New Ford Ranger - 800mm Wading Depth!

[GlennWA]

I was watching the box last night and noticed a commercial for the new ford ranger and it specified an 800mm wading depth and I don't recall seeing a snorkel (or RAI). The Defender is 500mm:o The land cruiser with snorkel is 700mm.

Apparently they put some extended axle breather etc and relocated some engine accessories and changed engine intake to get 800mm.

Which got me thinking as there was some fine print about moving under 7 km/hr or something similar.

So is it a true 800mm wading i.e. if you stop or bog at 800mm are you then stuffed as I am sure there is a lot of car under the water at 800mm that may not take too kindly to being immersed.:(

I have a feeling this is a marketing ploy. Yes it can wade 800mm whilst moving but if you stop and flood the interior then no warranty claim as you didn't maintain movement under 7 km/h as required.

Am I over thinking this or does the new Ranger truly outperform everything else from the factory when it comes to wading depths (wading depths as I understand them anyway;) )

Cheers

Glenn

[d3syd]

The new L405 RRV is supposed to have a 1 metre wading depth :eek:

New Range Rover revealed | Auto Express (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/range-rover/59726/new-range-rover-revealed)

See 2nd last paragraph.

[goingbush]

The reason the Defender has a 500mm wading depth is nothing to do with a snorkel or lack of, its because Landrover put the ECU under the drivers seat,

What were they thinking ???

[101RRS]

The reason the Defender has a 500mm wading depth is nothing to do with a snorkel or lack of, its because Landrover put the ECU under the drivers seat,

What were they thinking ???

No issue if they made it waterproof - but they didn't so what were they thinking.

[DeanoH]

The reason the Defender has a 500mm wading depth is nothing to do with a snorkel or lack of, its because Landrover put the ECU under the drivers seat,

What were they thinking ???

My 300 Tdi has a factory specified wading depth of 500 mm and has no ECU.

Deano :)

[Judo]

My 300 Tdi has a factory specified wading depth of 500 mm and has no ECU.

Deano :)

x2 :)

My biggest concern with water over 500mm is my door seals. ;)

[Drover]

The reason the Defender has a 500mm wading depth is nothing to do with a snorkel or lack of, its because Landrover put the ECU under the drivers seat,

What were they thinking ???

The ECU is actually in the engine bay, high on the fire wall, directly behind the engine.

There are various relays, ABS unit, fuses etc, under the drivers seat. That was until Mulgo started selling the Xbox:D

[GlennWA]

I still don't get it.:(

The defender seems to have everything the Ranger has regarding breathers and raised components and I would be willing to bet that the Defender would have most components and electronics higher by very nature of its design being higher. I think that the two manufacturers are referring to two different definition by way of wading: The first being drive around, change gears, stop etc; and the second being if you maintain momentum and are not in the drink for too long you should be right.

This post (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/142467-wading-too-deep-post1609751.html#post1609751) is interesting in that at at 600mm in a Defender you have water on the floor and the air intake is at 900mm yet by this time your electronics are under but disregarding this at 600mm you may begin to float anyway.

Surely the Ranger is floating at 800mm making the object of continuing momentum more difficult as traction is subsequently reduced.

[Scouse]

I don't know about the wading depth but, after a recent trip up to Newnes, I do know they don't have much of a roll over angle.

At least they had the foresight to put some nice recovery points on the underside of the vehicle.

[goingbush]

The ECU is actually in the engine bay, high on the fire wall, directly behind the engine.

There are various relays, ABS unit, fuses etc, under the drivers seat. That was until Mulgo started selling the Xbox:D

Whats this thing then, with the red & black plug that used to be under my seat
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/269.jpg



I still don't get it.:(

...... at 600mm in a Defender you have water on the floor and the air intake is at 900mm yet by this time your electronics are under but disregarding this at 600mm you may begin to float anyway.

Defenders dont float, they leak . If you are fording 600mm the bow wave will probably be high enough to go in your intake at 900mm, which is also IMO in a silly place .

[Davo]

As someone pointed out in another thread a while ago when I asked for an example of the rescues they'd been involved with, a big problem is when cars just start floating away. So fording depth may well turn out to be an old-fashioned concept. Maybe these days it should be a "pre-floating" depth!

[goingbush]

Defenders Dont float, they leak

Landrover Defender 110 - YouTube




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[Scouse]

Defenders Dont float, they leak

Yep, you'll never have this problem in a Defender:
carrigans crossing original cut - YouTube

Excuse the couple of French words......

[scarry]

The reason the Defender has a 500mm wading depth is nothing to do with a snorkel or lack of, its because Landrover put the ECU under the drivers seat,

What were they thinking ???


Exactly,and they also put the auto ECU in the D2 under the passengers seat.
Could they have found a lower place inside the vehicle to mount it?:(

[Drover]

Whats this thing then, with the red & black plug that used to be under my seat
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/269.jpg




Defenders dont float, they leak . If you are fording 600mm the bow wave will probably be high enough to go in your intake at 900mm, which is also IMO in a silly place .

Soz, thought you had a PUMA:angel:

[DefenderJim]

Havent had a look but how high is the ECU in the MY12 110's? Any ihints what depth should i be thinking is too deep, given i have a snorkel and the fuses/relays etc relocated into the ExBox?

[copba]

I reckon its just marketing ****. Just like Holdens new Rodeo with 3.5 Tonne towing. Which would you rather tow 3.5 tonne with, a heavy weight 4WD Landcruiser, or Disco 3/4? or a light duty part time 4WD with drum brakes at the back?

We've all seen how the chassis's of Mitsi Tritoos, and Datsun D40 Navara's crack, they're trying to market these utes as the 'Ultimate everything' vehicle. But they're not. :wasntme:

Lets be honest 90% of them will never see anything worse than a well maintained gravel road, or tow anything heavier than a camper trailer. So the manufacturers are pretty safe to continue their 'Mine's bigger than yours' advertising.

I'll stick to my Defender thanks, despite it's alleged water fording shortcomings :)

[muddymech]

thought it was due to the potentiometer on the throttle that limited the defender wadeing depth

[Drover]

Havent had a look but how high is the ECU in the MY12 110's? Any ihints what depth should i be thinking is too deep, given i have a snorkel and the fuses/relays etc relocated into the ExBox?

One of the biggest issue with PUMA's is the ducting between the snorkel and the air box and of course the air box lid.

I have replaced the ducting with reinforce rubber tube, done away with the trying to make the snorkel seal against the guard by making a fitting to attach the tube directly to the snorkel.....but still the issue of the air box lid remains....

Oh and there is that throttle position sensor.

After Nolan's brook a couple of weeks ago, water was over a meter deep. I had at least 50mm of water on the front and rear floors. Didn't cause any prob's drove straight through and continued on down the track.

[goingbush]

Whatever the Case, When fording its asking for trouble if you don't tarp up.
IE String a tarp across the front of your car.

This stops the fan turning into a boat propellor , the blades can bend forward & cut into your radiator, (at least you should loosen your fanbelt - but not so easy with serpentine belts).

It also leaves a volume of air under the bonnet for the engine to stay mostly dry so long as you maintain momentum, especially 80 series cruisers ect with the air inlet up front near the radiator

Rare to see it done on Hero river crossings on youtube.

Other thing its prudent to camp on the other side of the river, or at least 4 - 6 hours then crack ALL your oil drain plugs, any water will settle in the bottom of diffs / g'boxes . engine & come out the drain plug as you loosen it.

(we all know oil floats on water -right)
If you keep driving the oil will emulsify & that is not good.

People seem reluctant to do either when in convoy.

[Drover]

This stops the fan turning into a boat propellor , the blades can bend forward & cut into your radiator, (at least you should loosen your fanbelt - but not so easy with serpentine belts).

Not much chance of this with a PUMA as the radiator is at least 500mm in front of the fan.

In any case I still use a water blind.

Good tip with draining a little oil from diff's after a deep crossing.

Cheers

[Blknight.aus]

The ECU is actually in the engine bay, high on the fire wall, directly behind the engine.


you have a ford not a defender.



Whats this thing then, with the red & black plug that used to be under my seat
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/269.jpg


thats where landrover put them moving them into the cubby spot is a smart idea but the following is based on its original location for both flavors of 110

The ECU is at about 750mm when in the native Defender position and its in a semi sealed box, even in the event of an unexpected rapid submersion youd still have up to about 30 seconds before the ECU got wet as opposed to the puma location which is in an area that fills with water as fast as you sink the nose into a hole. IF the factory fit ECU was going to kill the engine via shorting my monies on it happening to the ford donk first. Typically though its water ingress into a sensor, the engine trying to breathe water or a subsidurary system (security module) going haywire that shuts you down and then the ecu gets to sit in water and then draw water in.

Im not saying its always going to happen this way but I've been involved in dewatering a D2 TD5 that had died on a water crossing with the water just shy of the bonnet level an the owner swearing blind that the ECU must have gotten wet. After the recovery and the strip down the ecu plug + case was wet but there was no moisture in the block itself stripping the ECU out of the casing it was bone dry inside but the engine still refused to fire up. leaving the thing to sit for 8 hours in the sun with the hood up untill someone showed up with a diagnostics unit left us with a crank angle sensor error. replaced that with one from another vehicle and the failure to start followed the crank sensor.

for poops and giggles

The following, from memory, is a list of things I've been told set the limit of e fording depth with various reasons. (various versions) in theory they would apply as a limit for any four wheel drive. Heres the list, see if you can come up with logical reason why it might be the limiting factor

door seals
ECU
diff breather
top of the steering ball seal
bottom of the tcase
sump gasket
lowest fording plug
bottom of the fly wheel
bottom of the clutch
bottom of the crank pully
height at the bottom of the chassis
height of the lowest part of the timing belt
height of the floor
bottom of the fuel tank
clearance to the hand brake drum
half the wheel height
height to the bottom of the fan
height of the lowest sensor
height of the exhaust opening
height of the ducks bum.
lowest point of the body work.
clearance to the diff seal

[PAT303]

Buy a boat. Pat

[Blknight.aus]

well theres been more than one amphib kit for a landy.....

from what I remember none of them let water get up as high as the seatbase.

[inside]

well theres been more than one amphib kit for a landy.....

from what I remember none of them let water get up as high as the seatbase.

This was built by Land Rover
royal marines land rover Picture 114 - YouTube

royal marines land roverPicture 113 - YouTube

Shore to Ship and Back again - by Land Rover! - YouTube

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/08/259.jpg

[GlennWA]

I reckon its just marketing ****. Just like Holdens new Rodeo with 3.5 Tonne towing. Which would you rather tow 3.5 tonne with, a heavy weight 4WD Landcruiser, or Disco 3/4? or a light duty part time 4WD with drum brakes at the back?

We've all seen how the chassis's of Mitsi Tritoos, and Datsun D40 Navara's crack, they're trying to market these utes as the 'Ultimate everything' vehicle. But they're not. :wasntme:

Lets be honest 90% of them will never see anything worse than a well maintained gravel road, or tow anything heavier than a camper trailer. So the manufacturers are pretty safe to continue their 'Mine's bigger than yours' advertising.

I'll stick to my Defender thanks, despite it's alleged water fording shortcomings :)

I think the concern is the 10% that attempt to do what the commercials do and find themselves in trouble in Cape York or similar with the family and kids on board. :o

Many a vehicle is designed for light duty work, yet advertised as an off-road king and if anyone did what was on the commercial their warranty would be void for driver abuse.

[goingbush]

And then there is this

Range Rovers Float , oops spoke too soon, they leak too

Range Rover Submarine Mode - YouTube

[goingbush]

And back to the original post,

Ford - All-New Ranger - Water Wading Capability Test - YouTube

Must rush out and buy one !!

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[Naks]

The reason the Defender has a 500mm wading depth is nothing to do with a snorkel or lack of, its because Landrover put the ECU under the drivers seat, What were they thinking ???


Yes, but in the Puma the ECU is behind the engine on the firewall, just below the windscreen, yet the wading depth is the same?

[Redback]

D3/4 is 700mm

[LandyAndy]

And back to the original post,

Ford - All-New Ranger - Water Wading Capability Test - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9safLM6exQ)

Must rush out and buy one !!

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There are limited stocks available.Was talking to the local dealer yesterday,Ford told the factory they wanted so many per year and they are selling them at double the rate.The wait for a custom order XLT may be out to feb or mar next year.They have an electric locker diff as standard,they have no diffs left I was told.Around $60000 drive away for the XLT auto with a few extras:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
The drive really well,HEAPS of grunt from that 3.2 5CY TCDI mojo.
Andrew

[tailslide]

There are limited stocks available.Was talking to the local dealer yesterday,Ford told the factory they wanted so many per year and they are selling them at double the rate.The wait for a custom order XLT may be out to feb or mar next year.They have an electric locker diff as standard,they have no diffs left I was told.Around $60000 drive away for the XLT auto with a few extras:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
The drive really well,HEAPS of grunt from that 3.2 5CY TCDI mojo.
Andrew

So I take it that your going for the "Wildtrak" then.:eek::eek::eek::eek: :D