Just bought a P38

[highrr]

Just bought a P38

Its got a Holden Gen 3 in it,
ARB air lockers
Bar and winch being fitted in the coming weeks and
265 75 16 BFG muddies then hit the bush.

[mtb_gary]

Congrats on your purchase. Where are you getting your bar and winch from?

[highrr]

Getting it sent over from england mate,

[HEYVJ]

I just bought a P38 HSE also.

I'm interested in the Gen 3 conversion, especially how the conversion was done and engineered. Love to see some pics.

Cheers,
HEYVJ

[BusinessConnected]

Noticed your in Melbourne... would love to see this Gen 3 Conversion as well... how well it's been done...

1) Does the Dash light up like a christmas tree with a heap of BECM Errors or have they been resolved
2) What Gearbox/Transfer Case have been used...
3) What does she sound/go like....

Super keen to see... and potentially copy the engineering... I have a LS1 here from a Clubsport that would look lovely in a P38...

[Hoges]

Just bought a P38

Its got a Holden Gen 3 in it,
ARB air lockers
Bar and winch being fitted in the coming weeks and
265 75 16 BFG muddies then hit the bush.

you got whaaaaaaaT?????:eek::twisted::twisted::twisted:

photos please and any info on who did the conversion? PLEASE?!!!:D

[BusinessConnected]

You know you're gonna have to fly down and perve if it's legit Hoges ;)
We'll have to organise a weekend with Gen 3's and Engine Hoists... lol :)

[Hoges]

You know you're gonna have to fly down and perve if it's legit Hoges ;)
We'll have to organise a weekend with Gen 3's and Engine Hoists... lol :)

yeah well there's gotta be something to get me excited at my age:angel::wasntme:

[33chinacars]

Gen 3 & P38 sounds interesting :cool::cool:

Is the bar airbag compatable

Gary

[Keithy P38]

I think we need to meet! But the cylinder deactivation 6.0 would be going into mine!

Got any pics mate?

[glenhendry]

Pics or it isnt true! :)

How come none of us keen eyed P38 enthusiasts didnt see it advertised or hear about it getting done? I thought we knew every P38 in Oz ;)

[highrr]

Hi guys,

I bought the car off the company that did the conversion in NSW, they built it up for a Saudi Prince who lost interest in it and I happen to come along and buy it, he spent a fortune on it and it.

No lights come on everything works and seems to talk to everything.

If you want details you can call me on 0478740717 Ill take pics but dont know how to put them on here

[Keithy P38]

The company that did the conversion will no doubt be receiving a few phone calls!

When you go into "post reply" it will give you the option to add attachments. If you go via quick reply, hit the "go advanced" tab and it will take you there.

[PeterAllen]

Maybe John Davis from the old John Davis Motorworks at Annangrove is back in business. He use to do extended Range Rover Modifications for the Saudi's. It was his passion for the Rangie that infected me. Absolutely awesome guy and real professional.

[disco2_dan]

Davis never went out of business, his still going strong I believe the brother runs the shop now. I'm looking at getting my disco chipped there soon

[PeterAllen]

John as I understand it, parted ways with his brother in the business some time back late 1990'or 2000 and whilst that business continues to trade with Bruce, John has not been involved. I had heard that he then actual went to live in Dubai but that maybe just heresay.

[PeterAllen]

Just found out that John Davis is at a place called trucksntoys.
www.trucksntoys.com.au (http://www.trucksntoys.com.au).
I would say this is where the said vehicle was modified.

[BusinessConnected]

Just spoke with New Owner... he's paid a tiny amount for this car... (Bargain of the Year)....

He's local to me in Melbourne so I'm going to check it out once he gets it back.. (getting performance exhaust fitted at the moment)...

Couple of quick things
1) EAS is Bypassed... apparantely still pumped up with EAS Bypass Kit but no EAS Control in Car.
2) Still running 4HP22 Gearbox
3) No errors of dash or elsewhere...

I'll head down their with the Camera and I'll take some Pictures/Videos and let you guys know later in the week...

In the meantime... those who are more technically minded talk to me about things which have "proven difficult" in the past so I can have a look and see how they have solved certain issues.

Regards
Heath

[Hoges]

Some tech issues as requested::twisted:

This is a list of changes from the blokes who successfully did this conversion in the UK but unfortunately they ran out of funds to commercialise it properly. Their strategy was to retain the GEMS system and fit the crank/Cam/MAF etc sensors from the Rover V8 to the LS1 block.This means that essentially only the "iron work" is being replaced. However with a low end cam replacement and conservative mapping they were still getting 350 bhp on the dyno. Also, retaining the GEMS meant that Nanocom/Blackbox diagnostics still work...

Have a look at "EFLive" which enables the original LS1 system to be remapped to the "nth" degree and offers a lot more opportunity to get various "tunes" for very reasonable price...

In standard form the Gen 3 LS1 cam reaches max torque around 4000 rpm. A different cam offering good torque lower in the rev range would be a great advantage as mentioned. That's where "EFLive" is most useful because it enables one to reasonably tweak the maps, compare them in a spread sheet and adjust them numerous times to get it "just right"...

The List:

* Bellhousing changes and torque converter mountings
* Design/placement of engine mounts to accept the Gen 3
* Retain standard RR exhaust with fabricated adaptors or is it " custom "
* Upgraded fuel delivery system?
* some ancillaries (Aircon, PAS) prob needed to be relocated
* Same/different alternator? plus wiring arrangement
* The wiring loom would have needed to be modded
* Did they retain the GEMS system and use the RR sensors or use a different EMS altogether?
* did they retain the airbox or use a different one?
* did they retain the viscous coupled fan or put in an electric fan with an adjustable controller?

Excited as I am at a LS1 conversion :twisted: (having had an LS1 for about 10 yrs) I'm wondering if the UK TDV6 conversion might not be a better option ...

[highrr]

Well the car is back from getting a much better and louder exhaust on it, fitting a snorkel hopefully tomorrow and my mud tyres then hit the tracks

[justinc]

Some tech issues as requested::twisted:

This is a list of changes from the blokes who successfully did this conversion in the UK but unfortunately they ran out of funds to commercialise it properly. Their strategy was to retain the GEMS system and fit the crank/Cam/MAF etc sensors from the Rover V8 to the LS1 block.This means that essentially only the "iron work" is being replaced. However with a low end cam replacement and conservative mapping they were still getting 350 bhp on the dyno. Also, retaining the GEMS meant that Nanocom/Blackbox diagnostics still work...

Have a look at "EFLive" which enables the original LS1 system to be remapped to the "nth" degree and offers a lot more opportunity to get various "tunes" for very reasonable price...

In standard form the Gen 3 LS1 cam reaches max torque around 4000 rpm. A different cam offering good torque lower in the rev range would be a great advantage as mentioned. That's where "EFLive" is most useful because it enables one to reasonably tweak the maps, compare them in a spread sheet and adjust them numerous times to get it "just right"...

The List:

* Bellhousing changes and torque converter mountings
* Design/placement of engine mounts to accept the Gen 3
* Retain standard RR exhaust with fabricated adaptors or is it " custom "
* Upgraded fuel delivery system?
* some ancillaries (Aircon, PAS) prob needed to be relocated
* Same/different alternator? plus wiring arrangement
* The wiring loom would have needed to be modded
* Did they retain the GEMS system and use the RR sensors or use a different EMS altogether?
* did they retain the airbox or use a different one?
* did they retain the viscous coupled fan or put in an electric fan with an adjustable controller?

Excited as I am at a LS1 conversion :twisted: (having had an LS1 for about 10 yrs) I'm wondering if the UK TDV6 conversion might not be a better option ...

yup, more torque and better fuel economy. As exciting as a SB chevvy sounds at 5000rpm, its not what these vehicles are about. Tdv6 ( chipped:twisted:) all the way IMO.

Just my 2c.,

JC

[HEYVJ]

HSE... I Just want one! :D

[Keithy P38]

That's gold!

[Hoges]

It's interesting that the blokes in the UK (I mean "chaps" :D) who successfully did the LS1 swap, claimed 16mpg (17.5L/100km). They later converted the rig to sequential LPG.

Stock standard, the P38 currently revs at about 2300 rpm at 100kmh and approx 2550 @ 110kmh.

In the LS1 Commodore I had, 100km cruise was around 1800 rpm and a shade over 2000 rpm at 110 kmh. At 100kmh with 2 pax + light luggage it drank between 8.9 and 9.2 L/100km on a BNE-SYD run. The P38 does about 12.2 L/100km for the same run.

An LS1 in a P38 hooked up to the ZF box, we're looking at an additional 400kg approx of mass, plus with top gear in the P38 equating to 3rd gear in the Commodore, the LS1 would be revving 500 rpm higher at cruising speed...albeit with 1100cc extra displacement --so it's not surprising that the LS1 economy would suffer.

The "bodylogicuk" firm, who are offering the kit for the TDV6 conversion, are claiming 38mpg / approx 7.5 L/100km. The torque of the TDV6 in standard form is probably close to the limit anyway of the ZFHP24 transmission. The fact that the P38 is several hundred kg lighter than the L322/20 etc adds to the attractiveness of the package.

The issue here in Aus. is getting hold of a reliable TDV6 and different sump (from a Jag) plus ancillaries at a reasonable price, to make it all work...

Good discussion!
cheers

[highrr]

Can anyone tell me, the small plastic flares that go around the lip of the guards that I have seen on some p38, are they specific to P38's or are they of a disco 1 and then you cut them as you go?

[33chinacars]

For flares ( STC 8514 ) very very rare . Discontinued. Check other thread.

Gary

[Hoges]

Just bought a P38

Its got a Holden Gen 3 in it,
ARB air lockers
Bar and winch being fitted in the coming weeks and
265 75 16 BFG muddies then hit the bush.

bump...pics of install? :eek::twisted:

[highrr]

I'll post up pics tomorrow

[HEYVJ]

Hey highrr, I've been telling friends about your Rangie. They want to see pics, (so do I). Any chance you could post some photos?

Cheers,
HEYVJ

[Keithy P38]

No pressure or anything haha

[highrr]

photos

[highrr]

another one

[Keithy P38]

Looks like a tidy bit o gear mate! Bet it goes alright too hey?

[highrr]

it goes very very well, and the sound is awesome

[PaulP38a]

very nice, that engine bay looks completely chockers.

[HEYVJ]

And nobody would know any different from outside of that Rangie. Thanks for the pics Highrr

[highrr]

Thanks guys it's a wonderful car to drive, I will be out on some trips down here in Vic when they come up to meet some of you guys.

[Hoges]

Seems from the pics to have some interesting additions not normally seen on either the LS1 or the 4.6... for example, the brake setup seems different and the device beside the EAS box.. There appear to be a lot more hoses... has it been set up to run on LPG? Does the coolant reservoir contain green or red coolant... if it's green you should seriously consider changing it to red OAT with the aluminium LSx engine
cheers

[BusinessConnected]

I can see the LPG Reducer near the EAS Box.. So I assume its running on LPG :)

[highrr]

yes it is on LPG has 140 lts of it which is under the car in twin 70 ltr tanks, runs great.

[glenhendry]

Lets see some pics of those!! :)

[Hotdog]

Hi guys.

Any further progress on this. I have a P38 with a dead engine and a LS-1 in the garage, need to have it the other way round, LS-1 in the RR and the dead 4.6 sitting in the garage. Business connected was going to do a photo shoot and info summary......

Cheers

[benji]

Hotdog there's a guy out near Clunes / Cheswick way that's done this transplant. On fleabay his user name is dungaspares. Very approachsble bloke too.

[Hotdog]

Thanks Benji, will look into it.