2.2 Puma Defender Fuel Economy

[jplambs]

I know that this has been covered before however I couldn't find a thread on the newer version engine.

What sort of fuel consumption are people getting on their 2.2 litre engines? Mine has now done 3500kms and so far the best I have managed is around 12.5/100. The worst was yesterday towing an 9x7 trailer set up to carry bulls - it has a lot of wind resistance and I was doing 110 - that did 17.5/100. Still that's alot better than the rodeo that used to do 21/100 pulling the same trailer.

My vehicle is a 130 with a tray that weighs in at 2.2 tonnes when fueled and I almost exclusively do open road driving at 110kms.

How are your's fairing? and did it change once you had done a few more Km's?

Cheers.

[BigBlueOne]

I've got a 2.2 D90 and am not sure of my exact fuel consumption but on the last full tank (approx 55 litres) I managed to get around 550km's. That was just normally driving to and from work, sport etc. I find that on 110 km/h speed limit roads if I drop back to 100km/h I get a lot better fuel consumption. On a recent fishing trip to Jurien Bay I used just over half a tank from Perth going there doing 110km/h and on the way back just under half doing 100km/h. During the drive i only had the Waeco and fishing gear so nothing too heavy.

[tequesta]

D90 2.2 - Getting about 10.5L/100 with the daily commute.
Average about 500km from 50l for highway driving.

[carlschmid2002]

I have done 15000 km now and it has loosened up a bit. I drive around town and then I do the occasion run down the Hume Syd-Mel. It is a lot better if you stay under 105km/h. I get 12.5 on 115 down the Hume and 10 around town. They are as aerodynamic as a block of flats but I did expect better.

[JayBoRover]

My fuel consumption (all in lts/100km) per tank since new (now done about 3,500 kms):
11.5 - Open road 350 kms and then commuting. (New engine tight)
10.7 - Commuting
10.4 - Commuting
?? - Forgot to note the km's
10.9 - Open road and commuting 1:1
10.8 - Commuting
11.3 - Commuting with roof tent on
12.1 - Commuting plus open road 230kms with roof tent, fridge, camping gear

I'm pretty happy with the economy. I don't thrash it and pretty much stick to the speed limits and drive fairly conservatively but certainly don't dawdle along. (I race off-road navigation rallies on motorcycles for my speed thrills!).

[Drover]

Mine is a 2.4, but essentialy the same donk.

You will get much better economy at 100 km/h than 110. If you are in rush then sacrifice the extra fuel, otherwise do a 100, and save the $$$$

Mine will do 1050 to 1100 ( loaded or a trip ) on 115L at 100k's, push it 110k's and it will drop to 900 to 950.

Oh it has a 140L tank.

Cheers.

[Tombie]

So the new engines meet stricter emissions legislation, yet consume more fuel to do the job than the EU2/EU3 TD5s were getting :o

A disappointing result me thinks!

My 200kw TD5 Defender would get 10.5's on 33's weighing in at 2,800kg... At 110km/h.....

I'm surprised I must say...

[Tombie]

Lets hope they loosen up and by 10,000km are running nicer.

[JayBoRover]

So the new engines meet stricter emissions legislation, yet consume more fuel to do the job than the EU2/EU3 TD5s were getting :o

A disappointing result me thinks!

My 200kw TD5 Defender would get 10.5's on 33's weighing in at 2,800kg... At 110km/h.....

I'm surprised I must say...
WOW! Those are impressive figures! 200kW!!! I guess you need that to push along 33's and 2800kg, but at 10.5 lt/100km is pretty amazing. I'm the one that's surprised, I must say! I'd wonder what I can do to improve mine, but mine is already pretty good compared to a few others. How did you get 200kW from a TD5 and maintain such brilliant economy? You have thread going somewhere with details?
Cheers

[Tombie]

WOW! Those are impressive figures! 200kW!!! I guess you need that to push along 33's and 2800kg, but at 10.5 lt/100km is pretty amazing. I'm the one that's surprised, I must say! I'd wonder what I can do to improve mine, but mine is already pretty good compared to a few others. How did you get 200kW from a TD5 and maintain such brilliant economy? You have thread going somewhere with details?
Cheers

The vehicle in question was known as "Lara" and is now happily living in Blknights parents house somewhere in Perth...

[PAT303]

So the new engines meet stricter emissions legislation, yet consume more fuel to do the job than the EU2/EU3 TD5s were getting :o

A disappointing result me thinks!

My 200kw TD5 Defender would get 10.5's on 33's weighing in at 2,800kg... At 110km/h.....

I'm surprised I must say...

Funny isn't it,hang crap off the engine to improve polution emissions but because of it the engine uses more fuel???,like the Td5 an instant improvement can be had by turning the EGR off and again with a de-cat pipe but the TDCi will never match a Tdi for economy. Pat

[oldyella 76]

Just back from a trip from Bendigo , Karumba, to Melville Bay on the Cape and back, up into the hinterland lots of times on the way back along the coast, towing a Daintree Cub Camper.
Just worked out at 12.58 Lt to the 100 K's average. It is about the same as the Td5 towing the same camper. Have not tried it solo as yet. Maybe it will loosen up a bit more.
Lindsay.

[jplambs]

Thanks Oldyella, how many total kms have you done? That's pretty good consumption for towing.

[oldyella 76]

Have done 13,740 to date. Very happy with the car. Much better than the TD5. It will probably loosen up a bit more.
Lindsay

[MuzzyDelta90]

I have found that if you are carrying a lot of stuff in the back and travelling over 100km/hour then the fuel economy drops quite dramatically. After all, the Defenders have the aerodynamics of a barn door. On a recent trip down to Falls Creek for a week in the snow, I sat on about 110km and the fuel economy dropped quite dramatically. On the way home, I sat on about 100 km/hr which is a nice cruising speed for D90 and got much better economy on the Hume Hwy.

[Mr Abercrombie]

Hi,

2.2 Puma 90 just done 3500K's.

Getting about 500 to 550kms to a full tank (approx $65 to fill). Much better than my petrol Jeep Wrangler: $85 to fill and lucky to get 430 -450 to the tank.

Loving my Defender.

BTW: Does the 2.2 mean it's a Puma II??!!

[djam1]

Tombie behave any criticism of these things is like blaspheming the Pope in Vatican City.

[Tombie]

Hi,

2.2 Puma 90 just done 3500K's.

Getting about 500 to 550kms to a full tank (approx $65 to fill). Much better than my petrol Jeep Wrangler: $85 to fill and lucky to get 430 -450 to the tank.

Loving my Defender.

BTW: Does the 2.2 mean it's a Puma II??!!

10.47l/100km (I split the difference to 525km and 55 litres)

Now answer this... $65.00 for 55 litres = $1.18 per litre.

Where the hell are you getting diesel so cheap ;):angel:

[inside]

...but the TDCi will never match a Tdi for economy.
Producing 7kW doesn't require a lot of fuel.....

[jplambs]

10.47l/100km (I split the difference to 525km and 55 litres)

Now answer this... $65.00 for 55 litres = $1.18 per litre.

Where the hell are you getting diesel so cheap ;):angel:

That was what I was about to ask Tombie, must be the cheapest servo in the country.

[Defender Mike]

Is Tombie going to put out a ECU upgrade for the 2.2 similar to the TD5 . I have read that in the JAG it puts out around 40% more power.

My 90 now with 9000 ks gets almost 500ks to a tank so its around 10ks to a litre i have put in 58 litres in once . I know it was low and we had done 484 ks some of which was on a beach and through deep sand in low range. We were waiting for limp mode and just made it to a garage before it happend. We were reading the manual to see what was going to happen. 2 dolium long range tanks are on their way from Dainel at Mulgo. WA is a big place with few fuel stops. :)
Mike

[DefenderJim]

My 2.2 110, gets around the 12-12.5 per 100 on open road, much worse than LRA will tell you (9 on the open road). But agree that dropping it to 100 rather than 110 definately helps..or else just pop in behind a truck!!;) Havent used it around town much, so can't comment what difference that would make. But I would also love to hear from anyone who has any ideas on how to drop this down at all.

[Grappler]

2012 2.2 Puma 130 HCPU got 11.5l/100km when it was new.
Since adding bullbar, ally canopy and roofrack it still gets 11.5/100. All rural driving- highway and bushtrack

However the speedo reads high (compared to GPS) so I presume the odo is also high. So my calculations may be about 6% low making it really 12.2/100

[4range]

From this thread, I get the message that either the 2.2 is not as economic as the 2.4, or I get freakishly good economy!

I have been watching my economy over the last few weeks, and have seen as good as 9.1l per 100k's.(as high as 10.5l/100)

that's in an empty 110 wagon, unladen, easy (early morning) city traffic averaging between 200 - 300 k's per week !

Must be the superb aerodynamics (I dont have a roof rack!)

[VK3UTE]

My 2.4 is about the same as 4ranges, 9.4l per 100 in the city and 10.5 on the Hwy. No roof rack and she is empty most of the time. Better than the MY08 hilux I had:p

[seano87]

My 2.2 110, gets around the 12-12.5 per 100 on open road, much worse than LRA will tell you (9 on the open road). But agree that dropping it to 100 rather than 110 definately helps..or else just pop in behind a truck!!;) Havent used it around town much, so can't comment what difference that would make. But I would also love to hear from anyone who has any ideas on how to drop this down at all.

Actually have a look at how the fuel consumption numbers are devised ... the extra-urban cycle is not what I'd call a highway or freeway run ...

http://www.greenvehicleguide.gov.au/GVGPublicUI/Information.aspx'type=FuelConsumptionLabel

http://www.greenvehicleguide.gov.au/GVGPublicUI/StaticContent/image/ADR81TestCycle.JPG


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[Drover]

However the speedo reads high (compared to GPS) so I presume the odo is also high. So my calculations may be about 6% low making it really 12.2/100

All the PUMA speedo's indicate faster then their actual road speed, so anybody calculating their fuel economy from their odometer....the figures are flawed in favor of better fuel consumption.

[n plus one]

The variations are all in the right foot of the driver - I thought my 2.4 was thirsty (12.5-13.5l/100k) until I followed a similarly equipped 110 (mud tyres, roof rack, bullbar, cargo drawers, etc) and discovered that mine can easily return 9l/100k.

Unfortunately I find that maintaining that type of economy for any distance would be very expensive (cos' I'd deliberately drive the truck into a tree to make the misery stop). Consequently I've decided to fit a chip, bigger intercooler, bigger tyres, more lift, another 150 liters of fuel capacity and a new winch in an attempt to get better economy...:angel:

[rdungavell]

For my MY12 110 Wagon I got:
Odometer (km) L/100 km
1198 10.8837
1683 10.5588
2222 10.4638
2837 10.8407
3222 13.774
5851 10.833
6711 10.9907


The 13.774 was from a day of winching with the 110 idling for long periods of time.
All in all pretty good economy. The small increase over time is probably due to a weight increase from bullbar, winch, drawer etc.

[PAT303]

I've just done 3k driving to Perth and back and struggled to get 450k's out of a tank on average,how are you blokes getting 10ltres per 100??. Pat

[seano87]

All the PUMA speedo's indicate faster then their actual road speed, so anybody calculating their fuel economy from their odometer....the figures are flawed in favor of better fuel consumption.

The speedometer and odometer are not necessarily both out by 6%... most vehicles will read the speed slightly higher than actual, but the odometer is typically much more accurate.

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[drzzt]

Just did Canberra to Sale, Vic and used 55 litres for 580 k, but that was 80 to 100 kph. Coming back from Melbourne on the Hume doing 115, 90 litres so it doesn't take much to suck up more juice.

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[isuzurover]

... the TDCi will never match a Tdi for economy. Pat

Commonrail engines are inherently more efficient. Remove the cat (etc.) and egt, turn the fuelling down to get the same power as a tdi and fuel consumption would be even better than a tdi.

[PAT303]

Good point. Pat

[wally]

The variations are all in the right foot of the driver - I thought my 2.4 was thirsty (12.5-13.5l/100k) until I followed a similarly equipped 110 (mud tyres, roof rack, bullbar, cargo drawers, etc) and discovered that mine can easily return 9l/100k.

Unfortunately I find that maintaining that type of economy for any distance would be very expensive (cos' I'd deliberately drive the truck into a tree to make the misery stop). Consequently I've decided to fit a chip, bigger intercooler, bigger tyres, more lift, another 150 liters of fuel capacity and a new winch in an attempt to get better economy...:angel:

Why does everyone need to drive so fast? 100km/h is fast enough in a Defender. Why buy one if you want to tear about at high speed? There are better vehicles on the market for doing that. Slow down and enjoy the scenery.

[newhue]

Have done a 3000km road trip with a Tdi and my 2.4Tdci. We were within 5lt of of each other each time we filled up. That was at 90km/h highway pressures. On a recent trip out west with lower pressures, varring drag of good dirt roads, and at 90 to 100km/h all I could get was 450km out of a tank.
At 100km/h and highway pressures I can get 550km out of 65lt. Not sure of lt/100 it all is but it's never far enough.

[PAT303]

Why does everyone need to drive so fast? 100km/h is fast enough in a Defender. Why buy one if you want to tear about at high speed? There are better vehicles on the market for doing that. Slow down and enjoy the scenery.

Because some of us live in remote outback Australia and looking at the scenery gets old after 500k's into a 1200k trip. Pat

[Naks]

Because some of us live in remote outback Australia and looking at the scenery gets old after 500k's into a 1200k trip. Pat

move to a place with better scenery? :p

[Tombie]

Why does everyone need to drive so fast? 100km/h is fast enough in a Defender. Why buy one if you want to tear about at high speed? There are better vehicles on the market for doing that. Slow down and enjoy the scenery.

Because its dangerous and boring to drive hundreds of kilometers and take an extra 2 hours...

And because its bloody annoying and dangerous for everyone holding up traffic or being held up by people doing exactly that...

Impatience breeds frustration, which breeds poor decision making which leads to incidents. Frustrated motorists being some of the worst.

[djam1]

Why does everyone need to drive so fast? 100km/h is fast enough in a Defender. Why buy one if you want to tear about at high speed? There are better vehicles on the market for doing that. Slow down and enjoy the scenery.

Try living in the Outback I have been known to have 1600 Km days
Despite what the do gooders tell you 16 hours at 100 Km/h is not safer than sitting on a speed that will keep you attentive.
I lived in the Territory for years when they had no speed limits I am no an advocate of running at excessive speed, most people seemed to settle at 120-130 Km/h.

[isuzurover]

Why does everyone need to drive so fast? 100km/h is fast enough in a Defender. Why buy one if you want to tear about at high speed? There are better vehicles on the market for doing that. Slow down and enjoy the scenery.

I have driven Bris-Perth 5 times in the last 5 years. There are only so many different routes you can take (or things to see on the way), and sometimes you are pressed for time.

[PAT303]

I've done Pilbara/goldfields to Sydney 5 times in 5 years,let me know next time your going and we'll do the Talawana/Canning/Gary highway to Alice route,thats a nice drive. Pat

[wally]

Because its dangerous and boring to drive hundreds of kilometers and take an extra 2 hours...

And because its bloody annoying and dangerous for everyone holding up traffic or being held up by people doing exactly that...

Impatience breeds frustration, which breeds poor decision making which leads to incidents. Frustrated motorists being some of the worst.

Learn to be patient. Impatience, not obeying speed limits or driving at respectable speeds, causes accidents. I said 100km/h, not 70km/h.

[wally]

Try living in the Outback I have been known to have 1600 Km days
Despite what the do gooders tell you 16 hours at 100 Km/h is not safer than sitting on a speed that will keep you attentive.
I lived in the Territory for years when they had no speed limits I am no an advocate of running at excessive speed, most people seemed to settle at 120-130 Km/h.

I lived in some of the more remote parts of the NT for 8 years. My work took me all over the NT. It was nothing to drive from Alice out to the Qld border for a job and return the next day. I also spent two years in southern Cape York Peninsula. Does any of that count? Sure, I didn't always get around at 100km/h but it was only impatience that made me do it. I didn't need to, and I don't accept that it's safer not to.

[Rustbucket]

We have had our 110 since 2010 and have travelled 34000 km in that time. We don't flog the car and have never had worse than 12.5/100km and that was towing a camper trailer. We usually get high 9s to low 10s/100kms. Doing a mixture of driving including off road trails.

[Hoges]

Damned if I can find it... but there's a univ. report somewhere on the Net wherein students undertook a supervised engineering study on the effects of aerodynamic drag on fuel economy. They had a vehicle on a dyno in a wind tunnel.... also measured effects of aircon (~ 0.5 l/100km) open windows( 0.5-1l/100km), roof rack -empty (1-2 L/100km).

Apparently these aerodynamic effects become quite pronounced above 80kmh ...where the inverse square law really bites...double the drag =X4 the power needed to maintain the speed...

Apparently the rush to fit "supermarket trolly wheels" as spare tyres in modern cars is all part of the demand for lower emissions. A spare wheel (full size) is worth 0.2 -0.5L/100km in some marques

FYI!

cheers

[PAT303]

My TDCi uses the same amount of fuel at 80 that it does at 110,450k's from a tank,I do 110.Interesting enough it still gets 450k's from a tank with the cub camper on the back,work that out. Pat

[MuzzyDelta90]

Apparently the rush to fit "supermarket trolly wheels" as spare tyres in modern cars is all part of the demand for lower emissions. A spare wheel (full size) is worth 0.2 -0.5L/100km in some marques


I would guess that the 'rush' to fit those weird spare wheels, or the current trend of no spare wheel at all, is mainly cost driven - ie it's cheaper not to fit one and still charge the same price. Bit like the Qantas olive scenario. Remember in the olden days cars used to come with tool kits and even tyre pumps - now you are lucky to even get a jack handle - and I suppose that with the new cars with no spare wheel, you won't even get that as you don't need one. Sure, the less weight will give you more mileage but what happens when you get a flat tyre?

[wally]

I would guess that the 'rush' to fit those weird spare wheels, or the current trend of no spare wheel at all, is mainly cost driven - ie it's cheaper not to fit one and still charge the same price. Bit like the Qantas olive scenario. Remember in the olden days cars used to come with tool kits and even tyre pumps - now you are lucky to even get a jack handle - and I suppose that with the new cars with no spare wheel, you won't even get that as you don't need one. Sure, the less weight will give you more mileage but what happens when you get a flat tyre?

Ring Land Rover Assist?

[PAT303]

I would guess that the 'rush' to fit those weird spare wheels, or the current trend of no spare wheel at all, is mainly cost driven - ie it's cheaper not to fit one and still charge the same price. Bit like the Qantas olive scenario. Remember in the olden days cars used to come with tool kits and even tyre pumps - now you are lucky to even get a jack handle - and I suppose that with the new cars with no spare wheel, you won't even get that as you don't need one. Sure, the less weight will give you more mileage but what happens when you get a flat tyre?

Have a look at the ''poverty pack'' 200 series if you want bugger all for your money,at a miserly 85k on road :eek:. Pat

[scarry]

Have a look at the ''poverty pack'' 200 series if you want bugger all for your money,at a miserly 85k on road :eek:. Pat

but hang on,you do get lots of dealers all over the place,because you will need them:angel:

[PAT303]

Funny enough they are mine specials built for the mines yet I've only seen one here so far. Pat

[Grappler]

2012 2.2 Puma 130 HCPU got 11.5l/100km when it was new.
Since adding bullbar, ally canopy and roofrack it still gets 11.5/100. All rural driving- highway and bushtrack

However the speedo reads high (compared to GPS) so I presume the odo is also high. So my calculations may be about 6% low making it really 12.2/100

I presumed because the speedo reads high the odo would also read high. Not so.
Did some tests since posting and the odo is spoton. So no correction required to fuel consumption calcs. My 2.2 130 is consistently 11.5

[jplambs]

I too did some experiments with the odometer Grappler and it came back dead accurate, 24.8 kms from Ag and Auto in town to my front gate and that's what the odo keeps coming back at. I filled up the tank this evening when it was on 53kms and it only took 4.79 litres, filled it up to the point that it was just starting to trickle out of the fill pipe on both occasions so I'm fairly confident that, that is what it used. That the first time I've come back under 10/100 and I managed a 9, this thing has got me confused. Within that 50kms about half of it was 80kmh and the other 110kmh. Yet when I tried 80kmh consistently this week it still used over 12/100.

[solmanic]

...Apparently the rush to fit "supermarket trolly wheels" as spare tyres in modern cars is all part of the demand for lower emissions. A spare wheel (full size) is worth 0.2 -0.5L/100km in some marques


What if you inflate the spare with helium?

[gouldier]

hi there guys I have a 130 single cab 2.2 lt its done 12000 ,I am getting 10.4 lt/100 km with no load

Gouldier

[scarry]

I presumed because the speedo reads high the odo would also read high. Not so.
Did some tests since posting and the odo is spoton. So no correction required to fuel consumption calcs. My 2.2 130 is consistently 11.5

thats ADR's odo has to be almost spot on,there is some % rule,while the speedo has to read higher than actual up to some %.
Most vehicles seem to be doing 96 to 97k/h while speedo is reading 100k/h.

[seano87]

thats ADR's odo has to be almost spot on,there is some % rule,while the speedo has to read higher than actual up to some %.
Most vehicles seem to be doing 96 to 97k/h while speedo is reading 100k/h.

4% odometer I believe, and speedometer is definitely up to +10%. Ie at 100kmh the speedo must read between 100 -110. Cannot under read.

[gng1]

How to people work out fuel economy? Is there an App which people use/recommend or is it all note pad and calculator stuff? Is there likely to be much difference to the figures according to your technique at the bowser (ie when to stop trying to put more juice in the tank without causing a spill...).

Our new puma seems to be doing 12.6 L/100km.

[Naks]

How to people work out fuel economy? Is there an App which people use/recommend or is it all note pad and calculator stuff? Is there likely to be much difference to the figures according to your technique at the bowser (ie when to stop trying to put more juice in the tank without causing a spill...).

Our new puma seems to be doing 12.6 L/100km.


1. Record the number of kms since the last fillup

2. Always fill up until the pump automatic shut-off and record number of litres

3. Reset odo to zero.

4. Input figures into Fuelly | Share and Compare Your MPG (http://www.fuelly.com)


;)

[Babs]

How to people work out fuel economy? Is there an App which people use/recommend or is it all note pad and calculator stuff? Is there likely to be much difference to the figures according to your technique at the bowser (ie when to stop trying to put more juice in the tank without causing a spill...).

Our new puma seems to be doing 12.6 L/100km.

You don't need an app.

Fill it up to the top zero your odometer then when you next fill up record the new litres you have put in and use them against the klm travelled. E.g

Yesterday I filled up 105L and my odo from last zero read 853klm

The calc is 105 divided by 8.53 = 12.3 L/100klm

Don't forget to put a decimal after your first figure in the klm 853klm calc as 8.53

I had been getting awful fuel figures when I first bought mine 15 & 16's I'm now since changing driving style averaging 12's but that's driving like a bitch, and if I drive like a grumpy 100 year old bitch I can get 11.8's if I drive it to keep up with traffic it goes up considerably

I want to get a bumper sticker that reads "If I had to overtake you in my Defender, get off the Bloody road, get your head checked" defenders should be the precedent on the slowest you are allowed to travel or take off from the traffic lights.
I really do feel sorry for people behind me at lights.

I really don't know how people achieve 10's & 9's??? Must not rev it over 1500rpm through every gear change an sit on 80klm everywhere including 110 speed zones :o

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[Naks]

I really don't know how people achieve 10's & 9's??? Must not rev it over 1500rpm through every gear change an sit on 80klm everywhere including 110 speed zones :o


BAS remap ;)

I drive the landy everyday to work. Once it's warmed up, I drive it like I stole it.

Gear changes are usually at 2500rpm, but on the long uphills to work, I keep it in the power band, changing at 3000-3500rpm.

[JayBoRover]

BAS remap ;)

I drive the landy everyday to work. Once it's warmed up, I drive it like I stole it.

Gear changes are usually at 2500rpm, but on the long uphills to work, I keep it in the power band, changing at 3000-3500rpm.
A BAS remap for the 2.2 is available now? Got any info? I know they are available for the 2.4, but the 2.2 is a bit different - both in the map and the fuel economy;).

[slovenia]

2,2 2012, 23000 km

145 km/h- 300 kg loaded 14,5 lit/100 km
110 km/h 11,8 lit/100 km

Best regards
Boštjan

[Babs]

A BAS remap for the 2.2 is available now? Got any info? I know they are available for the 2.4, but the 2.2 is a bit different - both in the map and the fuel economy;).

Yeah, I spoke with John Davis before I bought mine, he said that he would not have one until January. Well it's January, looks like I will have to call him, today. I'll keep you posted.

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[pushrod]

I use a free app called " road trip" .. Very Easy to use .
Graphs , trips and car expense as well in it..

Just got back from a 3500km road trip in my Puma.
Fully loaded , 4 people , packed roof racks etc..
Mostly sealed roads, but a bit of sand on Frazer island and
plenty of dirt in the Coffs hinterland

Average mileage was 11.4
Best was 10.1 and worst 12.9

I do have my EGR disconnected thought ( just unplugged with MiL always on)

Andre

[Naks]

A BAS remap for the 2.2 is available now? Got any info? I know they are available for the 2.4, but the 2.2 is a bit different - both in the map and the fuel economy;).


No, no remap for the 2.2 yet.


As far as fuel economy, the 2.2 will have worse economy than the 2.4 - stricter emissions controls, DPF, smaller capacity, etc.

[Babs]

BAS remap ;)

I drive the landy everyday to work. Once it's warmed up, I drive it like I stole it.

Gear changes are usually at 2500rpm, but on the long uphills to work, I keep it in the power band, changing at 3000-3500rpm.

2500 rpm is not driving like you stole it, you need that up to 3rd gear as a minimum. (Not having a dig at you, just saying) besides you would be the most caring thief out there, looking after someone's truck like that. :)

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[JohanSwarts]

If done 23000kms and I have an average of 10.9l/100km. Mixed use. Yours will hopefully losen up a bit.

[GlennWA]

2500 rpm is not driving like you stole it, you need that up to 3rd gear as a minimum. (Not having a dig at you, just saying) besides you would be the most caring thief out there, looking after someone's truck like that. :)

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Been experimenting in Sydney traffic this week and have found the engine has loosened up considerably and can pull 6th gear below 60km/hrs up hills with the tachometer just above 1000 without any noticeable vibration. The fuel gauge has hardly moved. Maybe the puma's don't need much revs. I haven't gone past 1500 on my way to work and back this week!

[Babs]

Been experimenting in Sydney traffic this week and have found the engine has loosened up considerably and can pull 6th gear below 60km/hrs up hills with the tachometer just above 1000 without any noticeable vibration. The fuel gauge has hardly moved. Maybe the puma's don't need much revs. I haven't gone past 1500 on my way to work and back this week!

Yeah, I manage to turn corners in 3rd & 4th and as long as the traffic keeps moving can drive in 6th like an auto. I was very surprised with the torque on tap. Just hate taking off from 1st.

1st 3000rpm
2nd 2200-2500 rpm
3rd 1800 rpm
4th "
5th "

I try not to push past 2500 rpm but sometimes you have to.

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[stephen.fenner]

My 2.2 110 has a big empty roof rack and its done 17,000 Km. Most trips are commuting, but I do a regular 500-600 Km round trip every few weeks, sometimes towing a light trailer. I once got a mileage of 10.6 but the usual is about 11.6. I'm surprised how consistent it is.

[debruiser]

My 2013 D90 is up to about 16000km. I get varying economy (there has been a similar thread running about it). I get between 10.5L/100 and 15L/100 depending on load, wind, speed... etc. Mostly I run empty going to and from work and change at roughly 2000 - 2100rpm, i'm happy to run her right down to 1000rpm. Towing something heavy ie. car trailer with another 4x4 on it I'll change a little higher, maybe 2200, or 2500 up hill.

I never got better than about 12L/100 until she got to somethign like 3000-4000kms on the clock. When I picked it up from the dealer to drive home (400kms) it was VERY tight and rough, but by the time I got home she was running and driving a lot better.

Currently I'm trying not to thrash my little beasty, I want her to last a LONG time. When I say that I'm thinking a good 30+ years.

[ezyrama]

Recent run to Sydney from the Gold Coast, I took the rack off as I wouldn't get it under cover down there with it on and got
10.1L/100km going down
10.9L/100km coming back (up hill)
Now have 29000km on the clock. Quite good for a besser block on wheel with a turning circle that encompasses 2 post codes.
Cheers Ian

[debruiser]

Should have said before that empty driving nicely I'll get around the 10.5L/100 at best. But depending on conditions gets worse from there....

[Witchdoctor]

My 2012 90 with 56000 is getting 9.6l/100 of both city & hwy

[Orkney 90]

Wow, I feel a lot better now. I just got back from a trip to the country to visit my parents and I got 550 kms from my 2013 Defender 90 with just over 3000kms on the clock. I was a little disappointed as I was sure I would get about 600 or more kms from the tank. I filled up with 52 litres od diesel. I calculated that at 9.45L/100kms. Which seems consistent with what I've read on here, perhaps even better than many others are getting. Hopefully I can get that figure even lower as the engine and drivetrain loosen more...

[Defender Mike]

I have a 2012 Defender 90 2.2 litre with 30,000ks on the clock.

We can get under 10L per 100ks on long trips if we keep speed down to 85 kph and relax. I have a bullbar , roofrack and rooftop tent that spoil the wonderful aerodynamics of the Defender. At 100 kph we get around 12lk per 100ks and at 120 around 16 L .Towing a car trailer with a series 1 on the back at 120kph pushes it up to 20L per 100ks.
With long range tanks filled adding an extra 80 litres we have a range of 1400 ks if we take it easy. Adding a cruise control will make this much easier to achieve.
There are now remaps available for the 2.2 Jag diesel that is fitted in the Jag horse power is up quite a bit so there is much room for improvement in power and also smoothness at lower speeds. I am hoping a remap and increase in HP may lead to not having to use 1st gear as much and improve economy at highway speeds.
Mike :)

[Grappler]

Attached is a spreadsheet with 10,000km fuel consumption data

2012 2.2 130 HCPU with alloy canopy and winchbar

Mostly highway with daily 10 minute off road (crawling in 1 high)

Average is 11.7 worst 12.8, best 11.2

[rgty_kmj]

Had the 110 from new for about a year now. Done 14134 km using 1480 litres of diesel. That's 10.5 litres per 100 km. Mostly longer trips keeping to the 100 km/hr speed limit.

Kerry

[ninetubes]

Looking for some advice on maximising my range in the scrub - think sand and gravel bush tracks 40-80km/h (excl the rocky, steeper, softer and more arduous sections)

I generally subscribe to the simple principals of; less revs and softly on the go-pedal, wherever possible

At lower speeds and especially in low range i try to just run at idle. When the tracks open up a bit and you get moving I try to aim for 1300-1500rpm. I feel below this might be laboring the engine a bit - is there any engine or drivetrain risk to running at close to idle speeds in 4th or 5th?

Any experience or recommendations welcome

[Beery]

Looking for some advice on maximising my range in the scrub - think sand and gravel bush tracks 40-80km/h (excl the rocky, steeper, softer and more arduous sections)

I generally subscribe to the simple principals of; less revs and softly on the go-pedal, wherever possible

At lower speeds and especially in low range i try to just run at idle. When the tracks open up a bit and you get moving I try to aim for 1300-1500rpm. I feel below this might be laboring the engine a bit - is there any engine or drivetrain risk to running at close to idle speeds in 4th or 5th?

Any experience or recommendations welcomeHi ninetubes
I like to keep the 2.2 chattering along at slightly higher revs than that. But it all depends on engine load. More load should be met with more revs, for oil pressure, cooling, natural inertia etc.
Personally, I limit load to something like 50% at 2000rpm for the 2.2 on a sliding scale (roughly speaking). Obviously its not always possible to do this though.
I'd avoid idle revs in anything higher than 3rd low / 1st high, again depending on load.

[BlackD90]

I get about 400 - 500Km max driving around about town in my 90.

I'm actually selling it if anyone is chasing a my15 90 in all black.

located in victoria.

Cheers

[DiscoMick]

Is the peak power output at about 2000rpm? If so, it should not be labouring or over-revving around that.

[martnH]

Is the peak power output at about 2000rpm? If so, it should not be labouring or over-revving around that.Exaxtly what I believe.

Torque is acceleration so the defender speed up at around max torque at 2k rev

However the max power is at 3.5k rev
So if you want to maintain that high speed on highway you probably should sit at 3.5k rev at 6th gear.

I also believe the bas remap moVes these number forward
This is my understanding....

[martnH]

On the other hand, I know what ninetubes means.

It is less likely to break traction with the defender idling so that's why sometimes you can get up a slope with an idling 1st low But you can't if you give it some gas....

Stupid manual gearbox [emoji28]

[ninetubes]

what i mean is; reducing rpm is reducing swept volume and hence fuel consumed. eg travelling in 5th at 1200rpm instead of 4th at 2000rpm (not exact numbers, example only).

and the question being: How low can you practically go ?


To put this into context, at easter we did about 900km offroad averaging 50-60km/h & I was very close to the extent of my 115L range (without jerries). So keen to hear what anyone has to say about how i can maximise it SAFELY, as we have longer trips planned soon.

[ninetubes]

Hi ninetubes
I like to keep the 2.2 chattering along at slightly higher revs than that. But it all depends on engine load. More load should be met with more revs, for oil pressure, cooling, natural inertia etc.
Personally, I limit load to something like 50% at 2000rpm for the 2.2 on a sliding scale (roughly speaking). Obviously its not always possible to do this though.
I'd avoid idle revs in anything higher than 3rd low / 1st high, again depending on load.

thanks beery, good point re oil pressure and coolant circulation etc. Don't want to find out i've sacrificed engine wear to save on carrying 1 can of extra fuel

[martnH]

Then bad idea to lug the engine on highway

Get a diagnostic tool and monitor engine load and temperature. (Oil temp I believe in 2.2?) And also egt.

My 2.2 puma really don't like high way driving. Egt will approach 500c if rev is too low

[DiscoMick]

what i mean is; reducing rpm is reducing swept volume and hence fuel consumed. eg travelling in 5th at 1200rpm instead of 4th at 2000rpm (not exact numbers, example only).

and the question being: How low can you practically go ?


To put this into context, at easter we did about 900km offroad averaging 50-60km/h & I was very close to the extent of my 115L range (without jerries). So keen to hear what anyone has to say about how i can maximise it SAFELY, as we have longer trips planned soon.My 2.4 would be very unhappy at 1200 rpm in fifth gear. It seems happiest at 2000-2500 rpms in the higher gears.

[Beery]

My 2.4 would be very unhappy at 1200 rpm in fifth gear. It seems happiest at 2000-2500 rpms in the higher gears.I agree, they (including the 2.2) are definitely designed to do their best work in that rev range.
I tend to be fairly gentle with mine under 2000rpm.

[1nando]

Then bad idea to lug the engine on highway

Get a diagnostic tool and monitor engine load and temperature. (Oil temp I believe in 2.2?) And also egt.

My 2.2 puma really don't like high way driving. Egt will approach 500c if rev is too low500c before or after turbo?

[martnH]

500c before or after turbo?After

[Zeros]

I agree, they (including the 2.2) are definitely designed to do their best work in that rev range.
I tend to be fairly gentle with mine under 2000rpm.

2.2 Puma, 2000-2500 cruising is sweet...economy and all. ...but the real sweet spot is 2,500-3,000rpm. 3,500 if necessary :) It’s no V8 but there is a puma growl under there.

...by the way, in the absence of a redline on the tacho, any thoughts?

[1nando]

After500 post turbo on the high way seems high to me. How are u getting the reading? Actual egt probe and gauge or computer reading through some scaning gauge?

Mine was on 33s, heavy and extremely modified and i never managed more than 620 pre turbo. To get that result i had to floor it up a hill for a prolonged time in 6th gear with the family on board, fully loaded and on a extremely hot day.
500 post turbo would worry me as this could quiet easily be 700+ pre turbo!

[martnH]

500 post turbo on the high way seems high to me. How are u getting the reading? Actual egt probe and gauge or computer reading through some scaning gauge?

Mine was on 33s, heavy and extremely modified and i never managed more than 620 pre turbo. To get that result i had to floor it up a hill for a prolonged time in 6th gear with the family on board, fully loaded and on a extremely hot day.
500 post turbo would worry me as this could quiet easily be 700+ pre turbo!110km/h climbing a hill
6th gear and 2500 rev.....


Does it sound too high? I use an actual egt probe

[1nando]

110km/h climbing a hill
6th gear and 2500 rev.....


Does it sound too high? I use an actual egt probeWhat atmo temp?
Loaded or unloaded?
Foot to the floor or mainting speed?
What coolant temps are you getting at 500 egt?

500 sounds high post turbo to me. I did an egt experiment over the course of a year and found the following with my 2.2:

Now mine had a alive tune and cooler.
Take home notes;
-Stock exhaust is restrictive especially cat and centre muffler
-Better intercooler is great idea
-Remap is a good idea
- air con increases egts
- bigger rubber increases egts as well as fuel consumption
- coolant temp reflects egts under prolonged foot to the floor action. In other words higher engine load causes coolant temp to rise.

Never ever went higher than 620 pre turbo and economy was 12.75 ltrs/100 combined average

[1nando]

Have a read through

Puma 2.2 Egt's (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/243318-puma-2-2-egts.html)

[DiscoMick]

2.2 Puma, 2000-2500 cruising is sweet...economy and all. ...but the real sweet spot is 2,500-3,000rpm. 3,500 if necessary :) It’s no V8 but there is a puma growl under there.

...by the way, in the absence of a redline on the tacho, any thoughts?Yes, for economy it's 2000-2500, but for grunt it's 2500-3500, and there is a growl!
I should say mine has a Steinbauer chip, so it might be slightly better than standard.

[Zeros]

Yes, for economy it's 200-2500 (tel:200-2500), but for grunt it's 2500-3500 (tel:2500-3500), and there is a growl!
I should say mine has a Steinbauer chip, so it might be slightly better than standard.

👍 mine’s standard and growls. At 3000-3500 the rev-jack seems to hold slightly longer too?

...my notional redline is 3500rpm, any thoughts on taking it further? Not that Defenders are built for it...but I’m assuming there’s some kind of rev limiter built in?

[DiscoMick]

Mine doesn't like going over 3500 rpm. Better to use the six gears, I think.

[ninetubes]

...by the way, in the absence of a redline on the tacho, any thoughts?

governed at around 4500 i think, but it has an asthma attack around 3500 when the turbo runs out of huff and just pushes out black smoke

[PAT303]

Just came back from a weekend down south towing our cub camper,11.45ltres per 100. Pat

[ProjectDirector]

Mine has a roof rack and get 11 on open road

[debruiser]

My D90, now has 96000kms on the clock, running a roof bar, and a short roof rack, 285/75r16s, and a 150hp tune from BAS, I get around the 10L/100kms. The tune improved the economy buy around 1 to 2L I think. The down side of the tune is I think I tend to drive a little more spiritedly, so economy around down is a little worse, currently living in Brisbane where it's quite hilly it's been hurting the economy a bit. I don't drive over 3000rpm though, normally change at about 2500.

In saying all that I normally count on 12L/100km for a safety margin. I dont have the OBD2 hooked up so I have no idea about egt etc.

Has anyone noticed (maybe isn't just me and my imagination) when you drive for 700-800kms at highway speeds with few stops (so plenty of heat soak) does the engine power drop off? I've noticed it especially at 110kph. (yes I melted the mudflap) I've noticed it on the standard tune and the 150hp.


As a side note: Worst economy I've experienced was towing a series on a heavy car trailer, series was loaded with parts then loaded on the trailer with some extra put in the 90, and the roof of the series strapped to the roof of the 90. Then towed 350kms from Rocky to Mackay, holding the speed limit - fuel light came on in Sarina and it started spluttering as I got to Mackay. worked out to roughly 18L/100. Did a similar trip where I stuck to 100kph, but had a bit more weight on board and in the trailer and got a more healthy 15L/100km I think.

[Zeros]

I get better fuel economy if I change gears around 3000rpm. Changing at 2500 causes the engine to labour slightly, using more fuel IMO.

[DiscoMick]

Yep, 2-3000 is the range to aim for.

[Witchdoctor]

My 2.2 is getting 11.4Lt per 100 with RTT on top & 1ton trailer with hills, city & hwy.

Dave

[DiscoMick]

My 2.4 gets about 10.5, rising to about 11.5 towing the camper.

[ProjectDirector]

How do you guys get these good consumption?
I have the full length LR expedition roof rack, no towing and can only manage 11 or just under for open road and 12ish city.[emoji30]

[rick130]

How do you guys get these good consumption?
I have the full length LR expedition roof rack, no towing and can only manage 11 or just under for open road and 12ish city.[emoji30]They never exceed 80km/h! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji6]

[ProjectDirector]

They never exceed 80km/h! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji6]

That explains it[emoji6]Ha ha
It gets worse though, I managed 14.5 in low range off road consistently

[DiscoMick]

They never exceed 80km/h! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji6]Mine cruises happily at 100-110 in sixth.

[Zeros]

Yep, 2-3000 is the range to aim for.

At 2000rpm it labour’s unless on the flat at 80 5th or 100 6th.

At 3000rpm the idlejack holds slightly longer, gear shifts are smoother, fuel economy is better IMHO.

[PAT303]

How do you guys get these good consumption?
I have the full length LR expedition roof rack, no towing and can only manage 11 or just under for open road and 12ish city.[emoji30]

Straight through pipe,no Cat,unplugged EGR,down change at 2000rpm,upchange at 2500.I don't drive for economy unless I have to. Pat

[ProjectDirector]

Straight through pipe,no Cat,unplugged EGR,down change at 2000rpm,upchange at 2500.I don't drive for economy unless I have to. Pat

Well, my 110 is stock, no changes.
I used to get 10 before I put the roof rack on.

[Zeros]

Straight through pipe,no Cat,unplugged EGR,down change at 2000rpm,upchange at 2500.I don't drive for economy unless I have to. Pat
...so is driving for economy changing at 1000 or 3000?

[PAT303]

My engine works best between 2000rpm and 2600rpm,so if the rev's drop to 2000 I go down a gear,if they go over 2600,I go up a gear,I drive by rev's not road speed.I have towed with my Tdi and TDCi a lot with some very heavy loads,I've found the Tdi likes to rev,the TDCi not so much. Pat

[Zeros]

My engine works best between 2000rpm and 2600rpm,so if the rev's drop to 2000 I go down a gear,if they go over 2600,I go up a gear,I drive by rev's not road speed.I have towed with my Tdi and TDCi a lot with some very heavy loads,I've found the Tdi likes to rev,the TDCi not so much. Pat

Interesting Pat, is yours the 2.4? My 2.2 definitely prefers an up change around 3000rpm. 2600 and it’s only just beginning to purr. ...down change around 2200rpm

[PAT303]

Interesting Pat, is yours the 2.4? My 2.2 definitely prefers an up change around 3000rpm. 2600 and it’s only just beginning to purr. ...down change around 2200rpm

Mines a 2.4,removing the cat,disabling the EGR and removing the center muffler totally changed it,it's a much happier engine now that doesn't need to have the boot into it to make it go. Pat

[Zeros]

Mines a 2.4,removing the cat,disabling the EGR and removing the center muffler totally changed it,it's a much happier engine now that doesn't need to have the boot into it to make it go. Pat

Interesting. Obviously a remap is best way to disable EGR, have you just unplugged it or remapped it?

[PAT303]

Unplugged it.

[DiscoMick]

Mine is standard except a Steinbauer chip. It's happy 2-3000 rpm.

[CS78]

Did the cape last year fully loaded including full length front runner rack loaded. 255 Toyo’s, BAS 170 remap. Total of 6488 km averaged 13.2 litres per hundred km.

[Witchdoctor]

Over the weekend I had to do a run from the Mt Tamborine to Cooroy on the Sunny Coast.

I ran the truck at the speed limit, most was 110K's, RPM was 2210, temp was around 92deg's most time I looked at the gauge.

We had the RTT on top & truck was full of camping gear.

Average fuel was 11.2L's per 100K.

Cheers
Dave

[ProjectDirector]

Well, am off to Woods Point this morning with already 70km on clock, will report back.

Last week was at Craig's Hut with a mixture of 100/110kmh and locked CDL on track. After refilling I averaged 11.54L/100km.

[Tote]

Did the sums on the standard 2.2 130 for a couple of trips down the coast and back over the last couple of weeks. Filled up in Canberra, drove to Yass, down to the Nelligen area for a little off road work and back to Canberra. 517 KM total with an average of 12.57 lt /100 KM

Regards,
Tote

[ian4002000]

My 130 with a large canopy on the back uses around 12 lt 100 kms at highway speeds. and around 16 lts 100 kms when towing the caravan.
It is much happier and goes up hills better at 104 - 110 k's than it does at 95 kmh.

I am wondering if a slightly smaller tyre would lower the torque range to under 100 kmh ?

Ian
Bittern

[debruiser]

My 130 with a large canopy on the back uses around 12 lt 100 kms at highway speeds. and around 16 lts 100 kms when towing the caravan.
It is much happier and goes up hills better at 104 - 110 k's than it does at 95 kmh.

I am wondering if a slightly smaller tyre would lower the torque range to under 100 kmh ?

Ian
Bittern


My 90 displays similar characteristics when towing. Although I find it's cheaper to just change down out of 6th [biggrin]

Although when saying that I found that the Perentie pulls over hills better at 100 - 105 .....

[filcar]

Just back from an extended trip through the Kimberly, up to Darwin and Kakadu and back to Vic through outback QLD and NSW (a touch under 20K kilometres). Towed the Aussie Swag camper (1.6 to 1.8T) and the average over the trip was 13.59lt/100km. I was happy with that. 2.2 with 170 BAS tune and Allisport intercooler.

[DiscoMick]

Thanks for that. Very useful real world information.

[noyakfat]

Hi folks,

I am about to embark on a road trip from Canberra to Esperance (WA) then across to Albany, up to Perth and back to Canberra, in my 2014 110 wagon.

When I get home, I will share my fuel consumption details.

Cheers,
Nige