Oil for a TD5

[Infiltrator]

A mate has just given me a 20 ltr container of Castrol Magnatec Diesel 15w-40 that he doesn't need anymore. Would it be safe to use in my 2000 Disco 2 td5?

http://www.castrol.com/castrol/productdetailmin.do?categoryId=9031341&contentId=7057273

[Blknight.aus]

I wouldnt, 15-40 is on the range from memory but unless its worn the td5 like a nice light oil like a 0-30wt.

I use the nulon stuff

[bsperka]

Castrol Edge 5W/30 or 0W/40 for the engine, which is in line with what the workshop manual says. (BTW - any oil to the correct spec and viscosity, just using the Castrol site, as you have a Castrol oil).

15W/40 is ok for less sophisicated diesels of the era (eg Toyota/Nissan), but not the TD5.

So that's the long answer - short answer is no.

You may get posts saying people use it blah, blah blah, but it isn't recommended by the manufacturer or the oil supplier, so it's a pretty obvious answer.

[Mundy]

I understand that you are supposed to use a fully synthetic oil. You should check if the Magnatec Diesel is. The Magnatec blurb says it uses "synthetic technology" - but its not fully synthetic.

[Tombie]

Some semi-synth are working really well in the TD5..

Penrite HPR Diesel 5 is getting excellent results, including wear testing by a fellow member here....

[gavinwibrow]

Some semi-synth are working really well in the TD5..

Penrite HPR Diesel 5 is getting excellent results, including wear testing by a fellow member here....
Penrite HPR Diesel 5 seems to be the flavour of the month in the west and I use it, but then again I'm replacing my TD5 after 153K - but the result of turbo U/S and causing engine problems, so most unlikely to be related.

[Fluids]

Penrite HPR Diesel 5.

Readily available and not over priced.

[robbotd5]

Penrite HPR Diesel 5.

Readily available and not over priced.

X2.
Regards
Robbo

[simonmelb]

Penrite HPR Diesel 5.

Readily available and not over priced.

Agree - or even better: I just bought 10L of Penrite Enviro+ 10w40 for $80, as recommended here: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/1642775-post59.html

Very good value for this fully synthetic oil which exceeds the Penrite HPR Diesel 5 specs.

Cheers
Simon

[JC Rover]

I used to use the Castrol Sport Edge 5w-30 until they added the word titanium and jacked the price up. Now I use the Penrite HPR 5, which I'm happy with despite. I usually wait until Supercheap have their 20% off store wide to buy:angel:.

Cheers

Jono

[CraigE]

Another 1 for Penrite 5W/40.
15W is probablly a bit heavy. Even in really hot environments I believe you should only go to a 10W. I generally avoid 0W oils in the Defender as they are a bit light for warm environments for the TD5. I do use 0W in the Satesman and BMW.

[ZippoParis]

What about Valvoline NextGen Diesel?

[Fluids]

If you want to buy this stuff from SuperCheap when it's on special, sign up at the SC web site, and add the products/s you use to your watch list, then from your a/c tick the "email me when on special" box ..... :)

Buy when it's on special, NOT when you need it NOW.

[feraldisco]

What do people think about running HPR5 full synthetic in a Td5 rather than HPR5 Diesel semi-synth. HPR5 is recommended for petrols and light diesels and was the same price as HPR Diesel at my local Super Cheap...

[robbotd5]

Can't see an issue.
Regards
Robbo

[turbopsi]

HPR5 on sale @ Repco in current catalogue.

Offer Detail (http://catalogues.repco.com.au/offer/lubricants/penrite-hpr-diesel-5-5w-40/4u41vv8dp.html'source=catalogue)

[simonmelb]

What do people think about running HPR5 full synthetic in a Td5 rather than HPR5 Diesel semi-synth. HPR5 is recommended for petrols and light diesels and was the same price as HPR Diesel at my local Super Cheap...

I would rather for the same price use HPR diesel 5. This is what Penrite recommend as it has the right additives for diesels.

If you want a full synthetic then go for Enviro+ 10w40 which meets the highest diesel rating - Asea E9. This oil is recommend by Rick on this forum. You usually have to order it in eg from Burson.

Cheers
Simon

[stallie]

Penrite 5w40 on sale in supercheap catalogue.

[Eevo]

10L of Penrite Enviro+ 10w40 for $80, as

penrite put out a technical note with a warning about that oil.
i thought it said be careful about non efficient cars

but i cant find the article now.

[rick130]

penrite put out a technical note with a warning about that oil.
i thought it said be careful about non efficient cars

but i cant find the article now.

Never seen that and been running it for years in a Tdi and TD42T (nee Diesel SP 10W-40)

The only warning that used to be made was not to use it in a petrol engine, but it's now SM (petrol) rated too.

[rick130]

And for those that think a 15W-40 is a heavier/thicker oil than a 0 or 5w-40, please think again.

At operating temps their kinematic (measured) viscosities are the same.

Depending on the blend, above 5-10*C, their start up viscosities are similar. (I've seen a 15W-40 be thinner at 0*C than a 5W-40 ;) )

At temps below -10*C, no contest, the 5W-40 oil will be much easier to pump than the 15W-40, but after a short warmup period there'll be bugger all in it.

In engines such as the Isuzu 4JX1 oil viscosity is critical as the injectors use engine oil to generate hydraulic pressure to generate injection pressure.
Use the wrong viscosity oil at your peril in these type of engines.

In a TD5 with (mechanical) unit injectors, oil viscosity is much less critical, so I'd go for the one with the most robust additive package, ie a heavy duty diesel oil, not a car spec, dual rated oil.

[simonmelb]

penrite put out a technical note with a warning about that oil.
i thought it said be careful about non efficient cars

but i cant find the article now.

You may be referring to this in the Penrite FAQ:

Why can’t we use the new Enviro+ oils in place of the existing HPR range?

Enviro+ oils are low in SAPS (Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus and Sulphur), which in turn is low in zinc (zinc is a part of the same compound as phosphorus). Zinc is a very effective anti-wear agent and if it is reduced, may cause premature wear in the engine, especially if they use flat tappet cams. So, an Enviro Plus oil should not be used unless it is recommended for the application.


And here was Ricks comment about this issue:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/110486-oils-can-we-set-up-definitive-list-2.html#post1642775

I've been buying Penrite Diesel SP (now re-named Enviro + 10W-40 which is an E4/E6/E9 oil, ie. a heavy duty diesel oil, not petrol/dual rated and I hope to God it's still as robust as Diesel SP otherwise I'll have to find a new oil) for $165 which is a walk in off the street price.

I'd trust a low SAPS API CJ-4/ACEA E4/E6/E9 oil in a TD5 as they have balanced the lack of phosphorous/zinc with better/more exxy anti-wear/EP chemistrickery, but I wouldn't use a low SAPS petrol oil like that Peak oil with a unit injector engine.
There's been a few cam issues over the years with low EP oils like the ILSAC GF-4 10W-30 Mobil 1

Anyway that's why I'm comfortable in using 10w40 Enviro+ in my TD5.

Cheers
Simon

[rick130]

You may be referring to this in the Penrite FAQ:

Why can’t we use the new Enviro+ oils in place of the existing HPR range?

Enviro+ oils are low in SAPS (Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus and Sulphur), which in turn is low in zinc (zinc is a part of the same compound as phosphorus). Zinc is a very effective anti-wear agent and if it is reduced, may cause premature wear in the engine, especially if they use flat tappet cams. So, an Enviro Plus oil should not be used unless it is recommended for the application.


And here was Ricks comment about this issue:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/110486-oils-can-we-set-up-definitive-list-2.html#post1642775

I've been buying Penrite Diesel SP (now re-named Enviro + 10W-40 which is an E4/E6/E9 oil, ie. a heavy duty diesel oil, not petrol/dual rated and I hope to God it's still as robust as Diesel SP otherwise I'll have to find a new oil) for $165 which is a walk in off the street price.

I'd trust a low SAPS API CJ-4/ACEA E4/E6/E9 oil in a TD5 as they have balanced the lack of phosphorous/zinc with better/more exxy anti-wear/EP chemistrickery, but I wouldn't use a low SAPS petrol oil like that Peak oil with a unit injector engine.
There's been a few cam issues over the years with low EP oils like the ILSAC GF-4 10W-30 Mobil 1

Anyway that's why I'm comfortable in using 10w40 Enviro+ in my TD5.

Cheers
Simon

And further to that, the TD42T uses flat tappets, not rollers on the rockers as a TD5 injector has or roller lifters like a Tdi and I've never had to adjust the tappets since using that oil over the last four years and that car has done at least 120,000km in that time.
If we were going to get cam wear it would have shown up well and truly by now.

[Eevo]

You may be referring to this in the Penrite FAQ:

Why can’t we use the new Enviro+ oils in place of the existing HPR range?

Enviro+ oils are low in SAPS (Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus and Sulphur), which in turn is low in zinc (zinc is a part of the same compound as phosphorus). Zinc is a very effective anti-wear agent and if it is reduced, may cause premature wear in the engine, especially if they use flat tappet cams. So, an Enviro Plus oil should not be used unless it is recommended for the application.


that was it!

[Eevo]

but after a short warmup period there'll be bugger all in it.ah yes, but dont all the ads say that the most engine damage is done during startup?

i find this helpful
- Bob is the Oil Guy (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/)




In engines such as the Isuzu 4JX1 oil viscosity is critical as the injectors use engine oil to generate hydraulic pressure to generate injection pressure.
Use the wrong viscosity oil at your peril in these type of engines.

yep, there have been cases where the 4JX1 is driven in, the new mech drops the oil, puts in 10w or 15w and then the car wont start. mech is confused as all he did was a simple oil change.

[justinc]

ah yes, but dont all the ads say that the most engine damage is done during startup?

i find this helpful
- Bob is the Oil Guy (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/)



yep, there have been cases where the 4JX1 is driven in, the new mech drops the oil, puts in 10w or 15w and then the car wont start. mech is confused as all he did was a simple oil change.

And what a disasterous engine that turned out to be:mad::mad::mad:

JC

[Eevo]

And what a disasterous engine that turned out to be:mad::mad::mad:

JC

the technologies in that engine were new for its day. it has its flaws
most diesels that are coming out now days have the same technology but the technology is more mature and more mechs know how to work with these engines.

too many aussie mechs are stuck in the stone age.

[rick130]

i find this helpful
- Bob is the Oil Guy (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/)





You have to take a lot from there with a grain of salt these days, most of the member's who really knew their stuff either don't post or post very rarely these days.

Molakule, Bruce381, TomNJ, Terry Dyson, Doug Hillary, Pablo know their stuff and Terry for one doesn't post anymore.

[rick130]

the technologies in that engine were new for its day. it has its flaws
most diesels that are coming out now days have the same technology but the technology is more mature and more mechs know how to work with these engines.

too many aussie mechs are stuck in the stone age.

The tech was mature, it came from CAT under license, just as the TD5 injector tech came from MTU/Detroit Diesel.

Unusually for Isuzu I think it was detail issues, O rings, computer glitches.....

[rick130]

ah yes, but dont all the ads say that the most engine damage is done during startup?




But was that the point of my statement ? ;)

Too many get hung up on "I must have a 0W-40 oil in my engine, anything else is too thick" when their car never sees below a +10*C startup.

[Southern Cross]

There has always been a lot of misconception on oil heat range viscosities tho there is plenty of inter web info to add to confusion. I.E. too much info leads to brain explosion. One point usually overlooked in oil discussion is oil pressure.
Low pressure will result in major problems quicker than wrong viscosity.
I have always felt uneasy in a vehicle that only has an oil pressure light rather than a proper gauge. It won't be long till my new to me td5 has a gauge (or two)