The time has come Puma bushes

[dullbird]

So the time has come the bushes have had it on the puma....looking at buying a press to get the buggers out:D

My question is has anyone on here poly bushed a puma yet?

I'm wondering whether the same bushes apply to the puma as the TD5.....does anyone know for sure?

[justinc]

Hi Lou, as far as I can see, all the bushes from the previous model of Defender (2002 on) are identical. (In 2002 they changed the panhard rod bushes as far as I remember.)

JC

[isuzurover]

SuperPro - The only bush to use.

Cheaper to buy from the UK apparently.

[rick130]

SuperPro - The only bush to use.

[snip]

+ onethousand :D

[dullbird]

SuperPro - The only bush to use.

Cheaper to buy from the UK apparently.

I went to supercheap to get a quote for superpro for the Disco 500bux!!! for front and back:eek:

I bought my superpros off ebay from a guy in QLD...same price as bringing a set in from the UK from what I could tell with the postage...QLD guy is $350 for front and back posted.

If they are the same as the TD5 then superpro will go in the Puma

[rick130]

It probably doesn't matter with bog stock suspension, but I'd use these ones at the chassis end of the radius arms (and I actually do, but my suspension isn't standard either :D)

Find SuperPro Parts for My Vehicle (http://www.superpro.com.au/find-superpro-parts-for-my-vehicle/part/SPF3632K)

Not the standard style ones ;) (Find SuperPro Parts for My Vehicle (http://www.superpro.com.au/find-superpro-parts-for-my-vehicle/part/SPF0206K))

[TimNZ]

I brought a 30T press to do my 110 the other weekend, in retrospect this was a bit of an overkill, but I didn't want to get stuck with the A-frame Ball Joint, (which took 18T of force according to the gauge).

Good luck with bushes, it can be a character building expirence :)

Cheers,

[dullbird]

I brought a 30T press to do my 110 the other weekend, in retrospect this was a bit of an overkill, but I didn't want to get stuck with the A-frame Ball Joint, (which took 18T of force according to the gauge).


Good luck with bushes, it can be a character building expirence :)Cheers,

Well Tim all I can say is we both have a lot of character:D which is why our cars have been polybushed for years...when we lived in the UK we only had the curb outside our house to work on the car, no garage no nothing so burning and hacking the bushes out was how it was done....

we went through this with the disco..a couple of years after getting it, to remove the original bushes...so we ARE NOT going to do it with the Puma.

we have a hoist now so we are officially posh!:D posh people dont work hard:eek: so press it is:p

[Dockstrada]

If anyone around Syd is stuck and needs something pressed I have a 100t'r laying around ;)

[Judo]

I bought a cheap 30T press ($250 delivered!) and tried it for the first time last weekend. It was fantastic for the A-frame ball joint and couldn't have done it without. (Altho a little heat also made it easier)

Didn't go so well trying to press out rubber bushes tho!! Could not get a socket to stay centred on the bush without it slipping over the edge onto the frame. Is there something I'm missing, or is it just a really tedious difficult job?

What press are you looking at buying? :)

[Blknight.aus]

same bushes,

[TimNZ]

we have a hoist now so we are officially posh!:D posh people dont work hard:eek: so press it is:p

I do like this idea of a hoist... :D




Good luck with bushes, it can be a character building expirence :)

Cheers,

Ron, I am so sorry!

Cheers,

[TimNZ]

Didn't go so well trying to press out rubber bushes tho!! Could not get a socket to stay centred on the bush without it slipping over the edge onto the frame. Is there something I'm missing, or is it just a really tedious difficult job?



On some of the bushes you can drop the bolt back in the bush, this helps keep the socket centered.

Cheers,

[Judo]

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Only just noticed this in your signature. I guess even the nerds know how much you like Puma's now. :p

[jboot51]

I bought a cheap 30T press ($250 delivered!) and tried it for the first time last weekend. It was fantastic for the A-frame ball joint and couldn't have done it without. (Altho a little heat also made it easier)

Didn't go so well trying to press out rubber bushes tho!! Could not get a socket to stay centred on the bush without it slipping over the edge onto the frame. Is there something I'm missing, or is it just a really tedious difficult job?

What press are you looking at buying? :)
I found using impact sockets the way to go as they are flat on the face your putting against the bush.
All my standard chrome sockets have a slight bevel on that face which causes the kick to one side to happen

[rick130]

I brought a 30T press to do my 110 the other weekend, in retrospect this was a bit of an overkill, but I didn't want to get stuck with the A-frame Ball Joint, (which took 18T of force according to the gauge).

[snip]

Cheers,

Somewhere between 25 and 30 ton (old school 60 ton press :D) for the one I did a few weeks back.

Went off like a 12 gauge.

[camel_landy]

Ha... I did the same & bought a press a couple of years ago. It has been paying for itself recently as I've been restoring my TVR!

Anyway, back to Puma bushes...

IMO - I'd stick to regular rubber bushes, especially if you're buying yourself a press as it'll just make things easier to replace them when they wear out again. :)

Also, to make life easier for when you have to push the bushes out again, use some copper-slip when pushing them in.

M

[LowRanger]

It probably doesn't matter with bog stock suspension, but I'd use these ones at the chassis end of the radius arms (and I actually do, but my suspension isn't standard either :D)

Find SuperPro Parts for My Vehicle (http://www.superpro.com.au/find-superpro-parts-for-my-vehicle/part/SPF3632K)

Not the standard style ones ;) (Find SuperPro Parts for My Vehicle (http://www.superpro.com.au/find-superpro-parts-for-my-vehicle/part/SPF0206K))

YEP,I agree 100% Rick
These are the bushes that I have in mine,and my suspension isn't stock either.
They have already lasted longer than genuine rubber bushes I fitted and destroyed,and these bushes still look like new.And they flex very well;)

[isuzurover]

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IMO - I'd stick to regular rubber bushes, especially if you're buying yourself a press as it'll just make things easier to replace them when they wear out again. :)
...

Have you tried Super Pro?





YEP,I agree 100% Rick
These are the bushes that I have in mine,and my suspension isn't stock either.
They have already lasted longer than genuine rubber bushes I fitted and destroyed,and these bushes still look like new.And they flex very well;)

x3

[camel_landy]

Have you tried Super Pro?
No I haven't.

I'll be sticking to rubber for the main components as I don't have a problem dropping the arms, etc... to swap the bushes out. It's also another excuse to check over the car.

However, on the TVR, I will be using poly bushes in a couple of places... Mainly the diff mounting as there isn't supposed to be much, if any movement there. The rest of the bushes on the wishbones etc, may well be rubber as there is a lot of movement and flex required at times.

FWIW - The TVR chassis has been damaged by the previous owner using poly bushes as the chassis has had to flex to compensate for the stiffness of the bush.

M

[inside]

FWIW - The TVR chassis has been damaged by the previous owner using poly bushes as the chassis has had to flex to compensate for the stiffness of the bush.
Don't compare Superpro bushes to "poly bushes". Yes they may be made of similar stuff but Superpro has actually redesigned their bush to flex extremely well when required.

There seems to be many happy Superpro users who don't rate generic poly bushes at all and this is backed by experience.

[Yorkshire_Jon]

If anyone around Syd is stuck and needs something pressed I have a 100t'r laying around ;)

Wish I'd known that a month or two ago:)

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[isuzurover]

No I haven't.

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As stated above - SuperPro bushes cannot be compared to any other poly bushes on the market.

There is no other poly bush I would contemplate fitting to a coiler.

[rick130]

Don't compare Superpro bushes to "poly bushes". Yes they may be made of similar stuff but Superpro has actually redesigned their bush to flex extremely well when required.

There seems to be many happy Superpro users who don't rate generic poly bushes at all and this is backed by experience.

and they use an appropriate durometer of material for each location, sometimes even softer than stock, not rock hard, rock hard and rock hard.

[dullbird]

Camel landy

I would also like to point out that poly bush as in the brand does have different stiffness within their range a lot of people fitted red to make them last longer the ride was harsher and it was known to crack chassis if flexing a lot

And I would just like to point out to others that we have poly bushes on the 90 have had them on there for the last mmmmm about 6/7 years and they have been superb they are however the softer of their range, the red ones are the stiffest

That said the performance of the super pro, I would only put these on now just because I think they are market leaders

[uninformed]

No I haven't.



.........FAIL :D

[isuzurover]

...the red ones are the stiffest


There is no correlation between colour and stiffness (Durometer) in polyurethane. You can make poly in any different combination of colour or durometer. SuperPro are the same colour, but use are a wide durometer range of polyurathane.

[rick130]

There is no correlation between colour and stiffness (Durometer) in polyurethane. You can make poly in any different combination of colour or durometer. SuperPro are the same colour, but use are a wide durometer range of polyurathane.


I think Lou is talking about that one particular UK brand (Polybush ?)

[dullbird]

yes that is correct Rick, like I said in my post polybush as in the brand..the red are the stiff ones the blue the medium, when people polybush in the UK they are usually talking about the brand.

although things have probably changed over the years and the case may no longer be that the colours represent the different types with in the poly range I'am talking 8/9 years ago.

[dullbird]

I can only find a super pro kit for defender 93 -02

does anyone on here have a TD5 with full superpro bushes on old than an 02 model did you use the same part numbers as the older models?

I'm sure not a lot has changed although justin did say something about the panhard bushes changed.

[LowRanger]

I can only find a super pro kit for defender 93 -02

does anyone on here have a TD5 with full superpro bushes on old than an 02 model did you use the same part numbers as the older models?

I'm sure not a lot has changed although justin did say something about the panhard bushes changed.

Lou
It depends on the chassis number what bushes you require.Here is a link to '02 onward bushes Find SuperPro Parts for My Vehicle (http://www.superpro.com.au/find-superpro-parts-for-my-vehicle/vehiclelookup/LAND-ROVER-Landrover-Defender-2002---On-Late-Defender/35-501-1979)

And here is the link to earlier bushes

Find SuperPro Parts for My Vehicle (http://www.superpro.com.au/find-superpro-parts-for-my-vehicle/vehiclelookup/LAND-ROVER-Landrover-90-110-130-Defender---County---LA---YA-Chassis-County---Defender-300TDI--LA-On---TD5-YA-On/35-243-1256)

[rick130]

Did you try SuperPro Lou ?

Find SuperPro Parts for My Vehicle (http://www.superpro.com.au/find-superpro-parts-for-my-vehicle?filterrun=true&listMake=35&listModel=501&listSeries=1979&button=Search+Now)

[edit] snap !

[dullbird]

actually no i didnt try that rick I was looking through kits on ebay...everything listed but the new defender

[justinc]

Wayne, thanks for those links, just a thought they say YA chassis VIN, that is a MY2000 build, and IIRC they are still the same as XA and 1A (2001). Change is in 2002 like they say, so should then be a LATE number 1A eg 98****or all 2A VIN then.

JC

[100inch]

Pardon my question but are those SuperPro bushes really this good? Better than OE? I had very bad experience with aftermarket bushes so far...
m

[LowRanger]

Wayne, thanks for those links, just a thought they say YA chassis VIN, that is a MY2000 build, and IIRC they are still the same as XA and 1A (2001). Change is in 2002 like they say, so should then be a LATE number 1A eg 98****or all 2A VIN then.

JC

There are a few other misnomers as well,which is not uncommon when looking for LandRover parts.They list '93 LA chassis 300Tdi.well mine is a '94 LA chassis 200Tdi so I guess I miss out :D

[isuzurover]

Pardon my question but are those SuperPro bushes really this good? Better than OE? I had very bad experience with aftermarket bushes so far...
m

Yes.

I made the mistake of fitting a mix of OE and Super Pro. The SP were still like new while the OE were completely buggered. Now I run only SuperPro.

If you look at their design they are very cleverly made. Not only do they flex better they also last longer (IME).

[rick130]

Pardon my question but are those SuperPro bushes really this good? Better than OE? I had very bad experience with aftermarket bushes so far...
m

I agree with Ben.

I don't go over the top recommending many things, I'm a realist and see things for the compromises everything inevitably has, but the Super Pro bushes are very good.

Not perfect, some of the steel bushes they use inside the PU bush as a spacer can sometimes be not quite correct in sizing and so I've been known to bodgy things by using shim stock to reduce ID's where a bolt goes through, etc. but the basic design of the bush is far and away better than the OE ones IMO.

[dullbird]

well what a job Ian started changing the bushes today and didnt have much success pressing out the radias arm bushes the 30ton press just wasn't cutting the mustard and he had to drill them and saw them out by hand!!! what a pig of a job.

[Gibs]

He means like this: Polybush Grades (http://www.polybush.co.uk/polybush-grades)

[dullbird]

Aaa hummmm??? He?

[Gibs]

Aaa hummmm??? He?



I would also like to point out that poly bush as in the brand does have different stiffness within their range a lot of people fitted red to make them last longer the ride was harsher and it was known to crack chassis if flexing a lot

You Sir. :D

In the types Polybush has in grades, I just gave missing link.....and no I don't mean me, OK! :)

[isuzurover]

You Sir. :D

In the types Polybush has in grades, I just gave missing link.....and no I don't mean me, OK! :)

Who is going to break it to him???

Maybe you need to get inc to change your username to pink font Lou... :D

[dullbird]

Thats actually not a bad Idea...hahahahah