D4 Starting problems with 3 litre HSE

[SteveL]

We had our D4 serviced in Perth and I mentioned to the service manager that occassionally, when pressing the starting button, that nothing would happen. Release and do it again and away she went.
When we picked the car up they told us that the matter I outlined to them is a known issue and had been addressed in some LRA sevice bulletin or some such. The fix was to replace an electrical board in the dash.
Dash out, full day job.
Gulp, my beautiful Disco!!
They couldn't do it but gave me some paper work to give to our local dealer.The Perth dealership were brilliant by the way, didn't miss me dollarwise but were great.
Did that when we got home, went off to the local dealer. They said that they replaced the electrical component board, although interestingly, they said it was not a dash out job.
No different, worse if anything and yes, it is intermettent although often.
Any thoughts anyone?
We've gone back to our local dealer and they have got the mirrors out and are looking in to it with LRA and will let me know in the fullness of time.
Regards
Steve L.

[rufusking]

I have occasionally had the engine not start or even turn over when pushing the start button but I have been putting it down to poor coordination between putting my foot on the brake and hitting the button ( hand is faster than the foot).
Thanks for the thread, I'll pay more attention to starting to see if I have any real issues. Vehicle is a Nov 11 build D4.

[trif]

Hi Steve,

My 2011 HSE was doing the same thing, as well as intermittently losing power at take off. I had the brake switch replaced (5 min job) and both problems were fixed. Might be worth doing prior to pulling the dashboard apart.

Regards Trif.

[BobD]

Mine did that for several months but hasn't done it since the brake light switch failed and was replaced.

Bob

[sniegy]

The issue is the key fob pick up is not talking to the Instrument Pack (that in itself is an ECU) therefore the tech bulletin suggests to replace the I/Pack.
It is not a dash out job, just the I/Pack to be replaced & reprogrammed with the latest software, this can only be done by an authorised LR dealer.
Cheers

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[scarry]

The issue is the key fob pick up is not talking to the Instrument Pack (that in itself is an ECU) therefore the tech bulletin suggests to replace the I/Pack.
It is not a dash out job, just the I/Pack to be replaced & reprogrammed with the latest software, this can only be done by an authorised LR dealer.
Cheers

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Thats what they did to mine,started to happen a few months ago when i was in a remote area,over 900k's from the nearest dealer:mad:

Problem disappeared and then reappeared,then had it fixed.The dealer was good,as sniegy says,they new exactly what it was & it was a quick fix.Was supposed to fix the l/100k's read out as well,but hasn't,still inaccurate.

[Beamin]

I didn't realise this was a fault. I just press the button again and it goes. It might happen about once in every 20 or 30 starts, although if I'm hopping in and out all day and doing lots of starts I've noticed it happen maybe 2 or 3 times in a day. It always starts on the 2nd attempt.

Is this something that might get worse and prevent the car from starting? Or is it just a minor inconvenience every now and then that's unlikely to become a real problem?

[Celtoid]

Mine does it quite regularily. I've had the Instrument Pack replacement done, don't think it made any difference.

My car is three years old, doesn't seem to be getting any worse.

Always starts on the second attempt.

[waughloch]

Mine does it quite regularily. I've had the Instrument Pack replacement done, don't think it made any difference.

My car is three years old, doesn't seem to be getting any worse.

Always starts on the second attempt.

My Truck is 31 years old and it starts. Every time. First time. Its old and its good? :p

Modern cars are made to cost you money? They have added value to their product by ensuring it has to come back to the dealer for servicing and $$$$$$$ repairs?

[Mudrunner]

I have a similar problem upon starting occasionally. I would say it happens about 1 in 15-20 starts (once every 3 weeks). Sometimes I wonder if I'm too eager jumpung into the car quickly, depressing the brake and start button in close succession, or if the radio key just hasen't hooked up to the computer quick enough.
Other times I am conscious of this and take my time, methodically throwing the keys into the centre console depressing the brake whilst putting on the seatbelt then pressing the start button. In doing this I occasionally get a bloody steering lock message on the dash and she doesn't fire - release brake and start button, go through the process again and she usually fires the second time.
Interesting to know it's a known fault, may have to get it sorted before the warranty runs out in June.
Cheers, Shane.

[Graeme]

...In doing this I occasionally get a bloody steering lock message on the dash and she doesn't fire - release brake and start button, go through the process again and she usually fires the second time.Whilst I suspect there has since been a software update to overcome this, mine stopped these frequent antics when I changed the CCF specs to indicate that no steering lock is fitted to prevent the steering lock from being used.

[Celtoid]

My Truck is 31 years old and it starts. Every time. First time. Its old and its good? :p

Modern cars are made to cost you money? They have added value to their product by ensuring it has to come back to the dealer for servicing and $$$$$$$ repairs?

My Merc starts first time every time and it's new and it's got a funny fob type key....the difference is....you plug the bloody thing in and turn like a key....who'd a thunk it!!! LOL!!!

The problem is the stupid wireless start on the D4. The quicker they get the thing back in the dash the better....plus it gets your keys out of the way. They still do it in the Freelander, so why not the D4?

I got a loner from LR recently and noticed that the 2012 fob has changed....it's now much smaller....starting to look like a size that will plug into the dash....;)

Maybe one day!!!

Cheers,

Kev.

[Graeme]

The problem is the stupid wireless start on the D4. The quicker they get the thing back in the dash the better....plus it gets your keys out of the way. They still do it in the Freelander, so why not the D4?I suspect that whilst keyless entry is supported, keyless start will be fitted.

[phl]

They should just go completely keyless entry; with the Lexus, you put the key in your pocket, and that's the end of it.

[SBD4]

They should just go completely keyless entry; with the Lexus, you put the key in your pocket, and that's the end of it.

you can have that on the D4 - you just have to pay for the privilege.

Edit: on second read, maybe you meant they should just make it standard?

[Celtoid]

I suspect that whilst keyless entry is supported, keyless start will be fitted.

:confused:

[Celtoid]

They should just go completely keyless entry; with the Lexus, you put the key in your pocket, and that's the end of it.

It's available in a D4...but judging by how bad the keyless start is, I'm not sure that I'd have much faith in it....:wasntme:

[Graeme]

:confused:
Having to dig the key out of wherever its stored (pocket or purse) to start the vehicle yet didn't have to in order to unlock the vehicle would not make any sense.

[Celtoid]

Having to dig the key out of wherever its stored (pocket or purse) to start the vehicle yet didn't have to in order to unlock the vehicle would not make any sense.

Ah, got you. Thanks.

Yeah I guess it's six of one, etc...

Key on dash, good starts, recharge batteries..

Key in pocket (not practicle with my house keys attached though), open door, start car....

Maybe if it worked there wouldn't be such a discussion....LOL!!!

[JayBee75]

Mine works in my pocket. I just open the car, key in pocket, get in start etc. Alot of people are saying they have to put in in the cup holder of the centre console, have I missed something I should be doing?

[sniegy]

You have keyless entry, little black rubber buttons on your door handles, is an option to all models :-)

[SBD4]

Mine works in my pocket. I just open the car, key in pocket, get in start etc. Alot of people are saying they have to put in in the cup holder of the centre console, have I missed something I should be doing?

I think it is more about making sure the the key and car can find each other. Putting it in the centre console gives them the best chance to do so thus avoiding the "Smart key not found" message. Though, this does not always guarantee the communication between the two.

[JayBee75]

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your comments. Pete no I dont have keyless entry probably did'nt clearly write out the process.
Have to unlock and lock the car with keys however when i open the car with the key I then put it back in my pocket and start the car.
Today I opened the car and put my keys in my jacket suit pocket which I forgot about and hung my jacket up on the hook in the back. Got in the front started the car and drove off, not until i got back to the office i realised my keys were in my jacket in the back!

Would be nick to have somwhere to store or a specific place to have the keys, for me an oversight by LR, too focused on the actual keyless part. Common sense still says to have a slot so the key is securley stored and potentailly the key can be charged whilst driving like they do on many other prestige cars. Concept good however a miss for me as i don't think it was fully thought through.

Cheers
JB

[Graeme]

Most of the time my vehicle is not locked so with the key in my left pocket the vehicle is quickly started and I'm away.

[phl]

you can have that on the D4 - you just have to pay for the privilege.

Edit: on second read, maybe you meant they should just make it standard?

Yes, making it standard is what I meant. As it is, when I'm not working, my car keys are the only keys I carry around (house is keypad and biometric).

Don't feel that we should be paying an extra $2100 for it (although with the current sale on, I may spring for it if I can renegotiate the price down).

[phl]

Would be nick to have somwhere to store or a specific place to have the keys, for me an oversight by LR, too focused on the actual keyless part. Common sense still says to have a slot so the key is securley stored and potentailly the key can be charged whilst driving like they do on many other prestige cars. Concept good however a miss for me as i don't think it was fully thought through.


If the system is fully keyless, like in the Lexus, then it doesn't make sense to have a slot for the key, as you don't need the key in hand to open or start the car. But the Lexus key has a simple system to start the car if the battery fails.

As for slots, some work better than others. Audi has/had a system where the whole key was fed into the slot; friends of our had fun when it would not release...