Discovery 5 - back to more basic roots - new section might be needed

[ozscott]

Disco heads back to its roots | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/disco-heads-back-its-roots)

[Stuart02]

Here's hoping!

[discotwinturbo]

Wrong post.

Ignore.

[NavyDiver]

Disco heads back to its roots | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/disco-heads-back-its-roots)

Time frame of 2016 is about right. My D3 should be getting to about 1 million on the clock by then:) Hope they take that path of getting back to a real capable non handicapped Disco.
The year earlier or so for the new Defenders might be able to tempt me out of the D3 unless it is too pretty.:wasntme: New Defender project begins | Autocar (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-defender-project-begins)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

12 months after the first of the new Defender models — codenamed L660 (disco-heads-back-its-roots (http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/disco-heads-back-its-roots)) I just want to point out to people on this forum, that I, Lotz-A-Landies, moderator to the series, was the first to announce, back in February the project codename for the next Defender L660 as confirmed by the above article! :p

Diana :angel:

[MR LR]

I just want to point out to people on this forum, that I, Lotz-A-Landies, moderator to the series, was the first to announce, back in February the project codename for the next Defender L660 as confirmed by the above article! :p

Diana :angel:
How many times have I read that?? :p

And good to know that somone with some brains is designing the next Disco.

Cheers
Will

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I'm just glad that under the new owners, Land Rover is getting support and funding to develop new models. My contacts at Solihull say its a breath of fresh air after decades and a succession of owners who starved the company.

Even if they are Indian!

[Slunnie]

I'm guessing by that article that they're saying that there will be an underpowered, manual hose out variant with 17" rims and no technology for $115,000.

[chuck]

That sketch of the defended looks very much like an updated D2.

Cheers

[MR LR]

I'm guessing by that article that they're saying that there will be an underpowered, manual hose out variant with 17" rims and no technology for $115,000.
No that would be the next Defender... :p

[Pedro_The_Swift]

doesnt make any sense,,
why kill the golden goose?
and it tows better than the toyota now.
they want to produce MORE models, not less.

maybe "this" new D5 is in reality the new defender-----

[TerryO]

Can someone please tell me what is not so capable about the present D3/4's?

These vehicles run circles around the opposition both on and off road and most years get voted as the best 4x4 in nearly every country around the world. Yet here I'm reading comments about how LR need to get back to building a real Discovery, what a load of absolute bollocks.

If needing to give the new D5 a two inch body lift and then cut your mud guards and doors to fit decent size tyres is getting back to a more capable Disco, like you have to with a D1, then sorry people but in my opinion your playing with yourselves.

Can someone please point out a more capable vehicle than the present class of Discovery's? A Disco is designed as a all rounder vehicle, if you want a more hard core 4b buy a Defender, if you want a soft roader that is super comfortable buy a Merc ML. but neither the Merc or the Fender will be able to do all the things well that a D3/4 can.


Cheers,
Terry

[Disco4SE]

doesnt make any sense,,
why kill the golden goose?
and it tows better than the toyota now.
they want to produce MORE models, not less.

maybe "this" new D5 is in reality the new defender-----
Pedro, I think Landrovers idea is to build a vehicle that is more versitile in that you can have live axles with basic trim at an affordable price......or get a luxury fully independant suspension model at a premium price.
I am told that you will be able to mix & match engine / luxury level combinations.
Makes sense to me.

Cheers, Craig

[Slunnie]

Considering the Disco5 might share some platform architecture with the new Defender, I propose the D5 goes into the Defender section. :wasntme:

Hey, the RRS is in the Disco section!

[DiscoWeb]

Considering the Disco5 might share some platform architecture with the new Defender, I propose the D5 goes into the Defender section. :wasntme:

Hey, the RRS is in the Disco section!

Or the Defender Section gets merged with the D3/D4/D5/RRS Section :angel:

George

[NavyDiver]

Can someone please tell me what is not so capable about the present D3/4's?

These vehicles run circles around the opposition both on and off road and most years get voted as the best 4x4 in nearly every country around the world. Yet here I'm reading comments about how LR need to get back to building a real Discovery, what a load of absolute bollocks.

If needing to give the new D5 a two inch body lift and then cut your mud guards and doors to fit decent size tyres is getting back to a more capable Disco, like you have to with a D1, then sorry people but in my opinion your playing with yourselves.

Can someone please point out a more capable vehicle than the present class of Discovery's? A Disco is designed as a all rounder vehicle, if you want a more hard core 4b buy a Defender, if you want a soft roader that is super comfortable buy a Merc ML. but neither the Merc or the Fender will be able to do all the things well that a D3/4 can.


Cheers,
Terry

Sorry if a real 4wd comment offended Terry. Most or many of our D3s are some D4s are cleary some of the best 4wd and best tow cars. The D4s with 20inch rims are not fully capable 4wds in my opinion:angel: Even the 18inch are just a little handicaped.

I would be driving a D4 but choose a second hand D3 as I felt a D4 was handicapped by the rims. My thoughts only. Clearly some D4s are going to places requiring our discos outstanding 4WD capablity.

I would have brought a new D3 with lockers but was just a bit to slow:( and was only able to get to a new D4. I am not buying a new car to cut it up to fit larger rims. I am looking forward to looking at the new Defer and Disco as my D3 gets very dirty and lives a hard life. Still expect to keep it going well past 500,000km so any thought I am knocking D3s or D4s enginering is off target. The daily drive cabality of our D3 and D4 is hard to pass up. I want everything in the one car:D.

Surely we can all think of a few things a D5 could have to make it just a bit better? The debates on our current beasts is well covered elsewhere.:angel:

[Celtoid]

Sorry if a real 4wd comment offended Terry. Most or many of our D3s are some D4s are cleary some of the best 4wd and best tow cars. The D4s with 20inch rims are not fully capable 4wds in my opinion:angel: Even the 18inch are just a little handicaped.

I would be driving a D4 but choose a second hand D3 as I felt a D4 was handicapped by the rims. My thoughts only. Clearly some D4s are going to places requiring our discos outstanding 4WD capablity.

I would have brought a new D3 with lockers but was just a bit to slow:( and was only able to get to a new D4. I am not buying a new car to cut it up to fit larger rims. I am looking forward to looking at the new Defer and Disco as my D3 gets very dirty and lives a hard life. Still expect to keep it going well past 500,000km so any thought I am knocking D3s or D4s enginering is off target. The daily drive cabality of our D3 and D4 is hard to pass up. I want everything in the one car:D.

Surely we can all think of a few things a D5 could have to make it just a bit better? The debates on our current beasts is well covered elsewhere.:angel:

God, the old 'rims' chestnut again....

I think there are some D4s running around in 18" and 19" shoes that are boldly going where 90% of others of LR and Japanese build fear to tread....

Dunno about the 20s thou....:angel:

I think there are some in this forum that would dispute a standard Deefer up against a standard D4 with decent tyres as a close run thing offroad......towing, no contest...on road.....ballparks away!

IMO the only thing that the Disco lacks is the variety of body, engine, Lux, etc options...as stated earlier by Disco4SE....that's what it really needs, to capture a wider market...although, TATA (LR) aren't exactly dragging their bum when it comes to sales....

Obvious compliant...too heavy, shiney and expensive.....yup, I'd agree. However, the laws of physics dictate that if you want all that stuff, want to be strong and meet safety regs...well, you're gonna be rotund. Lighter, stronger materials will only make it more expensive. Deefer is slipping away in the compliance and safety area and argueing the need, etc is useless...it's the new world and it's the law.

It's been done to death that dropping a lot of the Lux stuff will reduce weight and expense but not proportionally. You'll still have an expensive and heavy'ish car.

You might think that denting a $100K+ D4 is worse than denting a $50K+ Deefer...why? Still expensive and still painful to the owners. If you don't want that pain, buy an older model....it's that simple.

Sorry, where were we....:confused:

Cheers,

Kev :)

[TerryO]

Sorry if a real 4wd comment offended Terry. Most or many of our D3s are some D4s are cleary some of the best 4wd and best tow cars. The D4s with 20inch rims are not fully capable 4wds in my opinion:angel: Even the 18inch are just a little handicaped.




Could you then please explain what is the vehicle out there that you believe is a real 4wd if a D3/4 isn't?

I also own a D2 that came standard with 18" rims in 2003, back then there was bugger all if any serious off road tyres made for 18" rims so why not also add D2's to your list of not real 4wd's along with D3/4's?

If you do though then your fast running out of any series Disco ever having been a real 4wd.

Its a mistake to measure the worth of any vehicle based on what size rims it comes with or even tyres, some D4's do come standard with 20's but so what if your buying new then just order it with the smallest diameter rims available, mightn't do much for resale but you got your smaller rims, at the same time you better ask them to get non oem fitment tyres because no modern 4wd I know of comes with decent off road rubber standard.

Just about every 4wd that is used seriously off road ends up modified and even those with 16" rims often ended up with different aftermarket rims on them so what does it matter whether a D3/4 comes with 20" rims or not? It doesn't make them any the less of a 4wd, it just means the standard bling street wheels need to be changed if your going to do serious off road work.

Personally I believe a D3 or 4 is a excellent 4wd and I would rather own one with 20" rims than something like a new FJ Toyo with 16" rims.


cheers,
Terry

[ozscott]

Agree Terry. BUT if we could have a d4 2.7 with smaller rims and plenty of profile then even better.

Cheers

[rick130]

Or the Defender Section gets merged with the D3/D4/D5/RRS Section :angel:

George

In yer dreams ! :p

[Celtoid]

Agree Terry. BUT if we could have a d4 2.7 with smaller rims and plenty of profile then even better.

Cheers


Agreed mate.

If LR are going to go to the trouble (and expense) of coming up with a modular system that can have all sorts of body, suspension, Lux and engine combo's they'd be nuts to not do a bit of market research and some lessons learned activities. In other words, everything including the brake size/wheel issue should be looked at too.

18" wheels already exist for the 3.0L so why not get a branded LR selection? Better still, develop/buy more powerful, smaller brakes so that you can have lots of wheel combo's that aren't limited by the donk.

Cheers,

Kev.

[Graeme]

Whilst not a mechanical or structural back-to-basics improvement, I'd like to see LR get rid of the 'restricted performance' imposition limiting fuel to a miniscule amount when there's any sort of sensor or turbo fault and go back to allowing the engine to do what it can using default values the way the TD5 does. This would a big improvement for remote area use, albeit only in the event of such a failure. Its similar to air suspension lowering when an ABS sensor fails but at least the lowering can be overcome by other after-market means. If my D4's MAP sensor had failed in the Simpson Desert I expect it would have needed to be recovered due to its very low power and LR taking 2 weeks to get a replacement from England. I imported one myself so will have a spare when I get LR's replacement but can't have a spare everything.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/07/330.jpg

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Looks like a sport/RR/EV
and I'm sure LR want it too,,

but the Discovery has NEVER been copy of anything,,,

[Slunnie]

I like the paint job!

[rar110]

Looks good. The shape fits right between a disco & RR Sport.

[cjc_td5]

Surely that is the new Defender concept?:D Where is MrLandy?:wasntme::wasntme:

[scarry]

I like the paint job!

No extra cost?:D

[Stuart02]

Looks like a sport/RR/EV
and I'm sure LR want it too,,

but the Discovery has NEVER been copy of anything,,,

Yeah as much as I like the idea of a cheaper Sport, it doesn't look different enough from a Sport to justify existing?!

[Tombie]

Looks like a sport/RR/EV
and I'm sure LR want it too,,

but the Discovery has NEVER been copy of anything,,,



Oh really!!! Better check that again!

[Pedro_The_Swift]

what? that it looks like the rest of the LR family or the D's were a copy of something?

[Tombie]

what? that it looks like the rest of the LR family or the D's were a copy of something?



A copy of something - The D1 at least.

I think the branding they're doing now is great.

[scarry]

So next Discovery will be more up market than D4

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/rss-news-feeds/238856-next-range-rover-could-move-upscale-automotive-news.html

Still can't work out why they keep going upmarket,i can only presume that is where the $$$ is.

But surely they will also lose many long term customers along the way?

[LandyAndy]

So next Discovery will be more up market than D4

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/rss-news-feeds/238856-next-range-rover-could-move-upscale-automotive-news.html

Still can't work out why they keep going upmarket,i can only presume that is where the $$$ is.

But surely they will also lose many long term customers along the way?

You are talking Australian market.
Look what you can get in UK,they also do low spec 5 and 7 seaters with no low range.
JLR Australia just doesnt market them here.
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Andrew

[Bytemrk]

Who knows Paul,

Maybe some of us D4 drivers are future "Defender replacement" drivers.

I like my D4's comforts...but I am not sure I'd want to go much more up market.

[Celtoid]

So next Discovery will be more up market than D4

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/rss-news-feeds/238856-next-range-rover-could-move-upscale-automotive-news.html

Still can't work out why they keep going upmarket,i can only presume that is where the $$$ is.

But surely they will also lose many long term customers along the way?

Yup, I'm with you.

Up front a Disco 4 seems expensive ..... and it is, stupidly so in this country (as are all LUX Brands). But when you see a LC200 is in the same bracket and they can even easily top the price of a D4 .... and you see some more basic cars starting at $50/60K + .... they don't seem so badly priced after all.

However .... I can't see why LR would make them more Lux at extra cost. The cars are everywhere 'cause people are willing to pay for that little bit more....LR have hit a sweet spot.

There are obviously people who are influenced by a bit of Lux but if they had the big numbers of dollars or were willing to spend them, they'd go for the big brother RR (if they need the room of a D4/5) or a RRS. So they either haven't got the bucks or don't see the need to spend so much.

If you then push the price bracket of everything from the D4/5 upwards, you're surely going to lose a big chunk of buyers, aren't you?

Unless the new Deefer is then the new D4 .... but all I can visualise is a pyramid and LR would be squeezing towards the top. Meaning, less people have or are willing to spend at the top end. Maybe the new Deefer will lose all its ruggedness and be used as a shopping trolley. :-( Or customers will go elsewhere.

Dunno.

Maybe I'm wrong... http://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/smilies/confused.gif