V8 Auto - Cruise Control Vacuum Pump Testing

[Collins]

Seeking advice regarding off vehicle testing of cruise control vacuum pump, ie pin numbers for power supply & earth

[OffTrack]

It's worth getting yourself a copy of the RAVE CD as it contains most of the information you are after.

The cruise control ECU will actually log faults which can be read with Testbook. Neither Nanocom nor Hawkeye seem to include support for the V8 cruise control ECU which is a bit of a blind spot.

I've emailed Colin at BBS to see if this coverage is planned.

[Collins]

I have copies of RAVE & recently purchased a new copy - RAVE IIA from Daves Shop.
I was hoping that there may have been a member that has already been down this road and had the terminal details to hand. I guess I will have to print copies of the circuitry and work it out.
I was under the impression that BBS's Nanocom Evo was able to interogate the CC ECU, part of the reason I have initiated the purchase of a unit.

[OffTrack]

I have copies of RAVE & recently purchased a new copy - RAVE IIA from Daves Shop.
I was hoping that there may have been a member that has already been down this road and had the terminal details to hand. I guess I will have to print copies of the circuitry and work it out.
I was under the impression that BBS's Nanocom Evo was able to interogate the CC ECU, part of the reason I have initiated the purchase of a unit.

Have a look at the Description and operation section of the electrical library PDF on RAVE. The connector views section of the same PDF will give you pin outs for the connectors.

There is no mention of cc support in the product description, nor in any of the downloadable material for the Nanocom. And I cant see a cc module listed under D2 Motronic on mine. I could be wrong, however.

Cheers
Paul

[OffTrack]

Got a reply from Ron at BBS. They are going to look into "adding this to the V8 Motronic version in a future upgrade." They also mentioned that no-one had mentioned the absence of this module in the 12+ months the V8 module has been out.

The squeaky wheel approach works really well with BBS, so if anyone needs the V8 CC ECU function ping a (nice) email to support@blackbox-solutions.com asking if they'll add it. The more Nanocom owners who request this, the more likely it will happen in the next update :)

cheers
Paul

[Collins]

Got a reply from Ron at BBS. They are going to look into "adding this to the V8 Motronic version in a future upgrade." They also mentioned that no-one had mentioned the absence of this module in the 12+ months the V8 module has been out.

The squeaky wheel approach works really well with BBS, so if anyone needs the V8 CC ECU function ping a (nice) email to support@blackbox-solutions.com asking if they'll add it. The more Nanocom owners who request this, the more likely it will happen in the next update :)

cheers
Paul

I obviously misunderstood what I had read regarding the capability of the unit for V8 Discovery II. This function, for the Hella Cruise Control, is available for the P38 Range Rover.
I have taken your advice and submitted an email requesting addition to the DII unit

[lewy]

I have the hella cruise up and working on the msv2 also from blackbox, disco 03

[OffTrack]

I have the hella cruise up and working on the msv2 also from blackbox, disco 03

I doubt it's going to be too hard for BBS to enable it on the Nanocom. Sounds like it just got overlooked.

[Collins]

I doubt it's going to be too hard for BBS to enable it on the Nanocom. Sounds like it just got overlooked.

I received an email from BBS (Colin), which in part is copied below.

"It is possible that it may well be added some time in the future, freely
or at an additional cost, but i will certainly make no promises.

All information and any developments pertaining to this will be made
public on this forum thread.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/discovery-2/164782-v8-auto-cruise-control-vacuum-pump-testing.html"

It appears my problem is a dud vacuum pump.

[OffTrack]

That's a bit of a "can't be ****ed" response from Colin.

The P38a and D2 V8 share the same part number for the Hella CC ECU so the Nanocom firmware already includes support for the CC ECU. All they have to do is sort out licensing, so there isn't any technical reason for not adding D2 support.

You'd have to assume BBS have a commercial reason not to do so.

[Collins]

Can anyone explain what this means, re CC ECU. Extract from web
"https://www.blackbox-solutions.com/shop/help/SM039.html"

[Collins]

Can anyone explain what this means, re CC ECU. Extract from web
"https://www.blackbox-solutions.com/shop/help/SM039.html"

I have been advised that the above link pertains to "Faultmate MV2".
Odd that a newer system did not incorporate thye same capabilities:confused:

[BBS Guy]

The squeaky wheel approach works really well with BBS,

Sorry Paul, I have always regarded you as a friend, and as such have not posted on this thread until now, but i have to disagree.

In consideration of the involvement and participation i have personally had on this board and the vast amount of effort that many members here will remember and appreciate that BBS has freely put into improving the nanocom in respect of hardware and software, freely adding Autobox and SRS for the Disco II and adding the option to cover the V8 Motronic ECU, debugging the bejesus out of it and even to the degree of asking for suggestions, all without raising the cost by a single Cent, i feel this comment that insinuates we need bullying and pressuring by any means to be entirely unwarranted and totally insulting to me and BBS.

[OffTrack]

Sorry Paul, I have always regarded you as a friend, and as such have not posted on this thread until now, but i have to disagree.

In consideration of the involvement and participation i have personally had on this board and the vast amount of effort that many members here will remember and appreciate that BBS has freely put into improving the nanocom in respect of hardware and software, freely adding Autobox and SRS for the Disco II and adding the option to cover the V8 Motronic ECU, debugging the bejesus out of it and even to the degree of asking for suggestions, all without raising the cost by a single Cent, i feel this comment that insinuates we need bullying and pressuring by any means to be entirely unwarranted and totally insulting to me and BBS.

I think you are being overly sensitive Colin, and are most definitely misreading "squeaky wheel" if you think that means I'm advocating bullying and pressuring. I'd hardly be recommending users who were interested in Cruise Control Module support send BBS support a nice email requesting a feature be added if that were the case, would I? Nor would I be writing posts like this one in the EDS Forum: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php?p=1817429#post1817429

That said on some issues BBS support has a tendency to fall into a default "not our problem" mode. As an example the issues some users have had with Td5 map uploading falls into that category, and it took considerable effort to convince you that was something that needed to be looked at. I classify that as "requiring the squeaky wheel treatment" as that problem had to be repeatedly raised before it was even looked at.

cheers
Paul

[OffTrack]

I have been advised that the above link pertains to "Faultmate MV2".
Odd that a newer system did not incorporate thye same capabilities:confused:

Please refer to my post in the Electronic diagnostics forum:


I think Collins maybe referring to the lack of support for the Hella Cruise Control - https://blackbox-solutions.com/shop/help/SM039.html - which is supported on the Faultmate MSV-2. Given the price differential between an Evo with D2 V8 unlock with no VIN restrictions (€299/$375AU ex-vat) and a MSV-2 Extreme with full D2 V8 coverage (€549/$685AU ex-vat locked to a single VIN, €1014/$1265AU ex-vat with MultiVehicle licenses) it's not really surprising there are a few feature differences.



To be fair to Colin and BBS the Nanocom D2 coverage has never included support for the Hella Cruise Control, so basically what is being requested is that BBS add an additional module to the D2 V8 coverage.


The MSV-2 is BBS's high end diagnostic tool, and has evolved through a number of incarnations since the Rovacom. The EVO was a product that was taken over from another developer at the end of 2010, and essentially rescued from oblivion as the original developer was unable to cope with the demands of producing, selling, and supporting the device. Colin and BBS have undoubtably moved the Nanocom to a much higher level than it was at when they took over it's development.

Looking at it from a business perspective you can see Colin/BBS's quandary. The EVO in part cannibalises sales from the Faultmate MSV-2, so there is an understandable reticence to make the EVO identically featured to the MSV-2 D2 coverage. On the other hand the EVO allows BBS to compete at a similar price point to the Hawkeye so helps prevent loss of sales in that market segment. The juggling act is how do BBS balance features and pricing across it's product range. The MultiVehicle unlock for the MSV-2 Hella CC module is €47 (the Motronic V8 Module is €175) for example, so how do you price the same functionality when selling what is effectively the module for the EVO?

cheers
Paul