Dead chickens what rights do I have?

[460cixy]

Knowing there's some pretty smart cookies on here I thought I would ask the question.

So yesterday some time the neighbors dogs came and killed one chook and injured another. It seems the dogs got throu the fence that they won't come to the party in replacing. It's falling down. And we have tryed a number of times to go halves in its replacement with no joy. And what about the dogs I know what I would do if I had my way but what can be done to get rid of them haveing had dogs on the farm do this I know once they kill they will do it again and again and I wonder what if it had been a small child in the back yard instead of a chook?

[Basil135]

Your best bet, if they dog owners are not willing to talk, is to speak to the local council.

The neighbors have the responsibility to keep their dogs on thier property, and if the fencing is not up to scratch, then they need to find another way to keep the dogs home.

Document everything with notes & photos, and remain calm in all of your dealings. Most councils get a bad rap, but with things like this, they should help. You may not get the chicken replaced, but you may at least be able to stop further occurrences.

And, I hear what you are saying about a small child instead of a chicken. I was bitten by a neighbors dog last year. Spoke to the council, and they were really good about it. After having their letters ignored, they issued a formal notice to the dog owner, advising that if the dog was found "at large" again, it would be seized & they would be fined. The inspector told us that they had previous reports about the same dog getting out, but had never been able to catch it.

[BigJon]

I would suggest that without proof (ironclad) there might not be a great deal you can do while staying legal.

[Homestar]

I have had this same problem many years ago. Next doors dog would get free from a poorly fenced property and get into our yard and help himself to our chooks. The difference though, was that our neighbours were very good, and really tried to stop this happening - they were renting, and the owner of the property wouldn't do anything about the fences. In the end they put another fence up inside the boundary fence to stop this happening.

As for your situation, I would start with the council - your neighbours have a legal responsibility to secure there animals. If you have no luck there, next time th dogs get in, I would report to the council that they bit you and you'll make it a legal matter if they don't act.

[lewy]

one of these.on your side of the fence for temporary relief,whilst you sort out the fence.keep the grass along the wire nice and wet so they get a good taste.after they get a hit a couple of times they wont go near it.neither will the kids for that matter:D
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[harlie]

In Brisbane the charge is “Failure to Provide Adequate Fencing”. The fines are quite high.

If you have photos or other neighbours to back you up it’s an easy win, even if you don’t (here in BNE) the dog owner is (unofficially of course) guilty and has to prove other wise.

Once again in BNE the Animal control officer will come around and have a look at the fence and can make a decision based on his assessment of what is there now once a complaint is made. A Letter is issued with x number of day to rectify it, and usually specifies exactly what is to be done. I was advised (and latter did this) that if the dog or cat is on your property you are entitled to detain it and hand it over to the council – they came and picked it up. You are not allow to hurt the animal in any way, but you can tie it up with shelter and water until the council officer arrives, this however may start a war but it sure works. Councils treat dog issues seriously.

Lately I’ve had an issue with a neighbour that walks his dog off lead; the dog ran down our drive (on to our property) and quite aggressively bailed up our 2yr old child (in this instance you are entitled to take “any means necessary to ensure safety of the child” and that included having a size 11 shoe firmly pressing the dog's throat into the concrete until the owner had hold of its collar - he didn't say a word). About 10 min after the incident I went to his house and politely explained that what had happened will not happen again and if he walks past my house again with the dog off lead he will be photographed and reported (automatic fine with photos). He now always has the dog on a lead and politely says hello when he goes past – some people are easy to get along with…

And for the record, I’m not anti dog – we have G’Sheppard.

[olbod]

Soak some meat in engine coolant and leave it laying around on your side the fence line.

Robert.

[richard4u2]

i would be inclined just to get some wire netting and repair the fence on your side if that is possable

[bussy1963]

As much as I love dogs. I would shoot it. The dog killed a chicken today sadly it may attack a child in the future.

Do the community a favor

[ScottW]

Back when 20 years ago, we had the same issue with people down the street letting their dogs roam free. My father asked the police about it, they responded "Do you have a gun? Then you can shoot the dogs if they come onto your property and attack your chooks." Problem solved. These days, not so easy.

[460cixy]

I have photos of every thing the fence is an on going issue for some years now and it's finally come to a head I guess I keep patching it up to find it busted some where else a day later. At least they took the chook to the vet after as we were not home I'm calling domestic animal services today to see what the go is. I'm so bloody cranky it's not funny but I have to try and stay cool

[bussy1963]

Another way to stop the dog from coming in is call it to you then dip its bum into petrol. Watch it run down the road dragging its backside. Will never go into ur yard again

[olbod]

Another way to stop the dog from coming in is call it to you then dip its bum into petrol. Watch it run down the road dragging its backside. Will never go into ur yard again


Heh, Heh.
I like that, I must remember it. He would get a shock wouldn't he, after coming forward for a pat.
I reckon it would be as much fun as skinning his ass with a stock whip.

Robert.

[isuzurover]

I have photos of every thing the fence is an on going issue for some years now and it's finally come to a head I guess I keep patching it up to find it busted some where else a day later. At least they took the chook to the vet after as we were not home I'm calling domestic animal services today to see what the go is. I'm so bloody cranky it's not funny but I have to try and stay cool

Let us know how you get on.



Animal Nuisance

The Domestic Animals Act 2000 states that an animal nuisance exists if the keeping or behaviour of an animal causes a condition, state or activity that constitutes:

damage to property owned by a person other than the keeper;
excessive disturbance to a person other than the keeper because of noise; or
danger to the health of an animal or a person other than the keeper.

Generally nuisance behaviour relates to excessive noise caused by a dog barking.

It should be noted that all dogs bark to some degree and only some barking behaviour meets the criteria for “nuisance” as described above. For more information, see the Nuisance Dog Barking Factsheet PDF (PDF 445KB).

Please note it is recommended that prior to lodging a complaint with us, you speak to your neighbours about the problem that you are having. Some people are unaware that their animals are causing a problem and sometimes this direct approach will rectify the problem quickly.
What do I need to do to lodge an animal nuisance complaint?

In lodging an animal nuisance complaint you must demonstrate that the nuisance exists and has been ongoing for an extended period of time in excess of three weeks and how the nuisance behaviour is impacting upon you. To demonstrate the frequency and regularity of the nuisance we ask that you complete a bark diary for a period of 14 days. This information is essential when Domestic Animal Services is holding discussions with the dog owner to demonstrate the nature of nuisance behaviour and when it is occurring so that they can take steps to address the issue.

If you consider that you may be experiencing an animal nuisance problem in your neighbourhood please complete the form 'How to lodge an animal nuisance complaint' and send it along with the bark diary to Domestic Animal Services at GPO Box 158, Canberra City 2601. The Domestic Animals Act 2000 states that the Registrar must investigate any written animal nuisance complaint unless satisfied that the complaint is frivolous or vexatious.

You may also contact the Conflict Resolution Service to discuss the matter and receive some free dispute coaching, or enquire about mediation.
Contact Details

Organisation
Domestic Animal Services

Address
Mugga Lane
Symonston ACT 2609

Postal Address
GPO Box 158
Canberra City 2601

Contact Number
(02) 13 22 81

Facsimile
(02) 6207 2252

Email
dog.control@act.gov.au


At minimum they should pay all vet bills etc and pay for replacement of the chooks, and any repairs needed to the coop.

The fence is a separate issue. AFAIK the rule is they need to pay half of whatever the "minimum" fence is in your area.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Soak some meat in engine coolant and leave it laying around on your side the fence line.
Robert.
Another way to stop the dog from coming in is call it to you then dip its bum into petrol. Watch it run down the road dragging its backside. Will never go into ur yard again
Heh, Heh.
I like that, I must remember it. He would get a shock wouldn't he, after coming forward for a pat.
I reckon it would be as much fun as skinning his ass with a stock whip.
Robert.If you two were to do any of those things to any dogs I know. I'd be reporting both of you to the RSPCA.

While the dogs in this situation may have killed the chickens or bailed up the child, it is the animal and property owners at fault and not the animals for doing what's instinctual.

[Beckford]

Under The Dividing Fences Act they have to pay for have the fence. The act describes the notices you have to send them, the timeframes, and then how the money is recovered from them.

If you go down this path either get the assistance of your community legal centre, or a lawyer if you have the money. They only have to pay for half a standard fence. E.g. Where I live, a standard fence is wire and star pickets. Not deluxe timber post and rail.

The non-legal suggestion, is to buy a roll of heavy grade fencing netting and install it on the inside of the existing fence.

[1976_michelle]

agreed, not the dogs fault the owners are wa.. umm.. ah crap better not get done for avoiding the filter again lol!

You have a right to defend your stock and your property. But I find a hose with a good trigger nozzle is quite useful as a deterrant. The water doesnt hurt but its a shock and accompanied by the wielder screaming like a banshee can instil a suitable level of respect. However once they've had the taste, that really is it, training isn't going to fix it, need proper physical barriers (they MUSt come to the party on the fencing) and I'd be complaining to the council (latest catch cry is lets kill all dodgy dogs even before they've offended,they'd have to take note)

[clubagreenie]

As above, They (the property owner) must pay for half on what is deemed to be a minimum replacement fence that fits in with the balance of the property. So if you have timber on two sides or one side and the replacement is adjacent to it then timber it is. Colorbond and timber then it come to what it's adjacent to. Side timber back cbond then other side replace with colorbond, but, if the side is cbond and back timber then other side it depends on their back fence as well. And it depends on who instigates it as to the preferences.

Went through it all with the rear neighbour. She wouldn't front for colorbond, even though we have timber both sides it was way cheaper to put cbond up. So I went to council, they just said put it up, send us the invoice for half and we'll add her half to her rates. Never heard about it again, fencer got paid.

[4range]

Another way to stop the dog from coming in is call it to you then dip its bum into petrol. Watch it run down the road dragging its backside. Will never go into ur yard again

Probably find it hard to get back once it had run out of petrol!

sorry! just had to add that

[olbod]

If you two were to do any of those things to any dogs I know. I'd be reporting both of you to the RSPCA.

While the dogs in this situation may have killed the chickens or bailed up the child, it is the animal and property owners at fault and not the animals for doing what's instinctual.


Fair enough Mate and I agree in principle but you cant reason with dickheads. He would have to be a dickhead or he would have ett the chook, eh.
So I suggest a better alternative would be to run a truck over the owners legs.

Cheers.

Robert.:p

PS : Once a dog gets a taste of blood, its then useless and needs to be put down or taught a very forceful lessen in behavior.

[olbod]

PS to the above PS :
So what is the consensus, would we rather have a dead doggy or one with a very sore bum for awhile that might think twice before it acts ?

I remember when I was a kid, if I made a big mistake I got me tail wolloped.
Didn't stop me making mistakes but never the same one twice !!!

Robert.

PS : But these days things have changed and we must all wimperly conform and remain politically correct and rely on courts and litergation and stuff and nonsense.

[isuzurover]

...

PS : Once a dog gets a taste of blood, its then useless and needs to be put down or taught a very forceful lessen in behavior.

What a load of rot. As with most "rules of thumb" or generalisations it is wrong at least 50% of the time.

Our dog stridently protects our ducks and geese (who roam freely around our property with the dog unsupervised during the day), yet hunts, kills and eats rodents and feral pigeons.

As mentioned, it is the owners who are at fault, and should be made to pay for their inaction.

[Treads]

If you are on a farm in a 'rural' zoned area and the dog is harassing livestock whilst on your property then you are allowed to shoot it.



Problem solved...

[460cixy]

Looks to be a long winded process and of course there needs to be a witness the only witness is the dog owner so no joy there we were not home. There needs to be a written statement from us. Times dates color/ bred of dog ect ect bloke I spoke too said its up to them to secure the dogs in there yard and will be at least going to have a chat to them and get the low down on the fence. So might finally get a new fence at the cost of the cooks pet sadly. the other chook has no feathers but is fine other wise In the end it's the owners that need a kick up the Arse just as much as the dogs

[isuzurover]

Looks to be a long winded process and of course there needs to be a witness the only witness is the dog owner so no joy there we were not home. There needs to be a written statement from us. Times dates color/ bred of dog ect ect bloke I spoke too said its up to them to secure the dogs in there yard and will be at least going to have a chat to them and get the low down on the fence. So might finally get a new fence at the cost of the cooks pet sadly. the other chook has no feathers but is fine other wise In the end it's the owners that need a kick up the Arse just as much as the dogs

If they took the chook to the vet then surely that can be seen as an admission of guilt on their part, and counts as sufficient evidence.

I would send them a Letter of Demand for replacement of the chooks [and coop repairs]. Plenty of example letters if you google.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Fair enough Mate and I agree in principle but you cant reason with dickheads. ...That's exactly the problem, the very people who want these hunting breeds of dog but who then don't train and control the animals. The whole community suffers, but most of all the animal who gets euthanised is the one who suffers most.

The regulations and fines for these people is pathetic, we currently have tennants in the property next to our farm. Neither of the people there can look after themselves, have both lost their licences for driving offences any yet they have a managery of animals. The goats can't be kept behind their fences and have eaten out all our gardens, The dogs have been in cages all their lives and the rate the other animals die is beyond belief. Yet they can't be banned from owning animals, because they seem to be protected species themselves.

[460cixy]

If they took the chook to the vet then surely that can be seen as an admission of guilt on their part, and counts as sufficient evidence.

I would send them a Letter of Demand for replacement of the chooks [and coop repairs]. Plenty of example letters if you google.

Your spot on mate and I'm not giving up yet the dogs are now housed next door where the fencing is good I'm sure if they new there dogs were not at fault they would not have done that?

[kenleyfred]

A little girl asks her mum,
'Mum, can I take the dog for a walk around the block?' Her mum replies 'No, because she is on heat.' 'What does that mean?' asked the child. 'Go and ask your father. I think he's in the garage.' The little girl goes out to the garage and says,
'Dad, can I take Lulu for a walk around the block?
I asked Mum, but she said the dog was on the heat, and to come ask you.'

He took a rag, soaked it in petrol, and scrubbed the dog's backside with it to disguise the scent, and said 'Ok, you can go now, but keep Lulu on the leash and only go one time around the block.' The little girl left and returned a few minutes later with no dog on the leash.. Surprised, Dad asked, 'Where's Lulu?' You'll love this!!!!!!!!!)
The little girl said, 'She ran out of petrol about halfway round the block, so another dog is pushing her home.'

[jakeslouw]

In my neck of the woods it's shoot or poison.

But then TIA..........and I'm rural.

(My neighbour shoots any dog within 100 meters of his livestock)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

In my neck of the woods it's shoot or poison.

But then TIA..........and I'm rural.

(My neighbour shoots any dog within 100 meters of his livestock)Yeah but in Oz they've taken our guns away and you're not allowed to shoot or poison people. :o

[jakeslouw]

"Yeah but in Oz they've taken our guns away and you're not allowed to shoot or poison people."

Hmm yes but I meant the dogs..... :o

Are cross-bows licensed as well?

[Lucy]

Once a dog gets a taste of blood, its then useless and needs to be put down or taught a very forceful lessen in behavior.

What an absolute crock of $@*1

[isuzurover]

What an absolute crock of $@*1

I hear an echo...

[scarry]

one of these.on your side of the fence for temporary relief,whilst you sort out the fence.keep the grass along the wire nice and wet so they get a good taste.after they get a hit a couple of times they wont go near it.neither will the kids for that matter:D
5km 0.15J Solar Power Electric Fence Energiser Charger Farm Livestock Fencing | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/5km-0-15J-Solar-Power-Electric-Fence-Energiser-Charger-Farm-Livestock-Fencing-/150888603385?pt=AU_Fencing&hash=item2321a95ef9)

There is also a battery operated one,runs on 4 D cells,available from farm supplies,works well on dogs,cats,etc.Has a low & high setting.

You only need it turned on for a couple of days,then turn it off,dogs seem to learn very quickly.

[Slunnie]

It is a crock. Simba kindly caught and brought home a chicken. She didn't know not to do it (and to be fair, she was never taught to do it) and when she got the message to leave them alone, she left them alone. I think to dogs, well Samoyeds at least, that its more the chasing game rather than the eating.

Neighbour runs a hot wire around his house paddock. Keeps the livestock out and the dog in. Works well, his dog knows to keep off it. The hotwire is white tape, its pretty clear what it is.

[THE BOOGER]

"Yeah but in Oz they've taken our guns away and you're not allowed to shoot or poison people."

Hmm yes but I meant the dogs..... :o

Are cross-bows licensed as well?

:Rolling::Rolling::Rolling: sure you ment the dog:twisted:

[Gillie]

this is how the Alpine shire dealt with a similar case.
Puppy put down for killing chook | The Border Mail (http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/54818/puppy-put-down-for-killing-chook/)

[460cixy]

this is how the Alpine shire dealt with a similar case.
Puppy put down for killing chook | The Border Mail (http://www.bordermail.com.au/story/54818/puppy-put-down-for-killing-chook/)


Well speaking to the animal control ppl yesterday it's there responsibility to keep there animals secure not mine or anyone else's so as in the above case I think it's what needs to happen. How ever here in Canberra there all wishy washy do gooders in most cases. Any how the cook wrote her statement of events last night to be sent to animal control today. The least they can do is replace the chook and pay the vet fees for the other and come to the party on the fence the last sticking point there was they want wood when all the others are colorbond and don't want to clear any of the out of control garden to build it I don't want to start some sort of war here like you see on today tonight

as for shooting dogs like some others have spoke of I shoot on a number of property's around here and just about all of them have said if you see a dog shoot it ask questions later as there has been lots of dogs lost by illegal pig dogging in some areas these then roam around getting in to lambs calfs ect

[Chucaro]

I would like to know if the responsibility of dog owners or any animal for that matter regarding control of them also applies to cats.
Why is that always force dog owners to keep control of their pets and nothing is done regarding cats?
IMO cats are as bad or worse than foxes regarding the damage to our native wild life and looks like that not one single authority have the balls to do something about it.
I love birds and I am trying to establish a birds and reptiles friendly garden but few of my neighbors have one or more cats loose in the streets and they come to my place :mad:
It is allowed to have a cats trap in my property and disposal the cats by taking them to the pond or the RSPCA?

Your inputs about legality are appreciated.

[Basil135]

<snip>
It is allowed to have a cats trap in my property and disposal the cats by taking them to the pond or the RSPCA?

Your inputs about legality are appreciated.

I am hoping that is just a typo, and you really meant pound :(

[Chucaro]

I am hoping that is just a typo, and you really meant pound :(

:D:D

Then again..............:angel:

[olbod]

What a load of rot. As with most "rules of thumb" or generalisations it is wrong at least 50% of the time.

Our dog stridently protects our ducks and geese (who roam freely around our property with the dog unsupervised during the day), yet hunts, kills and eats rodents and feral pigeons.

As mentioned, it is the owners who are at fault, and should be made to pay for their inaction.

Thats exactly my point.
Your dog is obviously well trained and intelligent, with social skills.
A lot of dogs are not and their owners are ferals themselves.
The dog (s) in question here are a case in point. If a new fence is errected,
what has the animals learnt ? What will the owners do to prevent future trouble in case the animals get loose again ?
Whose job is it to educate these types of animal owners ?
We on the whole can only deal with the animals ourselves and some of us know the best methods of doing that IE : put salt on is tail.

Its not just dogs, I heard the other day that a Tiger had been put down
after it killed a handler ? I dont know the circumstances but I thought that seemed a bit extreme. I guessed it was a zoo animal in which case the people had a duty of care and the the animal then recognised as dangerous and isolated with its kind for public viewing only and sedated before handling.

In my post I said the animal should be put down or taught how to behave.
There are two options there, right.
Seems people have a problem with that. Suppose the the animal (s) in question here, had attacked and mauled a child ( and are you sure it never would ? ), what would be the outcome ? Where do you draw the line ?

I will continue to deal with these rogue animals as I always have.
I also hunt and trap cats that come onto my property to hunt and kill birds.
I could imagine what would be said if i went to the council and complained about a neighbours cat !!!
Get real. At the end of the day I dont give a stuff what ferals in my district think of me !!!

Cheers, I think.

Robert.

[Chucaro]

.................................................
I also hunt and trap cats that come onto my property to hunt and kill birds.
I could imagine what would be said if i went to the council and complained about a neighbours cat !!!
.................

Cheers, I think.

Robert.

Robert, what are you doing with the cats?
a)Take them to the pound?
b)Take them to the RSPCA dpto?
c) Make cats raviolis or stew?
D) other?

It is not a sarcastic reply, I am desperate for solutions at home as well.

[olbod]

Robert, what are you doing with the cats?
a)Take them to the pound?
b)Take them to the RSPCA dpto?
c) Make cats raviolis or stew?
D) other?

It is not a sarcastic reply, I am desperate for solutions at home as well.


PM sent Mate.

Robert.

[timbo]

If you two were to do any of those things to any dogs I know. I'd be reporting both of you to the RSPCA.

While the dogs in this situation may have killed the chickens or bailed up the child, it is the animal and property owners at fault and not the animals for doing what's instinctual.

Hear hear. There is no excuse for cruelty. There are plenty of ways to solve the problem without resorting to it.

You wouldn't torture the cow that fed you (I hope), so why should a dog suffer because of the owner's negligence?

[clubagreenie]

and come to the party on the fence the last sticking point there was they want wood when all the others are colorbond and don't want to clear any of the out of control garden to build it I don't want to start some sort of war here like you see on today tonight


They have to pay half of at least the wood fence, and if you want to go better then pay the difference unless there's a standard to say that in your area the fencing must match the existing.

[Lucy]

I would like to know if the responsibility of dog owners or any animal for that matter regarding control of them also applies to cats.
Why is that always force dog owners to keep control of their pets and nothing is done regarding cats?
IMO cats are as bad or worse than foxes regarding the damage to our native wild life and looks like that not one single authority have the balls to do something about it.
I love birds and I am trying to establish a birds and reptiles friendly garden but few of my neighbors have one or more cats loose in the streets and they come to my place :mad:
It is allowed to have a cats trap in my property and disposal the cats by taking them to the pond or the RSPCA?

Your inputs about legality are appreciated.

In NSW, you can legally catch cats in your backyard, and then take them to the pound/RSPCA. I have occasionally let them go with a note attached to their collar first, outlining what I will do next AND identifying myself - I once shaved a big strip up the middle of one persistent offender's back before the owner got the message.

[jakeslouw]

I would like to know if the responsibility of dog owners or any animal for that matter regarding control of them also applies to cats.
Why is that always force dog owners to keep control of their pets and nothing is done regarding cats?
IMO cats are as bad or worse than foxes regarding the damage to our native wild life and looks like that not one single authority have the balls to do something about it.
I love birds and I am trying to establish a birds and reptiles friendly garden but few of my neighbors have one or more cats loose in the streets and they come to my place :mad:
It is allowed to have a cats trap in my property and disposal the cats by taking them to the pond or the RSPCA?

Your inputs about legality are appreciated.

I understand they taste quite a bit like rabbit? :o

[Chucaro]

I understand they taste quite a bit like rabbit? :o
Is the hares that taste and the meat looks like de ones in cats.
I know this because the priest in the catholic school used to eat them.
In the north of Italy people eat cats.

[jakeslouw]

Is the hares that taste and the meat looks like de ones in cats.
I know this because the priest in the catholic school used to eat them.
In the north of Italy people eat cats.

Yes I meant hares as we don't have indigenous rabbits in South Africa. And you don't eat ANY hare or rabbit anywhere outside of South Africa, because it is almost CERTAINLY cat.......

[Chucaro]

Yes I meant hares as we don't have indigenous rabbits in South Africa. And you don't eat ANY hare or rabbit anywhere outside of South Africa, because it is almost CERTAINLY cat.......

Nope, there are hares in Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay.
I used to hunt them in Uruguay.
Here in Oz also are hares and they are huge :o

[olbod]

I understand they taste quite a bit like rabbit? :o

They taste quite good with onions and potatoes and other stuff stewed in the coals out in the scrub.

With all the stuff ( myxo and so on ) being used to erradicate rabbits its safer I think to shoot the wild cat for tucker the same as roo, wallaby, goat or camels.

By the way, camel cut into strips and dried makes very tasty jerky.

Robert.

[101RRS]

My neighbour over the back fence here in suburban Canberra came around to see me one day and asked if I had any of his chooks in my backyard as they had disappeared over night.

I didn't but on investigating further, it was clear that urban foxes had raided the chook house and taken the chooks. You often see foxes running around the streets late at night and they live on nearby reserves but mostly in the storm water drains and pipes along with feral cats.

Garry

[460cixy]

My neighbour over the back fence here in suburban Canberra came around to see me one day and asked if I had any of his chooks in my backyard as they had disappeared over night.

I didn't but on investigating further, it was clear that urban foxes had raided the chook house and taken the chooks. You often see foxes running around the streets late at night and they live on nearby reserves but mostly in the storm water drains and pipes along with feral cats.

Garry


I have seen a an increase in fox numbers around Canberra in recent years and nothing seems to ever get done about it I love nothing more then shooting them. But from my experience you won't find your bird after a fox takes it they seem to always kill for the food then for the sport. As for dogs I heard a bloke round the corner from us lost 15 chooks his neighbors next doors dog dug under the fence and smashed the lot while every one was at work

[d@rk51d3]

Do macadamia nuts have the same effect on foxes as they do on dogs?

[460cixy]

Do macadamia nuts have the same effect on foxes as they do on dogs?


This is a new one on me. What happens?

[frantic]

Not that I advocate this in any way but, ;) my grandfather had a birdhouse in his backyard in punchbowl that was being raided by a local cat. For 3 nights he put out cubes of steak, we where asking him why ? On the 4 th he sliced the cubes so it had a pouch in the middle put in some glass then hit it with a hammer:eek: he never lost a bird after that:cool:

[JDNSW]

Yes I meant hares as we don't have indigenous rabbits in South Africa. And you don't eat ANY hare or rabbit anywhere outside of South Africa, because it is almost CERTAINLY cat.......

We don't have indigenous rabbits (or hares) in Australia, but we certainly have them! In case you are not aware of it, rabbits are probably the biggest environmental pest ever imported into Australia (except for Europeans) - and that is even taking into account prickly pear, cane toads, fire ants, mynahs, etc. Biological warfare against rabbits has been going on for about sixty years, with the introduction of myxomatosis and more recently calicivirus, and in many areas these have reduced the problem, but they develop resistance. Rabbitproof fences stretch over thousands of kilometres in Australia in an attempt to limit the problem, with limited success.

In 1966 I captured a rabbit in the middle of the Simpson Desert, and also saw a feral cat.

Hares, while widespread, are nowhere near as much a problem.

John

[Chucaro]

Not that I advocate this in any way but, ;) my grandfather had a birdhouse in his backyard in punchbowl that was being raided by a local cat. For 3 nights he put out cubes of steak, we where asking him why ? On the 4 th he sliced the cubes so it had a pouch in the middle put in some glass then hit it with a hammer:eek: he never lost a bird after that:cool:
I will never be capable to do something like that :(
The slow death for that animal must be terrible painful :(

[d@rk51d3]

This is a new one on me. What happens?

They contain something that acts as a nerve toxin in dogs. Knocks them pretty hard and fast, from what I've heard.

If you've got dogs, don't leave macadamias lying around. They'll even sniff them out to eat too.

[460cixy]

Any how time for an update the ranger has gone for a visit and there not happy suprizeing enough but I don't think it's going to go any further then that. now to get some new quotes for the fence and start over on that front how ever they do seem willing to get that sorted out now even if the woman's son told me to ggf yesterday

[isuzurover]

They contain something that acts as a nerve toxin in dogs. Knocks them pretty hard and fast, from what I've heard.

If you've got dogs, don't leave macadamias lying around. They'll even sniff them out to eat too.

As with most Urban Myths - fact and fiction are quite a distance apart.


Etiology
Clinical Findings
Diagnosis
Treatment
Ingestion of macadamia nuts by dogs has been associated with a nonfatal syndrome characterized by vomiting, ataxia, weakness, hyperthermia, and depression. Dogs are the only species in which signs have been reported.
Etiology:
Macadamia nuts are cultivated from Macadamia integrifolia in the continental USA and Macadamia tetraphylla in Hawaii and Australia. The mechanism of toxicity is not known. Dogs have shown signs after ingesting 2.4 g of nuts/kg body weight. Dogs experimentally dosed at 20 g/kg of commercially prepared macadamia nuts developed clinical signs within 12 hr and were clinically normal without treatment within 48 hr.
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Clinical Findings:
Within 12 hr of ingestion, dogs develop weakness, depression, vomiting, ataxia, tremors, and/or hyperthermia. Tremors may be secondary to muscle weakness. Macadamia nuts may be identified in vomitus or feces. Mild transient elevations in serum triglycerides, lipases, and alkaline phosphatase were reported in some dogs experimentally dosed with macadamia nuts; these values quickly returned to baseline. Signs generally resolve within 12-48 hr.
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Diagnosis:
Diagnosis is based on history of exposure, along with clinical signs. Differential diagnoses include ethylene glycol toxicosis, ingestion of hypotensive agents, and infectious diseases (eg, viral enteritis).
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Treatment:
For asymptomatic dogs with recent ingestion of more than 1-2 g/kg, emesis should be induced; activated charcoal may be of benefit with large ingestions. Fortunately, most symptomatic dogs will recover without any specific treatment. Severely affected animals may be given supportive treatment such as fluids, analgesics, or antipyretics.


Note that the nuts just make them sick for a short time. There are no recorded fatalities.

[bussy1963]

We don't have indigenous rabbits (or hares) in Australia,

Yes we do have indigenous rabbits in Australia. They are the very off white ones.

[Chucaro]

We don't have indigenous rabbits (or hares) in Australia,

Yes we do have indigenous rabbits in Australia. They are the very off white ones.

They are from Sydney also known as the

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/09/1314.jpg

[clubagreenie]

Are you saying it doesn't get more off white than south sydney?

[frantic]

I will never be capable to do something like that :(
The slow death for that animal must be terrible painful :(

Chucaro have you ever watched a well fed cat "play" with it's prey? Slowly disable it , let it move around pounce ,pin, release, repeat for ages and then most times leave the entire body behind purely killing for entertainment. Yes it was a cruel way to kill a cat but no less than the cat does to birds and native animals daily if let lose by the owners.

[Chucaro]

Chucaro have you ever watched a well fed cat "play" with it's prey? Slowly disable it , let it move around pounce ,pin, release, repeat for ages and then most times leave the entire body behind purely killing for entertainment. Yes it was a cruel way to kill a cat but no less than the cat does to birds and native animals daily if let lose by the owners.

Mate, we can not bring our behavior standards to an animal level :o
I understand what are you saying regarding the cats, they are a "hunting machine" worse than foxes and the damage that they do to the Australian fauna it is immense.
I love avian photography and now in Tasmania I was going to setup a birds friendly garden but my worry was the roaming cats which come to my land.
I visited today the local council and they cannot do nothing about it. The Primary Industry is the ones that look after the cats and there is no a legislation in place that will make illegal to have the cuts roaming in the streets.
If I set a trap and the cut get injured I will be in big trouble and have to pay veterinary and legal costs to the owner of the cat :mad:

As result I cannot have birds in my yard :(

[123rover50]

Mate, we can not bring our behavior standards to an animal level :o
I understand what are you saying regarding the cats, they are a "hunting machine" worse than foxes and the damage that they do to the Australian fauna it is immense.
I love avian photography and now in Tasmania I was going to setup a birds friendly garden but my worry was the roaming cats which come to my land.
I visited today the local council and they cannot do nothing about it. The Primary Industry is the ones that look after the cats and there is no a legislation in place that will make illegal to have the cuts roaming in the streets.
If I set a trap and the cut get injured I will be in big trouble and have to pay veterinary and legal costs to the owner of the cat :mad:
As result I cannot have birds in my yard :(


Thats a bit defeatist. We encourage birds and have cat traps.
If the cat is tagged take it to the pound. If not take it into the garage and gas it. Keep the trap where no one can spot it. There are ways around all problems but the message has to get across to irresponsible owners.

[clubagreenie]

If I set a trap and the cut get injured I will be in big trouble and have to pay veterinary and legal costs to the owner of the cat :mad:


No body no crime

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Declare your property a wildlife protection zone and you can then sieze stray cats.

IMHO we, the public, should be more vocal about stray and wandering cats and start getting laws similar to those for dogs applied to cats.

[Treads]

No body no crime

Yep, employ the SSS technique



Shoot

Shovel

Shut up


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