NSW Rego with no papers or compliance plate

[Slunnie]

Hi all,

I'm looking to do a ground up build on a County chassis and am hoping to have the vehicle able to be registered.

I wont have rego papers as the chassis was supplied as a chassis only and then I will build onto that. So, because of this it wont have a complience plate under the bonnet either although it will have the chassis number stamping.

Does anybody know what the procedure for registering this would be once completed? Or, is it not able to be registered without the complience plate?

This is for NSW.

[Disco Muppet]

Another one? Geez... What happened to the Series that was looking rather tired when I dropped by? :p

Best bet is to ring up the RTA.
Murky info I found when looking at a SIIa before I found the Disco was:
If it's been in the system before, then yes it can be registered.
If it's older than 15 (17 according to some people) years then it can be registered.
Some info here.
http://studentweb.usq.edu.au/home/q1121625/NSW%20vehicle%20guide%20lines/vsi19.pdf
Bottom line seems to be, if you can prove that it was once registered you should be fine.
However, as you state you have no rego papers then...NFI sorry :(
Having the chassis number will most likely help as it may be able to be ruled out as a stolen vehicle, and may indicate it had previously been registered.
find a lamp with a friendly genie perhaps? This is the RTA you're dealing with :mad:
Hope this helps.
Muppet

[Slunnie]

Ahhh Muppet, thanks for this! Great info!

[101RRS]

The RTA should be able to pull up previous rego details from anywhere in Aust from the chassis number (VIN). My 101 does not have a compliance plate and when I registered it in the ACT the local RTA was able to pull up its full rego history since release from the army on the basis of its chassis number despite it being off the road for about 10 years.

Garry

[Disco Muppet]

Looks like you're in the clear.
I'd better not have just jinxed it.
What is it going to be?
County body, or is it going to be like your blue one, a mud chewing, fire breathing monster? :eek:

[Slunnie]

Thanks for this Garry, that does sound promising. Hopefully this will fall into a normal process for the RTA in that case and it will be fairly straight forward... I hope.

Hey Muppet, the blue one will graft into a County chassis hopefully The County chassis is ready for V8/ZF, PAS, coils etc rather than going through a heap of fabricating and engineering. The Sandy ute on the pad is a resto - most of the parts are ready, just needs time.

[Bigbjorn]

I can only speak from experiences with Qld. Transport in attempting to register older vehicles that were only on their archived paper files, not computerised records. If you can prove "previously registered in Qld." then you can easily register the vehicle. You need the registration document from one year to prove this. The onus is on you. The Dept. will not and likely can not assist.

The problem usually arises in trying to register left hand drive vehicles that were registered in Qld. before the rules were changed to deny this privilege, and "individually constructed vehicles" (specials) from a couple of generations ago. Also vintage and veteran vehicles that have not been registered for many years, particularly those made up of parts of several vehicles, or odd makes that are not well known to the Dept. Left hand drive vehicles can now be registered as long as they are 30+ years old.

Anything more recent can usually be sorted out by the national record of VIN's, if you can find a chassis no.

Edit:I did once register a 1928 Dodge after restoration, that had been last registered around 1962. during restoration I could not find a chassis number. Apparently in Oz the number was on a plate screwed to the footboard inside the cab. Long gone. I did have a USA owner's handbook which said the number is stamped on the chassis RH side above the front axle. I stamped the engine number there, and no worries, through rego. it sailed.

[Tusker]

G'day Slunnie

If necessary the RTA/RMS will issue a new chassis number. They'll send you off to a truck inspection station, in theory to check if it's stolen/rebirthed etc. Nearest one to me was Gosford, there's Penrith as well I think.

Punches have to a certain size, you have to take it back to the inspection station so they approve the chassis stamping - or send you away to do it again...

You have to do the blue slip process with a local garage first. It's an exercise in frustration and timewasting.

I had to go through all this when putting the MG back on full rego. RTA had no record of last registration (1972 sticker is still on the windscreen, Grrr). Original chassis number had long since disappeared in surface rust, sandblasting & chassis painting.

Good luck...

Regards
Max P

[jon3950]

Hi Simon,

Max has beaten me to it, but this can be done. I even have a car without a chassis no. that is registered - it was allocated by the RTA.

If your local registry says it can't be done go higher. I had a contact for this, but its so old now its not worth passing on. Car clubs are usually the best source of info for this; are you still in LROC?

Cheers,
Jon

[Slunnie]

Thanks for this Brian, Max and Jon,

Hopefully all goes well. I had a chat to the RTA (RMS?) today and they put me through to the technical section. The fellow said I needed the rego papers, rego lable or a letter from the manufacturer re homolgation. Well, I suspect I have none of those and he was very coy about providing any more info such as being able to tap into RTA records of prior registration

Starting with a blue slip sounds the go Max, and then just see what hurdles I hit along the way. I hope if I can get one of those then hopefully most of the hard work is done. Wishful thinking perhaps.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

You need to be very carefull about this one, lest you risk the vehicle being considered an individually constructed vehicle. This is what the RMS has tried recently with veteran and vintage vehicles which have had bodies re-built.

At present the ACMC (which is a confederation of hot rod, street machine, 4WD and vintage, veteran and classic car councils) is in committee with the RMS over this very issue and whether cars built with reproduction bodies need to meet ADRs present when the original design hit the market or the ADRs the day of next/first registration.

It may be worthwile consulting a authorised signatory Engineer now before the build commences just to check if an engineers certificate is required when the project is complete and whether they would give it.

Be aware (I believe) that engineers in NSW now are required to log the VIN of all vehicles when they ever have any contact with it. This is to prevent a modification rejected by one engineer, slipping through with another.

[Bigbjorn]

You need to be very carefull about this one, lest you risk the vehicle being considered an individually constructed vehicle. This is what the RMS has tried recently with veteran and vintage vehicles which have had bodies re-built.



You are in big heaps of trouble if it is considered to be an ICV. ICV's have to comply with the ADR's as of the date it is presented for registration. This is considered the build date. You may use a complying engine up to 5 years old without problems. Any other engine has to undergo emissions testing to the current ADR standard. I don't know if anyone else does this these days but the only places when I was messing about with this sort of thing were GM-H & Ford. Just a tad expensive!! You may also be required to take the vehicle to Mangalore in Victoria for brake testing.

I was trying to get type approval for an English origin kit car to avoid the ICV trap. I gave up.

Rebodying big classics became popular in the USA from the mid-late 70's on as the auction prices of big US classics escalated exponentially. Vehicles with mundane mass produced or standard bodies became sought after and were rebodied in more valuable styles such as boat-tail roadster and dual cowl phaeton. Is this kosher in the eyes of purist restorers, or is it improving or value adding to a less desirable vehicle? I don't remember ever hearing of bureaucratic intervention.