D4 Restricted Performance [Archive] - Australian Land Rover Owners

westek

4th December 2012, 12:51 PM

Hi Guys,

I was happy to say I'm the proud owner of a 2010 D4 HSE as of Tuesday last week, until it had to be towed this morning to LR.

The previous owner recently had the "Brake Switch" replaced due to a "Restricted Performance - Gearbox Fault". Apparently the first ever error in two years.

But again today the "Restricted Performance" error appeared before disappearing, but the performance of the actual car became sluggish.

Haven't heard back from LR as yet but was wondering if anyone else has experienced the same issue?

101RRS

4th December 2012, 01:27 PM

Why was it towed - still drives with "restricted performance".

Mine still does 100kph with restricted performance illuminated.

Did you go through the ECU reset procedures as it often fixes the issue (at the time).

Garry

westek

4th December 2012, 02:18 PM

Graeme

4th December 2012, 08:14 PM

Mine still does 100kph with restricted performance illuminated.

The 3.0 may barely get to 60 kph or may get to 100 kph depending on what's not working properly. I've also had the engine refusing to keep running above idle.

101RRS

4th December 2012, 08:18 PM

I've also had the engine refusing to keep running above idle.

That is not restricted performance - that is no performance :o

eddomak

4th December 2012, 08:28 PM

Thanks for the reply.

The car still drove but as mentioned, seemed to be running ruff.

Being a new owner and never owning a LR before I wouldn't know what the ECU reset procedure was. Can you please explain what I need to do?

Hi - welcome to the fold!

If you haven't had a chance, read the FAQ post (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/93220-aulro-discovery-3-4-rrs-faq.html) as it is awesome and contains a lot of wisdom to keep in the back of your mind.

What a pain - a problem so early into your ownership period! But most of the time they are few and far between these days. Trust me - I wouldn't have bought another LR without a LOT of research first since my Freelander 1.8 was just totally terrible.

Anyway, back to the topic - if you have a quick look under the FAQ post, and search for "reset" it should take you to the right part - something about taking off the cables from the battery and touching them together. Your car owner's manual also has a section on this.

Cheers!

101RRS

4th December 2012, 08:35 PM

Being a new owner and never owning a LR before I wouldn't know what the ECU reset procedure was. Can you please explain what I need to do?

Step 1 - Switch the car off - leave a few seconds then restart. If the issue still exists go to Step 2

Step 2 - Put handbrake on and switch off - wait until the handbrake light goes off (something like 3 minutes) this is generally considered the time required for the computers to go to sleep. Switch back on and if the issue still exists go to Step 3.

Step 3 - Switch off and lift bonnet - disconnect both battery leads and touch the +ive lead to the -ive lead (NOT BATTERY TERMINALS - LEADS ONLY). This neutralises any residual voltages in the car and ECUs. Leave for a couple on minutes and reconnect the leads to the battery (this process is basically rebooting the computers in the car. Restart the car. If the problem still exists go to step 4.

Step 4 - put face in your hands and have a good cry - Maybe for a millisecond consider self harm - when composed and if engine dead call tilt tray - if in restricted mode either consider driving and resist getting frustrated or to save stress call tilt tray.

On a recent trip from Melbourne to Canberra I have three engine faults between Glen Rowan and Gundagai - ranged from engine stop to engine idle only to restricted performance (100kph). All fixed by a restart and issues went away for the 200km from Gundagai to home and have not come back - faults just showed communication faults. Today I had airbag light and switching off and on cleared it.

Garry

Mudrunner

5th December 2012, 01:17 AM

My 2010 3.0 SE did a similar thing after it's first long trip from Melbourne to Qld. We had been hammering through central Qld on our way to the Gold Coast when we were detoured due to floods around Gundawindi. Anyway it was a 13 hour driving day. The following day she fired up as usual, within about 3 mins after starting, I pulled out of a driveway and stuck my foot into her to beat some traffic. She was not at all responsive to my demands, very sluggish, no power and a bucket load of white smoke bellowed out behind me from the twin exhausts. This "Reduced Performance" warning came up on the dash and I thought I had done a head gasket. I pulled over and turned off the car. Wiping the sweat beads of my brow, I fired her up again - No warning, no smoke, no further issues for the next 2 years. I can't explain what happened but after the event I assumed the computer was unhappy about something?
Cheers, Shane.

westek

5th December 2012, 07:35 AM

Thanks for all the feedback.

Called LR last night and they were still looking into the issue.

I will provide an update once I know what they found or didn't find.

I'll definitely try the reset next time.

westek

5th December 2012, 12:18 PM

~Rich~

5th December 2012, 12:39 PM

Where do you buy your diesel from?
A name brand or an independant?

I'm not saying you have but it's not worth gambling with such a complicated / modern diesel engine, stick to name brands only, inform SWMBO to comply as well. :angel:

westek

5th December 2012, 01:29 PM

I've only filled the car once since I bought it last week.

Filled up at the BP in Chadstone.......

What is everyone using?

Disco4SE

5th December 2012, 01:50 PM

I was talking to a bloke only last week, that blew up the motor in his D4 3.0 as (what he claims) was a result of bad fuel. He was always using the no name servos.

I have always used Caltex Vortex diesel and occasionally BP. He was told to do the same in future.
BTW : He had ran out of warranty, however Landrover paid half.

My opinion is that you spend good $ buying these vehicles. Why save a few cents a litre on sh&# fuel?

Cheers, Craig

Celtoid

5th December 2012, 02:47 PM

The 3.0 may barely get to 60 kph or may get to 100 kph depending on what's not working properly. I've also had the engine refusing to keep running above idle.

I knocked the throttle body loose...:angel:.....got a 100kph on the road but had to manually change gear to get it to do that. I found that strange as the engine was quite happy to rev the crap out of itself and yet not change gear whilst in normal auto.

Happened whilst in sand.....no fun at all going through soft, deep sand with no power....

Plane Fixer

5th December 2012, 06:35 PM

I am with Craig re fuel as I only use Caltex Vortex or BP. I will use other brands if it is a busy truckie stop.
Years ago I filled my Patrol with cheap diesel and promptly did a pump, but as I paid cash and did not get a docket I did not have a leg to stand on. That cost me $3500.
I am very sure with the D4 it would be well over $15000 as it would damage the injectors as well.
When I was in Jabiru I needed fuel, but as I saw the tanker in there I decided an overnight stay was needed and I could fill up next morning when the crap had settled back to the bottom of the tank.

roamer

5th December 2012, 08:34 PM

Be a bit careful with the BP premium, it is only sold at selected outlets,
check their web site

None in Sydney :confused::confused:

Plane Fixer

5th December 2012, 09:51 PM

Roamer,
I wonder why BP have such limited outlets for their premium diesel, as you say none in Sydney, yet Caltex seem to have more and more outlets with the Vortex diesel.
I have picked up a tankful of the BP premium in Brisbane in the VW Golf and it did run smoother, most likely the long run helped more than anything, but with the availability of the Vortex in Coffs now I do not bother with BP anymore.
BP came into the market trumpeting the virtues of their premium diesel and now rarely do I ever see it available, let alone advertised.

pmrobin

12th December 2012, 11:20 AM

JamesH

12th December 2012, 06:17 PM

I asked the salesman when I picked up my car if I needed to hunt down the higher grade diesel, he said "nah, normal diesel will do". As i said it was the salesman not the service manager but he was the guy doing the hand over.

I have a Caltex nearby so will use that rather than the cheapo Gull that the poor Defender had to live on but I won't be going out of my way to get the exxy diesel.

sniegy

12th December 2012, 06:36 PM

It seems that BP and Caltex seem to be the go. What about Shell?

As I have a Shellcard account, I have naturally been using Shell (always from Coles Express) since I picked up the TDV6 in July. Should I be switching?

Phil
Phil,
I have used Shell since day 1 & have not had any issues at all, Even when i travel i use a Shell servo when i find it.

Cheers

101RRS

12th December 2012, 06:59 PM

Depending on where you are branded fuel can be refined anywhere - even in an opposition refinery - so the base diesel can come form anywhere - even Singapore. It is what the brand names put into it that gives the base diesel its Brand.

Garry

Graeme

4th March 2013, 09:41 AM

My 3.0 got another 'restricted performance' today after taking off from having idled for a couple of minutes soon after driving off that couldn't be cleared by restarting. The codes pointed to a sticky primary turbo actuator again - its been about 6 months since the first bout. Clearing the faults with the engine running then giving the engine a few quick rev bursts as soon as the red triangle went out did the trick. I suspect the engine doesn't get enough work to move the actuator often enough. Note to self: remember to use more fuel more often!

sheerluck

4th March 2013, 09:46 AM

It seems there's a lot to be said for a good old "Italian tune up" once in a while Graeme!

With my diesel, I have one day a fortnight where I drive it like I stole it.

Tombie

4th March 2013, 11:05 AM

Phil,
I have used Shell since day 1 & have not had any issues at all, Even when i travel i use a Shell servo when i find it.

Cheers

Shell is my local and I use it exclusively around home.

On the road I'll use BP, or Shell and will never fill up at a Woolworths Caltex.

BP in Whyalla has "Ultimate Diesel" but cant be bothered driving the 6km to get it :)

Redback

4th March 2013, 02:27 PM

We've had this "Restricted Performance" come up, took it down to the dealer, they put it on the computer, came up with MAF circuit fault, which could mean any number of things, said they didn't have time to check it out, so they said if it happens again bring it back, hasn't happened again, but we thought we should take it back to at least have it checked, but because no faults came up, they said it was all good and wouldn't look into it any further.

Baz.

Dandevries

4th March 2013, 10:18 PM

I've never stopped to think about the quality of my diesel. There is really that big a difference between the oil companies?

Graeme

29th March 2015, 03:50 PM

Just picked up the car.

The official response was -

"Check DTC's - P2264-00 water in fuel sensor circuit logged. Inspected for water in diesel - none evident. Removed and replaced fuel filter housing assembly to rectify.

Car is running well again, fingers crossed.
I'm hoping that I've overcome mine's P2264 water sensor circuit error / restricted performance on first start-up each day since the gearbox was R&R'd by spraying contact cleaner onto the 3 contacts of the 3-pin connector for the water sensor wires attached to the filter housing. I suspect that the connector was disconnected during the gearbox R&R. Earlier attempts to reseat the single wire connector to the sensor itself were futile.

Melbourne Park

1st April 2015, 08:18 PM

Toyota have significant water collection filters, and have warnings for them that I think stop the motor. And people add larger water filters to their fuel systems in Toyotas.

What is the system that Discovery uses? I know that with the Prado, you get a seperate brochure for the water filter devise used ... I did not recieve such a brochure in my Discovery. I am wondering what technology Discovery now uses?

Graeme

27th May 2015, 04:53 PM

After unsuccessfully trying to improve electrical connections to the sensor controller and the sensor itself I capitulated and purchased a new fuel filter housing assembly. Having found that the sensor controller is attached with a single screw I tried unsuccessfully to clean the earth electrical connection between the controller's plastic block and the exposed wire going into the top of the filter housing. I eventually fitted the controller from the new housing, not wanting to unnecessarily disconnect fuel lines covered in dirt and the fault is now gone. Its rather expensive to have to buy the whole filter assembly just to get little plastic-enclosed sensor control circuit c/w its short electrical harness and connectors. The new one is an updated design so perhaps it will last longer. It has the number 41948 on both the plastic and on a tag on the harness but I can't find any references.

VK3GJM

28th May 2015, 04:36 PM

Having had restricted performance alarms pop up 5 times over a 12 month period in varied driving conditions and on 2 occasions towing with no performance degradation, I finally had a O2/temp sensor replaced as this was the most likely candidate.

A recent return trip of 4,000km to Cameron corned and back through all sorts of conditions, towing, low range etc etc, no restricted performance alarm has raised it's ugly head again.

Regards

Gerald

plusnq

28th May 2015, 07:46 PM

Our D4 is back in with restricted performance the day after a $1600 service. They don't seem to be able to find the source of the fault. Doesn't engender confidence, sadly.

Graeme

28th May 2015, 08:50 PM

What fault codes are being stored?

plusnq

29th May 2015, 03:40 AM

I don't have access to them Graeme as still under warranty. Austral LR have had it for a day and can't figure it out. Hopefully we will have it sorted soon.

Graeme

29th May 2015, 05:34 AM

A dealer can always refer the problem to JLRA so should eventually resolve it.

plusnq

29th May 2015, 07:56 PM

Thanks Graeme. Seems to be an intermittent turbo issue. They have had it two days and now are keeping it for the weekend.

Graeme

29th May 2015, 08:22 PM

Perhaps a sticky secondary inlet isolation valve or its actuating solenoid but hopefully the dealers have tested for either.

plusnq

3rd June 2015, 08:37 PM

Seems to have been a sticky valve, they think. Been a week in the shop and still not home. We are getting to test drive the Landrover range as loaners though :)

Graeme

4th June 2015, 05:52 AM

The inlet isolation valve's actuating lever can get jammed by dirt. Mine caused intermittent faults initially but then became more persistent, eventually requiring external cleaning. I removed the valve to discover the cause but will in future be able to clean it in-situ in a few minutes.

plusnq

9th June 2015, 10:33 AM

You had it in one Graeme. They replaced the valve and hope they have solved the problem.

dudette

11th January 2016, 05:47 PM

Well... my 2013 HSE D4 got the amber triangle error light this arvo along with the "Restricted Performance" message... although didn't seem to have any loss of performance. Drove it home and it's going to the dealer tomorrow to be checked. We didn't know about the ECU reset procedure.. that'll be handy next time if it happens again!

Vasculardoc

31st May 2016, 08:16 PM

We had a similar problem yesterday - well actually a pile of crap problems of which the restricted performance light was the least of ur worries !

Driving from lorella springs to Borroloola in 2013 D4 with camper trailer on the back - sliced the sidewall on one duratrek - the tyre dog tpms told us immediately so I dutifully pulled over and changed to our first spare.
Drove 200m up the road and the restricted performance light came on - no apparent caus, no engine issues, no restriction in performance that was obvious - although we were only doing 60-70km/h max.

Stopped and let the car have a rest and restarted, the light is still on. Carry on.

Pulled over, stopped the car and did a walk around and check, notice subtle bulge in sidewall of the othe rear tyre - only 20km from Borroloola so decide to limp there keeping an eye on the TPMS knowing it would alarm if we went flat - and we had a second spare.

Get to Borroloola - tyre is as flat as a pancake and almost shredded. TPMS tells me the pressure is 36 - same as its been for the last few days. Take the TPMS off the tyre and notice that the sensor is still sending 36 ! Bugger !

Now it turns out that there are no goodyeAr duratracs in Australia And not likely to be any until early July ! Thanks for nothing Goodyear !!!!

Good news is that after a rest the restricted performance message has gone away.

So - we are now on our way to Alice with two wrecked tyres sitting on the back, and a new set of hankooks on the greyhound to Alice. Hopefully they will be up to the crossing of the plenty. Birdsville, the strez, and the flinders, and a bit of Victoria over the next few weeks.

Mark

Dfourfun

5th June 2016, 04:37 PM

Now it turns out that there are no goodyeAr duratracs in Australia And not likely to be any until early July ! Thanks for nothing Goodyear !!!!

Hmm, that's not good news. I had the Duratracs down as one of my short-list options for my (imminent) next set of tyres, now not so sure that is a good idea... :(

Any explanation for the bulge/destruction of the tyres from Goodyear or whomever you spoke to up there?

VK3GJM

5th June 2016, 05:17 PM

Hi Mark,

What was your tyre pressure and the sort of ave speed you are running. What went, front or rear tyres?

In relation to restricted performance, I had noticed that rapid de-excelleration triggered my alarm at least 3-4 times.

For example a rapid excelleration on an on ramp towing and then a sudden de-X celebration due to lane traffic caused the 2012 to flag the same alarm shortly after normalisation with a steady speed in the mix of traffic.

Good luck on the trip, on my bucket list, east to west..

We had a similar problem yesterday - well actually a pile of crap problems of which the restricted performance light was the least of ur worries !

Driving from lorella springs to Borroloola in 2013 D4 with camper trailer on the back - sliced the sidewall on one duratrek - the tyre dog tpms told us immediately so I dutifully pulled over and changed to our first spare.
Drove 200m up the road and the restricted performance light came on - no apparent caus, no engine issues, no restriction in performance that was obvious - although we were only doing 60-70km/h max.

Stopped and let the car have a rest and restarted, the light is still on. Carry on.

Pulled over, stopped the car and did a walk around and check, notice subtle bulge in sidewall of the othe rear tyre - only 20km from Borroloola so decide to limp there keeping an eye on the TPMS knowing it would alarm if we went flat - and we had a second spare.

Get to Borroloola - tyre is as flat as a pancake and almost shredded. TPMS tells me the pressure is 36 - same as its been for the last few days. Take the TPMS off the tyre and notice that the sensor is still sending 36 ! Bugger !

Now it turns out that there are no goodyeAr duratracs in Australia And not likely to be any until early July ! Thanks for nothing Goodyear !!!!

Good news is that after a rest the restricted performance message has gone away.

So - we are now on our way to Alice with two wrecked tyres sitting on the back, and a new set of hankooks on the greyhound to Alice. Hopefully they will be up to the crossing of the plenty. Birdsville, the strez, and the flinders, and a bit of Victoria over the next few weeks.

Mark

Graeme

5th June 2016, 05:36 PM

In relation to restricted performance, I had noticed that rapid de-excelleration triggered my alarm at least 3-4 times.

For example a rapid excelleration on an on ramp towing and then a sudden de-X celebration due to lane traffic caused the 2012 to flag the same alarm shortly after normalisation with a steady speed in the mix of traffic.Possibly caused by a sticky secondary isolation valve.

VK3GJM

5th June 2016, 07:45 PM

No. O2 and heat sensor replaced. All good after 20,000km.

Possibly caused by a sticky secondary isolation valve.

Vasculardoc

5th June 2016, 07:49 PM

VK3GJM

5th June 2016, 10:43 PM

I'd suggest 34-35PSI hot with a bit of load maybe even 36 and keep the speed to 60-70km/hr.

Did 62,000km on a set of 6 GG 19" and never a single puncture with slightly higher then recommended pressure.

Rear tyre - were running 30 odd on the rears and mid 20s on the front. Only doing about 60 but the puncture was a complete sidewall slash that was probably actually due to the side walls bagging out too much with the lower pressures. Real problem with the 19" tyres IMO. The other one was not a clear puncture that we could see but a funny bulge and then the tyre was flat by Borroloola.

We have put a set of hankooks on and have punctured another one today - a piece of 8G wire through the shoulder - and then the truck fell off the jack and generally **** me to bits :-( now looking for better jack recommendations.

dudette

25th October 2016, 01:37 PM

well... nearly 10 months after the first Restricted performance (with amber warning light) today I got the error message again... this time with a red warning light!.

Back in January 2016 after the dealer checked the fault code it turned out to be a faulty exhaust temp sensor. Been fine since that was replaced.

Today I'd been out and about for around 2 hours having been to a few different places, and being a beautiful day, I was enjoying the drive, and stuck my boot into it (MY13 D4 HSE) a number of times and all was fine until I left the local shops and was two streets from home ... then suddenly... up pops the restricted performance message on the screen with a red warning light. Stopped, turned off and on, error still there..... drove rest of the way home.. stopped, turned off, left it for 5 mins, turned on and it's cleared.

I've got a big drive coming up this weekend for Melb Cup, and I really just don't need the worry!!

Waiting on the dealer to call me about it.... and am seriously thinking about getting a fault code reader ... where in the car do they plug into??

LRD414

25th October 2016, 01:54 PM

Waiting on the dealer to call me about it.... and am seriously thinking about getting a fault code reader ... where in the car do they plug into??
Good idea. OBDII port is just above the accelerator.
You can see my extension cable plugged into it in this photo:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/10/154.jpg

Cheers,
Scott

dudette

25th October 2016, 01:58 PM

Thanks LRD414, I never would have found that!!! Can I ask which fault code reader you have?

LRD414

25th October 2016, 03:28 PM

Can I ask which fault code reader you have?
iiD Tool BT by Gap Diagnostics.
https://www.gap-diagnostic.com/shop/iidtool-bt/
Very easy to use via mobile phone app with Bluetooth. Can email yourself a list of fault codes before clearing.

Another option would be to find a forum member with one of these near you. Faults can be read and cleared on any vehicle as it is not one of the VIN locked features.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/electronic-diagnostic-systems/213489-members-diagnostic-equipment-map-updated-1-2015-a-5.html
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/electronic-diagnostic-systems/51189-members-diagnostic-equipment-31.html

Cheers,
Scott

EugenioB

1st March 2018, 01:07 AM

My D4 is just over 1 year old, and 2 days ago developed this as its first ever fault. The warning and poor performance persisted for an entire journey home (20km), surviving an engine shutoff and restart at a traffic light. It disappeared completely during a complete vehicle shutdown and lockup, while I sifted through the User Manual (unhelpful, of course), trying a restart about 20mins later.
Dealer wanted it towed, not driven, just in case it was anything actually serious. They found a log event of insufficient turbo boost pressure. They followed the LR procedure for investigation in the event of such a fault report, and found.... nothing. Everything seems to work as it should now, and they found no leaks, faulty contacts, faulty sensors or any other malfunctions. Returned it to me within a few hours.
We'll see whether it happens again, and pray that if it does it's not at a critical time/place (e.g. climbing a mountainous trail far from nowhere, or maybe in the middle of crossing a creek).

I can't help wishing that we had not progressed vehicle technology to the point where we now drive computers connected to mechanical peripherals through a complex and mysterious system of sensors and telecoms, less familiar than black magic. I still haven't sold my D1 (Manual 300Tdi), and while my D4 was away, I found it sooo refreshing to have an all-mechanical machine responding perfectly and quickly (albeit less sophisticatedly) to my every command. In 20 years of service from new (235000km), my D1 only ever let me down 3 times, and never at a critical time, or while off road. We'll see how D4 goes in the long term...