New EAS Compessor Option [Archive] - Australian Land Rover Owners

SBD4

8th September 2012, 09:54 AM

I had the AMK fitted a week ago based on bulletin LTB00420/2011. No suspension faults since - as you would hope to expect. Definitely easy to hear it operating.

Looking at the link above it says that they are a closed system. If so, then that may be the end of the dryer issues - hopefully. Have to stick my head under the car to see if I can work out which model it is.

101RRS

8th September 2012, 10:40 AM

I just wish the air compressors just had a bit more oompf - yes the standard offering does have the psi and volume to raise the vehicle in ideal conditions but if circumstances require a couple of cycles in quick succession they soon run out of puff. So a compressor with a higher duty would be much better.

LLAMS highlights the issue - if at access height and air tank depleted the air compressor will not get the car to off road height +50 in one go - it will need to have a rest when it gets to about normal offroad height. As a consequence where ever possible I now raise my car in stages - LLAMS +50 then later if needed switch to offroad height.

Does anyone know what happens if the air compressor has failed but the airtank is still full if the car will still raise one last time or does the fault systems just shut the whole thing down?

Garry

bbyer

8th September 2012, 12:01 PM

AMK Automotive (http://en.automotive.amk-antriebe.de/produkte/lfk.aspx) Re the link to AMK, is our 3 compressor a variation of one of their listed models?

What I was really wondering is if the AMK for the 3 was a single stage like the Hitachi, or two stage. My view is that no one has yet made a long life cheap 220 psig, (15 bar), single stage compressor. Hopefully I am now wrong.

I think I see an air dryer bit - maybe the top sort of rounded thing in the link; the bottom being the motor and the end being the compressor. My guess is the compressor for the 3 is the little one, the single stage LFK EK13. To quote from the link:

LFK EK 13

The LFK EK 13 is a cost-effective, powerful single-piston compressor for pressure levels of up to 15 bar. It is a device that is ideal for integration into applications at single-axis leveling systems.

CaverD3

8th September 2012, 12:38 PM

Can't see it being enough, just for rear self leveling suspension. The LR one is huge, look at TLOs photos. I was thinking it might be the LFK21-0.7 (HP) which would mean the LFK21-3 (HP) might work.

bbyer

8th September 2012, 01:05 PM

Can't see it being enough, just for rear self leveling suspension. The LR one is huge, look at TLOs photos. I was thinking it might be the LFK21-0.7 (HP) which would mean the LFK21-3 (HP) might work. I would like to think that as well - that the new compressor is a two stage similar to the LFK21. If so, then there is a good chance that the new one will be better than the Hitachi single stage. (My fear was that it would be similar to the EK13.)

It looks like the LFK21 would pull about 35 amps, (455 watts), so that sounds OK and I imagine on the LR version, the sensors within, with the appropriate software will all speak Land Rover so we might finally have a winner. If so, I think then compressor problems will start to revolve around the air dryer.

SBD4

9th September 2012, 06:48 PM

I got around to taking a look at the new AMK compressor installed last week and it looks like it hangs down quite a bit. There are other parts of the under body that hang down as far. It looks like Gordon will need to design a new protection plate to suit! I wouldn't expect the plastic cover to last with tough off road action....

Anyway have a look and see what you think:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/sbd4-albums-amk+compressor-picture3763-amk1.jpg
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/sbd4-albums-amk+compressor-picture3769-zoom-out-side-view.jpg
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/sbd4-albums-amk+compressor-picture3767-side-view-front-end-compressor.jpg
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/sbd4-albums-amk+compressor-picture3766-side-view-back-end-compressor.jpg

CaverD3

9th September 2012, 09:26 PM

Did they install new software or was it a straight swap?

SBD4

9th September 2012, 09:44 PM

Description on job sheet says:

"Replaced Hitachi with AMK reprogrammed ride level controller tested"

CaverD3

9th September 2012, 09:48 PM

So new software. :BigThumb:

Notice any difference?

SBD4

9th September 2012, 10:15 PM

Yes conducted a small test this afternoon.

1) Normal to off road height, all four corners rose at the same time in about 5 secs
2) dropped it down to access height then up to off road height, It went straight up with no pauses or "pumping" in about 10 secs
3) repeated step 2 above immediately, this time the compressor was playing catch up with the usual staggered pumping action but still in reasonable time.

The ride height seemed a bit higher in off road height - will need to get proper measurements though to substantiate that. The times above are an estimation at this point as I didn't really think to take note at the time.

I'll do the test again recording times and height levels and post back.

Graeme

10th September 2012, 05:35 AM

Because the software upgrade is mandatory, it may simply be to cater for different calibrations of the temperature sensors.

SBD4

10th September 2012, 08:52 AM

OK just took some measurements so as not to rely on my guesses.

levels measured from centre of wheel hub to arch - my efforts are not very accurate (O = Off road N = Normal A = Access height):

Levels:
..| Front | Rear
O | 515mm | 535mm
N | 475mm | 490mm
A | 425mm | 445mm

Times:
A ==> N 4 Secs
N ==> O 6 Secs
O ==> A 11Secs
A ==> O 11Secs

In all above times I waited for compressor to finish running before next setting was selected.

Two A ==> O changes in a row with out waiting for compressor to refill
A ==> O 14 Secs on 2nd run

Compressor took about 2 Mins to refill the tank.

Lastly, there are no accessories on the vehicle, Half a tank of fuel was on board and no people inside.

Not sure how this compares to a new Hitachi - hope it provides some useful info.

David Hannett

10th September 2012, 08:13 PM

Last December my MY11 D4 threw up fault C1A20-64 and persisted so into the dealer who reworked the compressor (Bulletin LTB00269 V5) dryer kit etc but same fault persisted - Bulletin LBT00420 indicated new compressor required and waited about 8 weeks for it to arrive - New compressor is ROLR037065 which a post on the UK forum indicates is an AMK unit as opposed to the original Hitachi.

Improvement in compressor performance was stunning compared to original unit - I had been complaining to the dealer and asking for suggestions this forum about the numerous wait and over temperature messages and general frustration re slow to raise and temperamental behaviour of the original unit.

the RLOR037065 has been in place since February and not a single error message since, consistently very fast to raise 3-5 secs, never over temperature, I can hear the new compressor running above engine idle noise which is new and I have been deliberately exercising the system to see what and when the errors would kick in and there have been none. my overall impression is that this unit is correctly matched to the task.

Fitted llams a few weeks ago and no issues - needless to say I am very happy but can't help wondering if was accidental good fortune rather than LR doing something about a very obvious weak compressor specification.

CaverD3

10th September 2012, 08:21 PM

If you can call an earthquake and tsunami 'good fortune' :angel:

Graeme

10th September 2012, 08:38 PM

My old-style compressor works fine but how can I get a new one before end of warranty?

CaverD3

10th September 2012, 08:40 PM

Add some water to your dryer?

SBD4

10th September 2012, 08:45 PM

My old-style compressor works fine but how can I get a new one before end of warranty?

up,down,up,down,up,down,up,down.......;)

TerryO

10th September 2012, 11:10 PM

My old-style compressor works fine but how can I get a new one before end of warranty?

I have a nice new shiney box that says 'new air compressor' that has a rather old sad worn out one in it that I can send you if need be Graeme.

Would that do the trick? ...;)

Cheers,
Terry

LRTech23

11th September 2012, 06:29 PM

up,down,up,down,up,down,up,down.......;)

Hmmm.

Very cheeky.

I wouldn't recommend doing this.

If your compressor doesn't screw up under warranty chances are it won't for a while. I don't see replacements after the end of the warranty period very often.

Also as a proud Land Rover dealer employee, I would hate to think that we have customers who take advantage of us in such a way.

TerryO

11th September 2012, 08:19 PM

Hmmm.

Very cheeky.

Also as a proud Land Rover dealer employee, I would hate to think that we have customers who take advantage of us in such a way.

No sir no one here who would take advantage of a Land Rover dealer :no2::no2::no2:

cheers,
Terry ;)

CaverD3

12th September 2012, 05:54 AM

At this point Graeme's compressor actually fails. :Rolling:

Graeme

12th September 2012, 07:08 AM

Either that and it looks sus or it will fail the day after the end of warranty, which is more likely seeing that it was replaced early in the warranty period.

Graeme

20th September 2012, 11:36 AM

I must have jinxed my D4's compressor. No rising slowly messages but over the last couple of days 'normal height only' with C1A20 code (pressure increases too slowly when filling reservoir). The fault occurs soon after starting without any height changes having been requested, so just resuming reservoir filling from the previous ignition cycle. It will only react to height increase requests if switched prior to or immediately after startup, with the front taking forever to rise. Thankfully height changes are attempted before attempting to fill the reservoir.

In light of the existance of a new design compressor, I'll not rejuvinate the dryer unless it stops working altogether.

CaverD3

20th September 2012, 11:48 AM

There is a TSB for them (if a cutomer has an issue). If under warranty you should get the new one.

Graeme

20th September 2012, 12:01 PM

Its still within warranty by nearly 3 months and just over 10K kms. If I'd known yesterday that it would raise if requested early enough the rear bumper would most likely still be attached.

101RRS

20th September 2012, 12:30 PM

I don't see replacements after the end of the warranty period very often.

That is because dealers are rip off merchants and most people get their compressors from overseas for half the price and put them in themselves or get someone in the know to do it themselves.

You, however, are to be applauded like other forum people who work at dealerships who come on here and help us out and I hope take some of the sentiments back to your businesses and provide feedback to Land Rover Aust.

Cheers

Garry

Graeme

21st September 2012, 10:13 AM

My old-style compressor works fine...It seems that the suspension ecu software update that set a lower reservoir pressure limit also removed the 'rising slowly' and 'waiting for compressor to cool' information messages, making me think that my compressor has been working well until the last few days. Mine does not give the above messages even though it can take an hour's driving to get up to "normal" height before giving the 'normal height only' message when it eventually gets around to trying to fill the reservoir. Hence there is no longer an early warning of the compressor starting to fail.

Edit: Rising slowly does indeed still occur when going from access to normal height.

Graeme

23rd September 2012, 12:01 PM

My D4's 2nd compressor has failed totally now, with the dryer basically blocked which I expect was the cause of the first compressor failure. The dryer had 180g of dessicant, considerably more than the 150g a German LR accessory supplier puts in their compressor rebuild kits. Reducing the dessicant to 150g was of no help though as the compressor no longer moves any air. I hope the new compressor assembly is better.

Oh yes, the 'waiting to cool' message still occurs too.

SBD4

23rd September 2012, 08:53 PM

My old-style compressor works fine but how can I get a new one before end of warranty?
Graeme, it seems you have your answer and in good time!

Graeme

23rd September 2012, 09:21 PM

So it seems.

adzee

18th November 2012, 01:00 PM

Any news on the software for the D3? I am about to for go my christmas pennies and put it all in my car :( and I want the new one but LR Dealer said it's about $600 more. Didn't offer this new version mind you (mad) and also expressed no intension of listing the changes etc. If you buy it, does it come with bracket and relay updates etc, and could you then just visit a dealer for the update to the software? What dangers do I have to be mindful of driving it a short distance to my dealer? And would they do this do you think?

Edit: Sorry just read this - http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic84165.html and it answered some questions.

Graeme

18th November 2012, 02:48 PM

What dangers do I have to be mindful of driving it a short distance to my dealer?So are now aware that the new compressor seems to work OK without updating the D3 software?

adzee

18th November 2012, 02:52 PM

So are now aware that the new compressor seems to work OK without updating the D3 software?

It seems by the few reports it should still function but the new software is available (should be) and that you need to get this done. I would worry if it didn't work at all but seems that others have done O/S and they haven't reported issues. Has been a short time only, but you would hope they have gone and updated the software.

Are you concerned about Llams software issue/compatibility? Shouldn't change it should it?

adzee

18th November 2012, 03:38 PM

Celtoid

18th November 2012, 06:01 PM

[QUOTE=adzee;1799424]Seems any vehicle in this range that had a faulty compressor replaced with the hitachi is set to be replaced to decrease dissatisfaction amongst owners.

QUOTE]

That might be the answer to why mine got replaced without my knowledge or asking.

I had a compressor replaced way, way back...when I first got the car (Jan 2010).

The only other thing I can think of is the fact that I had an 'off-road incident' in poor light on Bribie Island, which had the compressor warning lights illuminating.

Maybe LR acted on the fault codes when it went in for a service a week or two later.

Cheers,

Kev.

Graeme

18th November 2012, 06:45 PM

Are you concerned about Llams software issue/compatibility? Shouldn't change it should it?
Definitely not worried - my D4 has new compressor and s/w!

Updated s/w would only be to cater for such possibilities as anticipating how quickly the vehicle lowers when the exhaust valve is opened because if the rate is faster due to a different design then the target height might be overshot requiring the vehicle to then be raised a little.

Mully

19th November 2012, 10:31 PM

Sorry for off topic... does anyone know where to get hold of the updated software for self flashing? I've read where owners have done their own via Faultmate but you obviously need the firmware to load.

Thanks either way.

wyperfield

20th November 2012, 10:43 PM

[QUOTE=adzee;1799424]Seems any vehicle in this range that had a faulty compressor replaced with the hitachi is set to be replaced to decrease dissatisfaction amongst owners. Hence the replacements. What about D3 owners?? :(
QUOTE]

At 83,000klms, the 2nd compressor on my D3 failed recently. After a tough weekend up in the high country (VIC), on the road on the way home it dropped to the bumpstops and I had to drive it home in slow mode, with the red suspension light bonging and saying not to drive over 35klms/hr. Resetting it worked for about 1 minute, then it would drop again.
I had it towed to the dealer next day. The LR dealer made me pay $220 for new software and re-calibration, but the compressor was covered under extended warranty.
Its physically larger and hangs lower than the old one. Its aalso noticeably faster to pump up the off-road height than the old one.
I'm pretty happy with it and hope it can last a few years now.

Graeme

21st November 2012, 05:23 AM

.. it dropped to the bumpstops and I had to drive it home in slow mode, with the red suspension light bonging and saying not to drive over 35klms/hr. Resetting it worked for about 1 minute, then it would drop again.If you can get the suspension back up, immediately remove the main 20A suspension system fuse from the engine bay fuse box which will prevent it from dropping again. Remove the cabin 5A suspension system fuse to stop the annoying 35 kph warning messages.

adzee

24th November 2012, 01:48 PM

Well I have been looking in to my options for this compressor, and it just sucks for the time of year. The new compressor fitted was going to be around $1500-1600 at MLR and the compressor alone from Ritter was $1285.00 - I can get this from UK for about $700 shipped in 5 days, hopefully fit myself, and pay Ritter $44 for the software updates. So I am not sure how I am going to do this at the moment. One hand I want warranty, on the other they are charging me for a second one anyway so why spend that money unless i need to?

Graeme

24th November 2012, 03:01 PM

What would the warranty be - 12 months? The new one should last well beyond that anyway so why not get it and fit it yourself.

adzee

24th November 2012, 03:03 PM

What would the warranty be - 12 months? The new one should last well beyond that anyway so why not get it and fit it yourself.

That's exactly my thoughts on it. Only issue for me is money... Pay day hits 21 Dec :( always the way. Hehe

Redback

28th November 2012, 02:29 PM

Well it seems our suspension failure (also Vic High Country) was a compressor failure, it is being replaced as we speak.

We are fourth in line for a new compressor at the dealer, it's good they found the problem.

I have heard that constant driving of places like the High Country, where your constantly going up and down hilly country will kill the compressor as it over works trying to level the car all the time.

Guess we'll see how the new one goes over Xmas:D

If it helps, we did a hard re-set, removing the battery leads clicking them together, that got it back up.

Baz.

adzee

1st December 2012, 01:15 AM

At least yours is covered by warranty? Mine is due Monday. Has come from a LR dealer in UK so warranty for one year globally :) $700 delivered in 5 business days. Pretty happy with that.

adzee

15th December 2012, 08:52 PM

Update on mine... Bought from UK shopped here with in 4-5 days, had all components in it, got the instructions for fitting from disco3.co.uk and set about the task of raising my d3 again.

When turning the vehicle over for the first time I was very happy, the faults didn't show up... Straight away. The moment the car rocked it threw a fault! As I needed the software update for the new compressor I decided to drive it on the dreaded bump stops to get it updated.

The fault codes were showing fuse, and rear height sensors. After the update/reset of the ecu it worked a charm. Very easy install, seemed too basic!

Haven't had a fault since (didn't replace the sensors based on the advice of the fantastic service team, as they said its possibly just showing due to been on bumpstops for a while).

All in all saved over $500 by doing it this way.

Graeme

16th December 2012, 05:20 AM

When turning the vehicle over for the first time I was very happy, the faults didn't show up... Straight away. The moment the car rocked it threw a fault! As I needed the software update for the new compressor I decided to drive it on the dreaded bump stops to get it updated.For the benefit of others who might fit their own, switch off then if it will raise again, immediately pull the main suspension 20A fuse from the engine bay fuse box to prevent it from lowering again.

adzee

16th December 2012, 08:49 AM

For the benefit of others who might fit their own, switch off then if it will raise again, immediately pull the main suspension 20A fuse from the engine bay fuse box to prevent it from lowering again.

I should have my statement clearer. The faults didn't show but it certainly didn't start up the compressor. I believe it was just the fuse that caused this.

Fred Nerk

10th April 2013, 04:50 PM

When my car (D4 HSE MY12) went for its 26000km service I mentioned that I was having concerns with slow height increases etc. and was reassured that it was normal and no faults could be detected.

Problems/issue persisted, but did not seem to be getting worse and so I accepted it as normal.

Went for 39000km service. When collecting the car have been advised (without me raising the issue again) that I will be getting a new compressor under warranty in a few days. Either the service people detected faults or there is "quiet recall" going on. :confused:

Edit: I might also mention that I have a GOE compressor protection plate which does not appear to have been touched during the service. This implies that there was no inspection of the compressor itself. I will remove the plate (and my GOE suspension rods) before I return the car to the dealer for the new compressor installation.

Graeme

10th April 2013, 07:06 PM

Inspecting the compressor achieves nothing and slow to rise messages aren't faults so don't get recorded so no slackness by the service people in that respect.

101RRS

10th April 2013, 07:16 PM

Inspecting the compressor is not a service item - hence it was not looked at in a service.

Garry

CaverD3

10th April 2013, 07:33 PM

HarryO

11th April 2013, 05:49 PM

For the benefit of others who might fit their own, switch off then if it will raise again, immediately pull the main suspension 20A fuse from the engine bay fuse box to prevent it from lowering again.

I have added a inline dash mounted illuminated switch using a modified "mini fuse holder" - no wiring mods to the existing vehicles wiring.(http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINI-ATM-Fuse-TAP-Add-on-Dual-Circuit-Adapter-Auto-CAR-Terminal-7A-10A-15A-20A-/261191725157?pt=US_Car_Audio_Video_Fuses_Fuse_Hold ers&hash=item3cd03d7065#ht_2645wt_806 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/MINI-ATM-Fuse-TAP-Add-on-Dual-Circuit-Adapter-Auto-CAR-Terminal-7A-10A-15A-20A-/261191725157?pt=US_Car_Audio_Video_Fuses_Fuse_Hold ers&hash=item3cd03d7065#ht_2645wt_806)). This way I can prevent the suspension lowering at any time by just turning a dash mounted switch off. When in extended height on the real deep soft stuff I do not want the car to lower because I am slightly over there speed setpoint. All the warnings, bells and chimes go off warning me but the suspension does not lower unless I want it to. Yes I know the lowering is a "safety" feature to keep the CG low and I choose to accept that risk based on the conditions I am in.

PeterOZ

12th April 2013, 11:18 AM

Hmmm.

Very cheeky.

I wouldn't recommend doing this.

If your compressor doesn't screw up under warranty chances are it won't for a while. I don't see replacements after the end of the warranty period very often.

Also as a proud Land Rover dealer employee, I would hate to think that we have customers who take advantage of us in such a way.

My D3 TDV6 MY08 had the compressor fail just out of warranty and just out of the lease program.

I did buy the supposed LR extended warranty from the dealer in Brisbane, undrewritten by Alliance.

As i am now getting the D3 serviced by MR I enquired about chances of getting the compressor replaced under the extended warranty but was told don't even bother as they will not pay up.

Any thoughts on this?

discotwinturbo

12th April 2013, 02:33 PM

My D3 TDV6 MY08 had the compressor fail just out of warranty and just out of the lease program.

I did buy the supposed LR extended warranty from the dealer in Brisbane, undrewritten by Alliance.

As i am now getting the D3 serviced by MR I enquired about chances of getting the compressor replaced under the extended warranty but was told don't even bother as they will not pay up.

Any thoughts on this?

Failed just outside of warranty.....does LR not provide good will claims ? I have had goodwill claims up to 5 years of age....this saves me between 50-75% of the cost. If it is expected to last longer than 3 years (I know that these fail sooner and often) but the expectation is for this to last longer (pretending that I don't know that they do fail sooner and often), I don't see why not. Maybe I just say the right things when I need to claim.....or lucky ?

Be interested to see what happens when my D4 is out of warranty.

Others on here have claimed pumps under the right extended warranty.

Brett.....

elsey

12th April 2013, 10:10 PM

If you read the information on the official Land Rover site re Land Rover Assured Extended Warranty it clearly says that 'Suspension comopnantry' is covered. The compressor is a major componant of the suspension componantry therefore I would expect the compressor to be covered by the LR Assured Extended Warranty. See excerpt below.

A SENSIBLE INVESTMENT Land Rover Assured Extended Warranty Insurance provides cover similar to the original manufacturer’s new vehicle warranty.*

In the event of a mechanical failure, Land Rover Assured Extended Warranty Insurance covers your vehicle for all original components including (but not limited to):

- Engine - Transmission - Driveline - Steering - Air conditioning & heating - Engine cooling & fuel systems - Electronics - All electrical systems - Anti-lock brakes - Traction & stability systems - Engine computers - Torsion bars - Engine mounts - Suspension componentry - Liftgate, door, & window mechanics - Turbo & supercharger - Sunroof - And much more!k

Choose Land Rover Assured Extended Warranty Insurance for 12 or 24 months, up to 200,000 Kms.

Lou...

Fred Nerk

13th April 2013, 09:44 AM

I decided to look at the TOPIx site and found a bulletin regarding the compressor. I am not able to register as a subscriber and so can't see the text. It is number Q213v4 ROW. Is someone able to check that one out for me?

Edit. I found another bulletin. LTB00420v2 which relates to compressor replacement, but I can't access it either.

And another LTB00331 :-)

CaverD3

13th April 2013, 10:34 AM

Alliance is not LR assured warranty. If the dealer told you it was anything like a an extended LR warranty then it was misleading.
Allianz back the LR one.
Alliance one is not worth the bytes it is written in.

elsey

13th April 2013, 09:43 PM

CaverD3 you are right the LR Assured Extended Warranty is underwritten by Allianz, that is the one that is promoted on the LR Official Site and from all accounts the one to buy.

Lou...

discotwinturbo

13th April 2013, 09:57 PM

Seems any vehicle in this range that had a faulty compressor replaced with the hitachi is set to be replaced to decrease dissatisfaction amongst owners. Hence the replacements. What about D3 owners?? :(

"LTB00420/2011 which gives information about the affected VINs - even MY2012!

Hitachi compressor from VIN:
Discovery 4/LR4 – AA513326 to BA589534
Range Rover Sport – AA215623 to BA708097

AMK compressor from VIN:
Discovery 4/LR4 – BA589535 to CA603567
Range Rover Sport – BA708098 ro CA725317

Back to Hitachi compressor from VIN:
Discovery 4/LR4 – from CA603568
Range Rover Sport – from CA725318 " Taken from disco3.co.uk post.

It seems as though I have the AMK as my chassis number is CA602...

I thought from reading that the AMK was a replacement and better than the Hitachi, but it seems they are going back to the Hitachi ? I gather its not if they have returned to the Hitachi compressor.

Brett....

adzee

14th April 2013, 09:59 AM

It seems as though I have the AMK as my chassis number is CA602...

I thought from reading that the AMK was a replacement and better than the Hitachi, but it seems they are going back to the Hitachi ? I gather its not if they have returned to the Hitachi compressor.

Brett....

Where have you read they are returning to hitachi?

I have had the amk one installed since November last year and think its way better responding than the old one. Certainly more confident in its bracket used even though its hanging a bit lower...

My understanding was they switched due to the tsunami wiping out the hitachi factory?

discotwinturbo

14th April 2013, 12:17 PM

Where have you read they are returning to hitachi?

I have had the amk one installed since November last year and think its way better responding than the old one. Certainly more confident in its bracket used even though its hanging a bit lower...

My understanding was they switched due to the tsunami wiping out the hitachi factory?

It was in the post from you (the cut from the D3 forum in the UK). I read this as back to hitachi from the later vins....these vins are after my D4....if they go in numerical order.

"Back to Hitachi compressor from VIN:
Discovery 4/LR4 – from CA603568
Range Rover Sport – from CA725318"

Brett

adzee

14th April 2013, 09:02 PM

It was in the post from you (the cut from the D3 forum in the UK). I read this as back to hitachi from the later vins....these vins are after my D4....if they go in numerical order.

"Back to Hitachi compressor from VIN:
Discovery 4/LR4 – from CA603568
Range Rover Sport – from CA725318"

Brett

Egg on face :P

That I can't explain and didn't read cause it didn't affect me... Hehe

discotwinturbo

14th April 2013, 11:11 PM

Egg on face :P

That I can't explain and didn't read cause it didn't affect me... Hehe

Never mind....I found the info very useful.

But now I don't know which is the best compressor. But have never had an issue with the AKM to date, and it gets used frequently and excessively.

Brett.....

PeterOZ

15th April 2013, 08:48 AM

the warranty states Ladrover extension of manufactuers warranty and the sales guy who sold it assured me at the time it was the same as original warranty, hence why I forked out nearly $3k for it.

Should have checked here to ask a few questions first. <_<

Anyway I will ask the dealer about it but won't hold my breath on it.

CaverD3

15th April 2013, 10:14 AM

'Misleading and deceptive' comes to mind. :mad:
Speak to the ACCC and see if you can get your money back at least.

PeterOZ

15th April 2013, 10:28 AM

Apprantly many have contacted ACCC with no result, some have even taken the court action without suitable outcome.

Anyway I have asked the question nicely pointing out :

- there is a TSB on the hitachi compressors and as a known issue they should replace out of goodwill; or

- vehicle had only recently come out of orginal warranty by a few months, hence "Implied warranty" whould be implied; or

- The LR "Extension of Original Manufacturers Warranty" sold to me as a full extension should cover it.

I really do not care which one but I would suggest it should be covered under 1 of the options.

Let the universe send me my new AMK compressor :p

PeterOZ

17th April 2013, 01:52 PM

Update on my compressor. Dealer and LR will be replacing it with a new AMK one next week.

Extended warranty underwriter refused to come to the party.

Hat off to this Brisbane dealer. To service guys and much appreciated :-)

CaverD3

17th April 2013, 02:00 PM

Hat off to this Brisbane dealer. To service guys and much appreciated :-)

But not the sales dept. that sold you the worthless warranty? ;)

PeterOZ

17th April 2013, 02:58 PM

That is another battle to discuss with them. Lets focus on a very positive outcome today and let the universe sort this next issue :-)

Fred Nerk

24th April 2013, 05:46 PM

New compressor installed by dealer Under warranty today. Nice new cover and it hangs a little lower than the previous compressor. Tomorrow, I'll reinstall my GOE protector plate. I have been advised still that accommodates the new lower compressor.

I asked the service man why they replaced it. He said that the previous compressor was struggling to maintain the pressure in the reservoir tank and was slow to rise. Seems odd that when I mentioned that issue months ago they said it was working fine.

Oh well. I've got a new compressor and all should be well with the universe.

PeterOZ

24th April 2013, 06:12 PM

Same here. Picked up mine yesterday. New AMK compressor, relay, fuse and software update all FOC as goodwill.

Very pleased to have it done so big thanks to my local Brisbane dealer.

My lovely lady is also pleased to have that functionality working again too 😎

Rohan

28th April 2014, 08:40 PM

Mike_S

28th April 2014, 08:56 PM

Try the uk for the pump, but have it installed is my advice. It'll need a software update is my understanding, but if removing the old one is anything like mine it'll be a proper git of a thing as everything will be seized up. If memory serves, my indie back in the UK reckoned all the fixing bolts were quite small and seized solid thanks to the way the cover retains all the mud & crap.

$2k does sound a little bit of a stitch up though (MLR charged me much less than that to supply & fit a new steering rack!!), did the bloke say his name was Dick Turpin ? :p

SBD4

28th April 2014, 08:58 PM

You'll want the new AMK compressor. Google part number LR045251. You'll find it on the usual UK sites. You should be able to manage installation but you'll need to get a software update from a dealer to make the most of it.

Check this for how to do the installation:
DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - How To - AMK Suspension Compressor Replacement (http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic84165.html)

sheerluck

28th April 2014, 08:59 PM

.....$2k does sound a little bit of a stitch up though, did the bloke say his name was Dick Turpin ? :p

No, it was Rob. Or Rob N. Barsteward to give him his full name

trevorj

29th April 2014, 03:00 PM

And you will need the GOE plate; the AMK hangs well below the chassis, and looks really vulnerable. I got the jitters and went straight to the GOE plate - easy install, no downside that I have noticed.

IvanR

29th April 2014, 05:30 PM

Hi All,
I've got my '06 RRS in at the stealer for a nice cheap timing belt service at the moment. I reported that I am having an issue with the air suspension, in that, it won't lower! Just goes up to extended mode instead. Shows an algorithm fault.
Anyway, turns out that I have to replace the compressor. The quote for this was $1937.00 I think this was for the "new" type of unit. After politely declining their kind offer I'm wondering what the going rate is for a replacement from the UK? (Old type or new)

Also is there anyone around Melbourne that fancies giving me a hand to fit it? (Obviously the requisite amount of beer would be provided)
Cheers.
Rohan.
Rohan, if your suspension wont lower it is because the system is not releasing air, not the compressor. It could be that the desicant in the dryer has powered and blocking things up or the exhaust value on the compessor is stuck. This happened to me and when I serviced these to parts all was well again. The exhaust valve is No 7 in the attached drawing.
Ivan

Rohan

29th April 2014, 07:05 PM

Rohan, if your suspension wont lower it is because the system is not releasing air, not the compressor. It could be that the desicant in the dryer has powered and blocking things up or the exhaust value on the compessor is stuck. This happened to me and when I serviced these to parts all was well again. The exhaust valve is No 7 in the attached drawing.
Ivan

Thanks for that Ivan, sounds well worth a shot!

Assuming all goes tits up, I had a chat with the service guy and he said that they would fit a compressor that I supply, along with the necessary updates to the software, for approximately $300. He also offered to "have a look" at the price if I go back to him with what I can purchase a unit for.
Hadn't been to ULR before, but I think I may go back if the service stays as good as I experienced!

JamesH

30th April 2014, 04:40 PM

SBD4

30th April 2014, 04:54 PM

Excuse the semi thread hijack, but how slow is too slow in lifting the suspension? I read here about all four corners lifting at the same rate. Mine does not do that, it lifts rear first but it does have an ARB roo bar on it and I wouldn't have called it unreasonably slow.

James, lifting rear 1st then front is normal. With regard to speed, I did some testing when I had the compressor replaced and timed the transitions which I documented earlier in this thread:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/158486-new-eas-compessor-option-2.html#post1756855

It should give you something to compare against.

Celtoid

30th April 2014, 06:47 PM

James, lifting rear 1st then front is normal. With regard to speed, I did some testing when I had the compressor replaced and timed the transitions which I documented earlier in this thread:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/158486-new-eas-compessor-option-2.html#post1756855

It should give you something to compare against.

Yup, always bum first ... I read it was to do with not blinding oncoming drivers if you are doing this at night .... but then again, this story may have as much cred as the "why is the bonnet handle on the LHS?" stories LOL!!!

SBD4

30th April 2014, 07:08 PM

Yup, always bum first ... I read it was to do with not blinding oncoming drivers if you are doing this at night .... but then again, this story may have as much cred as the "why is the bonnet handle on the LHS?" stories LOL!!!

sounds reasonable to me Kev;)