Army vehicle disposal

[87County]

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RFSV/RSV/LRPV style which is the one thats got the highlift jack mounts and jacking points.


Dave, not all this style have been inletted (cut) for jacking points on the bar ends (which seems to have been an oversight)

[Blknight.aus]

Dave, not all this style have been inletted (cut) for jacking points on the bar ends (which seems to have been an oversight)

From what I remember, they originally came with the holes.
then highlifts were deemed taboo so the holes were deleted
then highlifts were ok again...

I've sent bars off to the swarfies to cut the holes into a bar and regal at least once.

I wasnt planning on getting all rivit counter anorak wearing about the small details just the major varients, (if you want me to list all the minor differences on the vehicles you might as well ask me to print out the individual vehicle history for the fleet. And NO.)

I thought the ARB bars were only on the sallyman 130's and the td5's (so didnt count them because they werent perentie)

[Barefoot Dave]

87County, no I won't be including details such as the bar because the Buyers guide is mainly for the 'Retail' crowd and focussed on discouraging buyers from stripping the vehicles by educating them on the intrinsic value of originality.

It is seeming more and more likely that there will be a follow up 'Perentie Project history' due to the sheer volume of info I am receiving/ uncovering.
That will be for the rivet counters.

[Summiitt]

I went up to the minto auction yard today with a view to bid on one of the Mack 6x6 trucks, was pretty impressed with the fact that the service history and presentation of the trucks was top rate, less than impressed that you couldn't start the trucks, nor would grays tell me what configurations were coming up in the upcoming auctions...less than ideal.

[weeds]

bumped into barefoot dave today at the brisbane auction.........could think of worst things to fill in my lunch 1/2 hour

more people looking around than the last auction

[isuzurover]

87County, no I won't be including details such as the bar because the Buyers guide is mainly for the 'Retail' crowd and focussed on discouraging buyers from stripping the vehicles by educating them on the intrinsic value of originality.

It is seeming more and more likely that there will be a follow up 'Perentie Project history' due to the sheer volume of info I am receiving/ uncovering.
That will be for the rivet counters.

If that is your main aim [bolded bit] - wouldn't it be better to release it free?

btw - even calling it a perentie would probably cut out most of the "retail" crowd as they probably wouldn't be aware of that name???

[weeds]

87County, no I won't be including details such as the bar because the Buyers guide is mainly for the 'Retail' crowd and focussed on discouraging buyers from stripping the vehicles by educating them on the intrinsic value of originality.

It is seeming more and more likely that there will be a follow up 'Perentie Project history' due to the sheer volume of info I am receiving/ uncovering.
That will be for the rivet counters.

opps......dave would have got a laugh out of our discussion today, if on the slight chance i do buy one than it will be stripped and look nothing like it come form the ARMY

[Barefoot Dave]

isuzurover, I explain better in the 'Buyers Guide' thread what I am doing.
The marketing and final form of the guide (and associated publications) hasn't been finalised yet, but rest assured, you won't have to buy it for me to promote their preservation. I promote AULRO and REMLR (both free sources of info) at every opportunity and only intend charging for the 'juicy'info I uncover through hard research.
In fact, I sent 4 potential members from the auctions this way today.

Weeds, after I have had my way with you, look out :mad:

;)

PS, Brisbane has a few Early (first 100) ARNs in this batch!

[frantic]

Schmik, It seems that human error is at work.
The blue slips for both the SnrCmdr and Carryall that I checked are incorrect, I guess they are suffering from a form of RSI because of the prevalance of GS vehicles.
To any REASONABLE person, they are clearly 5 door vehicles and both ADR compliance plates state 5 seats. This is what your state Authority will take notice of.
As for rear additional seating, prob not much chance in a GS/FFR. You would need to talk to a few engineers to find one that will even consider your plan. Most just want to say NO, too hard, but there are ones out there who will do their job and make a proper assessment.
As the Station wagons have similar seating to the civvy versions, you have a precedent, so shouldn't be a huge issue.
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IMHO if you can buy a new toymota troopie with 11 seats, 8 inward facing, lap belts ,then you should be able to register a 10 seat 2 door hard or soft top, as long as the belts meet 85-90 standards.

[Barefoot Dave]

Frantic, I agree. It should be easy to register as an 'Omnibus'.
The trick is convincing an engineer (and the Authority) that your seatbelt anchors meet or exceed those found in the Civvy LRs. Not impossible, but probably costly.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day all.
For those who are bidding on 48-029, and there is a notable absence of bidding from our friends in South West Bne ;)


Actual Ks are closer to 80 000, it had a speedo cable replaced~5000km ago
Log books show significant 'recent' maintenance, prior to pre-sale storage
Clearly a very early supply notable in its external catches for the CES bins, pre- 'T'pin latching
Canvas has rare 'Stellar view' interior. aka lotsa little holes that make constellations when fiewed from inside. Needs new canvas.
Definately NOT part of the 'Tenix' rebuild program.

I hope he finds a caring home, there seems to be a lot of interest from small towns, so Good luck AULRO/REMLR ; ))

A couple of the 6x6s are a very good buy. I strongly suggest you call me if you are considering one.
I had a fair look at most of the vehicles there, excl. the BIG trucks, so PM if you have any Q's but didn't get to inspect.

[Barefoot Dave]

Any Active members (6 months/ 50+posts) bidding on the 'RFSRV', Lot 3/ 51-640, in Perth, PM me for some important info!

[schmik]

I'll wait this one out... maybe learn to weld first.

Interesting, 3 hours to go and the prices seem more reasonable than last time.

Might go mad right at the end.

[funkyfedaykin]

I missed the end of the auction, did anybody get a list of the final prices?

I'm mostly interested in the average 4x4 & 6x6 price for Brisbane this time round.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Funky, PM your email address, I have the prices.

[Mick_Marsh]

I missed the end of the auction, did anybody get a list of the final prices?

I'm mostly interested in the average 4x4 & 6x6 price for Brisbane this time round.
The 6x6 I was interested in was over $20k so that's over $24k out the door.

[isuzutoo-eh]

But the Ambos went cheaper than the cargo and personel carriers! Didn't see that coming.
I guess the majority of sixbys are going as farm hacks.

[DeeJay]

I missed the end of the auction, did anybody get a list of the final prices?

I'm mostly interested in the average 4x4 & 6x6 price for Brisbane this time round.


All you need do is save the web page & re visit after the auction, they are still loaded,
Anyway, some 6X6 Prices were
Ambo lot 009 b $16,009
Ambo lot 010 $17,909
Cargo lot 012 $24,609
Infantry Carrier lot 013 $25,309
Cargo lot 011 $18,109

Cheers, David

[James P B]

Hi Guys - have been trying to find when the next aucion date will be does anyone have an idea?

Thanks Jim

[isuzutoo-eh]

Hi Guys - have been trying to find when the next aucion date will be does anyone have an idea?

Thanks Jim

You are best off calling Graysonline/Australian Frontline Machinery to find out the next auction date, they usually don't list future auction dates till they know what is going to be auctioned though.

[weeds]

I wonder where the next Brisbane auction will be???

When I drove past today the building had For Lease signs displayed

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day Gents.
a couple of the IIMVs were Tenix rebuilds. Yep, ground up 3 yrs ago. ~$25K for a mostly new vehicle= Pretty good value!
The Blood boxes were not is good condition, one had a cracked corner on the pod.
I would imagine that most dealers want a quick turn around so are aiming for 6X6s in GS or IIMV (strip seats out and put racks in for tradies).

Kelvin, one of the fellas at grays said that locaton was on month to month lease. Maybe they have decided to move to a more 'Presentable' location.

[303gunner]

I wonder where the next Brisbane auction will be???

When I drove past today the building had For Lease signs displayed
Last one (http://www.graysonline.com/sale/7003801/transport-trucks-and-trailers/ex-military-trucks-landrovers-ambulance-trailers'spr=true) was at 179 Fison Ave, Eagle Farm.

This one (http://www.graysonline.com/sale/7003877/motor-vehicles-motor-cycles/unreserved-ex-military-light-cargo-trailers'spr=true) will be at 130 Macarthur Ave, Eagle Farm.

[weeds]

There you go I haven't been checking in on the auction site

[Barefoot Dave]

Well, stap me vittels!
6xRFSVs in one place and nothing else!!
Townsville, looks like Delta 51has their MBs.

*looking around to see what i can sell to get a couple*
:D

[spudboy]

... stap me vittels!
...


:confused:

[Bearman]

Well, stap me vittels!
6xRFSVs in one place and nothing else!!
Townsville, looks like Delta 51has their MBs.

*looking around to see what i can sell to get a couple*
:D

Yep, they are all ex 51, I had a look over them today. It appears 3 of them have had the major rebuild.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day Brian. I agree, some of those look VERY good. The Delta Dog is a give away!

I am tossing up between flying South or North for inspections, videoing the vehicles for sale.....WATCH THIS SPACE!
North for quality, South for quantity.

Would be good to walk and talk with an AULROvian at the same time.
PM if anyone is interested.

[pasi]

G'Day Brian. I agree, some of those look VERY good. The Delta Dog is a give away!

I am tossing up between flying South or North for inspections, videoing the vehicles for sale.....WATCH THIS SPACE!
North for quality, South for quantity.

Would be good to walk and talk with an AULROvian at the same time.
PM if anyone is interested.

hello barefoot dave,

did you get a look at the ones in the middle (brisbane)? what did you make of those? personally don't know anything about them, but most started ok. the 6X6 left me speechless; 3343 km, 237 engine hs, 1353 hs maintenance hours. there's your tax dollar at work! wonder how much they cost new...

cheers,

pasi

[THE BOOGER]

That sounds like a rebuilt one

[pvp89]

hello barefoot dave,

did you get a look at the ones in the middle (brisbane)? what did you make of those? personally don't know anything about them, but most started ok. the 6X6 left me speechless; 3343 km, 237 engine hs, 1353 hs maintenance hours. there's your tax dollar at work! wonder how much they cost new...

cheers,

pasi

Had a look at the BNE ones on Friday - there were a few good ones in the bunch but most looked pretty tired. Cobwebs, etc inside - looked as though they had been sitting outside for a while. One or two seemed to have rust in the doors, but all looked as though they would still function. Logbooks seemed to show that a few were from 9FSB at Amberley.

[pasi]

Had a look at the BNE ones on Friday - there were a few good ones in the bunch but most looked pretty tired. Cobwebs, etc inside - looked as though they had been sitting outside for a while. One or two seemed to have rust in the doors, but all looked as though they would still function. Logbooks seemed to show that a few were from 9FSB at Amberley.

hello pvp89,

yeah, i'd agree with that, but then again friday was only the third time i saw a perentie in my life. i spent a good deal of last friday on the lot, maybe we talked there? sure they looked better than a 1980ish hunting truck i drove a few months back!

here's the question for people down south; are the ones in minto this time a particularly miserable lot? or is the current bidding just a natural development of supply and demand? they seem to have lower kms than the ones at eagle farm, where i noticed only one or two to have had speedo changes or something really particular in the maintenance logs.

trying to get into the witchcraft of perentie auctioning,

pasi

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day Pasi.
I am haunting the Bris Auction today and Minto tomorrow (Jetsetter that i am ;))
Will give some comparisons then.
Value?
I have seen rebuilds that were valued 18months ago at $135,000 sell for
$18, 000. Others that are worth$4000 go for $8000!?
The auctions and information on the stock can be hard to wrap your head around.
That is why I am writing my Ex-Military Vehicles buyers guides, to cut through the lack of knowledge and BS that fills the gap.

This way the average punter can buy better and have more of an idea of what they are getting.

[pasi]

G'Day Pasi.
I am haunting the Bris Auction today and Minto tomorrow (Jetsetter that i am ;))
Will give some comparisons then.
Value?
I have seen rebuilds that were valued 18months ago at $135,000 sell for
$18, 000. Others that are worth$4000 go for $8000!?
The auctions and information on the stock can be hard to wrap your head around.
That is why I am writing my Ex-Military Vehicles buyers guides, to cut through the lack of knowledge and BS that fills the gap.

This way the average punter can buy better and have more of an idea of what they are getting.

thanks for flying for us barefoot dave!

looking forward to your findings. what comforts me is that the ute i would have bet for in brisbane is (for the moment) getting the highest bid (after a slow start). either i picked a good one or a bunch of others have been fooled as well. what kind of a time line are you on with your buyer's guide? will it be printed or only on line? sounds like an interesting and useful project, especially at this point in time.

cheers,

pasi

[Barefoot Dave]

G'day Pasi, glad to help.
Please see the Perentie Buyers guide thread for updates. I don't want to hijack this one too much.

[isuzutoo-eh]

I had a look at the Minto auction on Saturday, by and large they weren't the cream of the crop. Lots of faded and worn canvas, the ambo has one corner of the roof roughly patched, there was a civvy part on one of the 110s that had been patched and modified to be similar to the original spec-done during service after damage according to the log book. Some had log books missing too, and only one had a winch-which didn't have a cable. It may become a 'buyer beware' scenario before too long.

[Barefoot Dave]

Gday all.
My spies inform me a great deal about the RFSVs in Townsville (thanks Bearman).
Again, if you are a member of 6month/50posts, pm me.

[pvp89]

hello pvp89,

yeah, i'd agree with that, but then again friday was only the third time i saw a perentie in my life. i spent a good deal of last friday on the lot, maybe we talked there? sure they looked better than a 1980ish hunting truck i drove a few months back!


Put it this way - most didn't look any worse than many I've seen lately in service. The dust, grime, etc in the back would clean out without too much trouble (a hose) - you'd get just as much garabage in them on the average exercise.

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day all.Well it has been a very busy and productive 5 days.
Fast tracked the Guide site, check out Bris Auctions briefly, shot off to Minto where I caught up with Isuzutoo-eh and 303Gunner. Thanks Gents, for your contributions.
Chatted with a LCH Captain that had played with Tville troopies, drop-offs and pick ups on beaches around the top end.
More confirmation that most people coming to the auctions have no real idea of what they are buying. Guide available in 14 days.

In case it had been missed; Old timer GS 48-028 is in Bris at this auction, tired but honest with 117K ks on the clock. Sorry, didn't see the log, so can't say any more.

Some Spy shots following.

[pasi]

G'Day all.Well it has been a very busy and productive 5 days.
Fast tracked the Guide site, check out Bris Auctions briefly, shot off to Minto where I caught up with Isuzutoo-eh and 303Gunner. Thanks Gents, for your contributions.
Chatted with a LCH Captain that had played with Tville troopies, drop-offs and pick ups on beaches around the top end.
More confirmation that most people coming to the auctions have no real idea of what they are buying. Guide available in 14 days.

In case it had been missed; Old timer GS 48-028 is in Bris at this auction, tired but honest with 117K ks on the clock. Sorry, didn't see the log, so can't say any more.

Some Spy shots following.

hello fellow auction goers,

was that exiting or what!? a mad rush to the finish line. i'm smiling in front my screen at the insanity of it all. my budget got busted early on. it feels like a relief since i really had no clue on what i'd be buying. now i'll just wait for the buyer's guide and keep educating myself.

couple notions though. barefoot dave, will you include a section in your guide that explains the auction system? grays most likely has their tricks that no-one knows, but i think the publication of bids could be clarified to the public. i noticed in a couple instances (eagle farm vehicles) the bids to show very late on the bidding history in regards of their original bidding times. an example; vehicle no. 17 was taken at 7909$. two bids at this amount came in at 4:39:47 pm (bid time). the original bid time for the winner was 1:27:42 pm and for the loser 4:29:38. who can explain that?

the other thing that seems obvious is the heavy "owner's bidding" going on at the very beginning of the auction. i mean, why would the same person start bidding on several vehicles at two to three grand when you could start at 109$? of course it didn't seem to change the outcome - it's more than an hour past the "end" and in minto they're still going at it. and prices are very similar to those that eagle farm finished at.

cheers,

pasi

[Disco Muppet]

the other thing that seems obvious is the heavy "owner's bidding" going on at the very beginning of the auction. i mean, why would the same person start bidding on several vehicles at two to three grand when you could start at 109$? of course it didn't seem to change the outcome - it's more than an hour past the "end" and in minto they're still going at it. and prices are very similar to those that eagle farm finished at.


Probably putting in bets for the two or three they'd be prepared to walk away with, giving them a back up if the others get too high.
Can backfire though, mate of mine did it with the trailers and he won both of them :D

[Lotz-A-Landies]

$10,504:49 final price isn't too bad in comparison to the early auctions.

[Mick_Marsh]

Poor unemployed me had to watch as the one I so desperately wanted went over the $20k mark.
So, I did what any grown man would do, I put my head in my hands and cried.
I howled.
I howled like a newborn.
But, dear readers, there is news. It looks as if I will have a three month job.
Prepare yourself. Get yourselves cashed up for the next auction. I will be bidding with a vengeance. I will leave no survivors.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The FFR was still open a couple of minutes ago - $11K is better than $20K!

[juddy]

what did the Station wagons end up going for?

[Barefoot Dave]

:banana::banana::banana::twobeers::twobeers::ehigh 5::ehigh5::woot::woot::woot::banana::banana::banan a:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/508.jpg
52-699 Sold to the man in the Happy Hat!!

RFSV b'long me'pela.
Not my old mate, but it is a good start.

Folks,take no notice of the ~$10K variation in prices in Townsville, they were all worth about the same $13-15 range.
Human psychology at work!
Mr B from Bris/ Gold area, well played sir, you have a bargain! A rebuilt RFSV for GS prices!!
Want to drive back in convoy and share tools?
That would be sweet!
Or we could share the cost of a backload?
PM me.

I haven't looked at the other auctions yet, I'm of to celebrate a VERRRRYY productive week!

Thanks a HUUUUUUUUUGGE amount to Bearman, mate you have no idea how much you helped:BigThumb::TakeABow::TakeABow::BigThumb::Big Thumb::TakeABow::TakeABow:@ Bearman!
Me in Brisbane outskirts had Download speeds of 1/10th that of B'Man way up the coast in the Dark North and he kept me updated on the vehicles I was bidding on while I tapped my fingers waiting for a refresh :censored:
Almost pulled what little hair I had left out ;)
Not to mention spending his precious time gathering info that helped a few members here make decisions.
You are a scholar and a gentleman.

[87County]

what did the Station wagons end up going for?

$16,209 and $15,509 Juddy

don't forget to add 1/6th of this + rego, sd & greenslip & insurance, call it about $20k ea by the time you fill it up

[sheerluck]

Poor unemployed me had to watch as the one I so desperately wanted went over the $20k mark.
So, I did what any grown man would do, I put my head in my hands and cried.
I howled.
I howled like a newborn.
But, dear readers, there is news. It looks as if I will have a three month job.
Prepare yourself. Get yourselves cashed up for the next auction. I will be bidding with a vengeance. I will leave no survivors.

Good news about the job, Mick. Buy yourself an early Christmas pressie at Grays!

[dingsy]

$16,209 and $15,509 Juddy

don't forget to add 1/6th of this + rego, sd & greenslip & insurance, call it about $20k ea by the time you fill it up

The one I bought in the previous auction had 3/4 of a tank - pleasantly surprised, was expecting a smidge above empty!

[juddy]

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[303gunner]

hello fellow auction goers,
Barefoot dave, will you include a section in your guide that explains the auction system? Grays most likely has their tricks that no-one knows, but i think the publication of bids could be clarified to the public. i noticed in a couple instances (eagle farm vehicles) the bids to show very late on the bidding history in regards of their original bidding times. an example; vehicle no. 17 was taken at $7909. two bids at this amount came in at 4:39:47 pm (bid time). the original bid time for the winner was 1:27:42 pm and for the loser 4:29:38. who can explain that?

cheers,

pasi
There are no tricks in the Grays bidding system, it's just that it's all a bit different to what we've become accustomed to with E-bay.

There are two ways to place a bid, a standard bid or Autobid.

A Standard bid is just like if you were physically standing in an auction room and call out a bid. No matter how much higher than the previous bid, it becomes the new price until outbid in turn (unlike E-bay). Sure, you cold throw in a bid on a GS for $109, but there is no way that will ever get up. Bidding $509 for a Unimog is just a joke. You could fast-track the process by bidding $5009, but still not be certain of winning. You will need to place another bid each time your outbid to stay in the running. However, placing early low bids on a number of vehicles could work to your advantage after you have had the chance to inspect the vehicles on inspection day.

The other type of bid is Autobid. The bid price will only go to an amount to exceed another previous bidders amount, provided it is under the limit you set (same as E-bay). If other later bids are placed by others, the amount will be the same as their bid, but you will remain the winning bid as your bid was placed first (different to e-bay). The winner's time stamp on their bid will be earlier.

At any time, you can increase your bid, even if you are winning at that time, and can place a standard bid or autobid. So in the example above, you could place a standard bid of $5009, then top it up withan Autobid of $8009. You will only be shown as having placed 1 bid (different to E-bay, which will show 2 bids), and will continue to be the winning bidder up to, and including, a bid of $8009.

If another bidder bids $8109 or higher, they then become the winning bidder. You can then place another bid of say $8509, and the time stamp for your bid remains the same as your very first bid. The earlier timestamp works to your advantage in the case of any equal bids, so just like voting, you should BID EARLY AND BID OFTEN!

This is not an unfair set of rules, it's just different. Maybe it does encourage bidders to get involved sooner rather than just be a watcher, and it does prevent "sniping", but ultimately like any other auction, it's always the highest bidder that wins.

[pasi]

thank you kindly for your answer gunner303.

you explain the auctioning system very clearly. i was not aware of how it works. this info is very useful and will really help in future bidding.

cheers,

pasi

[juddy]

Well it did not take long for one to come on carsales

Should have bought the lot of them.:p

I think this is the one that sold for just under 12k less ( costs ) so a very large profit it it sells at that.

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[pasi]

Isn't the value of pretty much any commodity what someone is willing to pay for it? would being able to test drive a road worthy car with rego add that much value? maybe yes, maybe no. cousins have plenty in their lot at lower prices.

[Barefoot Dave]

Pasi, you have a couple of points.
Remember that these are new vehicle to the retail Market, it will take a while for the market to get a 'feel'for them and more stock to adjust the prices.
The vehicle juddy showed isn't just any old GS or FFR.
It is a special Surveillance variant that is designed to travel long distances cross country, one of only 220ish in existence. On top of the normal Perentis spec of Isuzu engine and galv chassis it has;
" § 4 Pin front diff
§ Long range fuel tanks (second 43lt tank under Front Passenger seat, no battery there).
§ 2x double Jerry racks on the rear
§ Enough space to fit a 200lt drum of diesel between the spares for Exxxxxtra long range. NOT recommended!
§ Dual batteries located in Left front bin (like FFR), Right bin is a sealed box for naughty magazines (or other sensitive documents and equipment)
§ Rear power points
§ Originally came with roof racks for a tinny. No, Really! For riverine patrolling.
§ Brush bars on the side
§ Split rims +3 spares (2 mounted inside the ROPS)
§ Dunlop High-Miler Extra grip tyres. Great grip and strong, but LOUD!!!
§ 1 central rear-facing seat
§ Higher ROPS and roofline for rear passenger.
§ 2 Large removable Rear Storage bins where GS has seats.
§ Front bar mounting for Hilift/ Farm/ Wallaby jack. Front and rear bars have cut-outs for lifting points on either side.
§ Jack to suit, in addition to standard hydraulic. Hilift for recovery purposes only, they flex dangerously high before a wheel comes off the ground. Just don’t!
§ Extensive tool kit in addition to standard CES.
§ Under-bonnet mechanical Air compressor with 6m hose. Some have been retrofitted with an electric one.
§ Not 1, but 2 snorkels. A long and a short one for when the screen is up or down.
§ A grass catching cover for the radiator grill
§ Lastly, but by no means least: Power Assisted Steering! Makes cross country work a breeze. Just don’t turn the wheel when stationary or a Transport Sergeant will jump out and make you do 10 push-ups!"


So, you decide if it is worth that much.
Wanting only for Aircon, it is ready for log distance touring with a range of 1500km per refill.
That said, prices ranged from ~$8500-~$18500 for essentially the same quality of vehicle. None were trash, none treasure. All had major to extensive rebuilds in the last 6 years.
A Rebuilt GS just went for $11000 and it was very average on the outside, while an un-rebuilt vehicle went for only $2K less!?
The more I see, the more I realise most buyers have no concept of the vehicles' value.
And yes, the guide is in high gear and set for release in a couple of weeks.
;)

[87County]

And yes, the guide is in high gear and set for release in a couple of weeks.
;)

and we're all looking forward to reading it !

[303gunner]

Well it did not take long for one to come on carsales

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/08/468.jpg (http://s856.photobucket.com/user/juddyburton/media/Screenshot2013-08-23at74457AM_zps5d75dda3.png.html)
Note that they have had to use the Auction photos as they cannot even pick the vehicle up from AFM until Monday! I might send them a message and say I will be happy to pay that much but I want to pick it up on Saturday. That's assuming, of course, that the person who placed the ad is actually the winner of the auction item. :o

[Mick_Marsh]

Note that they have had to use the Auction photos as they cannot even pick the vehicle up from AFM until Monday! I might send them a message and say I will be happy to pay that much but I want to pick it up on Saturday. That's assuming, of course, that the person who placed the ad is actually the winner of the auction item. :o
Or it's not one from an earlier auction.

[pasi]

thanks for the info again barefoot dave,

honestly, can't wait for your guide. how do you know all these specs? ok, if there are 220 vehicles of any type in the world in existence, i suppose that could be considered a very rare commodity. personally i'm not necessarily thinking of restoring one if i ever won at an auction, but i wish these less common types would end up in hands that take care of them and understand their future value. one word, heritage.

cheers,

pasi

[Barefoot Dave]

303, nice one. Makes a change from me challenging people using others photos to advertise the same product. I've recieved more than one spray from sellers doing this!

Mick, This is definately Lot4 from this week in Townsville, because the winner outbid me. See if you recognise the pics?
Land Rover 110 4x4 Surveillance Soft Top 07/1991 Auction (0004-7003916) | GraysOnline Australia (http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0004-7003916/transport-trucks-and-trailers/land-rover-110-4x4-surveillance-soft-top-06-1991)

PS, Price drop by $5000! hmm
Pasi, If I told you where I found this info, I would have to kill you ;)

No mate, the knowledge is out there, you just have to know to the right people.
I have sources that have 30-40years each in RAEME and others with many years as operators of the vehicles.
The hard bit is getting all that info into a manageable format.
Speaking of which, I need to stop chatting here and get back to the grind-stone.

[87County]

Speaking of which, I need to stop chatting here and get back to the grind-stone.


Yep, (cracks whip) :D

[Benz]

I just saw Pat Callinan owns one of the unimogs sold recently.

Very keen to see where he takes it

[iClick]

Interesting 6x6 with camper combo just popped up on eBay: 6x6 Perenti with slide on camper (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/campervan-landrover-6x6-with-2005-trailblazer-slide-on-camper-/221275112662?pt=AU_Caravans_RVs&hash=item33850644d6&_uhb=1)
Perhaps a comfortable bed is a great treat after a long day behind the wheel of a Perenti :p

[Disco Muppet]

Interesting 6x6 with camper combo just popped up on eBay: Slide ON Camper in South Eastern, NSW | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/slide-on-camper-/290968119841)
Perhaps a comfortable bed is a great treat after a long day behind the wheel of a Perenti :p

Uhmmm....where's the 6X6 in that listing? :p

[goingbush]

Uhmmm....where's the 6X6 in that listing? :p

it must have driven it out from under that slide-on

try here

Campervan Landrover 6x6 With 2005 Trailblazer Slide ON Camper | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/campervan-landrover-6x6-with-2005-trailblazer-slide-on-camper-/221275112662?pt=AU_Caravans_RVs&hash=item33850644d6&_uhb=1)

i would not want to have to get a new windscreen for one, (having just had mine collect a rock)

check out the guys other stuff for sale

[87County]

check out the guys other stuff for sale

a 6X6 110 AND an Iveco Daily !

= all those detroit diesels !

[U1700]

Did anyone validate that the soft top 110's can be road registered without rops certification ?

I am interested to see that buyers guide mentioned earlier when its posted here.

this is my first post so i cant PM members yet ??

I have been watching these auctions since day one but in my opinion there is still an "irrational buyers frenzy" and i wont be paying anything like the prices being hit.

there are thousands to be sold , and so far i think there is some very poor research with many buyers not even inspecting the vehicles before they bid.

having said that though , i have seen alot of military equipment that was purchased and never used except to move them for servicing purposes ( talking everything from bulldozers to trucks ) , but some of you guys have service history records which i would love to see.

be patient guys , the dealers will stop when they fill up their storage yards and the prices will come down when buyers remorse filters through the forums.

[THE BOOGER]

Did anyone validate that the soft top 110's can be road registered without rops certification ?

I am interested to see that buyers guide mentioned earlier when its posted here.

this is my first post so i cant PM members yet ??

I have been watching these auctions since day one but in my opinion there is still an "irrational buyers frenzy" and i wont be paying anything like the prices being hit.

there are thousands to be sold , and so far i think there is some very poor research with many buyers not even inspecting the vehicles before they bid.

having said that though , i have seen alot of military equipment that was purchased and never used except to move them for servicing purposes ( talking everything from bulldozers to trucks ) , but some of you guys have service history records which i would love to see.

be patient guys , the dealers will stop when they fill up their storage yards and the prices will come down when buyers remorse filters through the forums.

There have been plenty registered and so far nobody has had any problems with rops, lack of keys or asbestos:D

[U1700]

There have been plenty registered and so far nobody has had any problems with rops, lack of keys or asbestos:D

Dash mounted ignition barrel is only $65 plus fitting

Thanks for the answer on the ROPS issue

Now the fun bit . Has anyone done an air con conversion and what did they use ?

:)

[Sprint]

Wtf do you want aircon for????

[U1700]

:D:D

someone needs to harden up :)



i am going to assume that you dont own this website so why insult people who come here to share in it ?

do you invite guests to your home then f@rt in their face mate ?

[Sprint]

Just kinda confused at all the people who buy a tough as nails no frills 4wd then ponce it up with all the mod cons instead of buying an earlier defender with aircon and power steering, almost as tough and less potential parts issues.....

[Sprint]

Nevermind how many of them will be toorak tractors for 50-odd weeks of the yeat....

[JamesB71]

Saw a very cool looking one in the main street of Katoomba this morning. Was good to see.

[weeds]

i get away every second weekend and have 3 - 4 trips a year of 3 - 8 weeks duration.

No i have never been to Toorak , is she a tough track to get to digga ? :censored:

i am guessing you have spent alot of time in the Pilbarra , Tanami , NT so you can hold a sound view on my inquiry if AC is do-able

cheers guys . welcome to the room.

Welcome to the forum.....don't worry about all the knockers on here. If you end up with one do as you please......if I get my hands on one it would be transformed to look nothing like an ex-army car and would have some creature comforts added

[THE BOOGER]

So are looking to make a tourer out of a 110 or a unimog like you forum name suggests :D

[slug_burner]

U1700,


Have a look at the Red Dot units Military | Red Dot Corporation | Mobile HVAC (http://www.rdac.com/markets/military)

[usi]

If anyone is chasing the part numbers for the FFR Distribution box plugs here they are

ITT-CANNON

MS3106F20-19P - Conn MS 03 Way Cable Mtg (Large 3 Pin plug)

MS25043-20DS - Conn MS Cap Shell Size 30 3100/3101/3102 (Large Dust Cap Cover)

MS3106F12S-3P - Conn Ms 02 Way Male Cable Mtg (Small 2 Pin Plug)

Hope this helps someone, they worked out reasonably cheap from Australia which was a bonus!

[Barefoot Dave]

G'day usi.
Thanks mate, sorry i couldn't help you with those.
I think i have every other parts schedule though.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

If anyone is chasing the part numbers for the FFR Distribution box plugs here they are

ITT-CANNON

MS3106F20-19P - Conn MS 03 Way Cable Mtg (Large 3 Pin plug)

MS25043-20DS - Conn MS Cap Shell Size 30 3100/3101/3102 (Large Dust Cap Cover)

MS3106F12S-3P - Conn Ms 02 Way Male Cable Mtg (Small 2 Pin Plug)

Hope this helps someone, they worked out reasonably cheap from Australia which was a bonus!And from whom did you acquire them cheaply? :)

[usi]

Connector-Tech ALS Queensland

[dfendr]

At Last an auction in Melbourne next week at Cheltenham

[U1700]

So are looking to make a tourer out of a 110 or a unimog like you forum name suggests :D

;)

You could say tourer but imagine a winch front and back

Not the average 4by

[U1700]

I just inspected the Sydney auction and those log books / service books are a MUST READ folks


Vehicles odometers have been replaced on every unimog for a start

One of them has been replaced 4 times , its true km are around the 278,000 km mark yet the grays listing shows its current odo at 0000070 ( no brainer )

another one listed as having 50690 km is closer to 194,000

and those cranes are out of service and not legal for use under current OHS laws.

.

now i have a question on the landies , can the brake fluid be replaced with synthetic or will that damage the seals in the master and slave cylinders ?

I have noticed that some of them have seized up slave cylinders from sitting for long periods so am i right in assuming that only mineral oil will absorb moisture while synthetic will not ?

thanks.

[Landy Smurf]

I wish I could have inspected the minto lot as I am watching them but dont like the idea of buying sight unseen. I assume they are all able to drive out of there ok since they have a blue slip , is this assumption wrong?

[U1700]

I wish I could have inspected the minto lot as I am watching them but dont like the idea of buying sight unseen. I assume they are all able to drive out of there ok since they have a blue slip , is this assumption wrong?

I wouldnt make that assumption

Grays forbid any vehicles from being started which didnt impress me.

One Unimog had seized up rear brakes yet it "had a NSW brown slip" ( same as a blue slip for vehicles under 4500 kg GVM )
I know its brakes are seized because there is a thick layer of rust on the rear brake discs , yet the front discs are shiny.
there is also brake fluid dripping out of either the clutch or brake master cylinder , ( the levers that the pedals are attached to are wet with fluid )

how did that pass an engineers inspection ?

Its a gamble , you might get one that you can get rego for without a hitch and drive around without mechanical issues but the odds could be anything from 10 - 70 % .

throw pins at a dart board ?

[Landy Smurf]

I dont think I can risk the gamble by the sounds of it :'(

[Landy Smurf]

they went pretty cheap this auction , I wish I got to go down and have a look

[dfendr]

Rover - 110 - 6X6 - Mortar Carrier Soft Top 10/1997

Lot No: 0001-3003693
AU$22,609

Sold


Sold
Land Rover - 110 - 4X4 Personnel Carrier Hard Top Wagon 5/1988


Land Rover - 110 - 4X4 Personnel Carrier Hard Top Wagon 5/1988

Lot No: 0002-3003693
AU$13,809

Sold


Sold
Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 Surveillance Soft Top 7/1991


Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 Surveillance Soft Top 7/1991

Lot No: 0003-3003693
AU$13,709

Sold


Sold
Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 - FFR Soft Top - 8/1990


Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 - FFR Soft Top - 8/1990

Lot No: 0004-3003693
AU$9,009

Sold


Sold
Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 - FFR Soft Top 6/1989


Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 - FFR Soft Top 6/1989

Lot No: 0005-3003693
AU$12,109

Sold


Sold
Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 - FFR Soft Top 10/1989


Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 - FFR Soft Top 10/1989

Lot No: 0006-3003693
AU$8,109

Sold


Sold
Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 - FFR Soft Top 3/1989


Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 - FFR Soft Top 3/1989

Lot No: 0007-3003693
AU$8,809

Sold


Sold
Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 -Cargo Soft Top 11/1989


Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 -Cargo Soft Top 11/1989

Lot No: 0008-3003693
AU$8,209

Sold


Sold
Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 Cargo Soft Top 12/1988


Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 Cargo Soft Top 12/1988

Lot No: 0010-3003693
AU$9,009

Sold


Sold
Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 Cargo Soft Top 7/1988


Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 Cargo Soft Top 7/1988

Lot No: 0011-3003693
AU$9,509

Sold


Sold
Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 Cargo Soft Top 7/1988


Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 Cargo Soft Top 7/1988

Lot No: 0012-3003693
AU$9,309

Sold


Sold
Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 Cargo Soft Top 2/1988


Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 Cargo Soft Top 2/1988

Lot No: 0013-3003693
AU$7,409

Sold


Sold
Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 Cargo Soft Top 4/1988


Land Rover – 110 - 4X4 Cargo Soft Top 4/1988

Lot No: 0014-3003693
AU$8,609

Sold


Sold
Cargo Trailer Australian No.5 half tonne, 1985


Cargo Trailer Australian No.5 half tonne, 1985

Lot No: 0016-3003693
AU$609

Sold


Sold
Cargo Trailer Australian No.5 half tonne, 1985


Cargo Trailer Australian No.5 half tonne, 1985

Lot No: 0019-3003693
AU$1,009

Sold


Sold
Cargo Trailer Australian No.5 half tonne, 1985


Cargo Trailer Australian No.5 half tonne, 1985

Lot No: 0020-3003693
AU$509

Sold


Sold
Cargo Trailer Australian No.5 half tonne, 1985


Cargo Trailer Australian No.5 half tonne, 1985

Lot No: 0021-3003693
AU$609

Sold


Sold
Cargo Trailer Australian No.5 half tonne, 1985


Cargo Trailer Australian No.5 half tonne, 1985

Lot No: 0026-3003693
AU$1,009

Sold

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[U1700]

they went pretty cheap this auction , I wish I got to go down and have a look

Yes . the prices are falling

there will probably be 2 or 3 more auctions this year and then ongoing

there are 2280 more of them to be sold yet


The quality of todays items was quite poor , just keep in mind they are getting rid of the worst ones first and holding on to the best for operational duty until they have the new vehicles come through.

I am super super keen to get one but the hand that holds my wallet is not a fool.

:D

[Landy Smurf]

I think I would be happy to pay about 8K for a decent one, mainly because for more money I would sooner go for a 110defender s/w with a 300tdi in it.

[Barefoot Dave]

Minto, Bris and FINALLY: Adelaide.
Oct 10-16.

[Mick_Marsh]

Minto, Bris and FINALLY: Adelaide.
Oct 10-16.
Ssshhhhh!
I'm after something in the Adelaide auction.

[cinan]

Does anyone know when the next auction will be in Melbourne ? also any knowledge of how many of the 4 door 110 Senior Commanders the ADF has and how many left ?

[spudboy]

Ssshhhhh!
I'm after something in the Adelaide auction.

So what are you after????

I don't really need any other projects in my life, but I feel I will be tempted to take a wander around the Adelaide vehicles when it open later this week.

Am hoping there is Surveillance 110 there to take a look at, as they seem the most interesting to me. They come with a winch and even have power steering!!

Catalog released on Thursday.

Cheers
David

[ellard]

Hi there

I think I need a trailer for my Command Post FFR.....as long as there not silly prices.

Wayne

[87County]

Interesting to see that graysonline copped a bluey for spam emails.

GraysOnline fined record $165,000 for spam (http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/graysonline-fined-record-165000-for-spam-20131009-2v78c.html)

Best not to use your "best" e-mail address when signing up to bid with them I guess

[mudmouse]

Yes, their website once had a photo of a Centurion MBT getting cut up in a yard....:(

Matt.

[MLD]

For those interested the Australian Frontline Machinery auction commences at 4pm 10 Oct until 16 Oct. Search military on Graysonline.

Anyone for a Unimog to bash around the local bushland?

MLD

[sheerluck]

Yes, there's a long running thread here http://www.aulro.com/afvb/military-vehicles-general/165101-army-vehicle-disposal.html

[Landy Smurf]

Sale is up and is quite big at least for nsw

[isuzutoo-eh]

A surveillance with 10km on the odo...hmmm

[spudboy]

The Adelaide one is up too. Apart from 2 x 6x6 units, they are all bog standard units.

I was hoping for at least 1 Surveillance unit to go and check it out :(

[Barefoot Dave]

I can send you pictures of mine if you would like:wasntme:

[Barefoot Dave]

Interesting to see a vehicle with no VIN plate also has what appears to be a new canopy and water jerry.
Sweeteners, anybody?

[87County]

- well spotted (SA Special?).

[Welby]

I see one of the RFSV's has had some serious paintwork recently.
I would be keen on hearing from anyone who has visually inspected these as to their thoughts.
Thanks

[Barefoot Dave]

Welby, which RFSVs? All 3 auctions have some.
Lot #s would help.
I have had a good look at the Bris ones today.

[spudboy]

There aren't any RFSV's in Adelaide are there? I checked out the catalog, and didn't see one at all.

[circlework]

By my reckoning, that is the last of the Senior Commanders (in Brisbane) and the reason that AFM/Grays can use "they're running out" bs.
Someone with better math skills might like to correct me on that.

ooooCWoooo

[Barefoot Dave]

Spudboy. you are correct.
None at SA.
Thanks.

CW, that is what I thought also.

[Welby]

sorry Dave, i was sent a link at work, not sure which of the three it was, i didn't pay a lot of attention.

Too much green paint !! :)

Like you i'm looking to grab one of my old mounts, but i'm not expecting to see them turn up in the east.

The ones you lookd at, How did they present?

[Landy Smurf]

thinking about going to sydney tomorrow to have a look at them

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day Welby.
Mate, there was a LOT of red/black/ tan patches on the chassis'. 3 lines of weld on one patch.
Easily picked as Gulf cars due to the bauxite dust in everything and the evidence of many ks on cccccorrruugaaaations ;)
Chicken scratch in the GM120 made it very difficult to assess major work

Value? Well...
For all the fruit you get with an RFSV $12-13k, all up, is still fair. Juddy paid much less for better, I paid the same for better and others paid $18k for better.
*shrugs* As always, it is worth what a person is prepared to pay for it.
IF you could get them for <$8-9k and put everything on a clean chassis, sweet!

[spudboy]

Have been out today to check out the Adelaide offerings.

Quite a variable bunch. Some canvas was almost brand new, others perforated. Some look sad, some look nicely refurbished.

Couldn't believe how many other people were also out there checking them over. There were hordes!!!

Service history made interesting reading. Every little thing ever done is documented. Impressive. Generally - I'd say no matter which one you ended up with it would be better maintained than any civilian unit.

Not sure if I'll bid for anything. The one stand out unit is already $2-3K higher priced than all the others, so will see where it ends up on Wednesday night.

Cheers
David

[Welby]

Thanks Dave.

Still plenty to go i think, might be an opportunity to cherry pick yet.

Interesting about the paint. I heard that 10 Light Horse had been given some refurbed RFSV's in place of the buckets, but they came from the east in std green, not Pilbara Pink !.

I'll keep looking then. Theres a line of thought that says the ES cars have been better maintained than our local vehicles, due to the lack of civvy contractor $$ in the contract. Haven't seen any evidence though.

I know a couple of our had had a really rough time, so i'm particular about which to pick up.

I was past the depot here last week and see that the Regiment still has a solid complement of cars, with no word on when the replacements are due, or even what the replacements will be, so plenty of time yet i think.

Much rather pay 8 than 18.

[Landy Smurf]

went to the sydney sale today. Some were really good while others not so much a few I could poke my fingers through doors and firewalls.
Most of the canopies were getting pretty old

[Brendathedefender]

Does anyone know the history for 48-623 Senior Commander ? I have found the following tender response online

https://www.tenders.gov.au/?event=public.cn.view&CNUUID=3AA449A6-BB0C-EB70-496AB40550FD11DC

which indicates it has had a major respray maybe due to some major panel damage in 2008 ?? Also from other information on this forum looks like the 24v alt is disconnected maybe because it is no good ? I am going to have a look tomorrow at Grays.

B

[Barefoot Dave]

B, I'll see you there.
Will be driving a Surveillance, RFSV, and armed with a clipboard ;-)

[isuzutoo-eh]

Did anyone who saw the current lot at Minto notice if the back seat of the senior commander was mouldy or if it was just the armourall they spray everywhere making it look mottled?

[weeds]

grrrr....didn't get to the brissy auction today...its even more painfull when its only two blocks away from where i work

mmm, do i want a report from dave??

[Barefoot Dave]

grrrr....didn't get to the brissy auction today...its even more painfull when its only two blocks away from where i work

mmm, do i want a report from dave??

Humf!:mad: You kmake it sound like a painful thing. I know I like a good yarn, but.....










;)
Ahem.
Mods, apparantly we need to add a sub-sub folder entitled "Auction Trip reports":D:D

Well, I had a good chat with Juddy, Pasi and a few others,*waves*, Weeds missed the Party, had a detailed look at a few;
2X Surveillance
1X Snr Commander. No TGM120 (log) available :mad:
Qty GS
Qty FFR

What can I tell you?

[Welby]

which RFSV is the pick of the litter ??

:)

[weeds]

Humf!:mad: You kmake it sound like a painful thing. I know I like a good yarn, but.....










;)
Ahem.
Mods, apparantly we need to add a sub-sub folder entitled "Auction Trip reports":D:D

Well, I had a good chat with Juddy, Pasi and a few others,*waves*, Weeds missed the Party, had a detailed look at a few;
2X Surveillance
1X Snr Commander. No TGM120 (log) available :mad:
Qty GS
Qty FFR

What can I tell you?

Noooo not painful, just don't want to know what I missed out on

[Brendathedefender]

BDave would be interested to get your view on the Snr commander in the Brisbane auction. I had a look at it today and have an opinion about a few aspects. I had high expectations based on the photos but it wasn't as good as I thought it would be and I am a bit concerned re the electrics with the 24v alternator not working and spinning freely by hand, there were also some odd looking welded "fixes" on the chassis on the drivers side front and passenger side rear which concerned me and the steering was very heavy which I am assuming was just the lack of air in the tyres. I also noticed a few deteriorated pipes in the engine bay which would need attention. All of those combined with the fact that it has had a $10k respray in 2008, I think I might give this one a body swerve.

The other 4 door (48007) looked to be in better condition so may bid on that one.

B

[Mick_Marsh]

The other 4 door (48007) looked to be in better condition so may bid on that one.
Bid well on that one. It has provenance.
I understand it is the last of the trails vehicles.
I may yet bid on it.

[Mick_Marsh]

Mods, apparantly we need to add a sub-sub folder entitled "Auction Trip reports":D:D
Nothing stopping you starting a thread.
If you put it in the MV section, I might even make it a sticky.

[Barefoot Dave]

Welby, I could be glib and say neither :wasntme:
Both Brisbane RFSVs show a number of chassis repairs.
660 is very original from a collection standpoint. It even has the original seats (RFSV had 3 in their lives). Canopy is 7:10, not the original one, but.
686 is loaded! All 3spares, rear seat, 2jacks(must be where mine ended up), basic CES and an operators manual.
BUT! 82 000ks and 1600hrs of repair time!! :o
Life is tough in Bamaga.

Weeds, you have mail. Didn't miss much. There are plenty more for your defiling hands to lead astray ;)

B, going on prices for the better SCs I would expect it to fetch about $12-14K. Remember, it is still one of only 11 in existence.
48 007, as Mick says, is vehicle number 7 delivered to the ADF. It is the last of the Initial Production Vehicles (IPV), like a proof of concept. Expect spirited bidding.

Mick, I was TIC. This thread is enough.

[Mick_Marsh]

Mick, I was TIC. This thread is enough.
Your call but keep your observations and opinions coming. I am reading with much enthusiasm.
Just been paid so all cashed up now. 007 would be my pick at Minto.

[pasi]

Humf!:mad: You kmake it sound like a painful thing. I know I like a good yarn, but.....










;)
Ahem.
Mods, apparantly we need to add a sub-sub folder entitled "Auction Trip reports":D:D

Well, I had a good chat with Juddy, Pasi and a few others,*waves*, Weeds missed the Party, had a detailed look at a few;
2X Surveillance
1X Snr Commander. No TGM120 (log) available :mad:
Qty GS
Qty FFR

What can I tell you?

hey barefoot dave & co,

i was glad to have ran into you dave, in brisbane today. thanks again for your time that you were sharing with us bargain hunters. you truly are a well of information! it was also good to hear that the buyer's guide is approaching final proofing and that there are still plenty of landies to bid for with the help of this upcoming guidance.

with the experience of already two auctions;), i'd say that the brisbane lot is probably better than the first time around. this time there are a few vehicles without logs, which is quite a turn off though. the log books themselves are worth a visit, the details are amazing.

prices will most likely climb higher than i can afford, but it's good to see the vehicles and slowly get educated. as dave explained to me, the disposal contract goes on for four more years, so there should be many more opportunities to find the keeper.

cheers,

pasi

[isuzurover]

...

Both Brisbane RFSVs show a number of chassis repairs.

...

How are the repairs done? Do they weld/plate them and then cold gal?
What is the condition of the zinc on the most used examples?

[spudboy]

Any thoughts from people up in Sydney as to why the current bid prices of many of the Unimogs are actually less than a lot of the Land Rover 110s?

Are they extremely rough? Too much of a liability for registration/insurance? Not enough people with a Medium Rigid license?

From the first auction release, prices have plummeted!

Anyone got a good explanation?

Cheers
David

[weeds]

Any thoughts from people up in Sydney as to why the current bid prices of many of the Unimogs are actually less than a lot of the Land Rover 110s?

Are they extremely rough? Too much of a liability for registration/insurance? Not enough people with a Medium Rigid license?

From the first auction release, prices have plummeted!

Anyone got a good explanation?

Cheers
David

i can only image a lack of demand for them....which is good for you as form memory you are keen on one.

i drove them on and off for 20 years, i thought all the ones at my last unit look tired and that was 3-4 years ago.......the other thing would the be the availability of parts and the costs attached

[spudboy]

Yeah - I was, but I bought another 4x4 truck about 6 months ago, so now I only have a passing interest. Although for $10K it'd be a good toy :D

Similar units were selling for $60 or $70K a year or two ago. Those 3 NZ ex-army units that Nashy sold were all in that price range.

[isuzutoo-eh]

How are the repairs done? Do they weld/plate them and then cold gal?
What is the condition of the zinc on the most used examples?

In Sydney one of the three surveillance soft tops had a fair bit of chassis corrosion, amongst other problems. It also has just 10km on the odo, just further shows that the odo and the vehicle are not original to each other.
I didn't notice any chassis repairs on it though.
A lot of trailing arm chassis mounts were dented and scraped, on even the cleanest chassis, which surprised me as I've only recently dented one on my 110 and the other is still straight.

[87County]

Any thoughts from people up in Sydney as to why the current bid prices of many of the Unimogs are actually less than a lot of the Land Rover 110s?

Are they extremely rough? Too much of a liability for registration/insurance? Not enough people with a Medium Rigid license?

From the first auction release, prices have plummeted!

Anyone got a good explanation?

Cheers
David

I don't know if it will necessarily be a good explanation, Dave, but I am posting this after taking a look at, and clambering up into, some of the offerings in Minto yesterday.

There was only one other looker there while I was there over lunch-time so it wasn't busy. I didn't look at them all, but those that I did look at, I could live with condition-wise

For any enthusiast, the mogs, while interesting, have some practical shortcomings:

.they won't fit into any usual suburban driveway or mechanic's workshop
.the parts are expen$ive and the supply chain not as easily coped with as, say, for LRs
.they require (in comparison to other attractive toy items) much more maintenance
.they won't qualify for historic rego for quite a while yet
.have you sat in a driver's seat of one for very long? :) .
.(for starters the pedal positions are hardly ergonomic for any distance)
.for those who would buy them to take to rallys, they have a slow cruising speed so they will annoy those other road users we have been reading about who must get where they are going fast
.even the stock grazier in steep country where there could be some justification for the use of a $WD with a crane for fencing and large feed bales, would have a problem with the running and maintenance costs.

The mogs do have a good-sized glovebox ! :D

I would love to think of a reason to get one ........ but I think I would rather get a good inter on historic rego and run it once or twice a year.

I will be very interested to read what other comments/answers you get :)

[87County]

In Sydney one of the three surveillance soft tops had a fair bit of chassis corrosion, amongst other problems. It also has just 10km on the odo, just further shows that the odo and the vehicle are not original to each other.
I didn't notice any chassis repairs on it though.
A lot of trailing arm chassis mounts were dented and scraped, on even the cleanest chassis, which surprised me as I've only recently dented one on my 110 and the other is still straight.

I took a quick look yesterday, one of the three Minto chassis (I think from memory lot 31) has a plate welded on one of the rails - assuming it was properly done this would be OK, and Lot 32 is fully supplied with red comaclo dust from Weipa

[Barefoot Dave]

How are the repairs done? Do they weld/plate them and then cold gal?
What is the condition of the zinc on the most used examples?

To summarise 40 pages of Inspection and Repair guidlines;
Any area that is critical to safety, that is, "enable the operator to steer or stop the veh in the event of a failure", can have cracks>15mm<50mm repaired
Other areas (generally under the cab area) can have cracks >30mm<50mm repaired.
All distances include any adjacent voids, eg drain holes etc and not to exceed 25% of Cross sectional area.
Anything else requires written approval to repair.
Cracks are to be repaired IAW AS/ NZS 1554-1, Structural Welding Repairs.
Min depth of material left at bottom of prep grind 0.5mm, Root Radius 3mm, min 50deg.
Stop hole 3.3mm.
Welds cleaned and cold galved.

The condition of the gal seems to be ok, generally, a fair amount of wair on teh underside of the rails due to sliding over countless logs and dirt. Without the necessary depth testing equipment or metalworkers knowledge, that is the best I can do.

Comparitively, mine and Juddys'from the Cns area have most of the original black chassis paint remaining. Mine has what seems to strengthening welds on same crossmember shown, but at the bottom only.
This RFSV has additional welds up the sides and the top, indicating to me a failure.
Some happy snaps;

[isuzutoo-eh]

I noticed one of the 110s at Minto had a tubular (round) crossmember under the gearbox. Can't recall which vehicle though!

[Welby]

Thanks Dave, great info.

I'm thinking if we don't get any come up for sale over here it woiuld be worth paying you for your time in inspecting a couple over there.

Regarding chassis damage, i know form first hand experience that the issues facing the NW RFSV's will be salt corrosion, lack of preventative maintenance, iron ore dust and finally subsurface damage from the many rocks these things used to 'walk' over.:wasntme:

still a good bus though !!

[Barefoot Dave]

Cheers, Mate.
All, I am not saying 'Don't buy them', just factor the condition into your budget.

[spudboy]

I've just had my ass whipped in a bidding war on the Adelaide 110 I was after (Lot 8). I am out.

The other guy (I.G from Mandurah WA) must have put on $10K or something as an auto bid :(

[Landy Smurf]

the sydney lot are going to go for more then I can afford , I will just keep waiting

[Eevo]

the sydney lot are going to go for more then I can afford , I will just keep waiting

Adelaide lost just went outside my budget :(
moving costs from syd is way outside my range.
oh well, the dream is over

[Landy Smurf]

went to my maximum but the prices are definitely dropping. I think some people got some good buys but then there are some that I am assuming were bought sight unseen as they got better money then others.

[Landy Smurf]

Adelaide lost just went outside my budget :(
moving costs from syd is way outside my range.
oh well, the dream is over
still plenty more to come. When I was at sydney inspecting them I saw at least 6 110 SW and they dont sell many of them in each auction so plenty more sales to come=more opportunities to buy :)

[Eevo]

still plenty more to come. When I was at sydney inspecting them I saw at least 6 110 SW and they dont sell many of them in each auction so plenty more sales to come=more opportunities to buy :)

thats what im saying, plenty more in syd, not in adel (i could be wrong, i hope im wrong)

and transporting one from syd is too expensive.

[87County]

Adelaide lost just went outside my budget :(
moving costs from syd is way outside my range.
oh well, the dream is over

not over - just postponed perhaps :)

[Benz]

so with everything finished did we have any AULRO members pick up anything?
or does it take a while for the winning bidder to be notified.

I'm quite interested in buying just a standard rag top landy but will take my time and do some research into what's involved with them and what it takes to get them road registered.

it seems the hard tops or fancy ones with simple extras like power steering seem to go up quite a bit more in price.

guess I could find it with some reading but does anyone know how many more vehicles roughly there still are to be sold?

would love a big 6x6 beast but at this point don't have the funds or space for one in my life with traveling OZ and all.
I can see space for a classic rag top though and the prices seem to be dropping.
wouldn't mind buying one and storing it for later.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Don't know about the Landies, but an irregular AULRO member picked up one of the trucks.

I didn't think any of the 4X4 perenties had power steering?

[87County]

Don't know about the Landies, but an irregular AULRO member picked up one of the trucks.

I didn't think any of the 4X4 perenties had power steering?

The RFSVs do.

It's probably the simplest mechanical add-on to a 4BD1

[LandroverScott]

guess I could find it with some reading but does anyone know how many more vehicles roughly there still are to be sold?



G'day,

in very big round figures about 2,000 left to sell

approx 2,500 to be sold over a 5 year period as the Gwagon is rolled into service

I have seen the amount of each variant to be sold but haven't got it with me

I think the prices for a GS have now stabilised and seem to be a fair price - biggest issue is the variation in quality, definately pays to view and read the log books very carefully

cheers
Scott

cheers
Scott

[Benz]

oh wow 5 years.

I have some time up my sleeve then.

wouldn't buy a ex army rover sight unseen I don't think.
Don't need any unwelcome surprises.

Thanks very much for answering my questions :)

and yeah the current prices don't seem to over the top for the basic ones, depending on condition of course

[Bundalene]

so with everything finished did we have any AULRO members pick up anything?
or does it take a while for the winning bidder to be notified.

.

We bought a No5 trailer for the farm.



Our nephew bought one of the 4 wheel Haulmark trailer (their second so far) to install a drilling rig which has been ordered and will be exported to South Africa (Christie Engineering Products (http://www.christieengineering.com.au/products.html) )

One of their customers bought one of the Canter Service trucks which will also have a drill rig installed.



We were notified by Email within 5 minutes of auction close.


Erich

[juddy]

A few pics from the Brisbane sales.

The only one I would have had was the Survey Unit, the rest not very good.

Some did have tool kits, and one had a fire extinguisher, one FFR still had a full set of antenna poles ( see picture )

These 2 were not in the sale...

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[cinan]

Juddy, great portfolio of photos there. What was the reason for the antennae mount photo of the Snr commander ? Reason I ask is because I won the auction for the Snr Comm, I didn't get a chance to see it firsthand and relied on my father in laws inspection (ex truckie and Vietnam vet so knows a thing or two about mechanical stuff - hopefully !)

It gets shipped down to Melbourne next week.

Andrew.

[DeeJay]

Did I miss something with this latest round of Auctions? A mate tells me he was viewing a 6x6 in Melb that was a dual cab??
By the time I got on line if it existed, it must have sold ??

[spudboy]

You're about a day late. It all finished up about 5:00PM yesterday.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Did I miss something with this latest round of Auctions? A mate tells me he was viewing a 6x6 in Melb that was a dual cab??
By the time I got on line if it existed, it must have sold ??

No auction in Melbourne this time, it was Adelaide, Brisbane and Sydney. Also, there was no 6x6 dual cabs. There has been a civillian 6x6 dual cab for sale, your friend may have been talking about that one.

[DeeJay]

No auction in Melbourne this time, it was Adelaide, Brisbane and Sydney. Also, there was no 6x6 dual cabs. There has been a civillian 6x6 dual cab for sale, your friend may have been talking about that one.

Thanks, he is ex army, maybe there is one coming up & he had a "sneak peek". I must put him thru 3rd degree :twisted: Definitely Melb..

[LandroverScott]

Juddy, great portfolio of photos there. What was the reason for the antennae mount photo of the Snr commander ? Reason I ask is because I won the auction for the Snr Comm, I didn't get a chance to see it firsthand and relied on my father in laws inspection (ex truckie and Vietnam vet so knows a thing or two about mechanical stuff - hopefully !)

It gets shipped down to Melbourne next week.

Andrew.

G'day Andrew,

Was that 48 - 007??

if so you have a very special vehicle it is one of 7 pre production trial vehicles, 48-008 is the first true production pernetie

cheers
Scott

[cinan]

No 48-623 the Snr Commander in Brisbane was the one I purchased. I think the last of the 11 Snr Commanders.

[UncleHo]

Hmmmm,I wonder if any of these vehicles will turn up at the Jeep Club Swap at Canungra this weekend??

[Barefoot Dave]

UH, at this stage mine and Juddys RFSVs will be there hanging with the REMLR crowd so we should cross paths.

[Bundalene]

We bought a No5 trailer for the farm.



Our nephew bought one of the 4 wheel Haulmark trailer (their second so far) to install a drilling rig which has been ordered and will be exported to South Africa (Christie Engineering Products (http://www.christieengineering.com.au/products.html) )

One of their customers bought one of the Canter Service trucks which will also have a drill rig installed.



We were notified by Email within 5 minutes of auction close.


Erich

We picked up the purchases this afternoon , extremely pleased. The No5 trailer has a brand new set of tyres.

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Erich

[Dizza]

That truck would make for an awesome camper conversion.
Very cool vehicle.

[Bundalene]

That truck would make for an awesome camper conversion.
Very cool vehicle.

The body may well be for sale down the track. The owner, a company from down Wagga way, bought the 4wd Canter to install a drilling rig.


The tool boxes on the side are huge. It came with brand new Optima batteries, 12v air compressor, large inverter, ...... The rear is air conditioned from a stand alone unit.




Erich

[spudboy]

I've just had my ass whipped in a bidding war on the Adelaide 110 I was after (Lot 8). I am out.

The other guy (I.G from Mandurah WA) must have put on $10K or something as an auto bid :(

Haha! I just got a nice PM from the bloke who out bid me :D

He has joined up here as a member: MandurahMan

[powerband]

Hi, does anybody know if they will start to sell off parts in the future? Paul

[Barefoot Dave]

Paul, there are dribs and drabs of oversupply items going to auction most weeks. nothing interesting.
The word is that most parts will remain in the ADF system until the last rovers are disposed of.
Some maintenance subcontractors are offloading there stocks but they are not flooding the market.

Many are waiting with baited breath.

[isuzurover]

So Dave, how is the quality of the Land Rover offerings changing over time?
Sounds like they had some good ones at the start but the current crop are a bit average???

[Landy Smurf]

so what roofs would fit to replace the canvas. for both troopy style and ute?

[Landy Smurf]

So Dave, how is the quality of the Land Rover offerings changing over time?
Sounds like they had some good ones at the start but the current crop are a bit average???
I had heard that also

[Barefoot Dave]

So Dave, how is the quality of the Land Rover offerings changing over time?
Sounds like they had some good ones at the start but the current crop are a bit average???

G'Day IR.
First, I am not THE Expert of the Disposal system or Military Procurement. If I was, Janes' would be paying me a lot more than my current employer.
So my opinion:
The sequence of disposal is governed by a few things.


Supply of the replacement G-Wagons
Disposal of excess or 'un-economical to repair' units
AFMs plan for disposal to maximise the Auction price.

Supply is goverened by Politics,operational need, MBs supply line and issues with the vehicles that have been supplied.
Politics has certain high-profile units/ sub-units getting theirs first, spreading the love.
Op req has some receiving theirs first as their LRs need to be replaced NOW! This can be due to heavy use or Task creep.

MB can't supply the whole contract in one go and there are a few issues with the vehicles that need rectification before things go full steam ahead.
The above accounts for a few of the A- or B+ quality vehicles we have seen.


There are large numbers of ADF vehicles sitting for long periods of time on hard standing throughout the country. If the system identifies little or no requirement for them, given the anticipated timeframe for delivery, they are released.

These will be most of the B+, C+vehicles
The above is similar for the Un-economical repairs. Some may seem minor but if the life of the vehicle is not there the expense is not justified. Just like any vehicle, the professional repair cost is significantly higher than any DIY cost. B- to C-


Like it or not, AFM and Grays are in business, business is about money.
They are also under an obligation to maximise the return to Defense.
I don't think any of us would argue that, should the money go back to Defense and not buy a Politician a leather chair, the 'Premium' price is justified.
This may explain to some, why we saw a few RFSVs sold in Tville, then Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne. I believe most of these vehicles were ex- 51FNQR (vehicles from FNQ).
They are simply testing the markets to see where the money is.
Basic auction practice is to clump some nice stuff in with the dross to maintain interest and the "Well I'm here now, may as well buy something!" factor.
Also, there are rumours of vehicles being rebuilt/ repaired, pre-sale, to ensure the best result. This does NOT mean they are slapped together in a chop-shop fashion.



I guess for many, the question is "Are they selling the junk first, then the good stuff will come out as MB supply ramps up?"
The answer isn't easy.
We are 8 months into a 5 yr process with many independant variables in addition to the above.


First: Except for significant vehicles and the odd silly biddy war, average prices are pegged slightly higher than what the vehicles drivetrain is worth as parts.
Lack of information for remote buyers is affecting this. Hopefully this will change in the near future. Better information will increase confidence and the resultant bid. Watch this space.


A few of us have some quite nice vehicles for a very reasonable price.

I know of a few cases where people have scored vehicles valued at up to 500% their on-road cost.
1 RFSV, Tenix rebuild, sub-90k on the clock: $13K on road
1 IIMV, Tenix rebuild, 1200km only (logged), worth $130K 18months ago, $32K on road

I've said it before: Go to Great Wall or Chery and see what you can get for $15K and compare that to a Perentie, even one with 150K+ on the clock!
Remeber, it is not what just you get for your money, it is the lifetime cost to repair the accessories that hurts.



Second: The local market will reach saturation point. There are only so many masochists out there who want a 20+ year old, pov pack, noisy, drafty, Light truck.
BUT, a fool would expect that the only people who want one are in Australia. There are a few people exploring export markets.


Third: Human nature (even in a disciplined environment) predicts that some drivers will be less caring as the promise of a Shiny new car gets closer. This may affect the general condition of some vehicles.


Just my thoughts, but I hope this clears some things up.

[pasi]

excellent analysis dave. it really is a process of many variables. interest from outside of australia could greatly complicate things. what i'm looking forward to is how the price of the vehicles that have come onto the market evolves next year. how long are these owners willing to hang on to stock at quite highly marked up prices?

do you know how many of the potentially available 4X4 perenties were built post 1987/88? i believe to have read somewhere that 2500 of them were delivered in 1987, but at the auctions they have so far been mostly 88s and 89s? hearsay?

on another (isuzu?)thread there was talk about the refinement of post 88 engines compared to earlier ones. wonder if that goes for the civilian stock only or did the perenties get later versions of the 4bd1 at some point in time?

cheers,

pasi

[Dizza]

Anyone have any idea how much the light trailers are going for? Interested in getting hold of one for a camper conversion.

[Landy Smurf]

I think in sydney they went from $600-$900

[THE BOOGER]

excellent analysis dave. it really is a process of many variables. interest from outside of australia could greatly complicate things. what i'm looking forward to is how the price of the vehicles that have come onto the market evolves next year. how long are these owners willing to hang on to stock at quite highly marked up prices?

do you know how many of the potentially available 4X4 perenties were built post 1987/88? i believe to have read somewhere that 2500 of them were delivered in 1987, but at the auctions they have so far been mostly 88s and 89s? hearsay?

on another (isuzu?)thread there was talk about the refinement of post 88 engines compared to earlier ones. wonder if that goes for the civilian stock only or did the perenties get later versions of the 4bd1 at some point in time?

cheers,

pasi

2500 in 1 year would have taken all the production at Moorebank for 1 year even the civilian ones they only made 6 per day 8 if they did OT it was not mass production:D I don't recall any difference between army and civilian engines:)

[Barefoot Dave]

I'm surprised to see a few ' Incomplete/ not operational' vehicles this time around!
Didn't think we would see them again. Nice buying if you have a week to reassemble.

[Barefoot Dave]

Quite a few 'Typos' through the listings.
I did warn them.
Must have the Work experience kid doing the copywriting ; )
:wasntme:
I think that this round would be where you may grab a bargain...

[isuzurover]

I have seen a few hardtop 110 perenties driving around the suburbs of perth recently. These were not Td5s.

[HowardSmall]

Typos! Seven of the eight Townsville soft tops are all listed as FFR but they are all GS! Gives you lots of confidence in their description...

Some bids are crazy - why would you jump from about $1,000 to over $6,000?

Howard


Quite a few 'Typos' through the listings.
I did warn them.
Must have the Work experience kid doing the copywriting ; )
:wasntme:
I think that this round would be where you may grab a bargain...

[Barefoot Dave]

Howard, I think they may have some legal issues to address also.
The large jumps are a indication of the autobid system.
Both bidders have Pre-bid up to $6000 and the robots have bid against each other up to both maximum bids.

[Eevo]

fraud and deception are words that come to mind

[circlework]

Speaking of that .... mate bought one from the last round from Minto, with a very loud bearing knock in the donk.
I personally think that situation is unethical .... so much for the 'blue slip'.
Moral of the story .... if you can't start it, 'Buyer Beware'!

Cheers,
cw.

[Landy Smurf]

I do think some of the ones in the last minto lot needed a better look over. there was one i could fit my hand through the firewall. My biggest problem with buying them is that you cnt drive them first

[juddy]

The Survey soft top is another wrong description too. Unless there was one?

[pasi]

be aware, in hamilton some of the pictures are mixed up, same set of photos describing two different vehicles (lots 4 and 6). wonder if there are inaccuracies in the written descriptions...

[THE BOOGER]

Speaking of that .... mate bought one from the last round from Minto, with a very loud bearing knock in the donk.
I personally think that situation is unethical .... so much for the 'blue slip'.
Moral of the story .... if you can't start it, 'Buyer Beware'!

Cheers,
cw.

Just remember a blue slip is a safety check not a buyers check strange sounds don't come into it unless its brakes or bits falling off:mad:

[HowardSmall]

The high bid is $6009 and the next bid is $1909. It looks like the high bidder selected standard bid rather than auto bid - by mistake?

Howard


Howard,
The large jumps are a indication of the autobid system.
Both bidders have Pre-bid up to $6000 and the robots have bid against each other up to both maximum bids.

[HowardSmall]

I have just emailed the following to the Grays contact - be interesting to see how/if they reply and if they act. on it...

Howard

You may wish to have someone review the descriptions of the Land Rovers for sale in Townsville. For example, there are eight soft tops listed as FFR (which means they have wiring, battery compartments and control panel not found on GS) yet these are all GS Models. Given this gross error, how reliable is the detailed description? And what legal responsibility will you have if a buyer relies on the description? After all, you have advised that inspection is recommended but that is to determine the quality of the goods: a buyer is entitled to rely on your description in determining the nature of the goods.

Regards,

Howard Small
0425825799

[circlework]

Geeez, these people are good .... now we have a cargo softie at Minto (lot 38) with the correct blue slip but the additional piccies are of a mog.
Sounds like the person with the scissors and clag is around 3YO. (with appologies to all 3YO's of course). :)

Oh, and did I mention the useless additional mini pics in the Cheltenham (Melb) auction? Using a maggie lite, they are illegible, even on my 23" HD screen.

When they say ... 'End Time', is that the time remaining til the collapse of the auction, in chaos, or the time they have left to fix all these errors? :wasntme:

[Barefoot Dave]

fraud and deception are words that come to mind
That's a little bit strong.
You have to prove intent.
I think a reasonable person would not argue with 'careless and sloppy'.

[Eevo]

That's a little bit strong.
You have to prove intent.
I think a reasonable person would not argue with 'careless and sloppy'.

It's grays online. IMHO it's deliberate and intentional.

[HowardSmall]

A friend of mine just bought an FFR from a private seller. It does not have a winch and he asked me what winch was used originally on the Perenties and what winch brands will fit?

Any info appreciated.

Howard

[weeds]

A friend of mine just bought an FFR from a private seller. It does not have a winch and he asked me what winch was used originally on the Perenties and what winch brands will fit?

Any info appreciated.

Howard

Don't buy any components until he has sourced the drive that bolts onto the t-case.....they are rare as hens teeth

[303gunner]

The high bid is $6009 and the next bid is $1909. It looks like the high bidder selected standard bid rather than auto bid - by mistake?

Howard
Why would it be a mistake? Wouldn't you be simply wasting your time placing a bid of $2009? To have any serious hopes of securing a complete running 4x4 for less than $6000 means you have not done your research properly on previous auction results. Sure, transport costs from Townsville or Darwin might reduce the bids that Southerners are willing to throw at those vehicles, but there is enough previous evidence to show that there's a very high chance that most of these vehicles will be around $7000+ Drive Away, with many going over the 10K mark. Anything less is delusional.

[303gunner]

It does not have a winch and he asked me what winch was used originally on the Perenties and what winch brands will fit?

Any info appreciated.

Howard
The standard winch fitted was a Thomas 8000lb PTO-driven winch. If you cannot source a PTO drive for the LT95 gearbox/transfer, then a regular electric winch (Warn, Ramsey, Ox, Runva, TigerZ, Aldi, etc, etc) of between 8,000-12,000lb will fit in the space behind the bullbar, but he might need to source or fabricate the mounts and fairlead (which were part of an alternate centre section of the bullar).

[HowardSmall]

Because an autobid will still go to your maximum but let you get it for less if bidding runs out. Might be thousands or only one hundred you save but you can't be worse off autobidding. You can spend more than you need to with a standard bid.

That's not delusional, that's using the auction to your best advantage.

Howard


Why would it be a mistake?

[HowardSmall]

In the Townsville auction (in which all except one LR have been re-described as Cargo, not FFR) one of them has a different camo pattern. Would this indicate it is a rebuild?

Howard

[Barefoot Dave]

G'Day Howard. Lot #?

[HowardSmall]

0008-7004196


G'Day Howard. Lot #?

[Barefoot Dave]

Howard, it doesn't strike me as a rebuild, just 'natural' variation of the scheme.
A peek at the GM120 or the Nomenclature plate would be the only way to be sure.

[Sprint]

has anyone got a link to any of the current auctions??

[Barefoot Dave]

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[HowardSmall]

Go to graysonline.com and search for military

Howard

has anyone got a link to any of the current auctions??

[circlework]

Time to eat my hat. :D

Grays have fixed all their description and attached photo problems .... even super large piccies for the Cheltenham auction. They must have been listening!

Thankyou Grays.

[manic]

Just went down to cheltenham to have a gander. Looking at the hard tops mostly, but damn I want to have that 6x6 ambulance.. drool.

Does anyone know if there will be more perentie's sold at Cheltenham after this auction?

[THE BOOGER]

Time to eat my hat. :D

Grays have fixed all their description and attached photo problems .... even super large piccies for the Cheltenham auction. They must have been listening!

Thankyou Grays.

They sure are, even land rover read this forum:)

[Dizza]

Anybody know if any trailers will pop up in Victoria?

[Mick_Marsh]

There were last auction.
Bound to be sometime in the future.

[DeeJay]

Just went down to cheltenham to have a gander. Looking at the hard tops mostly, but damn I want to have that 6x6 ambulance.. drool.

Does anyone know if there will be more perentie's sold at Cheltenham after this auction?

I would have had a gander but the Grays page said inspection days were Saturday & Monday:mad:

[HowardSmall]

Well the Townsville auction is over. The prices includingfees and GST for 4x4 were:
GS
Cheapest - $8056 Dearest - $9572
Survey FFR
Cheapest - $11204 Dearest - $11903

Add to that RWC, stamp duty, registration and the cheapest4x4 is about $9500 and the dearest is about $14,000 excluding any repairsneeded to get a RWC.

The two 6x6 went for $25662 and $26012

Themedian 4x4 GS was $8872.
Howard

[mudmouse]

How's the form on the FFR at Minto that went for $17k :o I get it was (appeared to be) rebuilt, but it was incomplete and a bit of a job to get back on the road... That's crazy money.

Matt.

[Landy Smurf]

If it was in pretty good condition though and you could tolerate finishing it, still would be better value for money then a new great wall or mahindra , how were the other prices though I missed seeing the auction

[DeeJay]

I talked a mate into buying this

Land Rover Hard Top 6x6 Ambulance Auction &#40;0002-3004172&#41; | GraysOnline Australia (http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0002-3004172/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/strong-land-rover-hard-top-6x6-ambulance-strong)

He was on holidays & never even viewed it !!
Anybody looked it over?? seems a bit cheap, I will get to look it over next week.

[Faceplant]

How's the form on the FFR at Minto that went for $17k :o I get it was (appeared to be) rebuilt, but it was incomplete and a bit of a job to get back on the road... That's crazy money.

Matt.

Was that the one with the chassis still in the raw galv? If so it appeared to be a new never used vehicle rather cannibalised for parts. The condition of all the fittings in the engine bay were all brand new. There was a similar lot in Darwin and it's VIN was a couple of hundred away from the one in NSW.

[manic]

I talked a mate into buying this

Land Rover Hard Top 6x6 Ambulance Auction (0002-3004172) | GraysOnline Australia (http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0002-3004172/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/strong-land-rover-hard-top-6x6-ambulance-strong)

He was on holidays & never even viewed it !!
Anybody looked it over?? seems a bit cheap, I will get to look it over next week.

Yeah I had a quick look out of curiosity. It was in good condition, I didnt start her up but it had tidy engine bay, nothing missing. Turbo'd :D . All around it look to be very tidy.

Looks to be a good buy, I would have gambled on it if I had cash to spend and storage to spare.

:envy:

[DeeJay]

Yeah I had a quick look out of curiosity. It was in good condition, I didnt start her up but it had tidy engine bay, nothing missing. Turbo'd :D . All around it look to be very tidy.

Looks to be a good buy, I would have gambled on it if I had cash to spend and storage to spare.

:envy:


Ah, thanks, a bit of a gamble there but he figured it had been sitting at a base somewhere doing nothing. He bought a series fire fighting truck back in the eighties that was low k's & it served him well.
I'm told he will be stripping this one back to chassis & modifying to his requirements. I guess there will be a Ambo body up for grabs soon..

David

[mudmouse]

Was that the one with the chassis still in the raw galv? If so it appeared to be a new never used vehicle rather cannibalised for parts. The condition of all the fittings in the engine bay were all brand new. There was a similar lot in Darwin and it's VIN was a couple of hundred away from the one in NSW.

Yep. Just about everything on it was freshly painted, coated and plated - just at $17k, along with associated costs of getting it on the road, it's a lot.

I don't necessarily agree with comparisons (i.e.; Great Wall) because they're not a fair swap. I'd love the FFR and good luck to whoever owns it. Perhaps it will form part of a collection?

Anyway, i think the average vehicle (110) sat at around the 7k mark. Some dungers and some good ones in the mix.


Matt.

[sharp05]

They had quite a lot of hard top FFW Landy 110's and soft top versions in Sydney and Brisbane. All seemed to be selling for very high prices. I did buy an 88 Moggy at a good price (probably the only one) but most Moggies were up around $17K -$21k. The transport operator said he had a contract to shift another 35 moggies and more Landy's to Sydney from Brisbane. Seems a bit strange since Grays have an auction centre in Brisbane one would think they would just shift them across the road from the Pinkenba base but Frontline Machinery are the primary contractors for the sales and Grays are just the auctioneers.

[LandroverScott]

Ah, thanks, a bit of a gamble there but he figured it had been sitting at a base somewhere doing nothing. He bought a series fire fighting truck back in the eighties that was low k's & it served him well.
I'm told he will be stripping this one back to chassis & modifying to his requirements. I guess there will be a Ambo body up for grabs soon..

David

Yeah I had a look as well, no issues from what I could see. Should perform well.

Regards
Scott

[cinan]

I talked a mate into buying this

Land Rover Hard Top 6x6 Ambulance Auction (0002-3004172) | GraysOnline Australia (http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0002-3004172/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/strong-land-rover-hard-top-6x6-ambulance-strong)

He was on holidays & never even viewed it !!
Anybody looked it over?? seems a bit cheap, I will get to look it over next week.
Had a look also, in great condition, from memory there was a high pressure hose going to no where in the engine bay (or it could have been the other 6x6 as well !). Either way both the 6x6's at Melbourne went for good prices last week. attached are some photos I took.

[HowardSmall]

What's a Moggy?
Howard

I did buy an 88 Moggy.

[davidsonsm]

A cat or Morris Minor in my world.

[circlework]

What's a Moggy?
Howard

He means a 'Unimog', Howard.


Cheers,
cw.

[weeds]

He means a 'Unimog', Howard.


Cheers,
cw.

never heard a unimog being called a moggy.....a lot of other names come to mind

[circlework]

Auctions for December are up ......

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Cheers,
cw.

[Faceplant]

I drove through Euroa (Vic) last week and there is a used machinery specialist there who has two of the 6x6 on his lot. One with no body on the rear and another of the missile variant. Is it just me or is the cab significantly bigger than a regular Land Rover? They seem enormous.

[isuzutoo-eh]

The sixby cab is significantly bigger than a standard Landy cab, but that means the gear stick is even further away from the driver!

[Lotz-A-Landies]

IIRC the cab on a 6X6 is 6" wider and is actually a ROP design.

As for the stick being a long way away, aren't the driver and passenger seating positions located further inboard giving more shoulder room and making the distance to the gearstick relatively the same. If it isn't there is nothing to stop one bending it a little and adding an extension, it's what we used to do with the stubby 80" gearsticks.

[weeds]

IIRC the cab on a 6X6 is 6" wider and is actually a ROP design.

As for the stick being a long way away, aren't the driver and passenger seating positions located further inboard giving more shoulder room and making the distance to the gearstick relatively the same. If it isn't there is nothing to stop one bending it a little and adding an extension, it's what we used to do with the stubby 80" gearsticks.

I'm not sure the are any more inboard.....as there is a third full size seat in the middle

We used to bent the gear stick a little as it was a bit of a reach.....MAS used to ask us replace the gear stick every bi-annual inspection.

[Barefoot Dave]

You might have a Senior Commander available soon!

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I'm not sure the are any more inboard.....as there is a third full size seat in the middle

We used to bent the gear stick a little as it was a bit of a reach.....MAS used to ask us replace the gear stick every bi-annual inspection.or maybe the seat fittings didn't go as far out as the body went out. I just seem to remember that there was more shoulder room in the 6x6 but I only ever sat in the one on display at a show. The LHD SAS/LRPV demonstrator.

[spudboy]

You might have a Senior Commander available soon!

I'll have to check that one out then! Catalog issued at 5:00PM tonight I believe...

Edit : Correction - I was thinking it was an SRV, so my excitement was shortlived!

[Benz]

the senior commander in SA looks pretty sweet, I wonder how much it will go for.

also a few wrecks this time around in NSW which will also be interesting to watch.

even the trailers in NSW look mint

:( I wish I was in the position to buy something.
Hope there is still plenty to choose from when I finally get the chance in 18 or so months time.

[rangieman]

the senior commander in SA looks pretty sweet, I wonder how much it will go for.

also a few wrecks this time around in NSW which will also be interesting to watch.

even the trailers in NSW look mint

:( I wish I was in the position to buy something.
Hope there is still plenty to choose from when I finally get the chance in 18 or so months time.

What have i done i did place a bid on a 4x4 in vic:angel: , I have a suspicion Mick from the marsh has also bid on one;)

[spudboy]

Went to check out the Adelaide offerings yesterday.

Apart from the 2 very nice hard tops, the quality is way down on the last auction. Everything looks pretty tired. Seats that don't match. Missing batteries. Very average canopies. Tyres looking old (most of the last auction had near new tyres on them).

Apparently Grays rejected a whole consignment and sent them back to Sydney (?) because they were unhappy with the standard of what was delivered to them. They called the loaders back the next day, and sent all of them back!!

Anyway - I'd be going for one of the 2 hard tops (if I wanted a hard top). They are currently sitting at $8K and $10K.

That's my quick summary review ;)

[DeeJay]

Looking at the Vic offering, there is really only one I would go for - if I wanted one ( I was checking them out for a mate). Most are run of the mill, none refurbished.
I told my mate to bid up on the second choice as he only wants a farm hack. I'd reckon the money will go to the reasonable one. At least they all have good to fairly good tyres & batteries. One is hail damaged and another a frontal smack & distorted bonnet & neither shows on the photo's.

[LandroverScott]

Looking at the Vic offering, there is really only one I would go for - if I wanted one ( I was checking them out for a mate). Most are run of the mill, none refurbished.
I told my mate to bid up on the second choice as he only wants a farm hack. I'd reckon the money will go to the reasonable one. At least they all have good to fairly good tyres & batteries. One is hail damaged and another a frontal smack & distorted bonnet & neither shows on the photo's.

Hi, thanks for the advice, do you know which one is which?

[DeeJay]

Well, :angel: I do, but I don't want to jack up the bidding on the one I recommended to my mate, but I can say that Lot 007 has a smack in the front that has bent in the 110 badge & bulbar & the distorted bonnet & lot 006 is the hail damaged & lot 8 is the - visually at least - best.
They are all pretty honest examples.

[LandroverScott]

Well, :angel: I do, but I don't want to jack up the bidding on the one I recommended to my mate, but I can say that Lot 007 has a smack in the front that has bent in the 110 badge & bulbar & the distorted bonnet & lot 006 is the hail damaged & lot 8 is the - visually at least - best.
They are all pretty honest examples.

Thanks, understand.

Am interested in one, I did see the bent bull bar, couldn't see hail but that doesn't worry me, I think you're right No8 visually looks the best

regards
Scott

[OzPup]

Hi everybody, first time poster, but have been an irregular visitor to this site for quite a number of years. I'm thinking about picking up a perentie as my first land rover (but grew up with them in png).

I've noticed (and previously mentioned herein this tread) that there is a Senior Commander up for auction in Adelaide, and it's piqued my interest a little!

I have a couple of questions, is the 'tropical roof' removable? Any pics floating around with one off? Are they licensed to carry 5 passengers? It looks like from the photos that there are rear seatbelts. Due to rarity, would a camper (pop-top) conversion be sacrilegious? Is touring in a perentie actually even worth contemplating?

[Blknight.aus]

the tropical roof isnt designed to be removable, but the whole vehicle still complies to the meccano rule set so yes it can be if you try hard enough.

Why you would want to remove it is the next question... if your going to say roof racks then dont bother by the time you add the roof racks and frame youve used up most if not all and then some of the maximum roof load limit.

to see one without the tropic top on it just look at any other 110 5 door and imagine it in came.

yes they seat 5 legally

its not sacrilege you pay for it you do what you like to it, but dont complain when the resale value halves.

yes you can tour in them theres plenty of people who have done it in counties which is basically the same vehicle.

[rangieman]

Well, :angel: I do, but I don't want to jack up the bidding on the one I recommended to my mate, but I can say that Lot 007 has a smack in the front that has bent in the 110 badge & bulbar & the distorted bonnet & lot 006 is the hail damaged & lot 8 is the - visually at least - best.
They are all pretty honest examples.

2nd i was there yesterday and agree , I was bidding on 6/8:(

[OzPup]

the tropical roof isnt designed to be removable, but the whole vehicle still complies to the meccano rule set so yes it can be if you try hard enough.

Why you would want to remove it is the next question... if your going to say roof racks then dont bother by the time you add the roof racks and frame youve used up most if not all and then some of the maximum roof load limit.

to see one without the tropic top on it just look at any other 110 5 door and imagine it in came.

yes they seat 5 legally

its not sacrilege you pay for it you do what you like to it, but dont complain when the resale value halves.

yes you can tour in them theres plenty of people who have done it in counties which is basically the same vehicle.
Thanks for the response's Dave, something clicked (clunked), I thought that the tropical roof was covering a hole in the normal roof (thus the q about removal/poptop), but I now gather that it's actually a second skin.
thanks, Jim

[rathgar]

I have been looking a bit at the auctions and would like to clarify a few points if anyone can help;

In the hardtop versions apart from the winch and radio dist box what are the dfferences between the snr commander and the personnel carrier?

On these variants what is the seating capacity on the compliance plate?

What is the allowable roof load?

Thanks in advance

Ian

[DeeJay]

I have been looking a bit at the auctions and would like to clarify a few points if anyone can help;

In the hardtop versions apart from the winch and radio dist box what are the dfferences between the snr commander and the personnel carrier?

On these variants what is the seating capacity on the compliance plate?

What is the allowable roof load?

Thanks in advance

Ian

None - other than the winch & 24v alternator/ secondary electrics

Compliance plate is pictured under "additional photo's" on Graysonline page for each vehicle.

Dunno, I doubt there is one, personally I would put 120kg max up there.

[Blknight.aus]

None - other than the winch & 24v alternator/ secondary electrics

Compliance plate is pictured under "additional photo's" on Graysonline page for each vehicle.

Dunno, I doubt there is one, personally I would put 120kg max up there.

from memory

40KG for the soft tops with the cam net rack on the top (3 cam nets + support gear)

none for the ones that are hard sides (they weren't intended to have roof loads)


Id run with the 50kg limit from the same civvy varient tho.

[weeds]

I would assume hard tops would be the same as civvie versions in construction, pretty sure there is a never ending debate on here what the max. Roof load is for a 110 is......anywhere between 50kg and 150kg. My old roof rack weight in at 120kg (previous owner built it) on its own and for my Simpson trip the total load would have been 200kg + gods know what the previous owner used carry up there.....it all seems to be holding up OK