D3 vs PRado vs Jeep

[Didge]

I've seen the Jeep bit before but not the Prado. Sorry if it's been posted before but the D3 running rings around the Prado is amusing. Tyre pressures may have come into the results
Land Rover Discovery 3 LR3 vs New Land Cruiser Prado 4.0L V6 - YouTube

[Disco Muppet]

smart arse D3 driver :D :p
I had quite a giggle at that, thanks!
Cheers
Muppet

[miktdi]

I've seen the Jeep bit before but not the Prado. Sorry if it's been posted before but the D3 running rings around the Prado is amusing. Tyre pressures may have come into the results
Land Rover Discovery 3 LR3 vs New Land Cruiser Prado 4.0L V6 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V05uNdqXqqU&feature=related)

Have show this to my son he is a tojo nut BRILLIANT

[superquag]

Can't shake the impression that its a setup... that first race up the sand dune... Prado driver took his time and didn't achieve a decent speed. LR driver did'nt hesitate, and took only 2/3 the time to reach/pass the bogged Prado.
The Disco also seemed to float over the sand, whereas the Prado went deeper down... Driver or tyre pressures?

[JDNSW]

Mainly driver, is my impression - which does not mean it is necessarily a setup.

John

[2stroke]

Good to watch but I agree it wasn't a fair fight, Prado had a fool behind the wheel.

[TerryO]

This is an old clip and if you read the comments it turns out both vehicles are owned by the same bloke who basically decided he wanted to show how different the two vehicles are in sand.

Cheers,
Terry

[cal415]

The prado is very obviously not at the right pressures... having owned a earlier model prado with the older gutless 1kz motor i can say they do go ok on the beach, anyone who has been on AULRO trips out on stockton with me while i had it would no doubt agree they are capable enough with the right tyre pressures and driver. I have even snatched out a d3 and d4 at the same time with it - a driver trainer in the d3 taking a d4 owner for a beach trip and got stuck trying to snatch him out as i watched on, then reluctantly asked the prado driver for help ;)

I have never been overly impressed with a d3 on sand and personally would go the d2 with some decent tyres over the d3 on sand.

[101RRS]

The prado is very obviously not at the right pressures... having owned a earlier model prado with the older gutless 1kz motor i can say they do go ok on the beach, anyone who has been on AULRO trips out on stockton with me while i had it would no doubt agree they are capable enough with the right tyre pressures and driver. I have even snatched out a d3 and d4 at the same time with it - a driver trainer in the d3 taking a d4 owner for a beach trip and got stuck trying to snatch him out as i watched on, then reluctantly asked the prado driver for help ;)

I have never been overly impressed with a d3 on sand and personally would go the d2 with some decent tyres over the d3 on sand.

I was going to say that based on seeing your Prado on Stockton I would say this is a setup but you beat me to it.

While the D3 is a good performer on sand it is not great and I would say that a properly setup and driven Prado would normally be as good, if not better than a D3 on sand.

Please do not hit me:o

Garry

[Ean Austral]

Think you may find the latest model Prado suffers the same thing as a D3 ..... 18" tyres. A friend has 1 and they come with the low profile 18's.

OR,


could be as stated. Seen it on the Canning trip, 1 D2 driver who refused to drop his tyre pressure's because he thought he would roll the tyre off, and ended up having to be snatched over the top, the other 3 car went over 1st try.

Cheers Ean

[ramblingboy42]

just crossed the simpson in the company of a FJ cruiser running the same tyres, he was on 33's I was on 31's , me in my 13yo td5 D2. down to 12psi he was no better anywhere than me, I stayed at 18psi. His ride and articulation was poorer than mine.....we swapped passengers, so no bias here. At times he was jumping and "frog leaping" along.We also had a new Ford Ranger which clearly upstarted the FJ everywhere in stock standard trim. An LC100 and LC200 didnt fare any better than the others. The standout was a bog standard fender 130 ute fully loaded with all the gear for the four mexicans accomanying him.score...out of ten.....toyota100,200,Fj 5, Ranger 7, LandRover8, landcruiser ute 8.

[superquag]

This is an old clip and if you read the comments it turns out both vehicles are owned by the same bloke who basically decided he wanted to show how different the two vehicles are in sand.

Cheers,
Terry

Which confirms my previous comment. Setup. (and maybe Others here, but too polite to say it...)


- Differant drivers & tyres etc easily reverse such fictions... like the bog-standard government - issue Prado that recently pulled out the latest Rover and KrautWagen on a remote beach... had to do lots of digging for the Deutchlander as norated tow-hitches fitted. Both had bling wheels & tyres... Prado had the cheapest (real) wheels and tyres the WA govt could afford...:o

Appreciated the entertainment factor though . :D:D:D

[Celtoid]

Oh I thought that it was supposed to be an obvious set-up.....

Funny thou.....:)

[DiscoMick]

Apart from the issues about tyre pressures and wheel sizes, did it say anywhere if they both had simalar traction control/locker arrangements? The Prado seemed to do a lot of wheel spinning while the D3 hardly spun at all.

[Didge]

I just thought him doing the circles was funny :)

[Kev the Fridgy]

Apart from the issues about tyre pressures and wheel sizes, did it say anywhere if they both had simalar traction control/locker arrangements? The Prado seemed to do a lot of wheel spinning while the D3 hardly spun at all.

Yea I was thinking the same, last year on Moreton I snatched a Prado with my B2600......I was pretty surprised to find the Prado had no LSD front or rear even as a minimum, suffice to say he was surprised my Mazda came standard with rear LSD in 1993

[BMKal]

The early Prado (90 series) was a very capable vehicle off road - I'd say at least as good as an equivalent vintage Disco in most circumstances.

The 120 series was not as good as the 90 series, though at least the later D4D engine was a big improvement over the original 3 litre diesel.

The latest 150 series is worse again than the 120 was off road. Not a match for a D3 or D4 under any circumstances. Toyota has gradually been improving their "on-road" performance and comfort (but can't match the Disco in this area either) at the expense of their off road ability. A D4 will easliy run rings around a 150 series Prado in sand.

I have had one 90 series Prado, four 120 series and two 150 series as work vehicles (the 90 was a diesel, and I've had both petrol and diesel variants of the other two models). I've also owned a D1 V8, a D2 Td5 and a D4 TDV6 at the same time as having the company provided Prados, so I've had plenty of opportunity to compare them all.

The only thing that I would give the Prado over the Disco in any model - the 4 litre V6 Toyota petrol engine in the 120 and 150 series is a brilliant engine, though I was always glad to have a company fuel card with these vehicles (fuel economy was no worse than my D1 V8 though).

The biggest selling point of the 120 series Prado was the standard 180 litre fuel capacity in all models. The new 150 series has since dropped this to 150 litres (they're too porky to carry 180 litres) and what many people don't realize is that even the 150 litre fuel capacity is now an optional extra - it is no longer standard across the range. The first 150 I had (diesel) up at Nullagine only had about 75 litre fuel capacity and was useless for what we used it for.

The FJ Cruiser is a short wheelbase 150 series Prado with a different body on it. Would expect it to perform better off road than a Prado 150 only because of the shorter wheelbase and lower kerb weight. I've only driven one around town - and didn't like it at all. The "blind spots" in these things are enough to put me off them for starters, let alone all of the cheap plastic "inserts" you find everywhere on them, inside and out. Built for the American market and will never be considered a serious off roader IMHO.

[cal415]

The most interesting thing about this post is even though this is a LR forum there are several defending the Toyota, try this on any other forum and watch the Redneck/Yobo LR trashing fly! Goes to show people here actually think about what they post.

[BMKal]

The most interesting thing about this post is even though this is a LR forum there are several defending the Toyota, try this on any other forum and watch the Redneck/Yobo LR trashing fly! Goes to show people here actually think about what they post.

Agreed - but there are some you just can't defend. :D

During my last stint up at Nullagine, I had an almost new 76 series Landcruiser wagon for a month. You just can't defend that thing at all - the most uncomfortable vehicle I have ever had the misfortune to drive in any road conditions. I've never really spent any time driving a Defender (especially off road), but I just can't imagine that they could possibly be any less comfortable than the 76 series - and would have to be way more capable ;)

The Prado is a good vehicle at what it was designed for - unfortunately I believe that they are getting worse with every new model. I quite enjoyed driving the three 120 series V6 petrol models that I had with two previous employers. They go like stink and will blow the doors off a V6 Dunnydoor when some young ****** tries to give you a run at the lights. The latest offering is just butt-ugly and is simply not as good a vehicle as its predecessors. At least some of the mining companies that originally bought them are now getting rid of them as site vehicles. The company that I work for is replacing site Prado's with the new poverty pack rear barn door LC200 series - and our client at Nullagine has replaced theirs with Nissan Patrols. The company that I work for now only purchases the GXL Prado for Perth office based managers (I was offered one but took the option of a vehicle assistance package and supplied my own vehicle - the D4).

[PAT303]

I'm with you on the Toyota's,we've had three Prado's and the 150 is just a fatter ugly version of the 120 and the 76 is without doubt the worst vehicle I have ever driven except for a Rosca jeep thing a mate bought once.The 200 series is supprisingly bad offroad also,a few weeks back a mate could not get his to drive over a nearby gully,as much has we tried it refused to cross the ditch,he is the same bloke who owns the 20 year old D1 I've been working on and the D1,stock standard to the bone drove across the ditch without a hicup,we were having a BBQ at the time and the people thier could not believe the old disco made it so easily,the 200 series has been a 90k disappointment from new.In my opinion Toyota could not be bothered spending money designing new vehicles,they know people will buy them because they are Toyota's but people are wakeing up,the grey nomads are moving away from them as are private buyers and so they should,the Toyoya's of today are not the Toyota's I worked on a decade ago. Pat

[JOHN T]

I have a series 3 Landy with a Holden 186 engine that at 16 psi on wide tyres It floats easily over sand. We also have a Toyota troopy 4.2 diesel engine with skinny tyres and at 16 psi it floats over sand.

My wife drives a diesel GXL 150 series Prado and at 16 psi it floats over sand.

3 very different vehiclesbut with good momentum and correct tyre pressures they all do great.

The Landy is rougher with more character and the Prado is comfortable and has air con.

The troopy somewhere in between.

Just my unbias opinion.

[Didge]

So you do prefer the Landy, right? :)

[AnD3rew]

D3 is definitely not the best vehicle on sand I have ever driven, not bad but not outstanding.

Driver has an awful lot to do with it, I very clearly remember being on Fraser with a few different vehicles and there was one guy with a raised Hilux and big fat tyres, all of us aired down to about the same level and there was this one sand hill that all of us drove up without any trouble, but this guys just could t get up it no matter how many times he tried. I was in a Vitara which was much much lower and had much skinnier tyres.

Any one of us could drive this Hilux up the hill but he just couldn't.