2013 D4 Information

[JayBee75]

The details continue to filter through for the 2013 D4.

Highlights are:

Digital radio
3.0l detuned (which we suspected)
Black highlights and black rims - I like!
Leather upgrade available
8 speed

Here are some artcles, I am sure there is more to come but overall seems positive?

Land Rover Discovery tweaked for 2013 - IOL Motoring | IOL.co.za (http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/cars/land-rover/land-rover-discovery-tweaked-for-2013-1.1395297)

2013 Land Rover Discovery 4 was officially unveiled (http://www.inautonews.com/2013-land-rover-discovery-4-was-officially-unveiled)

2013 Land Rover Discovery Announced Ahead Of Australian Debut | Reviews | Prices | Australian specifications (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/55143/2013-land-rover-discovery-gets-new-diesel-engine-line-up)

Cheers
JB

[Basil135]

MORE options??? :eek:

This is just going to make it so much harder.

Mind you, the easy decision is the motor. For me, it will be the 185 killer wasps... :D

[DiscoDavey]

Black Pack with 19" wheels costs $3,900 RRP
Includes:

Black grille vanes and grille surround
Black fender vent
Black door handles & mirror caps
Black "Land Rover" bonnet and tailgate DISCOVERY 4 scripts with no engine or derivative badge for 'stealth style'
Privacy Glass
19" 7-split spoke black painted wheel
20" 5-spoke design available for more $$
Only available on SE, HSE & V8.

I like the look (at least what I imagine it will look like)

[DC1]

Black Pack with 19" wheels costs $3,900 RRP
Includes:

Black grille vanes and grille surround
Black fender vent
Black door handles & mirror caps
Black "Land Rover" bonnet and tailgate DISCOVERY 4 scripts with no engine or derivative badge for 'stealth style'
Privacy Glass
19" 7-split spoke black painted wheel
20" 5-spoke design available for more $$

Only available on SE, HSE & V8.

I like the look (at least what I imagine it will look like)

Not sure I see the value in that. There are plenty of other useful options I would chose first over what is essentially a cosmetic options.

Now the basic specs are out, the question everyone wants to know - the new pricing!

Will be interesting. The MY13 VW Touareg just put in heaps of options as standard for not that much more coin. The previous owners would be fairly disappointed - air suspension is one of those now standard features.

For the Touareg:
The price of the range-topping 180kW V6 TDI model has increased by $1000 to $78,990 ($83,990 for the 4XMotion version), but Ms Koeckler contends that customers get around $15,000 worth of extras as standard, including new 20-inch alloy wheels and air suspension.

“As it is a big wheel, we are putting air suspension as standard into the V6 models just to make sure the driver and passengers are still comfortable.

“We make it available to make the product more attractive, and you sum up all the option prices from the current MY12 model and it comes to $10,000 or $15,000.”

Air suspension was previously a $6K option!

Cheers

Dan

[jonesy63]

Just looked up their pricing and 4XMOTION is only available on the $99k+ model. So unless they throw that in next year, we're comparing SUV pricing to a proper 4x4.

[discojools]

I wonder if the 155kw version has the option of smaller wheels

[DC1]

Just looked up their pricing and 4XMOTION is only available on the $99k+ model. So unless they throw that in next year, we're comparing SUV pricing to a proper 4x4.

No, the 4XMOTION is $5K over the same 4-MOTION. There are now only three cars - 150TDI, V6TDI (180kw) and V6TDI with 4XMOTION.

Besides, I wouldn't compare the Disco with the Touareg. I only posted the Touareg example to show what one manufacturer did in terms of "upgrades" with such a minimal cost. $1,000 price rise for such a massive increase in standard offering is quite good.

Cheers

Dan

[scarry]

I wonder if the 155kw version has the option of smaller wheels

That is wishful thinking:)
Brakes will be same as MY12 3.0l spec,so Gordons 18's will probably fit,but as for 17's,you will have to dream about them:(

[roamer]

Not sure I see the value in that. There are plenty of other useful options I would chose first over what is essentially a cosmetic options.

Now the basic specs are out, the question everyone wants to know - the new pricing!

Will be interesting. The MY13 VW Touareg just put in heaps of options as standard for not that much more coin. The previous owners would be fairly disappointed - air suspension is one of those now standard features.

For the Touareg:
The price of the range-topping 180kW V6 TDI model has increased by $1000 to $78,990 ($83,990 for the 4XMotion version), but Ms Koeckler contends that customers get around $15,000 worth of extras as standard, including new 20-inch alloy wheels and air suspensio


“As it is a big wheel, we are putting air suspension as standard into the V6 models just to make sure the driver and passengers are still comfortable.

“We make it available to make the product more attractive, and you sum up all the option prices from the current MY12 model and it comes to $10,000 or $15,000.”

Air suspension was previously a $6K option!

Cheers

Dan


Yeah the new Touareg is a real contender for my next ride :wasntme:

[PeterOZ]

de-tuned 3.0L engine WTF???

Don't like the sound of that!!

what is the rationale behind that? Too many turbo issues?

[SBD4]

de-tuned 3.0L engine WTF???

Don't like the sound of that!!

what is the rationale behind that? Too many turbo issues?

same engine, two variants, detuned one replaces the 2.7L in the S, the "tuned" one goes in the SE and HSE.

Nothing to do with mech issues. It means they can have a smaller parts inventory and use the same engine across more models.

[PeterOZ]

Thanks mate.

De-tuned or tuned version LOL no brainer!!

But will be keeping my 07 D3 SE TDV6 for a couple more years yet. Thinking of getting a superchips re-map to make it a bit more drivable.

[SBD4]

Thanks mate.

De-tuned or tuned version LOL no brainer!!

But will be keeping my 07 D3 SE TDV6 for a couple more years yet. Thinking of getting a superchips re-map to make it a bit more drivable.

yeah, I figured you'd just skipped a little info in the articles.

Speaking of remaps, I guess there will be new market for "re-tuning" the de-tuned 3.0L back up to spec or better!

[CaverD3]

Apparently the detuned one requires more than tuning. Different injectors and inlet manifold i think.

[SBD4]

Yeah, I'd imagine that they would have to make it harder than just doing a remap - They wouldn't sell any SE's or HSE's otherwise!;)

[CaverD3]

The full power 3.0L needs to be bench mapped as no one has got past the Bosch anti-mapping software.
Interesting though that the new Full Fat will have an uprated 3.0L TDV6 available.
The 3.0L has been aftermarket mapped to 720Nm. :)

[JayBee75]

From what I can remember thre are a few of the guys on the forum with 2013's on order, deliver Jan onwards.

My dealer yesterday could only give a ball park figure for the SD and said LR have not released pricing. The sales manager is following up with LR to try to be able to quote me, however I cannot understand how the guys who have 2013 cars on order know what they are paying, or have been able to negotiate a price?

Any help appreciated

Thanks
Jonathan.

[jon3950]

I ordered my 2013 model at the end of July. Pricing was all based on the 2012 model prices. Maybe as we are getting closer to the release date they would be less inclined to do this.

Cheers,
Jon

[BenD4]

I ordered mine on the 21.6.12, contract is signed stating MY13 so I can only assume the dealer either was given pricing, told there would be little to no change or took the risk to get the sale.

[DC1]

I ordered my 2013 model at the end of July. Pricing was all based on the 2012 model prices. Maybe as we are getting closer to the release date they would be less inclined to do this.

Cheers,
Jon


I ordered mine on the 21.6.12, contract is signed stating MY13 so I can only assume the dealer either was given pricing, told there would be little to no change or took the risk to get the sale.

Pretty sure your contract will also say that the price can change if the manufacturers recommended retail price changes before delivery. So even if they are "basing" the pricing off the 2012 pricing, if the MY13 has an increase they can pass this on. You would probably then have the option to rescind the order.

Cheers

Dan

[jon3950]

Pretty sure your contract will also say that the price can change if the manufacturers recommended retail price changes before delivery. So even if they are "basing" the pricing off the 2012 pricing, if the MY13 has an increase they can pass this on. You wouldn't probably then have the option to rescind the order.

Cheers

Dan

True, but if it does change I can cancel the order. Given my current circumstances and history with this dealer (I've done it twice before without a problem) I'm prepared to take that risk to get the vehicle I want, when I want it.

But you're right, anything could happen.

Cheers,
Jon

[DC1]

True, but if it does change I can cancel the order.

Sorry, I meant "would" be able to cancel the order. Fixed my post.

The standard motor vehicle purchase contract is fairly well weighted in favour of the dealer, but yes being able to cancel an order if the price changes is at least one of the good things in favour of the purchaser.

Either way, at least you have one on order so pretty much good to go. Now the wait.

Cheers

Dan

[Family Traveller]

I'm hoping if anything, once the pricing comes in, it get a better deal.... :)

[BenD4]

I'm sure a price change will get me as I am waiting to see details on the new options. If I change anything I am sure they will want to requote.

As you said they do have the right to review the pricing should LRA increase RRP but that then leaves me with an out as does a delivery date past the contract date of 30.12.12, which it looks like it will be now.

Was originally told delivery would be mid to late November but I excepted the 30day variance when they updated me back in July. Told them I wouldn't except an additional 90days on top again like they tried to do a few weeks before the release.

[TerryO]

I was told by a LR dealer yesterday that the average price increase for MY13 Disco's will be a $1000 above similar spec MY12 vehicles.

That puts a base model 3.0l eight speed at $1,000 above a 2.7 six speed.

As I said months ago when others were predicting $90k plus prices for the entry level Disco that they are unlikely to have massive increases in the base model price or they would lose out big time on market share at the lower end of the market, so the $1,000 increase sounds about right. Imagine the further discounts on the remaining 2.7's if that is confirmed soon.

The dealer also said that there was six speed Disco's with dealer delivery dates after the first batch of eight speed models are due to start arriving.

Time will tell.

Cheers,
Terry

[JayBee75]

I was told by a LR dealer yesterday that the average price increase for MY13 Disco's will be a $1000 above similar spec MY12 vehicles.

That puts a base model 3.0l eight speed at $1,000 above a 2.7 six speed.

As I said months ago when others were predicting $90k plus prices for the entry level Disco that they are unlikely to have massive increases in the base model price or they would lose out big time on market share at the lower end of the market, so the $1,000 increase sounds about right. Imagine the further discounts on the remaining 2.7's if that is confirmed soon.

The dealer also said that there was six speed Disco's with dealer delivery dates after the first batch of eight speed models are due to start arriving.

Time will tell.

Cheers,
Terry


Ended up getting a great deal offer on a 2013 SE with a few bits and peices, Jan build, March delivery so it seems if you want a 2013 early in the year need to get in now.
However in this instance head had to rule heart and take up the even better deal on a 2012 HSE which will save me a lot more money than 2013 but still a bloody good car! I hope I don't regret not having the 8 speed........;)

New 2012 D4 HSE - White in the driveway by end of November latest. Apparently the 2013's start being built 1st Jan....

Thanks to the MLR and ULR crew, Pete(sniegy) and Andrew at MLR especially.

Now to sell the D2...:twisted:

[DiscoDavey]

Went in this week to get some more information on the MY13 D4 and found out the new 'premium' metallic colours are $3,600. I thought $1,800 was steep for the standard metallic paint. Even the dealer was finding the price hike hard to justify..

[scarry]

I was told by a LR dealer yesterday that the average price increase for MY13 Disco's will be a $1000 above similar spec MY12 vehicles.

That puts a base model 3.0l eight speed at $1,000 above a 2.7 six speed.



Cheers,
Terry


Wishful thinking,looks like metallic paint has blown that already:(

[DiscoDavey]

Scarry, the price hike is for the new colours (Causeway grey, Barolo Black, Barossa, Havana, Mariana Black, Marmaris Teal). These are $3,600. The 'old' matallic colours are still $1,800.
Out our way in the West the dealers (well Barbagallo's Land Rover at least) are still doing great deals on the MY13 models even though pricing has not been finalised - eg $x off the retail price.

[scarry]

Scarry, the price hike is for the new colours (Causeway grey, Barolo Black, Barossa, Havana, Mariana Black, Marmaris Teal). These are $3,600. The 'old' matallic colours are still $1,800.
Out our way in the West the dealers (well Barbagallo's Land Rover at least) are still doing great deals on the MY13 models even though pricing has not been finalised - eg $x off the retail price.

OK,so what are the MY13 new model(8 sp,etc) prices and specs?

Even so,as said,$1800 was over the top,$3600 is outrageous.

Probably will be a lot of white one's around..........

All speculation ATM,will have to wait & see.

[phl]

Well, the MY13 specs and prices are out now; dealers don't like to discuss it unless you get down to price negotiation.

Apparently some deliveries will be end of Jan 13; wanted a 13 build, so waiting a bit longer.

[TerryO]

Well, the MY13 specs and prices are out now; dealers don't like to discuss it unless you get down to price negotiation.

Apparently some deliveries will be end of Jan 13; wanted a 13 build, so waiting a bit longer.


So can you then enlighten us re the upgrade model prices then please.

cheers,
Terry

[phl]

These are RRP, including GST and LCT, ex dealer delivery, rego etc:

3.0L TDV6 $68,900
3.0L SDV6 SE (183kW) $84,600
3.0L SDV6 HSE (183kW) $95,900
5.0L V8 $129,900

Can't remember the figures for the TDV6.

[SBD4]

There is calculator on the LR website:

https://landrover.webqem.com/driveaway/

[phl]

Looking at the old price list, looks like MY13 hasn't increased in price for the HSE.

[TerryO]

Given that many of the D4's main opposition are specking up the various models with even more extra's I would have thought it fool hardy for LR to raise prices to much. Especially given that they are already much more expensive than nearly all of their opposition.

cheers,
Terry

[CaverD3]

They are pretty competative a the moment. LC200 starts at 90K on road and you don't get a lot for it. Euros and jeep (Toerags and Cherokees etc) are better value and are more of a threat.
Line ball in overall value I would say. If LR were going to put the price up thye would have to give a lot more free fruit.

[phl]

Some specs are puzzling; there is keyless start, but not entry. If the system is already in place for one, it shouldn't be that hard to add the other.

One huge advantage LR has is the engine; I looked at the Prado, but the diesel is old and underpowered.

[WhiteD3]

Is it fair to compare the D4 to a Tourag when it doesn't have low range?


They are pretty competative a the moment. LC200 starts at 90K on road and you don't get a lot for it. Euros and jeep (Toerags and Cherokees etc) are better value and are more of a threat.
Line ball in overall value I would say. If LR were going to put the price up thye would have to give a lot more free fruit.

[TerryO]

They are pretty competative a the moment. LC200 starts at 90K on road and you don't get a lot for it. Euros and jeep (Toerags and Cherokees etc) are better value and are more of a threat.
Line ball in overall value I would say. If LR were going to put the price up thye would have to give a lot more free fruit.


Having just gone through the exercise of comparing the new diesel Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland to the current D4 the difference in specification is massive.

To get a D4 to the same spec's as a standard Overland it would cost around $50,000 more than an Overland. And the Overland has features like Adaptive cruise control, blind spot warning, electric opening and closing tail gate which you can't even get in a D4.

Plus if you order the 'Adventure pack' for $650 more it comes with full under body aluminium bash plate protection. 18" wheels and lower diff ratio's for off road usage. Also from memory if you compare 0-100 kph times of both 3 litre diesels the new Jeep GC is around 1 second faster than the D4. So it's not slow either. Both can tow 3.5 ton and have 350 kg ball weights.

My point is Land Rover need to be either seriously up specking their various D4 models or looking at making them more affordable otherwise they will lose many sales to the new Jeep in the near future, especially when the Jeep gets an 8 speed box mid year and even more toys to play with standard.
Already Jeep Grand Cherokee sales have gone from selling sweet stuff all before this new model over 12 months ago to way out selling the 200 series Cruiser and is heading towards the number one spot which is owned by the Prado.

The D4 prior to the new Jeep GC was good value and a far superior vehicle compared to the Landcruiser 200 series, but the new Jeep has changed that equation and can't be ignored.

cheers,
Terry

[Graeme]

Some specs are puzzling; there is keyless start, but not entry. If the system is already in place for one, it shouldn't be that hard to add the other.Its all about getting more money for very little extra cost.

[SBD4]

Having just gone through the exercise of comparing the new diesel Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland to the current D4 the difference in specification is massive.

To get a D4 to the same spec's as a standard Overland it would cost around $50,000 more than an Overland. And the Overland has features like Adaptive cruise control, blind spot warning, electric opening and closing tail gate which you can't even get in a D4.

Plus if you order the 'Adventure pack' for $650 more it comes with full under body aluminium bash plate protection. 18" wheels and lower diff ratio's for off road usage. Also from memory if you compare 0-100 kph times of both 3 litre diesels the new Jeep GC is around 1 second faster than the D4. So it's not slow either. Both can tow 3.5 ton and have 350 kg ball weights.

My point is Land Rover need to be either seriously up specking their various D4 models or looking at making them more affordable otherwise they will lose many sales to the new Jeep in the near future, especially when the Jeep gets an 8 speed box mid year and even more toys to play with standard.
Already Jeep Grand Cherokee sales have gone from selling sweet stuff all before this new model over 12 months ago to way out selling the 200 series Cruiser and is heading towards the number one spot which is owned by the Prado.

The D4 prior to the new Jeep GC was good value and a far superior vehicle compared to the Landcruiser 200 series, but the new Jeep has changed that equation and can't be ignored.

cheers,
Terry

Agree on the level of features for the money. Even the new Mitsu Outlander has ACC. On the bright side, ACC can be fitted:

DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - ACC (adaptive Cruise Control) Retrofit (http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic74744-15.html)

[fender130]

Mate of mine has the New Cheap Grand Cheroke. Very good value, heaps of goodies. I found it drives and handles well, probably better than my D3, the ride is not as good nor the prestige.
On the negative side, it has around 30k on the clock and he has experienced,
New gearbox and transfer,
Split thermostat housing,
Leaking power steering fluid,
No remote speaker on his upspec DVD/phone gizmo
Keyless key locked in vehicle,
Countless visits to dealer and a **** load of frustration and inconvenience.

I think I'll stick with the D3.
Price is'nt everything

[TerryO]

Out of interest Fender 130 is your mates Grand Cherokee a V8 or the diesel?

Having read various forums from the US it is the six speed auto V8's that are blowing up auto's on a regular basis and having lots of issues.

The new VM diesel fitted Grand Cherokee's have the old Merc five speed fitted that is near unbreakable.

For anyone who is interested in reading about what Australian owners of the new Jeep Grand Cherokee think of their recent purchases have a read of a thread on caravanersforum.com. If is now 125 pages and 2494 posts long and has over 100,000 reads. It gives just about a complete history of the new Jeep from day one of ownership here in Australia right up to now warts and all.

The one funny thing that comes out from reading the thread is for the first 30 or 40 pages all the Toyota Landcrusier owners on the forum, which there are plenty of, just kept on bagging the new Jeep, by about page 50 they gave up and some have now said they are considering buying one.

By the way I am also keeping our D3 for now.

cheers,
Terry

[fender130]

It is the diesel. Very nice motor, sporty performance.
I think it was actually the transfer that failed. He does'nt like to talk about these things in great detail.

[Graeme]

I don't know the various models but a near-new one with CRDI or similar badge was at my place yesterday. The owner slowly picked his way along my bumpy driveway as he left where I just go, albeit with the suspension raised a little. Maybe the vehicle is too new for the driver to use (abuse?) the suspension that much or maybe the driver just doesn't like rough tracks.

[BenD4]

Had an update from the dealer yesterday. The first of the MY13's are in transit. ETA 16th January.

[phl]

Waiting on a Jan 13 build date, with March delivery. They expect some MY13 towards end of this month or early next.

Apparently there is an HSE Luxury, with all the fruits of the V8 but no e-diff. Not sure if the dealership has spec'ed these specially, or if they are a new variant. RRP $120+K...

[discotwinturbo]

Ignore post

Brett

[Celtoid]

Having just gone through the exercise of comparing the new diesel Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland to the current D4 the difference in specification is massive.

To get a D4 to the same spec's as a standard Overland it would cost around $50,000 more than an Overland. And the Overland has features like Adaptive cruise control, blind spot warning, electric opening and closing tail gate which you can't even get in a D4.

Plus if you order the 'Adventure pack' for $650 more it comes with full under body aluminium bash plate protection. 18" wheels and lower diff ratio's for off road usage. Also from memory if you compare 0-100 kph times of both 3 litre diesels the new Jeep GC is around 1 second faster than the D4. So it's not slow either. Both can tow 3.5 ton and have 350 kg ball weights.

My point is Land Rover need to be either seriously up specking their various D4 models or looking at making them more affordable otherwise they will lose many sales to the new Jeep in the near future, especially when the Jeep gets an 8 speed box mid year and even more toys to play with standard.
Already Jeep Grand Cherokee sales have gone from selling sweet stuff all before this new model over 12 months ago to way out selling the 200 series Cruiser and is heading towards the number one spot which is owned by the Prado.

The D4 prior to the new Jeep GC was good value and a far superior vehicle compared to the Landcruiser 200 series, but the new Jeep has changed that equation and can't be ignored.

cheers,
Terry

I'm wondering about your comments Terry.

I think back to the days of older Jags and BMW, etc, etc. They didn't actually offer a lot of fruit...as in a Calais had just as much. However, when you got in a European car, there was always something about them...I think it affected the human psyche. Probably better known as brand snobbery....:wasntme:

Jap cars and less prestigeous European marques have more bells and whistles than my wife's new Merc.....(same applies to BMW, etc)....yet the more posh (;)) cars still sell very, very well. I assume every sale is a massive profit for Merc and others.

I just wonder if LR will need to bow to the sales figures of other manufacturers when they currently could sell more LRs than they can make. I wonder if they bank on certain people feeling that others bought the Jeep 'cause they couldn't afford the Land Rover Discovery 4.

I know the Toyo equation s a bit of a spanner in the works to that arguement but I think they commanded a loyal following and are now screwing them. Maybe it's cause I love my LR but when I looked at my mate's Prado (same year as my D4), his interior just didn't look anywhere near as good. All leather like mine but just not the same. I thought the same about the LC200 I looked over recently. Very nice...but not quite the same.

I remember how incredibly good my D4 looked when I picked it up off the show room but it still had way less to offer than other cheaper cars...in the way of gadgets etc. The catch-cry was....you didn't buy it for the fruit, you bought it because it's a LR and is by far the most awarded 4WD in the world. The inferrance that the other gear was low laying fruit....easy to please type offerings.

This is not my opinion, I'm just speculating.

Another side though...

I recently hired an XC90 for a month in the UK......very nice well appointed car. The D4 **** all over it in performance, smoothness and ride but internally it kicked arse. However, I couldn't help wondering what it would look like inside if I did to it, what I've done to my D4. The Discos look pretty flash but they are pretty durable inside and clean really well...I wonder if that can be said for the others?

Cheers,

Kev.

[Family Traveller]

BenD4 are you going through Melb City for you 2013.
I haven't heard a thing and I emailed for a update last month.
I'm hoping my HSE comes through in the first batch however some of my options might hold it back.

[Tombie]

Well said Kev

[Celtoid]

Got to add....

Just picked up my son from a mate's place. They had a guest there who is a Toyota Vendor...a very successful one. They had a brand new LC200, with everything under the sun fitted. It is a very, very nice car. But getting back to my earlier point....you just really wouldn't want to get it dirty...especially inside. It's also noisy as hell and still has the back row seats on the sides..

[BenD4]

BenD4 are you going through Melb City for you 2013.
I haven't heard a thing and I emailed for a update last month.
I'm hoping my HSE comes through in the first batch however some of my options might hold it back.

No mate, Port Macquarie?

What option's do you think is holding yours up?

I ordered mine in June with a lot of options (e-diff, Hi-Ice, Vision Pack) just to name a few.

[TerryO]

I'm wondering about your comments Terry.

I think back to the days of older Jags and BMW, etc, etc. They didn't actually offer a lot of fruit...as in a Calais had just as much. However, when you got in a European car, there was always something about them...I think it affected the human psyche. Probably better known as brand snobbery....:wasntme:

Jap cars and less prestigeous European marques have more bells and whistles than my wife's new Merc.....(same applies to BMW, etc)....yet the more posh (;)) cars still sell very, very well. I assume every sale is a massive profit for Merc and others.

I just wonder if LR will need to bow to the sales figures of other manufacturers when they currently could sell more LRs than they can make. I wonder if they bank on certain people feeling that others bought the Jeep 'cause they couldn't afford the Land Rover Discovery 4.

I know the Toyo equation s a bit of a spanner in the works to that arguement but I think they commanded a loyal following and are now screwing them. Maybe it's cause I love my LR but when I looked at my mate's Prado (same year as my D4), his interior just didn't look anywhere near as good. All leather like mine but just not the same. I thought the same about the LC200 I looked over recently. Very nice...but not quite the same.

I remember how incredibly good my D4 looked when I picked it up off the show room but it still had way less to offer than other cheaper cars...in the way of gadgets etc. The catch-cry was....you didn't buy it for the fruit, you bought it because it's a LR and is by far the most awarded 4WD in the world. The inferrance that the other gear was low laying fruit....easy to please type offerings.

This is not my opinion, I'm just speculating.

Another side though...

I recently hired an XC90 for a month in the UK......very nice well appointed car. The D4 **** all over it in performance, smoothness and ride but internally it kicked arse. However, I couldn't help wondering what it would look like inside if I did to it, what I've done to my D4. The Discos look pretty flash but they are pretty durable inside and clean really well...I wonder if that can be said for the others?

Cheers,

Kev.



I accept and agree with much of what you have said Kev, however why not go test drive a diesel Overland model yourself and then report back if its just a case of the new Jeep just being full of fancy gizmo's and little else? You may get a bit of a surprise at how good they are, anyway once you have driven one you will know one way or the other if they are any good.

The Overland model with air suspension is a really nice drive to say the least, the Limited and or Laredo models with coil springs drives ok at best in my opinion.

One thing though the new Jeep GC is no Toyota truck it seriously is a big step up from one of them.

I have no plans to get rid of the D3 just yet for either a D4 or a Jeep, in fact just ordered a rear wheel carrier, winch, rock sliders and will have them and some other goodies fitted in one weeks time along with a ARB bar and spotties.

cheers,
Terry

[Tombie]

I find in the Jeep my feet have nowhere to go!

That tunnel is so restrictive.

[TerryO]

I find in the Jeep my feet have nowhere to go!

That tunnel is so restrictive.


I was told you have very big feet ...;)

Actually your correct there is not a lot of room next to the transmission tunnel.


cheers,
Terry

[Celtoid]

I accept and agree with much of what you have said Kev, however why not go test drive a diesel Overland model yourself and then report back if its just a case of the new Jeep just being full of fancy gizmo's and little else? You may get a bit of a surprise at how good they are, anyway once you have driven one you will know one way or the other if they are any good.

The Overland model with air suspension is a really nice drive to say the least, the Limited and or Laredo models with coil springs drives ok at best in my opinion.

One thing though the new Jeep GC is no Toyota truck it seriously is a big step up from one of them.

I have no plans to get rid of the D3 just yet for either a D4 or a Jeep, in fact just ordered a rear wheel carrier, winch, rock sliders and will have them and some other goodies fitted in one weeks time along with a ARB bar and spotties.

cheers,
Terry

Thanks Terry. I've never seen a new GC in the flesh...well not inside. And last night was the first time I'd seen a brand new LC200 (with everything...and I mean everything...super soft textured leather seats with a/c flowing through them...full entertainment TV system, etc, etc).

The LC is very nice looking car (a bloody expensive one too I might add) and from all accounts so is the Jeep. But that wasn't the point I was making.

Right near the end I said it wasn't my opinion.....just speculating that regardless of how good the Jeep is, Brand Snobbery or some other emotive reasoning may prevent the D4 from being threatened on the sales front.

I guess time will tell, if LR start producing more than they can sell, that may force a rethink.

Cheers,

Kev :)

[Family Traveller]

I was told the E Diff would hold it up....
As for options I ticked pretty much all the boxes apart from the cooler box as I have a 230 Litre fridge in the van.
Entertainment pack for the kids for the long trips, Cold Climate pack for the trips up to the Highlands, Logic 7 because I love my music, Surround Cameras, Vision assist, 20 inch 10 split spokes, Nara Bronze, upgrade leather, privacy glass and a few things from the accessories list.

[Family Traveller]

I was talking to my Barber the other day and he was telling me that when he brought his focus the dealer gave him the Vin so while it was being transported he could track the cars progress from Europe to Aus.
He said all you do is go to the car freighters website, enter your Vin and your able to track your car.
Sounds pretty good, I'll follow it up and see how I go.
Has anyone else heard of this.

[roamer]

Toyota do it

Cheers Ken

[BenD4]

I have all those options less the cold climate pack so I guess it comes down to when you ordered it.

I might follow up on the tracking also.

[phl]

I was told the E Diff would hold it up....
As for options I ticked pretty much all the boxes apart from the cooler box as I have a 230 Litre fridge in the van.
Entertainment pack for the kids for the long trips, Cold Climate pack for the trips up to the Highlands, Logic 7 because I love my music, Surround Cameras, Vision assist, 20 inch 10 split spokes, Nara Bronze, upgrade leather, privacy glass and a few things from the accessories list.

Did you get the keyless entry as well?

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you end up paying.

[Family Traveller]

Got keyless as well, Tyre monitors, Target tracker sticker for the van, stainless steel trim finishers, stainless steel tread plates, bulb kit and warning triangles also for $135K..... optional extras, what a killer!

[phl]

That's the problem with European cars; Lexus gives you gloves and mat for changing tyres, with first aid and I think triangle thrown in.

Have been tossing up keyless all weekend.

[DiscoDavey]

...He said all you do is go to the car freighters website, enter your Vin and your able to track your car.


I've heard of this too but can't confirm it. At the very least they can tell you which ship it is on, and you can track the ship. I CAN confirm this...

My MY13 D4 is off the production line and waiting for ship assignment! Dealer said he'll give me the ship name so I can follow the progress, once he knows which ship it is assigned to. His best guess is Jan 15th delivery.

[Celtoid]

That's the problem with European cars; Lexus gives you gloves and mat for changing tyres, with first aid and I think triangle thrown in.

Have been tossing up keyless all weekend.

Don't know about gloves and mat...I'll need to take a better look but my Merc came standard with quite a comprehensive first aid kit and the triangle thingy...

[Family Traveller]

My Disco is loaded and left Southhampton on the 3rd and is headed to Port Elizabeth, arrival on the 20th. Gets to Melbourne on the 7th of Jan.
Exciting times...:)

[drex]

I was talking to my Barber the other day and he was telling me that when he brought his focus the dealer gave him the Vin so while it was being transported he could track the cars progress from Europe to Aus.
He said all you do is go to the car freighters website, enter your Vin and your able to track your car.
Sounds pretty good, I'll follow it up and see how I go.
Has anyone else heard of this.

Head over to: https://att.2wglobal.com/gstattweb/ocean.do'method=getDefaultOceanQuickSearchPage and put your VIN in the Cargo ID field and it will show you the ship name and it's itinerary.

Then you can go to Live Ships Map - AIS - Vessel Traffic and Positions (http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/) and type in the Ship's name and it will show you where the ship is (provided it's in range of an AIS receiver - otherwise it will say that the ship isn't found). If you keep checking closer to the next ports arrival date and you'll be able to track it coming into port.

These two pages were in my favourites during my order process earlier this year :D

You need to allow about 2 weeks from when the car lands in at your port and when you get the keys.

[geoffmc]

Has anyone read the Maximum Trailer Nose weight for the new D4 of 150kg? Go to the "Performance & Weights" tab on the left.

Discovery 4 TDV6 4x4 Turbo Diesel Efficiency | Land Rover Australia (http://www.landrover.com/au/en/lr/discovery-4/explore/tdv6/)

With a Maximum trailer weight of 3500kg, the 150kg ball weight is severely underdone. This will have a major effect on the ability of the D4 to tow big loads.

What does everyone think of the Rotary dial gear shift control?

cheers
Geoff

[TerryO]

Hi Geoff,

The maximum ball weight for Australian D3's and D4 models is 350kg, not 150 kg. Mind you that is reliant on you not loading the D4 up to its max carrying weight though just like it would be with any vehicle.

That is unless LR have just decided to make sure no grey nomad will ever buy a new Disco ever again.

Still having said that if I was going to buy a new D4 I would now be asking for written clarification on the max ball weight and what is stated on their website to be on the safe side re insurance etc.

cheers,
Terry

[discotwinturbo]

The manual states 150kgs (350kgs Australia only).
Mitch hitch gives more comfort....atleast in my mind.
Brett.....

[geoffmc]

Thanks guys,

It just always makes me nervous when I see contradicting information on manufactures websites, particularly as there was no caveat to Australian registered vehicles.

I'm looking towards next year when my current lease expires on my NT Pajero and hoping the D4 will be as reliable as the Paj has been.

Cheers
Geoff

[Celtoid]

The manual states 150kgs (350kgs Australia only).
Mitch hitch gives more comfort....atleast in my mind.
Brett.....

How does that work? That's legalities in different countrys Vs differences in cars?

[Mike_S]

I'm only guessing here, but it could very well be the tow hitch. I still have my European hitch (the hook type) and it's rated to 150kgs. The Aus square hitch assembly is probably the bit rated to 350kgs.

Personally, I think 350kgs ball weight is bonkers, but then that's just me. I'm used to boats/caravans that I could lift the hitch, so 100ish kgs.

[sniegy]

That's exactly correct Mike.

The one you have "donkey d**k" is rated as the manual states at 150kg,
But our ADR's stipulate that we must have a square style hitch & to be rated at approx10% of the load hence why we have 350kg.

Cheers

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[discotwinturbo]

In August this year I towed a friends trailer (he makes trailers for a living and he built trailers also in the uk) which weighed 2.5 tonne, and was 120kgs on the rear of the disco. This was the smoothest 2.5 tonne trailer I have ever towed. No wallowing from the disco when compared to my 2.5 tonne offroad camper (230kgs), and 3.5 tonne (335kgs) horse float.
He said that our trailer manufacturers here don't know how to balance trailers.
Maybe our trailer manufacturers should follow the European line of 5% ball weight? Maybe more weight should mean less swaying, but did not find that with his trailer.
Brett...

[phl]

After being told by the dealership I didn't have to make up my mind until mid-Dec, and they will call us in for that, when I tried to add on keyless entry to the options list, was told the lock in date was 5 Dec. Funny thing is when we went through the interior options on Saturday last (8th, when we went in on our own accord as we had other errands in Artarmon), wasn't told about it, and was in fact told today that those options went through fine, but can't add keyless entry (which I had requested on Monday (10th).

I'm now wondering if I should push the point, as that's breach of a verbal agreement, and get my deposit back, and walk to another dealership.

[CaverD3]

I would walk to another dealer if they won't budge. Alto need to wake up. The new manager is a poor reflection on the LR brand. :mad:
They lost out on the Northern Beaches franchise. Buckles have got it.

[phl]

Is Northern Beaches or Alexandria the better alternative? They would both be equidistant for me.

Edit: There doesn't seem to be a listing for Northern Beaches.

[CaverD3]

There was no dealer for NB but I know Alto wanted it but Bucklesgot it. It will go where Audi sales were. I don't think sales have opened at Buckles yet. The mechs are being trained at the moment.
Wherever you go you will need to consider service. Alto give free loan cars. Alexandia serice has not had good reports though.
John Gallico the sales manager at Purnells will do a good price and look after you but is further away.
Maybe you should play hard ball with Alto and see what they do?

[phl]

Alexandria picks up from my work, so not an issue, but may look at Purnell as well, even if they are further.

Service can still be done at Alto on the Corporate Plan.

[CaverD3]

Alto have been good service wise to me. However the new manager for both LR, Jag and Holden more like a "used car guy" maybe ok for holden but for a premium brand is not a good fit.

[phl]

Glad to report everything sorted out now. Had emailed them, but as it was forwarded to the manager, and he hit reply, didn't get to me but ended up with the sales person.

Went in today and he has placed a new order, everything in writing. Will go with next order, so definite 2013 build. I can wait a bit longer for the car I actually want.

[DiscoDavey]

The new MY13 specs for the Discovery 4 are now up on Land Rovers website.

MY13 Discovery 4 (http://www.landrover.com/au/en/lr/discovery-4/explore/tdv6/)

The new colours look good but at a jaw dropping $3,600 extra I am not sure how many we'll see.

[Barryp]

Hi All,
Just noticed in the brochure link above that the picture of the engine shows a dipstick!
Has someone at LR used an old picture or have they gone back to using a dipstick from the later electronic oil quantity measuring system ?
Regards
Barryp

[~Rich~]

Fingers crossed!

[Tombie]

The new MY13 specs for the Discovery 4 are now up on Land Rovers website.

MY13 Discovery 4 (http://www.landrover.com/au/en/lr/discovery-4/explore/tdv6/)

The new colours look good but at a jaw dropping $3,600 extra I am not sure how many we'll see.

Thats the whole idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Barryp]

Hi Rich,
Yes my RR Sport has the new system and talk about making something simple (a dipstick) into a complicated system that can only be checked after the ignition has been off for 10 minutes and about 6 button presses to get it up! What were LR thinking!
Regards
Barryp

[BenD4]

Had an update from the dealer yesterday. The first of the MY13's are in transit. ETA 16th January.

Got an update on Friday.


The current estimated delivery date is 29/01/2013
Dealer Notes; Vehicle due to dock into Australia 12th January. Should be in dealer stock within 2 weeks.

[Family Traveller]

Toreador (the ship the D4's are on) left the Perth coast yesterday and is headed to Port Melb, arrival 8th.

Here's the link:

Live Ships Map - AIS - Vessel Traffic and Positions (http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx'mmsi=235068882&centerx=116.0187&centery=-35.50382&zoom=10&type_color=7#)

29th is looking good :)

[JamesH]

Ive been off work and down the beach each morning. There was a car carrier in port and one sitting out in Gage Roads for three mornings when I went down for a swim. The turn around over New Year had obviously slowed right down. I was thinking "I hope there aren't any Ladies on that one. Some people will be tearing their hair out" Glad to see its come in and gone on it's way to Melbourne.

[gghaggis]

The 6 day strike at Freo Port caused a bit of a backlog too .... :mad:

Cheers,

Gordon

[Family Traveller]

The Toreador was in and out the same day, however sat out off the coast for 24 hours.
Does anyone know why it takes so long to deliver a Vehicle?
The car gets to port on the 8th but delivery is the 29th.

[JamesH]

The 6 day strike at Freo Port caused a bit of a backlog too .... :mad:


Ahh, so that's what it was.

One side question, the other day I was driving along Leach Highway and saw many car transporters loaded up (and a lot of empty ones heading into Freo) and it got me wondering if the cars were removed from the dock asap and taken to another big warehouse for the customs to go over or do they process them completely in the harbour? Had those cars I saw been released and were heading to dealers?

[Family Traveller]

I've noticed alot of transporters coming out of the ports, so I guess they're cleared on the docks.

[Family Traveller]

Had to go to RCH this morning so I popped down to the port after and had a look at the shipment of Land Rovers.
Some nice D4's, White with the black pack and was happy to see, what I believe was, my D4.
Heaps of Audi's, Beamers,VW's and Mercs including a bunch of G series in Camo, both wagons and Utes.
Alot of transporters loading up cars, just not Land Rovers, but the guys there where taking numbers and going over the cars.
Now the wait for delivery, hopefully not to long since they are only 1500m, as the bird flys, from the dealer.

[DiscoDavey]

Had to go to RCH this morning so I popped down to the port after and had a look at the shipment of Land Rovers.
Some nice D4's, White with the black pack and was happy to see, what I believe was, my D4.
Heaps of Audi's, Beamers,VW's and Mercs including a bunch of G series in Camo, both wagons and Utes.
Alot of transporters loading up cars, just not Land Rovers, but the guys there where taking numbers and going over the cars.
Now the wait for delivery, hopefully not to long since they are only 1500m, as the bird flys, from the dealer.

That must be killing you! You can see it, touch it, but you just can't drive it! [happycry] If you see an orkney grey D4 with black pack, rub the seagull crap off for me, it's mine. ;)

[jon3950]

Toreador berths in Port Kembla this morning, so mine should be back on dry land again today. Must be about time to contact the dealer and do something about selling the D3 - I'm going to miss it.

Cheers,
Jon

[Family Traveller]

Driving down to Sorrento today (No I wasn't watching the polo), I thought I'd swing into docklands to see if my car was still there, ( I know overly keen) and it had gone except for one black on black D4 sitting there by itself, surrounded by a bunch of Audi's.
So if you had a Land Rover on the recent Melb. shipment it's off the dock...... Unless you own a Black D4 with the Black pack, it's still sitting there
:D

[phl]

Well, the D4 is on it's way; left Southamton 29 Jan, currently docked in Durban on the Morning Calm.

ETA Port Kembla 10 March, and should get it delivered 2 weeks after.

[jon3950]

Glad you know what's going on with yours. Mine's supposed to be on Fedora, currently on its way to Melbourne and due in Port Kembla on the 26th.

However, I still don't have a confirmed spec or delivery date from the dealer.

I can't believe how difficult its been to buy this vehicle.

[phl]

Jon,

That's not good; managed to get my VIN off our mutual friend (as Jamie is on holiday), but as I got everything in writing, and done by Jamie, I'm more confident the order should be correct.

My delivery is suppose to be 2 weeks after the 10th, although of course I'd prefer it earlier if possible.

Edit: Can't find the Fedora on the Live ship tracker; must be in the middle of the Indian Ocean.

[powervideo]

Head over to: https://att.2wglobal.com/gstattweb/ocean.do'method=getDefaultOceanQuickSearchPage and put your VIN in the Cargo ID field and it will show you the ship name and it's itinerary.


Put my VIN into the little popup window but nothing happened. Am I doing something wrong? :angel:

[powervideo]

Figured it out. Hit the "Track" button. D'oh. I have another five to six weeks until I get the D4. :censored: