Qld TMR Laws for LED Light Bars

[Saitch]

I'm not convinced about the wee little divider being noticable at 200m:p

[isuzurover]

The authorities are finally catching up...

I am sure this will spread to other states.

[BigJon]

Another piece of drivel penned by a public servant justifying their existence. Given that driving lights / LED lightbars / etc are to be used only with high bean headlights what difference does it make if they are fitted singly, in pairs, triples, etc? It isn't like anyone is looking at them when they are turned on anyway.

[ade]

so are 4bies with three spotties across the front illegal then?

[LowRanger]

so are 4bies with three spotties across the front illegal then?

Yes,always have been.Same goes for the wombats that have them fitted to roof or roof racks

[isuzurover]

so are 4bies with three spotties across the front illegal then?

YES - (according to the ADRs and NCOP).

[LowRanger]

The authorities are finally catching up...

I am sure this will spread to other states.

No catching up in NSW,it has been the law for many many years that lights must be fitted in pairs.It is why I never wasted my money on an LED light bar

[isuzurover]

No catching up in NSW,it has been the law for many many years that lights must be fitted in pairs.It is why I never wasted my money on an LED light bar

It has in many states. (Including QLD). But light bars seem to be slipping through...

[woody]

Does that mean that the yobbo that blinded us the other night will have to fit another full length bar to his roofrack to stay legal or will TMR enforce that lights above the bonnet must be covered. If they are covered the yobbo's are too lazy to uncover them for on road.

[isuzurover]

Does that mean that the yobbo that blinded us the other night will have to fit another full length bar to his roofrack to stay legal or will TMR enforce that lights above the bonnet must be covered. If they are covered the yobbo's are too lazy to uncover them for on road.

Not sure what you are trying to say?

There is no maximum height rule for lights. (as has been discussed on here before).

[V8Ian]

Isn't it amazing that some shiny bum can come up with this tripe, but can't get the use of fog lights enforced. As mentioned, what's the big deal with lights that are only used when no other traffic is present, yet fog lights, some upgraded to HID, are blinding motorists every day and night. The cynic in me suggests that not many trucks are fitted with fog lights, light bars are a different story.

[isuzurover]

...some shiny bum can come up with this tripe, ....

Wouldn't a truckie also be designated a shin bum? They sit down all day too...

Isn't the fog light thing a matter of enforcement, rather than legislation???

[Lotz-A-Landies]

hmmmm!

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/general-chat/51291d1348043532-qld-tmr-laws-led-light-bars-disconnecting-qld.jpg

[debruiser]

Doesn't it say that to be considered a pair of lights they must be a minimum of 600mm apart! That would mean that MOST people with spot lights/driving lights would be illegal! :mad:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Doesn't it say that to be considered a pair of lights they must be a minimum of 600mm apart! That would mean that MOST people with spot lights/driving lights would be illegal! :mad:No it says that "Under the ADR 13/00 requirements, the minimum distance between two lights constituting a pair is 600mm, measured from the inner edges of the illuminating surfaces. While this specific requirement does not apply to driving lamps, it is strongly recommended that the LED light bars, when fitted as pairs, should be fitted in a way that complies with the distance requirement as closely as practicable."

[Bigbjorn]

Not sure what you are trying to say?

There is no maximum height rule for lights. (as has been discussed on here before).

There was last time I looked for this in the ADR's.

[debruiser]

well that is a stupid rule.

[Disco Muppet]

So...instead of a large single bar across the front of my rack, I should get two smaller ones on either side with a gap in the middle?

[isuzurover]

There was last time I looked for this in the ADR's.

I should have specified for "additional pairs of forward facing white lights"

There are several recent threads on here which quote the relevant ADRs and state subordinate legislation.

[lambrover]

So...instead of a large single bar across the front of my rack, I should get two smaller ones on either side with a gap in the middle?


Below was posted by lotzAlandies

No it says that "Under the ADR 13/00 requirements, the minimum distance between two lights constituting a pair is 600mm, measured from the inner edges of the illuminating surfaces. While this specific requirement does not apply to driving lamps, it is strongly recommended that the LED light bars, when fitted as pairs, should be fitted in a way that complies with the distance requirement as closely as practicable."


I read that to say if LED lights are fitted in pairs there should be a gap as per the distance requirements for lights, but seeing as most LED light bars are fitted as a single unit it need not apply to this rule as it is in reference to pairs of lights not singular.

It is a bit ambiguous if you ask me.

[dullbird]

Yes,always have been.
Same goes for the wombats that have them fitted to roof or roof racks

I have roof lights for the disco on a light bar I'm not a wombat the lights are very helpful when off roading at night:)

[bussy1963]

I find it funny.

Everyone had a shot at me a few months about a headlight and driving light upgrade,

Now everyone is sooking about the LED bar lights.

Funny thing is my HID upgrade and driving lights dont stick out like LED'S bar lights will.

[mervwho]

Get used to it one and all, I know the advantages and the disadvantages of roof mounting lights and roof mounted are a nightmare to oncoming motorists.


Cheers

Merv

[V8Ian]

Wouldn't a truckie also be designated a shin bum? They sit down all day too... Unlike a sponging boofacrat, they're contributing to the economy rather than draining it.

Isn't the fog light thing a matter of enforcement, rather than legislation???
The OP is also about enforcement, of legislation of lightbars.

[bussy1963]

IAN your 100 percent on the money there.

Professional drivers contribute to the country. BOOFICRATS as you call them cost the country.

[isuzurover]

The OP is also about enforcement, of legislation of lightbars.

No, it is TMR's legislative ruling [or interpretation] on the lighting ADRs as they apply to light bars.

If you think enforcement is bad on the east coast, come [back] to WA...




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All that have one fitted to their roof rack, read.
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Where does it state in that document that you cannot fit a light bar to the front of the roof?

[Hoges]

No doubt motorcycles with dual headlights will need to have said lights 600mm apart as well:eek:;)

EDIT: What the latest ruling is really saying is that they haven't got a clue how to interpret the existing ADR with regard to light bars that would stand up in court, so wrap a piece of 2" black tape around the centre of the light and we can pretend that the law has been satisfied...

[kelvo]

If they have to be fitted in pairs, have one on the bullbar and the other on the roofrack. Said nothing about having to be fitted side-by-side.

[Graeme]

EDIT: What the latest ruling is really saying is that they haven't got a clue how to interpret the existing ADR with regard to light bars that would stand up in court, so wrap a piece of 2" black tape around the centre of the light and we can pretend that the law has been satisfied...
I fail to see how 2" of black tape satisfies a 600 mm gap that they say doesn't apply to driving lights anyway.

[isuzurover]

I fail to see how 2" of black tape satisfies a 600 mm gap that they say doesn't apply to driving lights anyway.

It doesn't, but [in their perverse, rule following way] it satisfies the rule that additional lights must be fitted in pairs.

It could have been worse, they could have ruled each led in a light bar a separate light... Thereby banning any light bar with more than 4 leds... (allowed to fit 2 pairs of additional lights in most states).

[mervwho]

No, it is TMR's legislative ruling [or interpretation] on the lighting ADRs as they apply to light bars.

Where does it state in that document that you cannot fit a light bar to the front of the roof?

Second page, first paragraph.. Fitted to the front of the vehicle...


Cheers

Merv

[Bigbjorn]

No catching up in NSW,it has been the law for many many years that lights must be fitted in pairs.It is why I never wasted my money on an LED light bar

The ADR 13 requirements for pairs mounted symetrically applies from 1991. I have a cyclops Hella searchlight mounted on my 1986 County. I have successfully argued its legality on several occasions based on these dates.

If the look-at-me turkeys can have blinding racks of lights roof mounted then I cant see what is wrong with one centrally mounted between the headlights.

[isuzurover]

Second page, first paragraph.. Fitted to the front of the vehicle...


Cheers

Merv

The front edge of the roof can be argued to also be argued as the front of the vehicle.