Allisport or Allard td5 intercooler?

[noogie]

Hi all
I'm looking to upgrade my intercooler on my td5 defender.
Has anyone installed either the Allisport or Allard intercoolers from the uk?

I have a remapped ecu and 3 " exhaust.
I've been told the later model td5, mines an 05 model, don't need a larger intercooler as they have a larger one compared to earlier td5's.

Is this true?
I've measured mine and the two upgraded units are larger, but I'm wondering how much more bang I'm gonna get from my bucks?

Thanks
Mick

[djam1]

Not sure about Defender having different size intercoolers this is the case with Discoveries but not Defenders to my knowledge.

I fitted an Allisport intercooler and have had no issues I think it achieved the desired result.
Ring Andrew and discuss it with him I find him to be nice bloke with integrity and he seems to stand by his products.
Also if you really want to make a difference fit a VNT from Bell Auto Services.

[goingbush]

I have also ordered an Allisport Intercooler for my MY05 Defender with A/C
(you must specify with or without A/C) they are a bit snowed under for xmas rush & with the good Aussie $$ lost of orders from AU.

Actually cheaper for us to buy them than the Poms because the 20% VAT the UK pay is slightly more than the Freight to AU & we dont get stung the VAT (or import duty)

Im very happy with my Td5 performance as it is, Im only concerned that my EGT's easily go over 700 when I'm towing our Van, If I get at least 30 -50 c benifit from the larger intercooler I'll be very happy.

(My Tip, if you dont already have one fit a Provent 200, seriously reduces the amount of oil collecting in your new intercooler)

Meybe a VNT later but can't push the freindship with Dept of Finance too much all at once.

[uninformed]

Didnt Ben (Isuzurover) post the results of the Provent test showing it made little difference to a TD5 :confused:

[goingbush]

Didnt Ben (Isuzurover) post the results of the Provent test showing it made little difference to a TD5 :confused:

The reason I like it is not so much that it might or might not reduce soot as the centrifuge takes care of that, but that the oil is not going back into the intake pre turbo - intercooler.

I get about 150 -200ml oil from my drain ( I have a drain hose & tap on the bottom rather than going back into sump) every 5000klm , I crack the tap when I grease my props, mid service

Some of that oil is otherwise going to be coating the inside of the intercooler & settling on the bottom. Before I fitted my provent I poured about 200 ml oil out of my intercooler, (@150,000klm) havent checked it since. All that gunge is going to be detrimental to standard small intercooler, may not affect a large performance intercooler so much.

[noogie]

I have also ordered an Allisport Intercooler for my MY05 Defender with A/C
(you must specify with or without A/C) they are a bit snowed under for xmas rush & with the good Aussie $$ lost of orders from AU.

Actually cheaper for us to buy them than the Poms because the 20% VAT the UK pay is slightly more than the Freight to AU & we dont get stung the VAT (or import duty)

Im very happy with my Td5 performance as it is, Im only concerned that my EGT's easily go over 700 when I'm towing our Van, If I get at least 30 -50 c benifit from the larger intercooler I'll be very happy.

(My Tip, if you dont already have one fit a Provent 200, seriously reduces the amount of oil collecting in your new intercooler)

Meybe a VNT later but can't push the freindship with Dept of Finance too much all at once.

Thanks for the tip. I'll grab one of those. Sounds like a good investment.
What sort of set up have you currently got on your deefer?
Have you had ecu remapped & exhaust diameter?
I'm interested how your truck goes after the instal.

Have you got long to wait.
Are you putting it in yourself?
If its ok, can I sit in on the instal & learn how it all goes in?
Also keen to see how the provent is installed.

I can pm you my mobile if ok?
Cheers
Mick

[Drover]

The AliSport intercooler is twice the size of the stock late model TD5 intercooler, which is same as the PUMA's.

Mine has been in over 2 years, noticeable performance increase and no issue with it. Been on some big trip and has held perfectly.

Once you see one in the flesh you can't help but be impressed with the build quality.

AliSport all the way.

[goingbush]

Thanks for the tip. I'll grab one of those. Sounds like a good investment.
What sort of set up have you currently got on your deefer?
Have you had ecu remapped & exhaust diameter?
I'm interested how your truck goes after the instal.

Have you got long to wait.
Are you putting it in yourself?
If its ok, can I sit in on the instal & learn how it all goes in?
Also keen to see how the provent is installed.

I can pm you my mobile if ok?
Cheers
Mick

Currently have Tombie stage1 remap courtesy of PO, EGR & associated plumbing removed, decat 2 1/2" exhaust with 3" center muffler .

EGR over 700 is possible if WOT up a long steep hill trying to maintain 100, but EGR very easily goes over 700 on any long hill with caravan, Hume Melb to Sydney at 110 with van is a pain as I'm constantly one eye on the EGR.

Proper outback touring wont matter so much because no pressure to stay at highway speeds

Andrew said he'd try to get the intercooler to me before Xmas in which case I'll take it to Sydney and fit it there as I'll be otherwise bored with nothing to do but watch Syd - Hobart start & NYE fireworks otherwise I'll be fitting when it arrives after about 10 Jan.

Mick, Pm your ph no but if your not about I'll take install pics.


Provent pics below if it helps, I know this is not the normal location, another different idea that works for me.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/1169.jpg

Home made bracket, easily undone if needed.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/777.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/778.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/779.jpg

Red hose is ebay 7/8 Oil transfer hose, wrapped with heat insulation where applicable, has survived well.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/780.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/781.jpg

I know , I know ... I've got a leaky manifold gasket ......... again :mad:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/782.jpg

Provent drain tap on end of 6" hose, as seen from underneath

cheers Don

[Yorkshire_Jon]

Alisport, Allard, Brunel Performance - those three are all much of a muchness.

The main difference (from memory) is the space between the fins.

If memory serves me right the Brunel one will fit air-con and non-aircon TD5 Defers and has slightly greater spacing between fins than the Alisport one. Sorry I cant remember the Allard details, we never sold many of those.

We used to sell a lot of the Brunel units as they were easier to clean the crud out of them after they'd had a mud dunkin'. Thermal efficiency was ever so slightly less, but nothing you'd ever notice.

Both Andrew at Alisport and John at Brunel are very approachable people and offer top quality products.

hth
J

[noogie]

Currently have Tombie stage1 remap courtesy of PO, EGR & associated plumbing removed, decat 2 1/2" exhaust with 3" center muffler .

EGR over 700 is possible if WOT up a long steep hill trying to maintain 100, but EGR very easily goes over 700 on any long hill with caravan, Hume Melb to Sydney at 110 with van is a pain as I'm constantly one eye on the EGR.

Proper outback touring wont matter so much because no pressure to stay at highway speeds

Andrew said he'd try to get the intercooler to me before Xmas in which case I'll take it to Sydney and fit it there as I'll be otherwise bored with nothing to do but watch Syd - Hobart start & NYE fireworks otherwise I'll be fitting when it arrives after about 10 Jan.

Mick, Pm your ph no but if your not about I'll take install pics.


Provent pics below if it helps, I know this is not the normal location, another different idea that works for me.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/1169.jpg

Home made bracket, easily undone if needed.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/777.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/778.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/779.jpg

Red hose is ebay 7/8 Oil transfer hose, wrapped with heat insulation where applicable, has survived well.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/780.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/781.jpg

I know , I know ... I've got a leaky manifold gasket ......... again :mad:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/782.jpg

Provent drain tap on end of 6" hose, as seen from underneath

cheers Don

Thanks Don

Pm sent
Cheers Mick

[goingbush]

Well a big suprise package arrived today by a nice courier lady with a Santa hat on. I wont tell you about previous time I saw a nice lady with a santa hat on.

my hat off to Andrew Graham at Allisport , he said I'd be pushing my luck to get it before Christmas, but he sure came through with the goods.

All I read on the forums about replacing the intercooler says its easy, "just undo a few bolts and take the angled support braces off and bobs your uncle"

I must be missing something because you have to take off the bonnet latch support bar that goes from one wing to the other, easier said than done. The intercooler lives under that support bar, between the A/C condensor & the Radiator.

(Same issue when I cleaned out my intercooler when I fitted the provent- by the way- this time there was NO, none , nada , zilch oil in my intercooler, The Provent really is worth having.)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/71.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/72.jpg

Just check out how puny the standard intercooler is in comparison, how the hell do those poor Td5's breathe thru that.

my camera battery went flat after the above photos so some below are putting it back together instead of taking it apart but you get the idea.

You have to take the cross bar / bonnet latch support off. how the hell do you undo those bolts, I cant get the them inside the guards so had to use a big lever to pry the wings apart . I could feel the car wincing.

Also dont forget to undo the bolt in the center of the condensor top support bar. it also holds the black bar in place

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/573.jpg

once the bar is off you can take the black brackets off.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/574.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/73.jpg

once the black brackets are off there are just two bolts that hold the top of the intercooler to the radiator, then jiggle the old intercooler out.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/575.jpg

in the pic below you can see I took the headlight bezel off trying to get to those pesky bolts - no luck

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/12/576.jpg

Expect your old intercooler to have some oil in the bottom, do your new intercooler a favour and fit a Provent 200 .

This took about 2 hours, hardest part was getting the hose clamps into a position where I could tighten them with a long screwdriver.

Road test, I noticed an IMMEDIATE improvement, turbo lag was all but gone, improved response and I could instantly tell the engine was breathing better as I could hear it more in the snorkle head. I must say that I previously have replaced the restrictive 2" air hose from the snorkle to the airbox with hotrod 90mm inlet hose and done the airbox mod.

Mission accomplished, EGT's have lowered at least 50 deg for the same speed on the same hill. Road test hill, before ....
100 kmh on flat before the hill then flat chat up the hill I'd be at 95 at the top with egt about 730

now same scenario but flat chat 112 at the top of hill and egt about 710,

second run watching the speedo & keeping on 100 egt was 650

I am a very happy vegemite and see no need for the VNT just yet.

all I can say --- just do it.

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UPDATE,

I recieved a message from Andrew Graham at Allisport thanking for my feedback,
he explains how to wind those studs in - so simple once you know the trick

There is a neat trick to getting those studs out of the wings which means you do not have to prise them apart! Simply use the nuts you have removed to lock two together and wind two studs out from the wing on one side then the catch panel slips out.

hope this helps others

...Don




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[noogie]

Hi Don

Thanks a lot for all the feedback on how it all went.
Great to see it is achieving the desired outcome.
Definitely getting one in January.
Look forward to catching up in January.

Cheers
Mick

[MD5]

@goingbush: Since I'm not fully skilled in English language, could you please describe in other words how to get the studs out of the wings ?
I'm also interested in adding a Allisport intercooler on my Td4 and I found this thread very useful about how to install it.

[goingbush]

@goingbush: Since I'm not fully skilled in English language, could you please describe in other words how to get the studs out of the wings ?
I'm also interested in adding a Allisport intercooler on my Td4 and I found this thread very useful about how to install it.


Ciao MD5, spero che questo aiuta

filetto due dadi sul bullone / prigioniero quindi bloccare i dadi uno sopra l'altro

allora si dovrebbe essere in grado di svitare il bullone utilizzando uno dei dadi, che ora sono bloccati al bullone.

Non ho provato questo, ma ora capisco il bullone si avvita in un dado prigioniero dietro il pannello

Don applausi

[MD5]

Ciao MD5, spero che questo aiuta

filetto due dadi sul bullone / prigioniero quindi bloccare i dadi uno sopra l'altro

allora si dovrebbe essere in grado di svitare il bullone utilizzando uno dei dadi, che ora sono bloccati al bullone.

Non ho provato questo, ma ora capisco il bullone si avvita in un dado prigioniero dietro il pannello

Don applausi

Thanks for your answer, now it's clear how to do the job! Grazie per la riposta!

[noogie]

Che?

[Benny_IIA]

[QUOTE=goingbush;1813382]I have also ordered an Allisport Intercooler for my MY05 Defender with A/C
(you must specify with or without A/C) they are a bit snowed under for xmas rush & with the good Aussie $$ lost of orders from AU.

QUOTE]


The non AC cooler will fit aus spec AC cars with ext nose...

I have on in my 90.. After I sent some photos I removed the AC to allow better flow to the intercooler...

I think the non ac is 20mm thicker.

[goingbush]

interesting, I did say that I had the aussie extended nose a/c when i ordered mine,
if it was 20mm thicker it certainly would not have fitted, I have about 5mm clearance between condenser pipe and intercooler on the front left.

if it was 20mm thicker at the rear it would be touching the radiator.

[Benny_IIA]

interesting, I did say that I had the aussie extended nose a/c when i ordered mine,
if it was 20mm thicker it certainly would not have fitted, I have about 5mm clearance between condenser pipe and intercooler on the front left.

if it was 20mm thicker at the rear it would be touching the radiator.


The rear does touch the radiator, I just spaced the cooler out with a few fibre washers.

all pipes fitted fine. I sent some photos to allisport about 6 months ago.

[maxthomas]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/1169.jpg

Home made bracket, easily undone if needed.




Hi mate, do you have any dimensions of the bracket you made? I like where you've put it and would like to try fitting my provent there as well

Cheers,
Max