item is an OEM fit out on all pre my99 TD5 spec landrover diesels. The same item is compatible with the fuel line size on the puma with the fittings from the earlier models. (so for the adaptors to suit use the early model line joint part numbers)

its not compatible with the Td5 due to the operating pressures of the fuel system.

on a full run through the fuel system between the main WVO tank and the injection pump I have 5 water seperators I vary rarely have had water past the second one.

If it worked back in the 60's when fuel quality was well below where it should be now it should still work today. :)

Lorryman100
16th July 2012, 01:59 AM
Don't suppose you have the relevant part numbers? Saves me from ordering the wrong bits for my Puma. ;)


Brian.

Blknight.aus
16th July 2012, 04:27 AM
nope, I've never had to replace one.

Drover
16th July 2012, 06:12 AM
I have been looking at this one, I have exchanged a couple of emails and the rep states that it is striaght up fitment to the PUMA, not sure about that.

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It is cheaper to buy direct from the company, just email them from their web page. It was about $280.

Cheers

Lorryman100
16th July 2012, 06:22 AM
Drover, that is the one I was looking at as well. In fact this website lists it for the Puma and other Land rovers.

FRP1005: Filter + Sedimentor assy RACCOR RA230 (RACOR prefilter) - Land Rover Defender 110 - Euro4x4parts.com (http://www.euro4x4parts.com/parts/frp1005-5215_filter_sedimentor_assy_raccor_ra230.html)

I think I will give them a bell and see exactly what other bits I will need to order to do the install.


Brian.

101RRS
16th July 2012, 11:48 AM
This is a good system

Responsive Engineering | Water Testing System | Diesel Filtration | Water Watch (http://www.responsiveengineering.com.au/6306/Home/)

Drover
16th July 2012, 02:52 PM
Drover, that is the one I was looking at as well. In fact this website lists it for the Puma and other Land rovers.

FRP1005: Filter + Sedimentor assy RACCOR RA230 (RACOR prefilter) - Land Rover Defender 110 - Euro4x4parts.com (http://www.euro4x4parts.com/parts/frp1005-5215_filter_sedimentor_assy_raccor_ra230.html)

I think I will give them a bell and see exactly what other bits I will need to order to do the install.


Brian.

Thanks Brian,

Could you post on here any extra info you find out. The added protection is very appealing.

Cheers
Grant

sashadidi
16th July 2012, 04:39 PM
I have a Racor 230r fitted as described above on my Puma, works great and catches water!!! on a few pumas here in NZ
See:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/149741-fitted-succesfully-extra-racor-fuel-filter-water-seperator-puma-fuel-system.html

photos on page 2

Lorryman100
18th July 2012, 01:04 AM
Spoke to euro 4x4 about the Raccor RA230 and it is not a like for like replacement for the OEM filter housing. Instead it is a separate unit which is added in addition to the OEM filter between the tank and the OEM filter. The parts needed are the filter unit and a couple of Raccor fittings which are easily obtainable. My thinking is 2 x 90 degree barbed elbows and cutting into the tank feed to fit the elbows onto. The only issue is that the elbows come with two hose fitting sizes, 8 and 10 mm. The straight barbed connectors however come in 6,8 and 10 mm. I will have a word with my local LR parts department about the hose diameter and will take it from there.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/07/716.jpg

Brian.

rar110
20th July 2012, 01:25 PM
I replaced the sedimentor with a Racor assembly (screw on filter and water trap). The Racor housing and Lucas sedimentor housing connects to the fuel hose differently. Racor filter connects with a screw in barb and hosed held by clamp. Lucas sedimentor seals against a seat in the housing which is better IMO. I havent been able to find an adapter to screw into the Racor housing as yet.

Lorryman100
23rd July 2012, 10:01 PM
Just found this for the Pumas OEM filter:
This is the fuel filter with LR part number. The interesting bit is the bowl kit at the bottom!!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/1366.jpg

36995 stanadyne fuel filter (http://thomasauto.absolutewebhosting2.co.uk/Product-175/-/Fuel-Filters/Fuel-Manager/36995)

I phoned to check and the glass bowl fits onto the bottom of an OEM filter by way of the drain screw and a metal rod which goes up into the filter.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/07/370.jpg

Stanadyne Water Collection Bowl 29899 (http://thomasauto.absolutewebhosting2.co.uk/pr598-gr175/Bowl-Kit-29899)

I am just going to order a new filter and bowl and see if it does enough to warrant not fitting the Raccor system and cutting into the tank feed.

Brian.

Lorryman100
23rd July 2012, 10:32 PM
Here is the link to buy the fuel line bleeding tool:

SPX Catalog - Hand Pressure Pump with Adapter Kit Hand Pressure Pump with Adapter Kit 310-110A (http://www.spxtools-shop.com/jlr/product_info.php?info=p12828.html)

Looking at the price though you could always make one as per this post:

Defender2 - View topic - Puma fuel bleeding pump (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic516.html)


Brian.

jakeslouw
24th July 2012, 05:32 PM
Some of the Southern African Nissan Pathfinders and Hardbodies came with a very nice combination water-trap and fuel filter setup. Pic attached.

Basically a side-by-side setup: the diesel goes through the water trap first then through the filter and then to the mechanical pump.

The filter mounting had a primer plunger and bleed screw as well.
The water trap had a water sensor that was wired to a simple idiot light on the dash console.

It's worth having a look if any other Jap vehicles came with a similar setup, it should work perfectly for any old school turbo diesel, but I wouldn't know if it will work 100% with an electronic pump motor.
I know that Toyota has a similar primer and filter assembly housing.

I can't see why not though?

sashadidi
25th July 2012, 11:25 AM
Does that fuel manager bowl have a water warning light? alarm which might be useful?

TimNZ
26th July 2012, 05:59 PM
Firstly, thanks very much to Brian for finding this bowl! It looks like it will be able to give a bit of a safety factor with the fuel system.

I've picked up one of the bowls from a Stanadyne reseller, (Allied Diesel & Turbo in Wangara, WA).

The bowl adds about 50mm to the length of the filter, unfortunately there is only about 18mm of free space behind the cover.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/07/277.jpg

I initially thought about just extending the cover, but after a few quick measurements it looks like the trailing arm and the filter may end up occupying the same space, (the trailing arm looks like it needs to be able to move up approx. 65mm at this point for full articultaion).

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/07/278.jpg

It does look like it may be quite easy to move the whole filter assembly up on the chassis about 20mm, this should allow for full articultaion of the rear axle trailing arm. I'll take a few more accurate measurements on the weekend.

Cheers,

Tim

Lorryman100
26th July 2012, 08:11 PM
I am still waiting on my one being delivered. I did have a look at the filter housing with the view of mounting it higher or even mounting it on the inside of the chassis and it looks as if it can be done with only having to drill two additional holes in the chassis, but I would look at fabricating a mount that utilizes the original mounting holes first. I would need to remove the filter housing to get a better idea but for now it looks doable with a little fabrication on the shields length. There looks to be enough room to move the original mounting holes in the shield to allow using the original chassis holes so that cuts down on any new holes.

Tim if you get yours mounted before me let us know what you did to get it to fit. :BigThumb:

Brian.

TimNZ
26th July 2012, 08:42 PM
Tim if you get yours mounted before me let us know what you did to get it to fit. :BigThumb:

Brian.

Will do Brian. I might pop the RH rear spring and shock off and jack the axle up to see how much clearance the trailing arm needs, but I'll aim to remount the filter so the lowest part of the "new assembly' is where the lowest part of the factory one is.

Cheers,

Tim

TimNZ
4th August 2012, 05:54 PM
Finally got time to fit the extended water trap to the filter :)

I put the rear axle under full articulation, (with the passenger side wheel hanging down fully), and there is about 23mm of clearance between the trailing arm and the fuel filter cover.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1685.jpg

Filter removed from its mount with the bowl fitted, if you are really careful when fitting the bowl you will still get fuel everywhere :mad: :

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1686.jpg

Pictures of the mount, (I have taken measurements, but have left them at the workshop, I'll post them later), the new mount moves the factory filter mount up 25mm. I used M8 Counter Sunk Cap Screws, 4 for fixing the new mount to the original chassis points, and 4 tack welded into place for fixing the factory mount to the new one:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1687.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1688.jpg

Factory mount:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1689.jpg

New mount fitted:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1690.jpg

Filter back on, there is still plenty of slack in the fuel hoses, so no problems there:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1691.jpg

Cover back on, I have bent the tabs on the bottom of the cover down, but this has left the bowl too exposed for my liking:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1692.jpg

Checking the clearance again:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1693.jpg

I decided to extend the cover to protect the bowl more:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1694.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1695.jpg

Modified cover fitted, I also had to trim a bit of the top left hand side of the cover:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1696.jpg


Even though I spilt quite a bit of fuel the engine started without having to be primed.

Cheers,

Tim

Tombie
4th August 2012, 06:05 PM
Top Job :thumbsup:

Nera Donna
4th August 2012, 07:13 PM
Love your work there Tim. Top notch job mate

TimNZ
5th August 2012, 06:09 PM
As promised, here's a drawing of the plate:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1647.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/1648.jpg

I made my one out of 4mm steel, which is probably a bit of an overkill, but thats all I had to hand :)

Cheers,

Tim

GlennWA
8th August 2012, 08:41 PM
Thanks Tim for the photos and information. Very valuable indeed!:BigThumb:

noogie
9th August 2012, 06:16 AM
Is it easily installed by someone with limited mechanical knowledge, or should I have it installed by a mechanic?:eek:

Lorryman100
12th August 2012, 07:15 PM
Good job Tim :BigThumb:

Hopefully I should get a chance now to fit my one now that you have done all the hard work. :p
I have been away for a few weeks in Ulster due to a family bereavement so never got the chance to fit it.

Brian.

Naks
16th August 2012, 08:15 PM
As promised, here's a drawing of the plate...
I made my one out of 4mm steel, which is probably a bit of an overkill, but thats all I had to hand :)



http://www.keepcalmandposters.com/posters/1878.png

GlennWA
31st August 2012, 07:38 PM
Does that fuel manager bowl have a water warning light? alarm which might be useful?

As I am looking in to this myself and to answer sashadidi there does seem to be an Electronic "water-in-fuel" indicator (http://www.stanadyne.com/docs/pubf/99889%20FM%20Brochure%2011-10.pdf) that should screw to the bottom of the bowl or filter. It may be expensive.:(

I think the bowl, which gives an extra 70mL of water capacity, combined with the indicator should offer enough protection. As long as everyone knows what the light means (as it is not an alarm) and the bowl is checked reasonably often.

Davehoos
2nd September 2012, 01:02 PM
our JCB has thisa type of filter with warning light indicator.
I was looking at it recently and it wasnt conected to the correct wire in the plug.
My boss said the harness was sent as a warranty fix for the light flashing intermitantly.:).

the english web sites show a reverse flow primer pump-the filter in our back hoes[JCB,CAT] blocks up regularly without any crap in the glass bowl.reverse flow helps.

I was wondering what pressure these are rated at.I wanted to rig up a petrol filter for the falcon.racor 110 is rated at 100PSI for efi cars.and some other racor are rated at 30 psi.

MD5
1st November 2012, 05:23 AM
I'm also interested in adding the water collection bowl to the standard fuel filter.

Just a question: Once the collection bowl is screwed to the bottom of the filter, how the water and dirty could fall in the transparent cup ? Apparently there are no gap or holes that allow the water/dirty to flow from the bottom of the standard filter to the the bottom of the cup.

Could you please better explain how the collection bowl work ?

Thanking in advance,

Mario

TimNZ
1st November 2012, 09:09 AM
Hi Mario, and welcome to the forum!

The extended bowl connects to the normal drain point of the filter, this creates an opening that allows the fuel and contaminants to pass through to the bowl.

Thanks,

Tim

Dungie
1st November 2012, 05:37 PM
There deffinatly is a water sensor kit to fit the clear bowl. The part number of the bowl kit is as stated earlier 29899. The water sensor kit that fits this bowls part number is 29268 both are Stanadyne parts.
I have aquire both, however I still need to fabricate one of Tim plates. Thanks for the excellent drawing Tim will save me a lot of time.
The sensor kit includes the probe and adaptor for the bottom of the bowl, and an indicator light unit plus a long harness. Which may or may not need to be extended. Hope to find that out soon, maybe this weekend.

Regards
Dungie

MD5
1st November 2012, 05:39 PM
Also my compliments to Tim for the useful plate drawing!

Two question:
Could you please confirm that the bowl is fully compatible with the standard LR filter ?

This Stanadyne filter is fully compatible with the standard Puma 2.4 LR filter ?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/1366.jpg

Thanks!

Dungie
1st November 2012, 05:59 PM
Mario,
I have not yet fitted the bowl onto the genuine filter. However by the look of Tims photos,and the cross reference of the Stanadyne filter it will fit.
I have not looked into the micron size of the Stanadyne filter as yet, will be staying with the L/R filter at least until my warranty is out.
Regards
Dungie

MD5
1st November 2012, 06:12 PM
Thanks for your reply.

The Stanadyne filer is 5 micron, the same as the standard unit.
I agree with you, if the Defender is under warranty it's better to fit the original filter to avoid warranty problems.

When out of warranty, the Stanadyne filter is cheaper than the original filter, could be a good alternative.

landybehr
28th May 2013, 06:23 AM
@TimNZ

Hi, I replicated the plate to relocate the filter mount from the drawing you kindly posted.
Really great work, but I think there is one little error with the lowe left two holes.
From the drawing all the lower holes are levelled, but wouldnīt fit that way (at least to my 2.2 Puma).
The lower left holes should be a couple of mmīs further up - just like can be seen on the picture shot of the real plate.

n plus one
19th June 2013, 10:43 PM
@TimNZ

Hi, I replicated the plate to relocate the filter mount from the drawing you kindly posted.
Really great work, but I think there is one little error with the lowe left two holes.
From the drawing all the lower holes are levelled, but wouldnīt fit that way (at least to my 2.2 Puma).
The lower left holes should be a couple of mmīs further up - just like can be seen on the picture shot of the real plate.

Care to extrapolate?

I'm just about to knock one of these plates up and it would be nice to know how much to relocate any holes by.

Edit: looks like you have changed the original drawing to account for this Tim?

landybehr
20th June 2013, 06:09 AM
Tim has updated the drawing [thumbsupbig]

When you put the filter mounting base bracket/plate onto the adapter as kind of a template (you have to remove it temporarily anyway) itbecomes obvious if one hole issnīt aligned.

n plus one
5th July 2013, 07:54 AM
Anyone manager to get the Stanadyne filter/water bowl/alarm online anywhere?

Local dealer isn't interested in ordering it in for me.

Cheers.

Loubrey
5th July 2013, 08:26 AM
Hi Mate,

Not a online merchant, but Stanadyne's dealer map. At least one of them should have an online function...?

Stanadyne Dealer Locations (http://www.stanadyne.com/map/)

or these guys (who are an online merchant) show Stanadyne as one of their products.

Products - Diesel Care - 4WD Dyno Tuning, Bosch Diesel Centre, Diesel Engine Enhancements, Fuel Injection, Turbochargers, Steinbauer Power Module, Service & Exchange (http://www.dieselcare.com.au/products)

Cheers,

Lou

n plus one
5th July 2013, 09:50 AM
Cheers Loubrey - just ordered a filter, water bowl and sensor kit from Diesel Distributors.

On that note though, they advised me that the correct filter part no. is 33960 and NOT 36995 (which is too short?) - anyone using a 36995 (or 33960) care to comment/confirm?

n plus one
8th July 2013, 11:15 PM
Cheers Loubrey - just ordered a filter, water bowl and sensor kit from Diesel Distributors.

On that note though, they advised me that the correct filter part no. is 33960 and NOT 36995 (which is too short?) - anyone using a 36995 (or 33960) care to comment/confirm?

Bump, anyone in a position to confirm/deny this one?

Edit: closing the loop - the 36995 is the correct filter.

ozrob
18th May 2015, 07:00 PM
Bump, anyone in a position to confirm/deny this one?

Edit: closing the loop - the 36995 is the correct filter.

I wonder if they make a shorter filter so you can fit the glass bowl without the bracket modification?

ozrob
18th May 2015, 07:08 PM
Bump, anyone in a position to confirm/deny this one?

Edit: closing the loop - the 36995 is the correct filter.

I wonder if they make a shorter filter so you can fit the glass bowl without the bracket modification?

n plus one
18th May 2015, 07:11 PM
I wonder if they make a shorter filter so you can fit the glass bowl without the bracket modification?

There's a recently active thread about a secondary filter kit (with mounting hardware) that's now available - from memory it locates the second filter up near the fuel cooler.