130 plus Gooseneck trailer?

[akelly]

Hey All,

does anyone tow a goosneck style trailer with a 130 dual cab? Just wondering about the practicalities of that arrangement. I have the ute tub arrangement.

Cheers,

Adam

[dobbo]

That'd be a very slow trip, unless you have a large capacity diesel sitting under that bonnet.

I'd pay to see a Puma pull a gooseneck

[dullbird]

well a puma 90 has pulled a semi trailer so why not?

I'd pay to see your colorado pull a skin of a custard :p

[Blknight.aus]

I've thought about it...

Even contemplated setting fozzy up for it but couldnt get the winch and the mount to exist in harmony.

[dullbird]

well if this 1986 Landy can pull one hahahahahah some people are lunatics.

EDIT: I have removed video as according to text looks like in the video there is some swearing!! dont want to get an infraction:D

go and have a look though type in Land rover 5th wheel setup and it will bring up a video of a series 1986 pulling a 45ft caravan hahahahahah

[Sprint]

my concern with a 130 DC with a gooseneck would be getting the hitch far enough forward so it would tow happily....

[uninformed]

I've thought about it...

Even contemplated setting fozzy up for it but couldnt get the winch and the mount to exist in harmony.

what would the point be of setting up a swb series LR to tow with goose neck.....really

[dobbo]

The bi centenial 110 crew cabs had goosenecks, were they all v8's? Either way they had a capacity greater than 2.2l.


I wasn't puma bashing, I think you'd be pushing your luck with anything less than a large american styled pickup. There is more to consider than engine size, no lou, my ute will not be doing it, the hitch would break the chassis given enough time, as it would aany non re enforced modern chassis. Next time you see a gooseneck hitch take a look underneath

[JDNSW]

The bi centenial 110 crew cabs had goosenecks, were they all v8's? Either way they had a capacity greater than 2.2l.
.....

I think you are right about the bicentennial 110s having goosenecks, and, yes, they were all V8s.

Perhaps worth noting that the current 2.2 Defenders have both more power and more torque than the 1988 V8s - capacity is not very relevant once you have forced induction. On the other hand, I have an idea that the chassis in 1988 was a bit beefier than today.

John

[Sprint]

what would the point be of setting up a swb series LR to tow with goose neck.....really

Fozzy is LWB.....

[juddy]

Heres a few examples...
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/937.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/938.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/939.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/940.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/941.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/942.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/943.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/944.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/945.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/946.jpg

[uninformed]

Fozzy is LWB.....

well that should make all the difference then ... :D

I wonder what type of compressor the Racetech 90 is using?

Yes I know it all has been done before, I have all the old LR promo videos for series I, II and III, and yes there is a 88inch swb with goose neck set up. But most of these mods are for special purpose trailers and loctation applictations. 99% of goosenecks being talked about and used today are for the reason they are BIG, LONG and HEAVY....not something I would think ideal behind ANY LR. The idea of the goose neck and where it places load and where the pivot point is in relation to back axle is a good one, but the trade off is no loosing that space. If you are towing that much maybe a small Isuzu truck would be a better option?

[akelly]

The trailer is not heavy, but it is long. Mainly interested in the geometry of fitting the thing and driving it around. Wont be used off-road or in 'extreme' conditions.

I'm particularly interested in how the clearance would work around the tub. I'm thinking I may need to suck it and see, because I can find bugger all examples from Aus.

Cheers,

Adam

[dobbo]

There are a few fifth wheeler manufacturers around, maybe talk to one. From memory there is one in Morriset.

[Davehoos]

there are a few in the lake macquarie area.
importers and builders.

[dobbo]

I think you are right about the bicentennial 110s having goosenecks, and, yes, they were all V8s.

Perhaps worth noting that the current 2.2 Defenders have both more power and more torque than the 1988 V8s - capacity is not very relevant once you have forced induction. On the other hand, I have an idea that the chassis in 1988 was a bit beefier than today.

John

I'm sure you'll agree capacity is very relevant once taking longevity into account considering one engine would be a fairly lazy V8 and the other a small capacity 4 cylinder stressed by forced induction.

[debruiser]

I'm sure you'll agree capacity is very relevant once taking longevity into account considering one engine would be a fairly lazy V8 and the other a small capacity 4 cylinder stressed by forced induction.


Exactly, "There's no replacement for displacement" :twisted:

[dullbird]

Cars aren't built for longevity these days so what does it matter :D

[dobbo]

Cars aren't built for longevity these days so what does it matter :D


It doesn't to me, I refuse to buy a new Land Rover.

[dullbird]

It doesn't to me, I refuse to buy a new Land Rover.

Yes WE KNOW:rolleyes:.....

I refuse to buy a new Land Rover:p

[Sprint]

The idea of the goose neck and where it places load and where the pivot point is in relation to back axle is a good one, but the trade off is no loosing that space. If you are towing that much maybe a small Isuzu truck would be a better option?

the number of people who believe that the fifth wheel type couplings as shown in the top photo on this page are a good idea is mind boggling, the amount of room they take up, and the difficulty presented if/when you want to utilise that tray space is ridiculous.

a proper gooseneck using a 75mm tray mounted ball takes up bugger all space when the trailer isnt being used, takes up little more when the trailer is being used, and if you need to use all the tray space available, you can remove the ball in less than 5 minutes using one spanner....

the drop down ball as illustrated in the last few photos is actually of serious concern for several gooseneck hitch/trailer manufacturers in Australia, I've had a look at one personally and I'm concerned about its capacity in terms of shock loading and outright strength, and I, along with others in the trade question the legality of that style of ball, as well as that i'm pretty sure that unless its a 75mm ball and not the 60mm (?) its not actually legal in Australia any more.

as for a light/medium rigid truck being a better option, in some circumstances, yes, but usually not for the average person, as it means another vehicle, along with associated costs for essentially a specialised purpose.

examples: a friend has a single axle gooseneck car trailer that he had built to be towed behind his BA falcon ute, its rated capacity is well over 2500kg, and even loaded up with a 4wd colorado dual cab, it tows, handles and reverses like a dream, and articulation is to the point where when maneuvering in reverse, you can actually get the trailer well past 90 degrees and probably approaching 120 degrees to the tow vehicle.... try turning a normal car trailer around like that!

in the last 7-8 years it has done well over 80,000km, and this year alone has done two return trips to melbourne, loaded both ways....

when i was building gooseneck trailers for a living we had a combination caravan/mobile workshop that was to be towed by a F350 dual cab, the owner had looked at buying and fitting out a medium rigid truck to do the same thing, but made the decision for the trailer as it would allow him to still keep his F350 as a personal vehicle on weekends, use the trailer for holidays, and if he was working on site, drop the trailer and shoot off into town to pick up parts or equipment without the hassle of packing up a truck, while allowing his worker to keep going with the job. airbag suspension made for a VERY soft riding trailer, one story i heard was a coke can had been left open on the table inside, they packed up and drove ~250km home, and the can was still upright on the table!


I'm particularly interested in how the clearance would work around the tub. I'm thinking I may need to suck it and see, because I can find bugger all examples from Aus.

for clearance around the tub, a properly built gooseneck will be find swinging around as far as the drawbar will clear the cab, which will be limited by the balls proximity to the back of the cab..... as for taking one offroad, given sufficient suspension articulation, clearance between your drawbar and the sides of your tub is the issue..... what are you planning on using the trailer for?

[akelly]

It will be a mobile training facility. Only on-road application, but some pretty crappy roads around western QLD and NSW.

After doing a fair bit of research I'm actually thinking about swapping the Defer for an F250. I just think the Defer will be on it's straps all the time, towing a big heavy trailer. The unit I'm looking at having built is 30' long and around 3t.

I do about 50-60,000km a year, so reliability and longevity are important. So is comfort (another reason the Defer may go!).

Thanks for the input everyone, I still haven't made a solid decision, and will keep checking the thread and updating.

cheers,

Adam

[Blknight.aus]

what would the point be of setting up a swb series LR to tow with goose neck.....really

asked


Cars aren't built for longevity these days so what does it matter :D

and answered.

[Sprint]

Both of these trailers were set up to tow behind dual cab F250/F350's, first is a combination mobile workshop/caravan, accomodation for 2 with a shower in the workshop area, second is a 5 horse float with living quarters, 2 single bunks plus one double, and all the bells and whistles

[Summiitt]

I pull 3.5 ton 4-5 days a week with my 130 puma, no dramas, except on long steep hills, who knows how long it will last but that's what they are built for...@ 90k it's never missed a beat..

[uninformed]

I pull 3.5 ton 4-5 days a week with my 130 puma, no dramas, except on long steep hills, who knows how long it will last but that's what they are built for...@ 90k it's never missed a beat..

I hope you run good syn oil in atleast the gearbox and tcase AND change it out no greater than 20k. A lt230 sump plate wouldn't be a bad idea either.

[Summiitt]

Yep and change the oil at 15k, even over summer, gearbox and diff temperatures arnt excessive..