New D5

[Disco4SE]

Was talking with a prominant Landrover principal the other day re: the new D5. He is off to the UK next week to meet with LR and find out more.
From what he tells me, it is going to be based on the Defender.
You will be able to order a variety of engine, axle, body configurations & luxury levels, but it will be built on the same chassis.

LR may not call it a D5 at this stage. It may have a whole new name.

BTW: The 4.4 TDV8 is most likely coming out first thing next year in the RRS.

Cheers, Craig

[GregMilner]

Was talking with a prominant Landrover principal the other day re: the new D5. He is off to the UK next week to meet with LR and find out more.
From what he tells me, it is going to be based on the Defender.
You will be able to order a variety of engine, axle, body configurations & luxury levels, but it will be built on the same chassis.

LR may not call it a D5 at this stage. It may have a whole new name.

BTW: The 4.4 TDV8 is most likely coming out first thing next year in the RRS.

Cheers, Craig

Just picked up on this thread Craig. 4.4 V8 in the RRS next year...really??? That's exactly what I want to replace my 2010 3.0, but the guys at Barbagallo Land Rover keep telling me the 90 degree V8 won't fit in the RRS engine bay.

I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it was true.

[Disco4SE]

Hi Greg,
I am seeing my contact this Friday.
I'll see if I can get any confirmed info out of him re: the 4.4Lt in next years RRS.

Cheers, Craig

[LRTech23]

BTW: The 4.4 TDV8 is most likely coming out first thing next year in the RRS.

Cheers, Craig

I don't mean to doubt your sources, however the reason they stopped producing the 3.6TDV8 in the RRS was because they wanted the RR to be the flagship, with the best engine options. Why would you buy a RR when you could have a RRS with the same engine.

From the people that I know within the company there are/were no plans to put the 4.4TDV8 in the sport.

[gghaggis]

I don't mean to doubt your sources, however the reason they stopped producing the 3.6TDV8 in the RRS was because they wanted the RR to be the flagship, with the best engine options. Why would you buy a RR when you could have a RRS with the same engine.

From the people that I know within the company there are/were no plans to put the 4.4TDV8 in the sport.

I don't think LR rely on engine options to distinguish between the Sport and the Vogue - if they did there wouldn't be a Supercharged Sport, would there?

The lack of difference in performance between the 3.0 and the 3.6 in the Sport was the reason for the discontinuation of the TDV8 in the RRS. In the larger Vogue, the 3.0 TDV6 couldn't provide the required performance, hence the 4.4 TDV8. However, it's unlikely the 4.4 would fit in the RRS, and as a new RRS is only round the corner (late 2013), I doubt this donk will ever be put in the current RRS.

Cheers,

Gordon

[LRTech23]

Yeah, I was talking to some people today, they said there was no plan for the tdv8 to go back in the sport, partially because of the update and partially because it is the "flagship engine". Their words not mine.

I've also heard that the new "defender" will be based off the discovery platform. So I guess there's alot of different things up in the air at the moment.

Seeing as they are going to stop selling the defender in Australia pretty soon because of its lack of safety features I doubt they would base the discovery off the defender.

[LRTech23]

After all that I overlooked the fact that you are probably talking about the new defender. Which would make a lot more sense. Haha

[Plane Fixer]

2017 Land Rover Discovery revealed (http://www.drive.com.au/what-car-should-i-buy/family-car/2017-land-rover-discovery-revealed-20160928-grqoi3.html)

[Tinman]

https://www.4x4australia.com.au/news/1609/2017-land-rover-discovery-revealed/
Cheers

[phl]

Over 3100kg!!!

Unless that's a mistake, that's extremely heavy.

[Edit] Forgot to add the official link (http://www.landrover.com.au/vehicles/all-new-discovery/index.html).

[Disco-tastic]

Over 3100kg!!!

Unless that's a mistake, that's extremely heavy.

[Edit] Forgot to add the official link (http://www.landrover.com.au/vehicles/all-new-discovery/index.html).
Thats probably it's GVM. Its 480kg lighter than the previous model, which was between 2500 and 2700kg. So definitely not 3100kg

Cheera

Dan

[Hugh Jars]

I'm glad I bought a D4. Looks like a hairdresser's car :)

[jonesy63]

Or a Ford Everest, or a Kia, or everything else out there. :mad:

[LandyAndy]

I like the Jag version:twisted::twisted::twisted:
Jaguar F-PACE - Specifications - Jaguar Australia (http://www.jaguar.com.au/jaguar-range/f-pace/specifications/index.html)
Andrew

[Nicky]

ditto

[TerryO]

Not to many flattering comments about the new D5 to be found anywhere. Lots of talk in the D5 section, most reflect the comments here.

It's early days but I reckon so far it looks and sounds like from most feedback that LR has seriously stuffed up with the D5, lets hope they get the new Defender right.

[Nicky]

Not to many flattering comments about the new D5 to be found anywhere. Lots of talk in the D5 section, most reflect the comments here.

It's early days but I reckon so far it looks and sounds like from most feedback that LR has seriously stuffed up with the D5, lets hope they get the new Defender right.

True, we'll have to go the Defender route. The last straw is the electric seat fold, another toy to entice the soft-roader market.
I can see the used D4 prices rising, this was the last true 4X4 Discovery from LR.

[RHS58]

I can see the used D4 prices rising, this was the last true 4X4 Discovery from LR.

That would be OK, but if I sold I'd need to purchase a D5 or a Land Cruiser.

[Aaron40]

so ugly even Bob the builder said, cant fix that...:o

[BobD]

You guys are as bad as Defender drivers talking about a D4! Give it a chance and have a drive before you get so negative about everything. We haven't even seen one in the flesh yet.


You are living in the 21st century where there are global rules on fuel consumption, carbon emissions and everything else that we hardly even think about. You can't make a brick like a Defender or even a D4 now and comply with all the rules. Wind tunnels probably provide more input than we know and drive shapes in a particular direction.


I reckon they have done a great job of getting drag down, keeping some of the Discovery DNA, getting weight down and keeping a Land Rover family likeness through all of the models under almost impossible obstacles thrown up by governments, regulatory bodies and marketing departments.


One issue that I can see is that Terrain Response is optional so there will be many fewer genuine off road versions available on the second hand market than with the D4. At least low range is standard on everything from SE up according to the build your own web page. They are obviously going all out to increase market share with the SUV buyer public, rather than the 4WD drivers like most of us.

[Kandy]

Two (there are many more) things that attracted me to Discoveries is /was? the raised rear roof, add a cargo barrier and wow what space, the other is driver position. The first is lost in the D5 and will have to have a closer look and drive to comment on the other but I suspect that may be lost also.:(

[Graeme]

One issue that I can see is that Terrain Response is optional so there will be many fewer genuine off road versions available on the second hand market than with the D4.My understanding is that TR2 (automatic TR selection) is optional rather TR itself.

[scarry]

Not to many flattering comments about the new D5 to be found anywhere. Lots of talk in the D5 section, most reflect the comments here.

It's early days but I reckon so far it looks and sounds like from most feedback that LR has seriously stuffed up with the D5, lets hope they get the new Defender right.

You are right there,lots of negative comments all over the place,not many positive.Many of the comments are from people that have D4,and have had many LR's.

Their Facebook site is a good example,and JLR Aus are answering the comments.

Once the vehicle is seen,comments hopefully may change.

[scarry]

My understanding is that TR2 (automatic TR selection) is optional rather TR itself.

And TR2 standard on top of range model only.

[BobD]

My understanding is that TR2 (automatic TR selection) is optional rather TR itself.


That's good if that is what it means. However, removing some of that stuff is probably a good way to get the cost down for people who don't go off road, and hence sell more cars.


I couldn't really tell on the build your own site whether there was any TR at all. The option pack comes with the ELD in the rear and TR2. An interesting towing initiative option also, which weighs the draw bar amongst other things. Also steers the car for you when backing a trailer.

[TerryO]

I always find it amusing when they limit the highest spec off road gizmo's to the top of the line models, which in general are not the ones used off road.

Might be my faulty logic but I would imagine most wanting to buy a new 4x4 to seriously go bush bashing would usually want to buy the entry level model with all the off road gizmo's to bash around.

[phl]

Might be my faulty logic but I would imagine most wanting to buy a new 4x4 to seriously go bush bashing would usually want to buy the entry level model with all the off road gizmo's to bash around.

No sin in wanting to go off-road in comfort...

Have seen FF being taken off-road in serious technical sections.

[phl]

Two (there are many more) things that attracted me to Discoveries is /was? the raised rear roof, add a cargo barrier and wow what space,(

Actually looking carefully, the hump is still there... just.

[Aaron40]

I just read that 2 speed transfer case is an "option".... The touch screen program looks to be the same as the disco sport which I drove yesterday while my D4 had its 12 month service... I did not find it easy to navigate, the Td4 engine turned itself off every time I stopped at a set of lights if I had not remembered to turn off the feature on start up.... Didn't like it at all...

[SBD4]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/835.jpg

[Tinman]

https://youtu.be/g3nsCVUw0Vc
Enjoy
Cheers

[crash]

I have to admit, it is growing on me.

[scarry]

I have to admit, it is growing on me.

Me too,actually i recon it looks fantastic,can't wait to see it in real life.

But if there are no 18's for it,not much chance of one being in my driveway.:(

[Tombie]

By the time I'm ready it will be D5 vs Defender V2 as options.

The D5 has me so far, let's see what the Defender comes in as...

[catch-22]

I too am gonna wait for the Defender. Given the latest comments from LR stating they don't like gaps in doors etc, only good can come from it. I'm picturing a 130 with the rear space of a 130 but built like a RRS/D5....one can only hope.....


oh, and smaller wheels.... :D

[jon3950]

That video certainly makes the tech look impressive. I don't mind the styling, but I do think it looks odd from the rear. Hopefully it won't look so bad in the flesh. That orange isn't doing it any favours either.

I've no doubt it will be an impressive vehicle and wouldn't rule out owning one. I will certainly be taking one for a drive as soon as I can. However I want a vehicle that I can set up for camping and bush touring and I don't think it will be well suited to that sort of use. The D4 was hard enough to use for that.

The biggest issue for me though would still be the whole wheel size and tyre changing problem. I'm really enjoying having 16" rims again and don't know if I could face going back to 19" rims. I'd like to think they've improved the jack too, but sadly I doubt it.

I guess that means the new Defender is looking like the better option for me - hopefully. I certainly don't mind if it has an aluminium monocoque or air suspension as long as it retains its practicality.

I like the technology that has gone into Discovery but I must admit I have enjoyed the elegant simplicity of my Defender. It has re-awakened the pleasure of driving for me, particularly off-road.

Cheers,
Jon

[PAT303]

Personally I think the person that designed the Disco/RR jack should be bent over a log and have one of the useless things shoved up his arse. :angel: Pat

[wally]

For the first time ever there is nothing in the entire LR lineup that has me remotely interested. The magic's not there. That could change with the arrival of the new Defender though. I hope so.

[jon3950]

Personally I think the person that designed the Disco/RR jack should be bent over a log and have one of the useless things shoved up his arse. :angel: Pat

That might make them think twice.

What they really should do is send them out to anywhere in central Australia in the middle of summer and get them to actually change a tyre with it. They may find the suppositorial experience preferable.

Cheers,
Jon

[scarry]

Personally I think the person that designed the Disco/RR jack should be bent over a log and have one of the useless things shoved up his arse. :angel: Pat

I bet the D5 doesn't have anything better.:mad:

The ridiculous thing is they do heaps of R&D on things that some people wouldn't miss,a lot of technological stuff that in many peoples opinion isn't needed,produce class leading,and the most capable vehicles in the world,then supply it with a jack that,as JON3950,was designed for something like a corolla.

The old bottle jack that Holden had for years would do a better job.

I had a couple in the shed,but the boys did a clean up and they seem to have disappeared.:mad:

[phl]

The ridiculous thing is they do heaps of R&D on things that some people wouldn't miss,a lot of technological stuff that in many peoples opinion isn't needed,produce class leading,and the most capable vehicles in the world,then supply it with a jack that,as JON3950,was designed for something like a corolla.

The reality is most of them would be used in cities or somewhere close to large centres. Then it's just a call to NRMA/RACV et al, and have someone come out to change your tyre.

At least Lexus thinks of such things; they supply a mat to kneel on, and a towel to wipe your hands with after, and the Roadside Assist number on speed dial...

[Tombie]

That's because Lexus owners are a bunch of prissies [emoji6]

Landy owners aren't afraid of a bit of dirt...

[scarry]

There are a few rumours of a D5 'rugged version' appearing.......interesting

[Bohica]

from the Land rover channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plnRjbvU4ew

[Disco-tastic]

Thanks Bohica.

Well... now I really want one...

[PerthDisco]

I just hate the way everything is powered. Seems overly complex. Gadgetville

[rar110]

I agree. But I do like some powered gadgets like memory seats and mirrors. These have been good on the L322.

I can see the powered tailgate (foot opening) and the wrist band key thing being handy. 5 years ago all these things would have been a turn off for me to. So I understand some having a similar view.

[Bohica]

The biggest issue for me though would still be the whole wheel size and tyre changing problem. I'm really enjoying having 16" rims again and don't know if I could face going back to 19" rims. I'd like to think they've improved the jack too, but sadly I doubt it.

Try 21" or 22"

[Bohica]

Thanks Bohica.

Well... now I really want one...

Now you can "build" your D5!

Build your ALL-NEW DISCOVERY - Models (http://rules.config.landrover.com/jdxl/en_au/l462/?_ga=1.233809246.1988204081.1455760215)

[Disco-tastic]

Now you can "build" your D5!

Build your ALL-NEW DISCOVERY - Models (http://rules.config.landrover.com/jdxl/en_au/l462/?_ga=1.233809246.1988204081.1455760215)
Haha already did
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/525.jpg

Though i wanted black 22" not anthracite 21s. Wont let you have that and the black roof though on the configurator.

Also, its a shame they can't tell me exactly how far out of my price range it is [emoji14]

Dan

[Bohica]

though on the configurator.

Also, its a shame they can't tell me exactly how far out of my price range it is [emoji14]

Dan

I know! I've been looking at D4 pricing and whether to get a SE and some options or an HSE with maybe a few unwanted options. It's just a cunning plan to get us into the dealer's showroom.

Julian

[DI5CO]

Mmmmmm!!
https://www.4x4australia.com.au/news/1610/new-land-rover-discovery-to-get-some-off-road-cred

[catch-22]

Boom-tish. Ye of little faith. LR hasn't abandoned their core values. They've enhanced them!

[catch-22]

I really hate how mags compare this to the Prado. Um, no it don't ya *****. 200 series. The RR is in a class of its own.

[ozscott]

Mmmmmm!!
https://www.4x4australia.com.au/news/1610/new-land-rover-discovery-to-get-some-off-road-cred
Giddy up... If the D5 is set to get 18's that means Defender to be better will have to have smaller rims again or higher stock profile height on 18's...there is hope yet. Good to see. As for speaking of G4 typically LR's left people in the cold for decent genuine accessories so again it would be good to see quality bull bars (with pedestrian air bag of course...), winches etc.

Cheers

[catch-22]

Yeah good point Scott. Hell, even I'm looking forward to the new defer now :D

[scarry]

There are a few rumours of a D5 'rugged version' appearing.......interesting

So there is some truth to the rumour,available in Aus,who knows:confused:

They are saying it will be........

With no Defender,they needed to do something.

[Tombie]

What? And no one has anything to say about the engine being 2.0L 4cyl [emoji41]

[scarry]

What? And no one has anything to say about the engine being 2.0L 4cyl [emoji41]

Nope,just happy to have some descent rubber....:p:D

[DI5CO]

So there is some truth to the rumour,available in Aus,who knows:confused:

They are saying it will be........

With no Defender,they needed to do something.



Yes I think they always had plans for an off road lol version. This was reported over 6m ago.

http://www.motoring.com.au/hardcore-land-rover-discovery-svx-coming-101869/

[ozscott]

What? And no one has anything to say about the engine being 2.0L 4cyl [emoji41]
Tombie I am a fan given the half tonnes diet. And a new donk with hopefully zero crank issues would be a good thing (no I'm not being critical cause it would seem that not many V6's have dramas but it would be nice to have a small, very economical diesel that hopefully is one of those motors that on 10 years time people love as a reliable donk for a tourer that is not required for heavy towing duties... I can see a niche for Offroad enthusiasts and perhaps the same engine will be likely available in Deefer...! )

Cheers

[PAT303]

What? And no one has anything to say about the engine being 2.0L 4cyl [emoji41]

She'll be right as long as it can go over the ton :p, and use less fuel than a toybota while doing it. :cool: Pat

[Tombie]

She'll be right as long as it can go over the ton :p, and use less fuel than a toybota while doing it. :cool: Pat



As long as it can do that with 3500 kg and not be any slower than the cruiser.

It will be hard enough to convince many that 2.0 is good enough considering 3.0 struggles to entice many who have the boof head "cubes" mentality.

[scarry]

But the 2l, 4cyl has similar power and torque as the existing 3.0l TDV6,and the vehicle is around 400kg lighter,so it shouldn't be a slug.

But convincing many will be the issue,particularly if towing.

[Tombie]

But the 2l, 4cyl has similar power and torque as the existing 3.0l TDV6,and the vehicle is around 400kg lighter,so it shouldn't be a slug.



But convincing many will be the issue,particularly if towing.



I agree completely. I just hope the thought of a small engine capable of big things doesn't scare away some.

At a time when for instance the Amarok - a very nice 2L engine is now going 3L V6 propulsion.

And my interests don't lay with how quick it is unladen, but how it goes with my CrossOver on the back...

[PAT303]

As long as it can do that with 3500 kg and not be any slower than the cruiser.

It will be hard enough to convince many that 2.0 is good enough considering 3.0 struggles to entice many who have the boof head "cubes" mentality.

Plenty of boof head cubes mentality where you've been hanging out :angel:. Pat

[PAT303]

But the 2l, 4cyl has similar power and torque as the existing 3.0l TDV6,and the vehicle is around 400kg lighter,so it shouldn't be a slug.

But convincing many will be the issue,particularly if towing.

400kg lighter,an engine designed by Williams F1,no T/C to suck power,plenty of gears with a shift pattern that is mated to the torque curve,plenty of aero,best suspension/steering there is.I don't think the D5 will have trouble. Pat

[BMKal]

Anyone who doubts the capability of a decent 2.0 litre 4 cyl diesel really should go for a run with someone in an Amarok. ;)

My young bloke's ROK would blow the doors off my Disco any day of the week on the highway, and has no problems at all pulling a heavy load. When we go out getting firewood, we load both trailers up close to the top of the cage (his trailer is larger than mine - 7x5 vs 6x4) AND we usually put another half tonne or so in the back of the ute. It is me who struggles to keep up with him on the way home. ;)

And with the 8 speed auto in the ROK - you don't need low range for anything that the average person is going to use the vehicle for.

The Disco does outclass him in comfort - and through mud holes. :D

Might be a different story though when he gets the new wheels he has on order and has some decent tyres on it.

[scarry]

400kg lighter,an engine designed by Williams F1,no T/C to suck power,plenty of gears with a shift pattern that is mated to the torque curve,plenty of aero,best suspension/steering there is.I don't think the D5 will have trouble. Pat

The LR figures for the D5 show it is quicker 0 to 100 with the low output 2litre than the current D4 TDV6(low output 3L):o

I wonder how the figures compare with a 3t van on the back?:D

[Melbourne Park]

I really hate how mags compare this to the Prado. Um, no it don't ya *****. 200 series. The RR is in a class of its own.

The Prado is a bit limited on towing, due to I think 3 tonne maximum, and also, it is limited on its toe bar weight. It does have a full chassis though, which doesn't stress the vehicle when towing, hence a chassis promises long life for the body.

The LR D5 seems limited on its tow ball weight, which since it doesn't seem to be due to the rear suspension carrying capacity, I guess its due to the limitations of its alloy monocoque? And while its much lighter than a D4, add a 3 tonne trailer and the difference in weight between the two is no longer such a big deal. And an old rule of towing is that the tug should weigh more than the van behind.

I suspect for towing off road 3 or 3.5 tonne vans, the trend is to 4 or even two seater utes. With a ute you get at least half a chassis!! Perhaps the new Defender will give us considerable off road towing ...

[Grentarc]

The Prado is a bit limited on towing, due to I think 3 tonne maximum, and also, it is limited on its toe bar weight. It does have a full chassis though, which doesn't stress the vehicle when towing, hence a chassis promises long life for the body.

The LR D5 seems limited on its tow ball weight, which since it doesn't seem to be due to the rear suspension carrying capacity, I guess its due to the limitations of its alloy monocoque? And while its much lighter than a D4, add a 3 tonne trailer and the difference in weight between the two is no longer such a big deal. And an old rule of towing is that the tug should weigh more than the van behind.

I suspect for towing off road 3 or 3.5 tonne vans, the trend is to 4 or even two seater utes. With a ute you get at least half a chassis!! Perhaps the new Defender will give us considerable off road towing ...
I think the low tow ball weight is more to do with the fact it is a UK designed car and they recommend 6-8% tow ball weight, and also the D5 has steel front and rear subframes, which is where the tow kit should be anchored.
The D3/D4 only have a 10% (350kg) tow ball weight in Australia.

[Tombie]

The Prado is a bit limited on towing, due to I think 3 tonne maximum, and also, it is limited on its toe bar weight. It does have a full chassis though, which doesn't stress the vehicle when towing, hence a chassis promises long life for the body.

The LR D5 seems limited on its tow ball weight, which since it doesn't seem to be due to the rear suspension carrying capacity, I guess its due to the limitations of its alloy monocoque? And while its much lighter than a D4, add a 3 tonne trailer and the difference in weight between the two is no longer such a big deal. And an old rule of towing is that the tug should weigh more than the van behind.

I suspect for towing off road 3 or 3.5 tonne vans, the trend is to 4 or even two seater utes. With a ute you get at least half a chassis!! Perhaps the new Defender will give us considerable off road towing ...



The Utes are not a popular tug at 3-3.5t

[DI5CO]

Just read this on car sales

Check out this article.
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/reviews/2016/4x4-Offroad/Land-Rover/Discovery/land-rover-discovery-2017-review-105048

[cripesamighty]

Maybe I read that wrong, but that article suggests that air bag suspension and low range are now options on the D5 in Australia. That might make sense for a number of reasons, but I wouldn't be too thrilled if I was upgrading from a D4 and found I had to pay extra for something that came standard on my old vehicle.

[DI5CO]

Yeah well that's what they do, annoyingly! D3 started with springs too. It would be ok I guess if they started the entry price accordingly. I'm probably going to have to wait for a runout D6 before I can afford another Disco lol.
Anyway I guess we will have to wait and see when they release the Aussie specs as to what suspension , tow hitch, low range etc otherwise this discussion will go on forever as to what they may or may not do!!

[Grentarc]

Yeah well that's what they do, annoyingly! D3 started with springs too. It would be ok I guess if they started the entry price accordingly. I'm probably going to have to wait for a runout D6 before I can afford another Disco lol.
Anyway I guess we will have to wait and see when they release the Aussie specs as to what suspension , tow hitch, low range etc otherwise this discussion will go on forever as to what they may or may not do!!

The "S" model is the only one without 2 speed transfer case and EAS as standard, and the "S" will not be available when they first come to Australia - this has been stated by Land Rover quite a few times, and in this file which has all the specs and option packs (and their cost)

[catch-22]

The article also mentioned a price hike of $12k for the entry level version. So presumably, if we get the S, then $12k more for springs.

Too many conflicting stories. In any case, it all sounds like the marketers rule the roost at LR

[Grentarc]

The article also mentioned a price hike of $12k for the entry level version. So presumably, if we get the S, then $12k more for springs.
Well, dealers here still don't have prices for the individual models - and they are the ones taking orders - , only for the options pack, so I am not sure how they got an Australian price when over in Scotland test driving a prototype?

[catch-22]

Yeah I popped in over the weekend. No detail.

They're also forbidden to call it a D5. It's the "All New Discovery" [emoji41]

[Bohica]

Yeah I popped in over the weekend. No detail.

They're also forbidden to call it a D5. It's the "All New Discovery" [emoji41]

So that's what we will all have to call it then. The D5!!!
No need to upset the marketeers.

[scarry]

And if you look at the LR Ads in the local paper here,they say"secure the last of a legend"

Then go on to say "Its been 25yrs since Discovery took on its first epic adventure,and with the imminent arrival of the all new Discovery Austral Land Rover present a limited time opportunity to secure the last of a legend.Test Drive your new Discovery today before they disappear"

A bit weird,so is this new Discovery really a Discovery?:confused:

[RHS58]

A bit weird,so is this new Discovery really a Discovery?:confused:

This is something we will discover soon;)

[Tombie]

This is something we will discover soon;)



It's an All New one [emoji13]

[scarry]

It's an All New one [emoji13]

Unlike some of the toyonissanmitsyjap brigade.

A quick change of a few body panels,leave everything else the same,and we have an all new model.:D:eek:

[ozscott]

And if you look at the LR Ads in the local paper here,they say"secure the last of a legend"

Then go on to say "Its been 25yrs since Discovery took on its first epic adventure,and with the imminent arrival of the all new Discovery Austral Land Rover present a limited time opportunity to secure the last of a legend.Test Drive your new Discovery today before they disappear"

A bit weird,so is this new Discovery really a Discovery?:confused:
Yes,Just not old enough to be a legend

Cheers

[catch-22]

Carsales has the discovery listed. 72 for the td4.....

[101RRS]

Here is a pic lifted form the DiscoUK site of a D5 next to a DS

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/01/823.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/gazzz21/media/Forum%20Posts%20Album/D5%20compared%20to%20DS_zpssbunnwf2.jpeg.html)

They basically look the same - almost exactly like the current US Explorer.

Why would you buy a base model D5 when the same looking DS has similar capabilities and a much cheaper price.

I really do think that LR has lost the plot with the new D5 - why make it look like everything else on offer in the lineup.

Garry

[Grentarc]

Here is a pic lifted form the DiscoUK site of a D5 next to a DS

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/01/823.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/gazzz21/media/Forum%20Posts%20Album/D5%20compared%20to%20DS_zpssbunnwf2.jpeg.html)

They basically look the same - almost exactly like the current US Explorer.

Why would you buy a base model D5 when the same looking DS has similar capabilities and a much cheaper price.

I really do think that LR has lost the plot with the new D5 - why make it look like everything else on offer in the lineup.

Garry
A DS doesn't can't have 2 speed transfer, can't tow as much, doesn't have EAS, doesn't have e-diff etc etc...

[DI5CO]

A DS doesn't can't have 2 speed transfer, can't tow as much, doesn't have EAS, doesn't have e-diff etc etc...



Either does the base D5 which is what garrycol was getting at.

[Grentarc]

Either does the base D5 which is what garrycol was getting at.
But who knows when that will come to Australia?? LR have stated it won't be available in base trim for a while

[101RRS]

But who knows when that will come to Australia?? LR have stated it won't be available in base trim for a while

Maybe but ultimately it will - but my point is also why make the cars look the same to the passing glance.

My RRS is now 10 years old and I am thinking about a replacement in the next couple years - I like the current RRS but prices are not dropping and to get get full offroad spec is expensive - the DS/D5 does nothing for me (a full offroad Evoque if they ever came available would be good) so it looks like the RRS might have a few more years in it yet - I cannot see the D5 being as good a seller as the old D4 was.

Garry

[Mk1_Oz]

Somebody beat that with the ugly stick! No 'upgrade' for me.......

4 cylinder engine may have some poke but will it last as well as a 6 cylinder as it is presumably more stressed?

[Tombie]

Brand recognition is a powerful entity..

BMW has always had it, Jeep has always had it, now LR has it...

[Tombie]

Here is a pic lifted form the DiscoUK site of a D5 next to a DS

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/01/823.jpg (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/gazzz21/media/Forum%20Posts%20Album/D5%20compared%20to%20DS_zpssbunnwf2.jpeg.html)

They basically look the same - almost exactly like the current US Explorer.

Why would you buy a base model D5 when the same looking DS has similar capabilities and a much cheaper price.

I really do think that LR has lost the plot with the new D5 - why make it look like everything else on offer in the lineup.

Garry



The DS is significantly smaller inside.

[Disco-tastic]

The DS is significantly smaller inside.
...and outside.

[scarry]

Maybe but ultimately it will - but my point is also why make the cars look the same to the passing glance.

My RRS is now 10 years old and I am thinking about a replacement in the next couple years - I like the current RRS but prices are not dropping and to get get full offroad spec is expensive - the DS/D5 does nothing for me (a full offroad Evoque if they ever came available would be good) so it looks like the RRS might have a few more years in it yet - I cannot see the D5 being as good a seller as the old D4 was.

Garry

Many said that when the D3 came out,replacing the D2a.

How wrong they were.

I recon the LR sales will be slow for the first half of the year,no Defender(which wasn't much of a seller anyway),and when the D4 runs out,no replacement for a good few months.
Same happened when they went from D1 to D2.

[scarry]

Here is a pic lifted form the DiscoUK site of a D5 next to a DS

They basically look the same - almost exactly like the current US Explorer.

Why would you buy a base model D5 when the same looking DS has similar capabilities and a much cheaper price.

I really do think that LR has lost the plot with the new D5 - why make it look like everything else on offer in the lineup.

Garry

Agree totally,a passing glance from Jo public,they look the same.Throw in a RRS,and a RR,they all look very very similar.

Too similar to me,they need their own individuality.

Something needs to really stand out,to separate one model from the other,apart from price,as with the current D4.

Time will tell i suppose,

Just my 2cents worth;)

[PeterJ]

Well, that picture above really is the DS on the photocopier and 125% enlargement, does seem a bit of a shame that the LR range seems to have lost the model individuality that existed................not sure if that is actually progress but that is where we are. Some of the technical changes are at least a big step in the right direction, I like what I see in the pictures but I for one can not wait to see it in the flesh and unless some unthinkably horrible event happens to the current D4 I am sitting very happily where I am.

Roll on the public release..................:)

[BobD]

I have a new DS with the highest powered Ingenium engine for around town use. Although the tech is fantastic the D4 is so much better in all NVH aspects and suspension comfort that you would think they were from a different planet. Mine even has the electronic shock absorbers which adjust the shock absorber settings 1000 times per minute but it is noisy (both engine and road noise), very jiggley ride and crashes noisily over any sharp bumps. Off road it feels like it has no springs! Not in the same league as a D4.


I expect that the D5 will be at least as good as the D4 in that department so there won't be any comparison between the D5 and the DS, apart from the looks!


I should add that there is nothing wrong with the DS NVH or suspension. It is very good compared with other similar cars but not as good as a D4 or, hopefully, a D5.