New 90 leaves home on a tow truck?

[Defender Mike]

Just got a call from the missus she felt the 90 losing power on the way home . Pulled up in the drive and found water running out from under the motor then checked the guage it was on hot. Called Landrover Dealer its leaving on a towtruck just crossed 8000ks . I hope i dont end up with a lemon now because its been cooked. What would cause a brand new motor to overheat ? there is no water left in at all .:(

Mike

[frantic]

Hole in radiator or hose or a hose that was not done up correct coming loose partially or leaking when hot.
Good luck let us know what they do to rectify problem. Hopefully just new hoses and fluid but might be worthwhile to get an independent specialist to check the engine for heat damage.

[BigBlueOne]

A friend of mine bought a new Holden Commodore SS and drove it to work and noticed a bit of fluid coming out from under the engine bay, then a minute later the puddle was huge. The radiator hose had come off and all the fluid had gone. His engine gauge was also on hot. He got it towed back to Holden and they tightened the hose back up, re filled the missing fluid and gave it back to him. Luckily for him no damage has happened. It's not just another LR thing...

[redrovertdi]

thats a good excuse to fit a water level alarm

[Defender Mike]

thats a good excuse to fit a water level alarm
It was on the list of things but its so new i only just fitted the bullbar afew weeks back and the roof top tent went on last weekend.:(

[MR LR]

You might get a new motor if you ask nicely ;)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

You might get a new motor if you ask nicely ;)Would they put in a real motor at the same time? LR spec 4BD1-T would be good! :o

[MIDDO]

It may be the same issue as i recently had, 3 weeks ago, another hose clamp rubbed through a radiator hose that feeds the water pump, Mine also lost power, lucky you were not far from home, I was 1600km away, lol. Mine is a 2012 130HCPU with 20,000km, Middo

[Defender Mike]

It may be the same issue as i recently had, 3 weeks ago, another hose clamp rubbed through a radiator hose that feeds the water pump, Mine also lost power, lucky you were not far from home, I was 1600km away, lol. Mine is a 2012 130HCPU with 20,000km, Middo

Exactly the same problem acording to the dealer 1 hose clamp rubbed through another hose. I asked them at the seat belt fix " are there any other problems you need to check like the turbo hose clamps " no I was told and you wont need a service untill 10,000ks. Now I dont trust this engine it has been cooked who knows how much damage was done internal and to think i got rid of my Td5 disco beacuse I thought it might be getting on bit. I must say they looked after the wife and gave her a loan car and they will test everything and cover any future problems we pick it up Monday. I will be getting the oils tested by the lab to see if there is any metal floating around.:(

Mike

[JayBoRover]

Aaaarrrggghhh!!! What a blow Mike! I hope LRA look after you well, and I'll be having a good look under the bonnet of mine on Saturday before driving anywhere in it.

A compression test and full set of leakage tests should give you a fairly good idea of whether valve and rings have suffered from overheating. This might also check for warped head, but I suspect a few thousand kms will be the real test for that.

I just can't believe the news Mike. Keep us informed of what happens.
Ciao

[MIDDO]

Mine lost power, but I was doing 120km/hr overtaking a triple, dropped to about
60km/hr, pulled over and found the issue, I still had some coolant left in tank.

[lewy]

why do they "lose power"when they dump the water out,do they have a limp mode.If they dont is it possible that it has been damaged as the engine tightened up from over heating.

[JayBoRover]

Well, I grabbed a torch and went for a quick look under little Landy's bonnet. I found a hose clamp with what looked like "fur" on the end of the "tab" end. It's in a ***** of a place to get to (isn't everything under the bonnet of the Puma's a PITA to get to??) but I managed to get a finger to it and the "fluff" is soft and rubbery. I couldn't feel anything on the other hose but it would be touching it underneath so I'll need a mirror to confirm if there's damage to the other hose. One thing is for sure, I will be rotating the clamp so the extended tab doesn't point directly at the other hose before driving anywhere in my D90!

I'll get some photo's of it when I have a good look on Saturday afternoon and post them up. I'll use the old 1970 S2a for the stuff I have to do on Saturday morning I guess!:cool:

I can't believe that Land Rover don't do something about this if it's a known problem:mad:. A simple advice to owners to rotate the clamp would go a long way. Rotating it while the car's are in the shop for the seat bolt fix or for service would also make sense. It really looks like simply rotating it would take it out of harms way.

Catch ya.

[newhue]

Mike, I know it's a blow and quite frustrating but have faith in LR. If the motor is buggered they will put a new one in. Find reassurance you have 3 years and 100 000K up your sleeve in warranty. If the car has continuous problems they will sort it.
Mine had some hard to sort issues initially and LR went to great lengths I believe to rectify it. However the relationship between you and your service manager is critical. Try not to get too blinded by emotions or angry as it works against you and makes it harder for LR to get it done. Trouble is we all love these trucks to much so it's hard not to. For them it's just another car that wasn't put together properly, and to their frustration.

[Defender Mike]

Im hoping that there is no series damage. The fact that there was water still running out when she got home gives me some hope. I want to get everything tested and as John B has said a couple of thousand miles will tell. I intend to take this vehicle to some very remote parts of Australia and possibly elswhere so reliabilty and confidence is a big factor. I recently had to get a chopper out of Bachsten Camp up Gibb River road MT Elizabeth Station when my KTM 640 died on me. Its not nice being let down in the middle of nowhere. Landrover gave us a almost new Freelander as a loaner and were very nice to the wife . After hearing on this forum i am the 2nd to have this problem and with others checking and finding the same thing perhaps a recall is in order.

Mike

[101RRS]

It was on the list of things

Train wife so that she knows what 'Hot' means.

Time and time again we read on here where the wife or girl friend really does not understand what the instruments on the dash are telling the driver.

Garry

[Defender Mike]

Train wife so that she knows what 'Hot' means.

Time and time again we read on here where the wife or girl friend really does not understand what the instruments on the dash are telling the driver.

Garry.,

When I met this girl 35 years ago she could change a clutch in her Ford Anglia herself.These days she pretends to not know where to check the oil.Aparently it dropped all its water so quick the first thing she new was loss of power . I am hoping they have a limp mode when low water level or temp gets to a certain level.
Mike:)

[uninformed]

If an engine drops its coolant quickly, ie BIG leak, then by the time the temp gauge shows hot it is to late.....how efficient will the sender unit be if it only has hot air flowing over it rather than hot fluid. ;)

[101RRS]

.,

When I met this girl 35 years ago she could change a clutch in her Ford Anglia herself.These days she pretends to not know where to check the oil.Aparently it dropped all its water so quick the first thing she new was loss of power . I am hoping they have a limp mode when low water level or temp gets to a certain level.
Mike:)

Ok she is off the hook - not much you can do in that case. I have a TM2 combo on my 101 and am thinking on something similar for the RRS.

I hope it all works out OK.

Cheers

Garry

[Defender Mike]

Been driving it around today seems the same as before. I thought it was blowing a bit of smoke last night in rear view mirror but I was giving it a bit of stick at the time. There is quite a big coolant stain on the driveway and the dealer reckons the radiator was still half full so its not as bad as I thought . Time will tell I suppose . I would dearly like to find out if the temp sender is connected to the computer and put it into a reduced power (limp) mode or was it starting to nip up.
Memo to all wives and girlfriends when in doubt Stop. :)

Mike

[Graeme]

...I would dearly like to find out if the temp sender is connected to the computer and put it into a reduced power (limp) mode or was it starting to nip up.
If the gauge doesn't fluctuate as you drive up hills then it will be connected to the ecm, but could still be even if the gauge fluctuates.

I suspect that if a modern engine suddenly looses power due to overheating but doesn't sieze within a few seconds then its in limp-home mode. If its on the point of siezing its also likely to not idle, stalling between gear changes.

[Defender Mike]

If the gauge doesn't fluctuate as you drive up hills then it will be connected to the ecm, but could still be even if the gauge fluctuates.

I suspect that if a modern engine suddenly looses power due to overheating but doesn't sieze within a few seconds then its in limp-home mode. If its on the point of siezing its also likely to not idle, stalling between gear changes.

She tells me it was idling ok ,no steam or hot smell. I am dropping in on the dealer on Monday morning and see if they know. I see they have fitted a foam spreader to keep the hoses apart but it must have been an afterthought as they have cut it and slipped it over rather than take the clamp off and slide it along the hose.It wont stay there long like that so will get it done properly at the service.Mike

[Drover Dave]

Thanks to JayBoRover for the prompt to check the hose clamps. This morning, on the 110, I found the same 'fur' on the hose clamp on the oil cooler hose. This had chaffed up on the underside of the top water pump hose and left two small cuts which hadn't, as yet, penetrated the internal hose braid. I tried to reposition the clamp, but unfortunately don't have the right tool for the job....made a note for a Fathers Day gift ;) I've temporarily insulated the hose and clamp with high density foam and secured in place using zip tie technology :) Off to the dealers on Monday to have the damaged hose replaced and the hose clamp correctly fitted. I'd thoroughly recommend that others check as well. Good to hear that Defender Mike has the 90 up and running again and wish him many happy Landrover miles ahead.

Cheers, DD.

[JayBoRover]

No worries DD. Glad you found it in time.

I didn't realise I'd posted my follow-up in another thread. Anyway, copied here:
I just rotated my hose clamp as it had evidence of rubbing on the other hose (looked like black fluff on the end of the clamp). Inspected the "other" hose using a telescopic mirror tool and found a nice little indentation where the hose has been rubbed by the clamp. I'll ring nice Mr Land Rover on Monday and see if they can replace it. Surely they'll be happy to fix one without all the drama of rescuing it roadside first and risking the engine.

[jools]

Thanks guys,
Just checked hoses on my 2012 Shorty 90...same rubbing and indentations on two hoses caused by malaligned hose clamps. Just coming up to 3000km service so thanks for saving me dramas out bush.
Cheers
Mike in Townsville

[Defender Mike]

Just drove 6000ks in 4 days towing a trailer with a series 1 on the back for half of it without and dramas., In fact i am so impressed with the power of the 90 on hills its amazing. We passed road trans uphill towing the combination. It seemed like the computer just adjusted to the extra load and compensated. We were getting around 17 litres to 100 ks with the load and into a 30 knot headwind it dropped to around 20. We could keep up with traffic in Adelaide and Perth without a problem. So there appears to be no damage from the hose incident and no diff problems or anything else. IT has ben severly tested and come through 100.

Mike:)

[clubagreenie]

I'd be recording all the details relating to the issue, sending a copy to LRAu for their records (both reg post and email) after having an independent check the basics like compression, maybe an oil/water test for Water in Oil, Oil/Gases in Water. So IF it goes belly up you've done all you could to keep a chain off evidence and also advised them of it's status, having registered mail/email receipts of communication avoids their usual month long first step denial of knowledge.

Then give it a couple of months, check again with same testes. Resend. It's a bit of cost but cheap insurance. I have a friend that has a workshop in a remote non dealer area and this is his method of recording data for this sort of incident for claiming back on the dealers for engines/g'boxs/diffs where they try to blame servicing/end user and he's never had a denial of claim.