Discovery 3 Lemon - Landrover Australia

[NQ Disco]

Hi guys, we bought a D3 second hand last year through a dealership. When its on the road its great.. It just seems to spend more time in the workshop then out thats all. We took out warranty through a third party offered by the dealership and its not worth a pinch a ****. We are now at the point where the car needs another few thousand spent on it again..

We are now looking at writing to Landrover Australia. (not that it will probably get us anywhere) We paid $49400 last year in August. The dealership will only offer 30k now.

Anyway, here is a list of the stuff thats gone wrong in the last year.. Some of these things are wear and tear, but for 50k i expected a lot more and to do a lot less to the vehicle.

# Park Brake fault – fixed when we bought car
# Lost centre cap on tyre rim – replaced before bought car
# Flat Battery – three days after getting it home
# Low coolant light coming up on dash – took it in to be checked a few times – in the end they adjusted the sensor
# car shuttering – replaced front control arms/bushes and had rotors machined
# tow hitch loose – had it looked at and no fix had to shove foam in gap so it doesn’t bounce as much whilst towing
# car still shuttering – needed to replace tyres as they had bubbles (within three months of buying car) Tyre company scathed the dealership for letting the vehicle go with such poor quality tread.
# blinker noise stopped working – fixed… was something electrical??
# overtaking truck when car suddenly lost all acceleration – had to replace the fuel system as it overheated and blew bearings etc… apparently a recall had already been done some time ago to prevent this from happening
# fuel leaking all up back of car – replaced faulty fuel filter
# RHF door not locking all the time – replaced door lock actuator
# RHR boot strut split – needs replacing still
# RHR brake light – replaced bulb
# Lost another centre cap on tyre rim (car only ever does highway driving) – needs replacing still
# Automatic gear box clunking from 2nd to 1st – found no fault. Landrover Townsville recommends ZF Pan & Filter kit to be installed (not yet done)
# Air Suspension fault keeps lighting up on dash – needs new air suspension compressor, relay and hose (not yet done)
# RHR brake light – replaced bulb again
# travelling long distances (Townsville to Rockhampton) air-conditioning fails to get cold enough (hasn’t been looked at yet) fine normally


Any suggestions welcome.

Thanks
NQ Disco

[goingbush]

Apart from the tyre problem sounds like typical Landrover ownership.
well at least your not on your own.

Toyota Landcruiser 200 Series- "Oh what a lemon......" (http://www.ohwhatalemon.com)

[LGM]

Sorry to hear of your issues on what should be a good vehicle if it has been looked after. All really depends on the kms done and the way the vehicle was operated and maintained. In your case may it sounds like the vehicle may not have been maintained!

If you believe that the dealer is not doing the right thing then you are best to tell them nicely and at the same time seek some advice to your rights. You can go to 'Fairtrading QLD' and find out if you have a claim and what recourse you have.

It may also be worth checking out the Consumer Law website The Australian Consumer Law - Homepage (http://www.consumerlaw.gov.au).

The other thing that your issues scream to me is buyer beware!

[justinc]

Sounds like a poorly maintained early life or just had a hard time, most of those faults are relatively 'minor', the trans however is a common modification and needs doing whatever D3 you buy if not already done. I would respectfully suggest that you will possibly get nowhere with fair trading, as it is in the end a used vehicle and has limited warranties. The aftermarket warranty is as you suggest sometimes not worth it - got to read the fine print thoroughly with those:mad:

Sorry you are having a rough time of it, but eventually you will get it done right and begin enjoying it :)

JC

[Redback]

I'd say the main problem is the dealer, they have obviously not looked at the car properly and just released it for sale.

I would have thought new tyres, battery, control arm bushes and full service would have been something they would do before leaving the yard, sounds to me this wasn't done, I would say with all confidence that nothing was done at all.

Baz.

[CaverD3]

# Park Brake fault – fixed when we bought car

It just needs adjustment procedure.

# Lost centre cap on tyre rim – replaced before bought car
# Flat Battery – three days after getting it home

Assume this was replaced by dealer?

# Low coolant light coming up on dash – took it in to be checked a few times – in the end they adjusted the sensor

Known issue needs new coolant bottle.

# car shuttering – replaced front control arms/bushes and had rotors machined

Dealer not diagnosing properly.

# tow hitch loose – had it looked at and no fix had to shove foam in gap so it doesn’t bounce as much whilst towing

Get a Mitch Hitch.

# car still shuttering – needed to replace tyres as they had bubbles (within three months of buying car) Tyre company scathed the dealership for letting the vehicle go with such poor quality tread.

Should be covered under statutary warranty.

# blinker noise stopped working – fixed… was something electrical??

Probably wiring to earth.

# overtaking truck when car suddenly lost all acceleration – had to replace the fuel system as it overheated and blew bearings etc… apparently a recall had already been done some time ago to prevent this from happening

Known issue Faulty batch of HP pumps LR should replace FOC. Get the dealer to contact LR contact them yourself and push for re-embursment.

# fuel leaking all up back of car – replaced faulty fuel filter

Not fitted correctly at service? or could be faulty connector.

# RHF door not locking all the time – replaced door lock actuator

Not unusual had one replaced but could also be wiring between body and door.

# RHR boot strut split – needs replacing still

Spit or come off the body?

# RHR brake light – replaced bulb

Normal.

# Lost another centre cap on tyre rim (car only ever does highway driving) – needs replacing still

:angel: silicon them on.

# Automatic gear box clunking from 2nd to 1st – found no fault. Landrover Townsville recommends ZF Pan & Filter kit to be installed (not yet done)

Change ATF and fit the pan or just change the ATF first to see if it helps.

# Air Suspension fault keeps lighting up on dash – needs new air suspension compressor, relay and hose (not yet done)

Not unusual had to replace mine. New compressor model needs hoses.

# RHR brake light – replaced bulb again

Usual Get good quality or OEM ones.

# travelling long distances (Townsville to Rockhampton) air-conditioning fails to get cold enough (hasn’t been looked at yet) fine normally

Probably needs a re-gas.

Sound like a very poor dealersip.
Did they sell you an Alliance Warrnty or Allianz? Allianz should be OK. There is still a statutary warranty that applies regardless (six months I think?)

[jonesy63]

Regarding recall for HPFP, there were a couple - but make sure the latest one was performed, as earlier ones didn't fix the problem:
Land Rover (http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/997270)

Also make sure the brake hose recall work was done - you should see a trombone-shaped hose if completed, like this:
DISCO3.CO.UK Photo Gallery - Brake recall August 2009/new vacuum line (http://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/displayimage.php?album=3216&pos=2)

[CaverD3]

Rob you mean " if not competed like this"?

I am getting thirsty. :D Pub lunch soon? :angel:

[jonesy63]

Caver - have you already been to the pub? :D
If completed, you will see the trombone-shaped hose... what I wrote was right.

Good call on the pub lunch - it's been too long! Maybe make it more central?

[trobbo]

I note a number of the issues are on the right hand side of the car - wonder if their is a reason for this.

I sold my d3 about 9 months ago because of servicing costs. 12k in 2 years for known issues. suspension compressor, control arms, steering rack, ball joints, transmission shudder, brakes, reverse sensor buzzer, park brake squeel etc.

just because they are known doesnt make it ok.

like you i think they are one of the best vehicles around when they are going. currently saving for a d4 with factory warranty.

[NQ Disco]

Thanks for the replies guys..

The dealership have been ok on most things and have given us a loan car most times. It is a huge inconvenience more than anything.. We live about 70km from the dealership and my wife takes the car in and has to swap over two car seats every time. Nothing is ever speedy and most of the time its a whole day up to a week we are without our vehicle. Have had to cancel trips away for some of these issues.

The fuel system was covered under Landrover Aust as a recall.. been done but obviously it faulted again..

Yes the first few things on the list were covered by the dealer.. Under the statutory 3 month warranty. Tyres were not obviously.

The warranty is with AWN. The landrover dealership said these were the best and everything up to a value would be covered. Told us servicing is every 12k.. Turns out its every 10 for the warranty. (Service Agent / Qual Mechanic only)

Previous owner was a lady driver apparently. Got hold of them and rang them to see if they had any dramas.. Nothing extreme to report.. All services were done at a Mechanic.

It certainly has left a sour taste in my mouth, and i doubt ill ever own another Landrover again.. I still maintain.. Absolutely great car when its on the road.. Just spends way to much time in the workshop..

[seano87]

Oh. Australian Warranty Network... I hate to say it, but you may as well not have a "warranty" at all. You may well find out for yourself its not worth the paper its written on. Been there done that.

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[seano87]

Oh. Australian Warranty Network... I hate to say it, but you may as well not have a "warranty" at all. You may well find out for yourself its not worth the paper its written on. Been there done that.

From their own documentation - (from their extension of new car warranty policy no less, so should be their best product) ... AWN has absolute discretion as to whether it will or will not pay a claim that falls within the Warranty Terms and Conditions and Limitations.

Uhhh, so they can just not pay a claim even though it should be covered, because they don't want to. Brilliant.

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[MR LR]

I absolutely hate reading about all these issues and I can relate and feel very sorry for anyone with them as it does tend to burn you!!

Aside from the warranty issues and recalls there is not a lot that can be blamed on anything other than you as the buyer not making a proper evaluation of the car (and yes I know it's practically impossible, however with a keen eye you can pick them). If the car was sold with a roadworthy cert then many of these issues should have been remedied (and I would have thought for that price they should be!!!)

However if the car is sold in "as-is" condition there is nothing you can do to put any blame back on the dealer, sorry to be telling you that, that's just the world of used car sales and it's the main t&c.

However if the dealer has any respect for their customers they will help as much as possible, I know we would have

Will

[CaverD3]

Depending on who serviced, the issues may not have been picked up.
Dealer sold you a very poor product regarding the warranty.
Why are some dealers selling anything other than an Allianz/LR warranty, especially in Queensland?

[lpj]

Can I ask how many k's the car has, and was all correct servicing carried out?

Also, out of all the D4's you looked at, what was about this one that swayed your decision to purchase?

[Phoenix12]

I believe in getting a "comprehensive" independant assessment undertaken on any vehicle I purchase, (if its second hand and / or out of warranty period).

I recently had one done for a RRSport I bought from a wholesaler in Melbourne.....a good 300 odd bucks worth of assessment....but it gave me peace of mind and really did highlight the faults of the vehicle.

A bit late this time.....but good advice for all I reckon :)

Cheers and I hope it gets better !

[NQ Disco]

Wow - my fault for buying the car apparently.. :confused:

All service history was in the book.. serviced on time and at the scheduled intervals.

Car was bought through Landrover Townsville. Road worthy certificate and we also got an independent mechanic to also look at it.

Still ****s me how the tyres passed and also the battery.. Anyway.. Thats NQ for you.

As for options.. There are not a whole heap of Discovery's for sale in this region.. We test drove every wagon and the disco for its features, safety and comfort came out on top. We paid just under 50k. The vehicle had 78k on the clock. We have just cracked 105 i think. All of our driving is highway driving.. Town is 50km before we have to slow down to town driving.. Done a few 2 & 3000km longer trips in it as well. It has had a **** easy life and we baby this car as it cost 50 bloody thousand dollars.

I read heaps of reviews and the dealership assured me that they are all just stories.. rarely something goes wrong with them.. Wish i had of got them to put that in writing.

Anyway, no use me bitching on here.. Im sure some of you have great experiences, others seem to want to spend money all the time.

I hope someone steals it and burns it to the ground.. :D

unfortunately wont be buying LR again.

[connock]

I hope someone steals it and burns it to the ground.. :D

unfortunately wont be buying LR again

Not a good story at all. You could just **** this car off and get another lr and be quite happy, you have just as much luck in buying a lemon Tojo or nissan handgranade these days any how.

Good luck what ever you decide

connock

[CaverD3]

It is untimately buyer beware in purchsing a second hand vehicle. Sounds like you did your research on the vehicle. But you did not read the T&Cs on the warranty.
You were unlucky picking up one which has had that many problems but may have been serviced by a mech who did not know the vehicle.
Had you asked on here earlier you would have received a lot of advice of what to look for and which warranty to get.
As you are keeping it for the moment (assuming it doesn't get flamed ;) ) stay in touch on here and join DISCO4.COM - Index (http://www.disco4.com) . you will find there is a lot of help.
Hoping the issues are fixed for a while. :D

[CaverD3]

Not a good story at all. You could just pi** this car off and get another lr and be quite happy, you have just as much luck in buying a lemon Tojo or nissan handgranade these days any how.


I bought a black Golf Diesel which turned out to be a decidedly shade of light yellow. :mad:

Software, new turbo, new cltch pack in DSG, new DSG box. Still shuddered on hills and belched smoke. I told them it was an engine management fault right from the begining. Dealer went to bat for me and i got it replaced. :BigThumb:

Saw the old one being driven by VW head tech. Asked him if it was fixed. He said they replaced the ECU and all was fine. :angel:

New one was fine and great fun. Now gone but I have a 3.0L D4. :D

[NQ Disco]

Have to agree with the comment of the other makes..
Reliable cars in 2012 - is there such a thing?

Seriously stuck on where to go next..

[seano87]

Have to agree with the comment of the other makes..
Reliable cars in 2012 - is there such a thing?

Seriously stuck on where to go next..

Get the issues fixed properly, then enjoy the vehicle for what it is - a bloody good car? The joy it can bring you once its sorted will outstrip pretty much else on the road?

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[connock]

Get the issues fixed properly, then enjoy the vehicle for what it is - a bloody good car? The joy it can bring you once its sorted will outstrip pretty much else on the road?

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Yep have to agree.

[trobbo]

getting thing fixed properly still doesnt provide a permanent (ie 300,000 km +) fix for things like suspension compressor, control arms, steering rack, ball joints, & transmission shudder.

These are all costly items to repair and are issues that will recur regularly.

[roamer]

getting thing fixed properly still doesnt provide a permanent (ie 300,000 km +) fix for things like suspension compressor, control arms, steering rack, ball joints, & transmission shudder.

These are all costly items to repair and are issues that will recur regularly.

X2

Also shockies and air bags (changed in 50000k)
ball joints have been done twice in 65000k

and even normal service part prices (pollen ,fuel, brakes,auto service) are over the top

Always serviced at dealer so should be service correctly

These cars are expensive to own and high maintenance /repair even when well serviced., and new

And expensive extended warranty (D4s are in the highest rate) does not cover diagnostic costs,

Welcome to the world of Land Rover, NQ Disco, they are a great drive,
but it is gunna cost ya, you have not been ripped off

[ozscott]

I absolutely hate reading about all these issues and I can relate and feel very sorry for anyone with them as it does tend to burn you!!

Aside from the warranty issues and recalls there is not a lot that can be blamed on anything other than you as the buyer not making a proper evaluation of the car (and yes I know it's practically impossible, however with a keen eye you can pick them). If the car was sold with a roadworthy cert then many of these issues should have been remedied (and I would have thought for that price they should be!!!)

However if the car is sold in "as-is" condition there is nothing you can do to put any blame back on the dealer, sorry to be telling you that, that's just the world of used car sales and it's the main t&c.

However if the dealer has any respect for their customers they will help as much as possible, I know we would have

Will
These problems may all have developed in the time he had the vehicle... Most or all are known d3/4 issues. The purchaser cannot be blamed.
Cheers

[ozscott]

Have to agree with the comment of the other makes..
Reliable cars in 2012 - is there such a thing?

Seriously stuck on where to go next..

Yep there is. Old and a bit squeaky it may be but the Pajeros are probably the most reliable trucks around. Not good value as an. Exeed but very good lesser models is td auto form

Cheers

[NQ Disco]

If anyone wants to buy it by all means make me an offer.

I take my hat off to all you Landrover fanatics.. I dead set think you are ****ing crazy to spend so much on a vehicle and keep spending money to keep the bloody thing out of the workshop and on the road.

:angel:

[jonesy63]

Whereas you spent all your money on your D3 and never bothered pushing the dealer to fix the problems! Who's crazy?

[NQ Disco]

The only money we have spent is on the door actuator.

We still have to get the rear boot split, air compressor / hoses / relay fixed..

Also the auto service.

Dealer has been reasonable with it.

At the end of the day, someone (us, dealer, LR Australia) has to spend money on it..

Seems as though you guys all think that this is acceptable.

[manic]

yep... every second hand car I have bought has needed some work, people sell when they start having issues - and no they havent all been land rovers... the issues left for you were mostly minor, and by the sounds of it you have paid hardly anything to resolve them.

Now that you have it back up to good service I would give it another chance and seek out a well reviewed land rover mechanic for future servicing.

[BobD]

In my experience the more expensive the car the more that goes wrong with it and the more expensive it is to keep on the road. This goes for BMW, both cars and motor bikes, VW, Landrover, which are the ones I have experience with, and other brands that I have observed.

I sold a 2007 VW Multivan TDI that I purchased new ($85000), to buy the second hand 2010 D4 that I now have. The VW was by far the most troublesome car I have ever had in over 40 years of driving, both during the warranty period and after it. When I sold it I took $2500 of the negotiated price because it needed a new DPF at 110,000km and the guy that was buying it was very good and didn't haggle on the price. This was despite paying more than $3000 in the previous 6 months for an engine management problem that had the car permanently in limp home mode and finally turned out to be leaking turbo gaskets, new door trim for $900 because the interior door handle failed and many other faults including a new auto transmission at 105,000km, for which I paid for the cost of fitting but VW paid for the transmission (it was 5,000km outside the warranty).

I couldn't even list here the serious and major faults in my 2006 BMW K1200 GT motorbike that I had to get fixed under warranty, one of which tried to kill me and took BMW over 3 months to redesign to come up with a fix since it was a world wide problem. This was on a $34000 motorbike.

I wouldn't knock LR too hard from my experience.

Bob

[ozscott]

Vw has very well documented reliability issues. BMW has their share for sure but vw takes the cake. Lr are ok. If you want reliability pretty much guaranteed by a high end Honda, and unfortunately Honda don't make a genuine 4wd.

Cheers

[chuck]

My BIL has just bought a 2009 D4D Prado.
The injectors had to be replaced at 110,000km
They were not replaced under warranty & cost $5000 to replace.

I recently sold a 2012 Prado & can tell you that on Prado Point they are having just as many problems with less support from Toyota.

These Prado are no where near the technology of a D3 2.7 let alone a D4 3.0I think they are up to the 4th incarnation of injectors and they are still having problems.

I have a mate with a 2009 200 series that had his passenger window winder fail while still under 3 years & 100,000km and Toyota made him pay for it saying it was a were & tear item.

I can tell you from personal experience that a 2012 Prado with all of the ARB fruit does not drive anywhere near as well as a D4 despite being very close in price.

Cheers

[~Rich~]

I was speaking to a Toyota mechanic and quizzed him re the 200 series V8 diesels oil appetite - he put it down to just a vehicle characteristic not a fault!
Oh what a feeling.

[NavyDiver]

In my experience the more expensive the car the more that goes wrong with it and the more expensive it is to keep on the road. This goes for BMW, both cars and motor bikes, VW, Landrover, which are the ones I have experience with, and other brands that I have observed.

I sold a 2007 VW Multivan TDI that I purchased new ($85000), to buy the second hand 2010 D4 that I now have. The VW was by far the most troublesome car I have ever had in over 40 years of driving, both during the warranty period and after it. When I sold it I took $2500 of the negotiated price because it needed a new DPF at 110,000km and the guy that was buying it was very good and didn't haggle on the price. This was despite paying more than $3000 in the previous 6 months for an engine management problem that had the car permanently in limp home mode and finally turned out to be leaking turbo gaskets, new door trim for $900 because the interior door handle failed and many other faults including a new auto transmission at 105,000km, for which I paid for the cost of fitting but VW paid for the transmission (it was 5,000km outside the warranty).

I couldn't even list here the serious and major faults in my 2006 BMW K1200 GT motorbike that I had to get fixed under warranty, one of which tried to kill me and took BMW over 3 months to redesign to come up with a fix since it was a world wide problem. This was on a $34000 motorbike.

I wouldn't knock LR too hard from my experience.

Bob

BMW K100rs saved my life at least once. story needed on your K1200 GT:D

Maintance is important. buyer beware is not advice to be taken lightly.

Having a high KM Disco suites me. Paying to keep it reliable and bring me home is fine by me. Being stuck is not. Fix or forget it. Gosh I miss my bike:( Now were can we put bike yarns to keep this thread on track?:D

[BobD]

BMW K100rs saved my life at least once. story needed on your K1200 GT:D

Maintance is important. buyer beware is not advice to be taken lightly.

Having a high KM Disco suites me. Paying to keep it reliable and bring me home is fine by me. Being stuck is not. Fix or forget it. Gosh I miss my bike:( Now were can we put bike yarns to keep this thread on track?:D

Weakestlink, I will have to PM you with the info since it is off thread and not very interesting to most LR drivers!! FYI, I now have a K1600GT, which is great but also has its funny quirks. Burns oil like a 200 series at only 5,000km, however. Another known world wide problem.

Bob

[NQ Disco]

I have had bugger all cars really..
last one was a navara d40.. Few problems with it too..
previously i had a 75 series cruiser.. had it for 10 years. Replaced a radiator and a speedo cable. Thats it.. It was 6yr old when i bought it. Back then i was doing a fair bit of hunting so it saw some a bit of country as well.
Missus had a little suzuki liana. Bought it new and not one thing went wrong with it.. Great little car.. Sold the both of them to get a family car (nissan)
Moved and stopped hunting.. have family fly to us now so went a 7 seat wagon.

Have had other second hand vehicles before all of this, and they were even low cost to maintain and things rarely went wrong.

Seems we are in the workshop every couple of months with the Discovery 3.

Seems reliability has gone out the window with all new vehicles.

[Ean Austral]

I have had bugger all cars really..
last one was a navara d40.. Few problems with it too..
previously i had a 75 series cruiser.. had it for 10 years. Replaced a radiator and a speedo cable. Thats it.. It was 6yr old when i bought it. Back then i was doing a fair bit of hunting so it saw some a bit of country as well.
Missus had a little suzuki liana. Bought it new and not one thing went wrong with it.. Great little car.. Sold the both of them to get a family car (nissan)
Moved and stopped hunting.. have family fly to us now so went a 7 seat wagon.

Have had other second hand vehicles before all of this, and they were even low cost to maintain and things rarely went wrong.

Seems we are in the workshop every couple of months with the Discovery 3.

Seems reliability has gone out the window with all new vehicles.

Could have to do with the fact that nearly all new cars are full of electonic gadgets from Terrian Response to Electronic diffs. Each make/model seems to have a variation of these but they seem to be a high cost item so when problems occur the cost's are never cheap then add the fact that you now need some form of software to work on these vehicle's so the costs increase as your local garage generally cant do the work needed to fault find and fix the issue.

The cars these days seem to be made so the driver who has never even seen the small gear lever can jump in and is lead to believe they can compete in the Paris-Dakar rally because of all this gadgetry.

Hope that your faults get sorted and the car delivers you some driving pleasure from then on.

Cheers Ean

[CaverD3]

Seems reliability has gone out the window with all new vehicles.

Perception about right. Modern vehicles are complex and a need a lot of maintainance. A lot more can go wrong.

You can't just change the oil and forget them any more.

[AnD3rew]

[FONT="Arial"]My BIL has just bought a 2009 D4D Prado.
The injectors had to be replaced at 110,000km
They were not replaced under warranty & cost $5000 to replace.

I recently sold a 2012 Prado & can tell you that on Prado Point they are having just as many problems with less support from Toyota.

These Prado are no where near the technology of a D3 2.7 let alone a D4 3.0I think they are up to the 4th incarnation of injectors and they are still having problems.

I have a mate with a 2009 200 series that had his passenger window winder fail while still under 3 years & 100,000km and Toyota made him pay for it saying it was a were & tear item.


I know a guy whose Prado diesel threw a piston outside of Karratha recently, Toyota did pay, but he did discover that they are seeing a few of them. And yes there was a Toyota dealer in Karratha, but because of the volume of mining work it took them a couple of weeks to get to his car.

When he returned he had to spend several thousand replacing the injectors and Toyota wouldnt help with that.

[ozscott]

Did it throw a rod because it hydraulicised from water ingress, given the problems with the injectors? If so he did well with the new motor.

Cheers

[AnD3rew]

Did it throw a rod because it hydraulicised from water ingress, given the problems with the injectors? If so he did well with the new motor.

Cheers

Don't know the answer to that, but there was definitely some information that Toyota was seeing a few of the same issues.

[NQ Disco]

Now the air conditioner isnt working.. Fans dont even work..

Seriously.. This car is a total lemon

[~Rich~]

Perhaps this vehicle was a victim of the Qld floods?

[Graeme]

Now the air conditioner isnt working.. Fans dont even work..Is it just a dead relay?

[camel_landy]

Silly question... But...

The 'Dealer'; Was it a Landy 'Specialist', regular car lot or a fully franchised Land Rover main dealer??

M