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101 Ron
17th December 2012, 03:32 PM
Sell and Parker scap metal merchants have the contract to dispose of the older army trailers and vehicles.
Sell and Parker have aquired a large site at Minto NSW (Sydney) to store and sell the vehicles.
They currently have 175 items in that location with most of it being trailers and perentie landrovers (4x4) in all sorts of different conditions.
This figure is increasing daily.
There was suppose to be near 600 vehicles by christmas, but I cannot see that happening now.
101 Ron
17th December 2012, 03:44 PM
My understanding is the vehicles will be sold directly from Sell and Parker with no middle men.
Sell and Parker is doing this alone and they have many scrap yards on the east coast.
The vehicles must be sold with military equiptment removed.
Some vehicles will require disassembly of the brakes and asbestos brake linings removed or replaced with non asbestos types.
At present there is only a few 6x6 perenties and one Mack.
The sell off will be done over many years as the vehicles become advailible.
light trailers and older perenties will be first with 6x6 perenties next .
Macks and mogs will be disposed of by sell and parker in coming years.
I hear a rumour that the M113s will be sold off too, but I suspect not to the public, but for scrap.
101 Ron
17th December 2012, 03:52 PM
Alot of people have known this information for a while now and have kept it under their belt, I suspect to get some sort of a advantage.
I am not in the market for a perentie landrover and have no reason to keep quiet.
I strongly suspect there will be no short cuts to anyone .
Sell and Parker are under obligation to get maximum price for the trailers and vehicles.
Final details of how /when they are being sold is still being sorted.
Any information I can release I will.
Ron
87County
17th December 2012, 05:36 PM
thanks for that insight Ron, much appreciated although at this stage I'm not in the market for one
when I first heard of Sell and Parker I thought it was a euphamistic joke - a play on words like - "Dumpster Motors"... relating to the sale of non-going vehicles
as in "sell ('er) and park 'er " :o
but I did find out later that they are a fair dinkum outfit :)
LandroverScott
17th December 2012, 08:18 PM
I guess this is them
Metal Merchants, Metal Recycling Services, Ferrous & Non-ferrous Metals | Sell & Parker | Australian Owned & Operated | Welcome (http://www.sellparker.com.au/)
isuzutoo-eh
17th December 2012, 09:48 PM
I know messrs Sell and Parker personally, they were importing Tatras a fair few years ago, still have a 4x4 truck mothballed in a yard, pretty nifty bit of kit. One of the business owners used to manufacture trucks for mining and service industries, hence their interest in Macks and Mogs. If I hear anything that I can share, I will, but chances are the rumour mills will let it out before I do.
Ron, where are you hearing this information from? Please PM me if you can't state your source publically.
Blknight.aus
17th December 2012, 11:49 PM
FYI.
the landrover fleet is asbestoes "clean"
there are 3 potential gaskets that may have asbestoes in them BUT
1. they are an oil seal gasket and are wet with oil
2. Are not considered to release friable asbetoes if removed IAW emei's
3. Not all of that type of gasket are asbestoes.
the phrase gearbox, oil and pump should point you in the correct direction if you're curious.
101 Ron
18th December 2012, 06:25 AM
I know messrs Sell and Parker personally, they were importing Tatras a fair few years ago, still have a 4x4 truck mothballed in a yard, pretty nifty bit of kit. One of the business owners used to manufacture trucks for mining and service industries, hence their interest in Macks and Mogs. If I hear anything that I can share, I will, but chances are the rumour mills will let it out before I do.
Ron, where are you hearing this information from? Please PM me if you can't state your source publically.
The information is accurrate and true.........fact.
101 Ron
18th December 2012, 06:31 AM
FYI.
the landrover fleet is asbestoes "clean"
there are 3 potential gaskets that may have asbestoes in them BUT
1. they are an oil seal gasket and are wet with oil
2. Are not considered to release friable asbetoes if removed IAW emei's
3. Not all of that type of gasket are asbestoes.
the phrase gearbox, oil and pump should point you in the correct direction if you're curious.
brake linings is the issuse.
The landrover perenties were made with asbestoes brake linings new.
Not all have be swapped over to non asbestoes types.
Ie the new old vehicles will have the original linings.
At first the whole lot of the perenties was going to be relined for public sale, but it has been discovered the army maintance records are accurate and only some will have to be done.
isuzutoo-eh
18th December 2012, 11:51 AM
I was wrong about Sell and Parker, they are contracted by a friend who doesn't have a finger in that pie anymore.
Sell and Parker have had military contracts for destroying sensitive equipment for a while now, they are awfully good at scrapping stuff but not renowned for rebuilding or onselling anything except scrap iron to China.
Lotz-A-Landies
18th December 2012, 12:06 PM
FYI.
the landrover fleet is asbestoes "clean"
there are 3 potential gaskets that may have asbestoes in them BUT
1. they are an oil seal gasket and are wet with oil
2. Are not considered to release friable asbetoes if removed IAW emei's
3. Not all of that type of gasket are asbestoes.
the phrase gearbox, oil and pump should point you in the correct direction if you're curious.What about "white asbestos" this was only banned from brake lininings in 2003 while brown and blue asbestos were banned in the 80s. Any vehicle built before 2003 is assumed to potentialy have white asbestos, irrespective of the facts of the matter.
Knowing the DoD RATs (Risk Assessment Teams) they are quite likely to have declared vehicles to contain asbestos when none is present. They did this with the Centurian tank at the RNSWL museum, the covers over the exhaust apertures were described as "grey fibrous material, asbestos". The covers were made from leather. :mad:
AS for not informing people about the Sell & Parker tender, AFAIK when people did become aware the tender was only in final submission phase and not confirmed. Anyone contacted by the company would have been under a commercial in-confidence agreement. That is not to say that they were not working on behalf of other enthsiasts to get the best deal we could out of a company with a profit motive. At least that's my opinion.
mark2
28th December 2012, 09:03 AM
My understanding is the vehicles will be sold directly from Sell and Parker with no middle men.
Sell and Parker is doing this alone and they have many scrap yards on the east coast.
The vehicles must be sold with military equiptment removed.
Some vehicles will require disassembly of the brakes and asbestos brake linings removed or replaced with non asbestos types.
At present there is only a few 6x6 perenties and one Mack.
The sell off will be done over many years as the vehicles become advailible.
light trailers and older perenties will be first with 6x6 perenties next .
Macks and mogs will be disposed of by sell and parker in coming years.
I hear a rumour that the M113s will be sold off too, but I suspect not to the public, but for scrap.
What does the definition of 'military equipment' cover? Ie will it extend to canvas tops, hood bows, roll bars, brush bars, jerry can holders, pintle hooks etc etc?
Lotz-A-Landies
28th December 2012, 09:27 AM
What does the definition of 'military equipment' cover? Ie will it extend to canvas tops, hood bows, roll bars, brush bars, jerry can holders, pintle hooks etc etc?Mil equipment would include, convoy lamps & switching, tactical sign holders, gun clips, front exhaust pipes, radio power distribution boxes, 24V charging system and camo paint scheme.
The brush guards may be non-ADR compliant because of the front protrusions.
The, hood bows, jerry can holders and ROP bar could be considered outside the military definitions.
A number of enthusiasts in discussion with S&P the issue of military vehicle collectors has been discussed and there is a possibility that a small number of vehicles may not receive the de-mil and repaint treatment. They would still require asbestos remediation as a condition of disposal from DMO.
The M113 can not be disposed of to the public because of treaties with the US relating to US manufactured military equipment, the only option for their disposal is transfer to another approved signatory country or certified disposal to metal scrap. This is already happening to Canadian and New Zealand M113.
Eevo
31st January 2013, 12:17 AM
Australian Defence Force to sell off tousands of vehicles and other war equipment | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-defence-force-to-sell-off-tousands-of-vehicles-and-other-war-equipment/story-fncynjr2-1226565344839)
AUSTRALIANS will soon be able to own, and use, a slice of military history, as a huge sale of second-hand vehicles kicks off the largest disposal of defence equipment since World War II.
A vast range of war fighting kit from machine guns to jet fighters and torpedos to warships will eventually be sold.
Starting in March, up to 12,000 vehicles, including Land Rovers, trucks, semi-trailers, tankers, Unimogs, motorcycles and trailers valued at more than $100 million will be sold by Sydney-based firm Australian National Disposals, trading as Australian Frontline Machinery (AFM).
Most are about 25 years old with 125,000km on the clock and not a bullet hole in sight, in either khaki or a fetching camouflage paint scheme.
The vehicle offering will eventually include 3300 Land Rovers and light vehicles, 2500 light trailers, 2430 medium trucks, 1100 medium-heavy trucks, 110 semi-trailers and 80 low loaders.
group buy in an F-18?
isuzurover
31st January 2013, 12:28 AM
Full text:
A vast range of war fighting kit from machine guns to jet fighters and torpedos to warships will eventually be sold.
Starting in March, up to 12,000 vehicles, including Land Rovers, trucks, semi-trailers, tankers, Unimogs, motorcycles and trailers valued at more than $100 million will be sold by Sydney-based firm Australian National Disposals, trading as Australian Frontline Machinery (AFM).
Most are about 25 years old with 125,000km on the clock and not a bullet hole in sight, in either khaki or a fetching camouflage paint scheme.
Military vehicles
But you can get an all-terrain Unimog.
They range in quality from rolled-over write-offs to near-pristine vehicles fitted with premium accessories.
Defence is buying a new vehicle fleet for $7 billion with phase three of the project to deliver about 4600 light to heavy vehicles worth $3.1 billion.
Over the 15 years, the Commonwealth will also sell hundreds of warplanes, warships, helicopters, armoured vehicles, explosives and weapons as it moves to replace 85 per cent of military equipment.
Military vehicles
Four-wheel-drive not enough for you? The army has six-wheel-drive variants.
The sale of combat equipment is subject to strict rules to prevent it falling in to the hands of potential enemies or dodgy dictators. Countries such as Fiji, Syria, Yemen and Iran, and companies dealing with such regimes, are on the banned list.
The overall sale of used gear will yield hundreds of millions of dollars that will offset the cost of weapons systems such as new generation submarines and frigates and stealth fighter jets.
The vehicle offering will eventually include 3300 Land Rovers and light vehicles, 2500 light trailers, 2430 medium trucks, 1100 medium-heavy trucks, 110 semi-trailers and 80 low loaders.
Military vehicles
Smaller pieces of equipment will also be for sale, as will trailers to cart it all home in.
The first sale will be held in March using on-line auction house Graysonline when 70 vehicles will go under the virtual hammer.
AFM has a 12,000 square metre undercover facility at Minto in southwest Sydney where the vehicles will be sanitised, upgraded and stored for inspection by potential buyers.
Company spokesman Luke Parker said the vehicles would be thoroughly checked for hazardous materials before being sold under open auction conditions.
Military vehicles
Or maybe you'll buy too much to fit in a trailer.
About 1000 will go each year and many of them will be sold with a blue slip for registration and be ready for work.
"They will be sold unreserved so we expect some absolute bargains will be there for those with the cash on the day," Mr Parker said.
Defence Materiel Minister Jason Clare said the vehicles would be sold to Australian and overseas buyers to maximise the financial return to the Commonwealth.
Military vehicles
And of course, you're going to need fuel...
"A number of vehicles will be reserved and offered exclusively to community and heritage organisations, including the Australian War Memorial, RSLs and other historical organisations," he said.
Interested parties can register their interest with the Defence Disposals Agency at Department Of Defence - Defence Disposal Agency (http://www.defence.gov.au/dda) or e-mail disposals@defence.gov.au
THE DEFENCE GARAGE SALE
12,000 vehicles (3300 Land Rovers variants, 2500 light trailers, 2430 medium trucks)
Up to 24 ships; (Landing ships HMAS Manoora and Kanimbla, supply ship, frigates, barges)
70 combat aircraft; (F/A-18 Hornet fighters)
110 other aircraft; (C-130 Hercules, King Air)
* 120 helicopters; (Sea King, Seahawk, Blackhawk)
* 600 armoured vehicles; (Armoured personnel carriers)
* A range of communications systems, weapons and explosive ordnance (M2A2 Howitzers, 30 calibre machine guns, Hamel guns, M60D Machine guns, SLRs, torpedos).
So now we know who won the contract to sell them... Wonder what the "upgrades" will be before sale :D - maybe the usual car dealer's trick of spraying the engine bay with clear gloss so things look shinier...
Notice the very staggered sale to try and keep prices high...
THE BOOGER
31st January 2013, 01:35 AM
Interesting they say the carriers (m113) will be sold I had heard they were for the scrap metal yard:) Have to wait and see:)
Disco44
31st January 2013, 04:01 AM
Have we anything left?https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/50.jpg
minibloodhound
31st January 2013, 06:02 AM
A mate of mine told me before Christmas that AND won the contract, it's a company half owned by Grays (obviously) but I didn't think they would put them on the website to be auctioned. I thought it would all be done on site like last time with Mannheim.
willyams
31st January 2013, 07:37 AM
Put me down for the hornet group buy :D
bussy1963
31st January 2013, 07:53 AM
I wonder if we could do a group buy and then lease the gear back to the ADF.
Thats after they realize they flogged off the wrong gear.
juddy
31st January 2013, 07:54 AM
3300 land rovers, so there keeping the other 1000 or so?
bob10
31st January 2013, 08:07 AM
Wouldn't mind an LCM 8, fit it out with living space aft, leave enough room for a defender at the front, the ultimate expedition set up. :D [ tell him he's dreamin'] Bob
spudboy
31st January 2013, 10:21 AM
Looks like it is finally happening, after lots of false starts.
That's a LOT of stuff to shift. Can't help thinking that after the first few auctions there won't be anyone left in Australia who wants to buy it. Could see some crazy prices byt the end of things.
Now, I've got to see about that Unimog.....
newlandyowner
31st January 2013, 10:43 AM
its the ultimate garage sale!!!!!!!!!!!
460cixy
31st January 2013, 10:56 AM
One of my mates is keen on a trailer so am I wonder what they go for
Judo
31st January 2013, 11:19 AM
Very interesting! Maybe I will have to bring forward my Defender plans and pickup an Isuzu.... :angel:
I'm a little confused by their "register of interest" document. Is that for individual interest, or commercial reseller interest? Or are they just collecting email addresses to give to Grays??
To summarise: HOW DO I GET HOLD OF AN ISUZU. :D
Davo
31st January 2013, 12:31 PM
Never mind that - who's going to grab all the Landie spares???
Judo
31st January 2013, 12:35 PM
Maybe we need an AULRO poll to see who has the biggest garage. :D
45tr0
31st January 2013, 12:41 PM
Saw this today and it brought me back here to have a look - any inside info?
Australian Defence Force to sell off thousands of vehicles and other war equipment | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-defence-force-to-sell-off-thousands-of-vehicles-and-other-war-equipment/story-fncynjr2-1226565344839)
AndrewGJones
31st January 2013, 12:46 PM
I think the pricing and impracticality will keep my money * in the bank. Far too many 2 door models; any 5 door 110s will be at premium prices, if they even have any left after those 'in the know' have snatched them up before going public.
*my money, hahahaha
rick130
31st January 2013, 12:47 PM
Never mind that - who's going to grab all the Landie spares???
There should be a few 4BD1T's being let go eventually.
Davo
31st January 2013, 03:21 PM
And some LT95s . . . I wonder who will get them and what extortionate prices they will demand.
tracker
31st January 2013, 03:26 PM
Australian Defence Force to sell off thousands of vehicles and other war equipment | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-defence-force-to-sell-off-thousands-of-vehicles-and-other-war-equipment/story-fncynjr2-1226565344839) tooo late!!!
nice bit of reading here:o
101 Ron
31st January 2013, 03:54 PM
Full text:
So now we know who won the contract to sell them... Wonder what the "upgrades" will be before sale :D - maybe the usual car dealer's trick of spraying the engine bay with clear gloss so things look shinier...
Notice the very staggered sale to try and keep prices high...
I notice a Mr Parker is mentioned in the news paper today and the the Location is Minto........Sell and parker are behind it all.
I will try and find out more soon.
As I said they will try and get top dollars.
It will be very interesting to see the results of the on line auction.
Lotz-A-Landies
31st January 2013, 05:29 PM
They had research that most prospective buyers didn't want the camo scheme, so you can bet one of the modifications will be completely re-painted vehicles without tac sign holders or gardening tools at premium prices
AndrewGJones
31st January 2013, 05:49 PM
that would be just like the Oz government, privatise the process of privatising public assets...
So who is going to pay for the paint job? tax payers? It just gets worse doesn't it? too many cooks, not enough broth. the english army seems to be able to crank them out the door without all the omphaloscopy. (gazing at one's naval...thanks incisor)
isuzurover
31st January 2013, 06:26 PM
They had research that most prospective buyers didn't want the camo scheme, so you can bet one of the modifications will be completely re-painted vehicles without tac sign holders or gardening tools at premium prices
I highly doubt that - no way they would consider it cost effective on a 4x4 perentie that would be worth somewhere between $5k and $10k. Plus - if they respray the body, what do they do with the canopy??? [and the interior?].
A panel beater would charge ~$10k for a colour change respray inside and out.
MR LR
31st January 2013, 06:39 PM
Time to start saving!!!
Cobber
31st January 2013, 08:40 PM
The budget doesn't quite stretch to a Hornet unfortunately :D
Thanks for the link :cool:
Davo
31st January 2013, 10:56 PM
A frigate then? Armoured vehicle? Machine gun?
Anyway, seriously, I can't imagine who on earth other than us weirdos here would want a Perentie when you could get something faster, quieter, and so on. If there are that many to be sold, I really wonder where they'd all go.
87County
1st February 2013, 05:24 AM
................
If there are that many to be sold, I really wonder where they'd all go.
All the previous sell-offs of Series LRs have pretty well disappeared either into paddocks or into collectors' sheds.
When the Series LRs were sold off in batches at Holsworthy they went at prices which were generally much higher than either the then non-military market or what they could be subsequently bought for on resale - eg. good Ser 3s sold around $4k at auction, but could be picked up later for $1k to $2k, often with some rego on them.
Those remedial TD5 110s that sold recently went for prices that appeared quite high in relation to the civvie market and, I think, would be difficult to resell now at that price level.
Xtreme
1st February 2013, 06:34 AM
All the previous sell-offs of Series LRs have pretty well disappeared either into paddocks or into collectors' sheds.
When the Series LRs were sold off in batches at Holsworthy they went at prices which were generally much higher than either the then non-military market or what they could be subsequently bought for on resale - eg. good Ser 3s sold around $4k at auction, but could be picked up later for $1k to $2k, often with some rego on them.
Those remedial TD5 110s that sold recently went for prices that appeared quite high in relation to the civvie market and, I think, would be difficult to resell now at that price level.
Good marketing by the vendor/auctioneer or rose coloured glasses of the purchaser/s? :confused:
Roverlord off road spares
1st February 2013, 10:25 AM
Australian Defence Force to sell off thousands of vehicles and other war equipment | News.com.au (http://mobile.news.com.au/national/australian-defence-force-to-sell-off-thousands-of-vehicles-and-other-war-equipment/story-fncynjr2-1226565344839)
ADF selling off stuff
dawsey
1st February 2013, 12:12 PM
Department Of Defence - Defence Disposal Agency (http://www.defence.gov.au/dda/vehicles/index.htm)
goingbush
1st February 2013, 02:53 PM
Actually goes to show how STRONG Landrover front & Salisbury rear axles can be,
according to the specs this Mack Heavy Recovery MC3 is fitted with them :eek:
Department Of Defence - Defence Disposal Agency (http://www.defence.gov.au/dda/vehicles/2320_66_151_7176.htm)
Lotz-A-Landies
1st February 2013, 04:17 PM
You'll be able to build a better army buying things on Parramatta Road car yards. There won't be any armour or weapons sold to the public.
I am also going to merge this with other threads on the subject.
juddy
1st February 2013, 09:05 PM
looks like the Perenties are here..
Ex-Military Trucks, Land Rovers, Motorcycles & Trailers (http://www.graysonline.com/sale/5005418/transport-trucks-and-trailers/unreserved-ex-military-trucks-land-rovers-motorcycles-trailers'spr=t)
jplambs
2nd February 2013, 12:13 AM
Hi Diana, any chance you could move this thread to general chat or have it running concurrently in both sections? Only reason I ask is I am sure there are other members who don't frequent the military vehicles area who may be interested in it and it might also stop the "new thread a day" on the topic.
Cheers J
Lotz-A-Landies
2nd February 2013, 12:21 AM
Hi Diana, any chance you could move this thread to general chat or have it running concurrently in both sections? Only reason I ask is I am sure there are other members who don't frequent the military vehicles area who may be interested in it and it might also stop the "new thread a day" on the topic.
Cheers JNo chance at all.
For the same reason we don't have the same thread running on winches in multiple areas. The original thread was in with the military vehicles so there it stays.
Don't worry about the thread of the day that will still happen no matter where it is and the mods will merge them.
Davo
2nd February 2013, 12:24 PM
All the previous sell-offs of Series LRs have pretty well disappeared either into paddocks or into collectors' sheds.
When the Series LRs were sold off in batches at Holsworthy they went at prices which were generally much higher than either the then non-military market or what they could be subsequently bought for on resale - eg. good Ser 3s sold around $4k at auction, but could be picked up later for $1k to $2k, often with some rego on them.
Those remedial TD5 110s that sold recently went for prices that appeared quite high in relation to the civvie market and, I think, would be difficult to resell now at that price level.
Yeah, I know what you mean. This time around, I can't see any farmers buying these when Toyota parts are so easy to get, and there are only so many collectors.
I can remember SIII ex-Army soft-tops in Perth going for a fair bit in the 90s, but they often sat for a long time as while the price was set for a "rare and special" vehicle, the reality was that few wanted a dodgy 6-cylinder and a canvas roof. I looked at a couple and even a nut like me wasn't going to pay something like a third more than what a good civvy model would cost. And that was well before cheap Indian and Chinese cars hit the market!
Judo
2nd February 2013, 01:36 PM
Are the 110 Land Rovers going to be all canvas soft tops? Or are there hard top 110's in there somewhere as well?
Mick_Marsh
2nd February 2013, 01:44 PM
Yep.
The SURVEY is a hardtop and the PERS and SNR COMD are four door hard tops.
minibloodhound
4th February 2013, 07:07 PM
It's started......
http://www.graysonline.com/sale/5005418/transport-trucks-and-trailers/unreserved-ex-military-trucks-land-rovers-motorcycles-trailers'spr=true
Mick_Marsh
4th February 2013, 07:27 PM
It's started......
Ex-Military Trucks, Land Rovers, Motorcycles & Trailers (http://www.graysonline.com/sale/5005418/transport-trucks-and-trailers/unreserved-ex-military-trucks-land-rovers-motorcycles-trailers'spr=true)
No. Not yet.
That link's been up before. See post 49.
Judo
4th February 2013, 07:36 PM
It's started......
Ex-Military Trucks, Land Rovers, Motorcycles & Trailers (http://www.graysonline.com/sale/5005418/transport-trucks-and-trailers/unreserved-ex-military-trucks-land-rovers-motorcycles-trailers'spr=true)
If you're bidding on an item already you may want to check what it is. ;)
minibloodhound
4th February 2013, 07:39 PM
No. Not yet.
That link's been up before. See post 49.
Oops, my bad. Must have missed that one during one of the thread merges.:angel:
spudboy
4th February 2013, 08:11 PM
It's started......
Ex-Military Trucks, Land Rovers, Motorcycles & Trailers (http://www.graysonline.com/sale/5005418/transport-trucks-and-trailers/unreserved-ex-military-trucks-land-rovers-motorcycles-trailers'spr=true)
On that link it says this:
UNIMOG
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1261.jpg
Mercedes Benz, Unimog Model 1700L, 4WD, Drop Side Body 3.5m x 2.4m, Canvas Cover, Fitted w/- Palfinger PK4600, 1350kg Crane, w/- Single Axle Trailer, 1 Tonne Capacity
Does this imply there is just one for sale? There don't seem to be any quantities listed next to any of the items.
87County
4th February 2013, 08:24 PM
On that link it says this:
UNIMOG
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1261.jpg
Mercedes Benz, Unimog Model 1700L, 4WD, Drop Side Body 3.5m x 2.4m, Canvas Cover, Fitted w/- Palfinger PK4600, 1350kg Crane, w/- Single Axle Trailer, 1 Tonne Capacity
Does this imply there is just one for sale? There don't seem to be any quantities listed next to any of the items.
... evidently a big secret until 1600hrs 21Feb13 :)
.....(when the catalogue becomes available)
spudboy
4th February 2013, 08:27 PM
OK - thanks for that.
Got another question! Lets say you front up, bid & win. Are these things registered to 'drive away' or do you need to get a permit from the RTA or whatever to drive it away? I can see that taking quite some organising + time.
For a Land Rover, you could turn up with a car trailer, but for a Unimog......
87County
4th February 2013, 08:34 PM
OK - thanks for that.
Got another question! Lets say you front up, bid & win. Are these things registered to 'drive away' or do you need to get a permit from the RTA or whatever to drive it away? I can see that taking quite some organising + time.
For a Land Rover, you could turn up with a car trailer, but for a Unimog......
hmmm .. could be quite a problem - definitely not drive away
have a read of the site and the terms...
on-line bidding only and an auction that can be extended ?
why not ring them and ask about numbers of mogs being sold ?
... & perhaps waiting for a local disposal auction could be an option ?
Mick_Marsh
4th February 2013, 08:50 PM
From what I understand they will be ready for registration.
Don't they have people on site who can give a pink, blue, mauve or whatever coloured slip you want?
slug_burner
4th February 2013, 09:04 PM
From what I understand they will be ready for registration.
Don't they have people on site who can give a pink, blue, mauve or whatever coloured slip you want?
Normally sold as is where is and that is not ready for registration. It will be good if they are but I doubt it.
Is that a tongue in your cheek there Mick_Marsh?
Mick_Marsh
4th February 2013, 09:12 PM
I remember reading it somewhere.
Ah. Here it is.
"About 1000 will go each year and many of them will be sold with a blue slip for registration and be ready for work."
from
Australian Defence Force to sell off thousands of vehicles and other war equipment | News.com.au (http://mobile.news.com.au/national/australian-defence-force-to-sell-off-thousands-of-vehicles-and-other-war-equipment/story-fncynjr2-1226565344839)
Quarks
5th February 2013, 08:17 AM
I noticed the 110 in the pic is already on nsw plates, if that's anything to go by.
bond
5th February 2013, 11:21 AM
will any be sold in VIC?
Judo
5th February 2013, 11:22 AM
I just left a VM for Kevin - the guy listed on the Gray's auction page - to ask some questions about the 110's. Mostly stuff that will apply to all the vehicles though, like how many will be on sale, when, over what period, is there a full catalogue, when can I view other vehicles from the catalogue, etc.....
I'll post anything useful...
isuzurover
5th February 2013, 05:23 PM
The Minto site is exploring the best ways to maximise their profit....
Fixed it for you... ;):wasntme:
Landy Smurf
5th February 2013, 07:45 PM
i would like to go but i think things would go for too much anyway. I think there will be a few dealers there
Blknight.aus
5th February 2013, 07:59 PM
I think you will find that the converter dollies were so the S Line Inter and the Mack Fleetliner prime movers could become road trains.
AFAIK they never used the converter dollies behind either the Mack R series or Fleetliner platform trucks.
some were, but only to permit the use of smaller vehicles to move full size trailers, not for general road use.
The Mack's are capable of hauling the semi trailers on a dolly converter, it just wasnt the done thing.
The most common places to see it done was in a terminal area a repair agency or during recovery work where the trailer was the crock.
Lotz-A-Landies
5th February 2013, 08:34 PM
some were, but only to permit the use of smaller vehicles to move full size trailers, not for general road use.
The Mack's are capable of hauling the semi trailers on a dolly converter, it just wasnt the done thing.
The most common places to see it done was in a terminal area a repair agency or during recovery work where the trailer was the crock.Hi Dave
The same sort of conditions where they daisy chain the No.5 trailers, but you are correct I was suggesting that the platform trucks were not used to tow semi trailer/converter dolly combinations on the public roads.
101 Ron
6th February 2013, 06:58 AM
I will not posting on this thread any more.
I will say Sell and Parker/frontline macinery are very good companies and I will bet my bottom dollar any dealings you have with them will be fair.
I sounds like they are trying very hard to get this working well and I expect things will settle down.
I do like the way they seem to be trying to improve the buyng process for all involved and will most likey be a improvement to previous methods.
best luck to all.
circlework
6th February 2013, 09:54 AM
I think these auctions are going to be classed as 'attrition of the weak' style, where the auction is:
a) only held online in a VM (no physical auction room).
b) after the auction end time expires ... 1645hrs 27-02-13, the end time is extended by 10 mins per bid to enable the item to draw the maximum price.
So, I can see a lot of weary souls still sitting at their puters at 0500hrs the next day, if not asleep, then certainly, semi comatose.
Good luck to the insomniac winner! :D :D
spudboy
6th February 2013, 10:10 AM
I reckon that's a great system!
Stops the gazumping that you get in the last 5 seconds of an eBay auction, and gives you 10 minutes to think if you want to increase your bid.
circlework
6th February 2013, 10:24 AM
I reckon that's a great system!
Stops the gazumping that you get in the last 5 seconds of an eBay auction, and gives you 10 minutes to think if you want to increase your bid.
IMO, if someone gets gazumped on fleapay, then the bid amount they entered was less than what others were willing to pay for the item. Quite simple really.
The problem I have with the time extended auctions, is that you'll get two tightwads sitting there, slugging it out, ten minutes at a time. This doesn't happen at a physical auction ... just time wasting.
Just my $0.02.
spudboy
6th February 2013, 10:27 AM
Well it sort of does in a real auction, because you get the Going ... Going .... Gone.... time to decide if you want to bid again, and you know what the other person's maximum bid is.
incisor
6th February 2013, 12:18 PM
I reckon that's a great system!
Stops the gazumping that you get in the last 5 seconds of an eBay auction, and gives you 10 minutes to think if you want to increase your bid.
much prefer the ebay sniper way myself
you sit down in the calm of day, work out what something is worth to you, load the sniper and off you go and have a real life...
auctioneers love the slow death, buyers shouldn't i would have thought.
isuzurover
6th February 2013, 12:33 PM
much prefer the ebay sniper way myself
you sit down in the calm of day, work out what something is worth to you, load the sniper and off you go and have a real life...
auctioneers love the slow death, buyers shouldn't i would have thought.
Agreed. They seem to be putting a lot of effort into extracting every last $ from the sales.
i.e. The first auction seems to only be for one vehicle of each type? (to either guage or drive up prices?). Plus the no closing time thing... Bugger having to hit refresh every 10 minutes ad-infinitum to see if someone has bid higher...
Lotz-A-Landies
6th February 2013, 01:05 PM
Well it sort of does in a real auction, because you get the Going ... Going .... Gone.... time to decide if you want to bid again, and you know what the other person's maximum bid is.That's the thing that auctioneers love about auction systems, the notion that I have to win. It is playing on the gambling nerve.
As Incisor says, I much prefer the sniper system where I decide in the calm light of day what is the maximum I want to pay for something and I load that maximum bid into the sniper software.
The snipe is placed automatically at about 7 seconds before the end of the auction, no ego involvement, no gambling, then find out if I won at my leisure after the auction closes.
spudboy
6th February 2013, 01:07 PM
Just spoke to Kevin at Greys Auctions, and he said roughly the following:
- No registration on Unimogs - have to sort out permits with RTA
- There are 2 Unimogs up for auction, both soft tops with drop side units with Palfinger HIABS but no winches. They both come with trailers on a NATO hitch.
- There is 1 6x6 Ambulance body Perentie up for auction
- No Unimog 6x6 MRVs
all the rest are just 110's.
HTH
David
Also - both Unimogs will have a mechanical inspection report from an independent truck expert...
Judo
6th February 2013, 01:18 PM
Kevin from Gray's just phoned me back.
They're still putting together the catalogue for the upcoming sale. Expecting 15-20 Land Rover 110's, possibly some hardtops included, so the vehicles are not necessarily the exact specs listed on the Gray's page. This is a guide only - the catalogue is the definitive source, which isn't released until 21st Feb.
Although the vehicles haven't been inspected by Gray's yet, they hope to provide blue slips with the vehicle where possible. Additionally they might provide a mechanical report. It sounds like the vehicles are only just now arriving at their site, so they haven't had a chance to get to any of this detail yet. All will be revealed on 21st Feb.
No information available on future sales. Each sale is catalogued in the preceding weeks, so they have no idea what they will sell next or when. Kevin's suggestion (clearly he's in sales) was don't wait if you see something you like, as there is no guarantee there will be more. They might bulk sell some vehicles in the background etc, meaning they never make it to a Gray's auction.
SO, even if there's 1-2 hardtop 110's (what I'm keen to purchase), surely purchasing in this initial auction is going to be costly? The viewing days make it tough being that I'm in Melbourne. I have to decide half way through the auction if it's worth flying to Sydney to look at something. :mad:
Judo
6th February 2013, 01:19 PM
JINX SPUDBOY!
Kevin must be going through his voicemail.. hehe
spudboy
6th February 2013, 01:23 PM
Yeah - he probably has a few to get through! Gave me pretty straight answers and said "I don't know" when he didn't know, so that was good.
I asked about any auctions in Adelaide, and he wasn't keen on saying yes or no, just that it was possible but no plans. So that doesn't look like there's anything local on the horizon :(
Judo
6th February 2013, 01:31 PM
I got a few "I don't know" as well, which is I also felt were honest.
I get the feeling they won't be anywhere but Sydney. At least not in the near future. If I was them, I would only consider other cities if sales were bad...
spudboy
6th February 2013, 02:56 PM
Details of the 2 Unimogs:
Cargo Truck, 5/1989 Merecedes Benz Unimog 4X4 Model UL1700L Flat Top, Vin:WDB43511360152461, Design GVM highway 12,000kg / Cross Country 11,000kg, Design GCM Highway 24,500kg / Cross Country 19,000kg (Army Rated GVM Cross Country 11,000kg / Highway 10,000kg - Army rated GCM Highway 20,000kg / Cross Country 19,000kg). Odomoeter reads 005700 as at 5/02/2013. Diesel engine, 8 speed manual transmission, cabin roof hatch. Camouflage duco. Palfinger type PK4600 / 46 / 244 crane, S/no.8903359, Max lift capacity 1350kg @ 3.3m. Dropside body approx. 3500mm (L) x 2450mm (W) x 500mm dropside height. Checkerplate & mat floor, dropdown bench seating, rear camouflage body cover. Goodyear Omnitrac MSD 12.00 R20 tyres, spare wheel. Ringfeder hitch type 65 N. Coupled with single axle offroad cargo trailer, 1 ton, Leaf spring suspension, approx. 2200mm (L) x 2040mm (W) x 460mm (H). Drop down rear tailgate, rear stabiliser legs, torneau support bars. Note Truck & trailer unregistered.
Cargo Truck, 11/1988 Merecedes Benz Unimog 4X4 Model UL1700L Flat Top, Vin:453511360150324, Design GVM highway 12,000kg / Cross Country 11,000kg, Design GCM Highway 24,500kg / Cross Country 19,000kg (Army Rated GVM Cross Country 11,000kg / Highway 10,000kg - Army rated GCM Highway 20,000kg / Cross Country 19,000kg). Odometer reads 021202 as at 5/02/2013. Diesel engine, 8 speed manual transmission, cabin roof hatch. Camouflage duco. Palfinger type PK4600 / 46 / 244 crane, S/no.8606290, Max lift capacity 1350kg @ 3.3m. Dropside body approx. 3500mm (L) x 2450mm (W) x 500mm dropside height, rear camouflage body cover. Checkerplate & mat floor, dropdown bench seating (1 section missing), Goodyear Omnitrac MSD 12.00 R20 tyres, spare wheel. Ringfeder hitch type 65. Coupled with single axle offroad cargo trailer, 1 ton, Leaf spring suspension, approx. 2200mm (L) x 2040mm (W) x 460mm (H). Drop down rear tailgate, rear stabiliser legs. Note Truck & trailer unregistered - cabin seats ripped.
Note the KMs: 5,700 and 21,000!!
Judo
6th February 2013, 03:13 PM
What are the chances of you owning a Unimog in the next few months then? ;)
spudboy
6th February 2013, 03:25 PM
Hmmmm - don't ask my missus that question!! She is less than keen....
Dunno really. Complications for me would be:
- it's in Sydney
- sorting out the rego (both getting it to Adelaide and then taking it through Regency Park)
- I don't really like auctions
- It's the first auction, so prices may be higher than at later auctions
- They both have Slow Axles
- They both come with trailers
- No air-con, so that's another $5-6K on top
- No winch
Will be watching the prices with interest though. If it is only going for something stupid I will probably bid and sort out all the problems as I come to them.
Hoyks
6th February 2013, 04:40 PM
Talking to a bloke at work that apparently knew a thing or two about the arrangement, the plan is to sell a few at a time and spread it out over a few months and a few locations.
If they sold the lot at 1 auction in 1 location then the prices would be low and the Commonwealth wouldn't get the best return. They can afford to have them sitting around for 12 months and not lose anything as the assets would be sitting in a vehicle compound anyway.
They have a few 1000 units to sell, so no need to dive in on the first few to be sold.
circlework
6th February 2013, 08:23 PM
Details of the 2 Unimogs:
Cargo Truck, 5/1989 Merecedes Benz Unimog 4X4 Model UL1700L Flat Top, Vin:WDB43511360152461, Design GVM highway 12,000kg / Cross Country 11,000kg, Design GCM Highway 24,500kg / Cross Country 19,000kg (Army Rated GVM Cross Country 11,000kg / Highway 10,000kg - Army rated GCM Highway 20,000kg / Cross Country 19,000kg). Odomoeter reads 005700 as at 5/02/2013. Diesel engine, 8 speed manual transmission, cabin roof hatch. Camouflage duco. Palfinger type PK4600 / 46 / 244 crane, S/no.8903359, Max lift capacity 1350kg @ 3.3m. Dropside body approx. 3500mm (L) x 2450mm (W) x 500mm dropside height. Checkerplate & mat floor, dropdown bench seating, rear camouflage body cover. Goodyear Omnitrac MSD 12.00 R20 tyres, spare wheel. Ringfeder hitch type 65 N. Coupled with single axle offroad cargo trailer, 1 ton, Leaf spring suspension, approx. 2200mm (L) x 2040mm (W) x 460mm (H). Drop down rear tailgate, rear stabiliser legs, torneau support bars. Note Truck & trailer unregistered.
Cargo Truck, 11/1988 Merecedes Benz Unimog 4X4 Model UL1700L Flat Top, Vin:453511360150324, Design GVM highway 12,000kg / Cross Country 11,000kg, Design GCM Highway 24,500kg / Cross Country 19,000kg (Army Rated GVM Cross Country 11,000kg / Highway 10,000kg - Army rated GCM Highway 20,000kg / Cross Country 19,000kg). Odometer reads 021202 as at 5/02/2013. Diesel engine, 8 speed manual transmission, cabin roof hatch. Camouflage duco. Palfinger type PK4600 / 46 / 244 crane, S/no.8606290, Max lift capacity 1350kg @ 3.3m. Dropside body approx. 3500mm (L) x 2450mm (W) x 500mm dropside height, rear camouflage body cover. Checkerplate & mat floor, dropdown bench seating (1 section missing), Goodyear Omnitrac MSD 12.00 R20 tyres, spare wheel. Ringfeder hitch type 65. Coupled with single axle offroad cargo trailer, 1 ton, Leaf spring suspension, approx. 2200mm (L) x 2040mm (W) x 460mm (H). Drop down rear tailgate, rear stabiliser legs. Note Truck & trailer unregistered - cabin seats ripped.
Note the KMs: 5,700 and 21,000!!
geeez spud, you're on the ball today .... but I need the ambo info. :)
Cheers
spudboy
6th February 2013, 08:32 PM
Oh - sorry I didn't ask for that. Just ring Kevin and he will email you the details. He's pretty quick to get back with enquiries.
Cheers
David
Judo
7th February 2013, 02:04 PM
Hmmmm - don't ask my missus that question!! She is less than keen....
Dunno really. Complications for me would be:
- it's in Sydney
- sorting out the rego (both getting it to Adelaide and then taking it through Regency Park)
- I don't really like auctions
- It's the first auction, so prices may be higher than at later auctions
- They both have Slow Axles
- They both come with trailers
- No air-con, so that's another $5-6K on top
- No winch
Will be watching the prices with interest though. If it is only going for something stupid I will probably bid and sort out all the problems as I come to them.
I'm with you on these points! SWMBO is OK with me buying a 110, but there is expectation I would sell the Disco. Not sure I agree on that point!! Cross that bridge when we come to it. :p
As Hoyks has pointed out, I think I need to restrain myself from bidding on the first auction unless it's going for a bargain price. There is so many more to go... I can't afford to fly to Sydney unless I'm committing and bidding without looking at it seems risky?!?!? :confused: I don't want to end up winning one cheap, only to find out there was a reason it was so cheap!
circlework
7th February 2013, 03:57 PM
As Hoyks has pointed out, I think I need to restrain myself from bidding on the first auction unless it's going for a bargain price. There is so many more to go... I can't afford to fly to Sydney unless I'm committing and bidding without looking at it seems risky?!?!? :confused: I don't want to end up winning one cheap, only to find out there was a reason it was so cheap!
The first auctions will probably have some of the best stock, just to attract top dollar and set a precedent. For example the 6x6 ambo ... now how many of those were produced? (anyone know?) I would have guessed, less than 60? Anyhow, I would have thought that the blood boxes would be pristine compared with most of the other 6x6 variants.
For mine, I'm waiting to see what this release, irrespective of the slow quantity, does to the prices, say one year from now. Particularly to the second hand market, where I'm guessing that some of the auction vehicles will end up being sold off at a loss cos SWAMBO can't stand them. Can just picture some of the henpecked 'winners' when SWMBO alights from her first ride, with a 'WHAT HAVE YOU GOTTEN US INTO???" :twisted:
Cheers
Judo
7th February 2013, 04:17 PM
The first auctions will probably have some of the best stock, just to attract top dollar and set a precedent. For example the 6x6 ambo ... now how many of those were produced? (anyone know?) I would have guessed, less than 60? Anyhow, I would have thought that the blood boxes would be pristine compared with most of the other 6x6 variants.
Good point on the best stock at the start... highly possible. Also agree that some of the vehicles might be minimal, but I'm looking at a 110. I'm guessing a fair few of them? Although I'm unsure how many will be hardtops...
For mine, I'm waiting to see what this release, irrespective of the slow quantity, does to the prices, say one year from now. Particularly to the second hand market, where I'm guessing that some of the auction vehicles will end up being sold off at a loss cos SWAMBO can't stand them. Can just picture some of the henpecked 'winners' when SWMBO alights from her first ride, with a 'WHAT HAVE YOU GOTTEN US INTO???" :twisted:
Cheers
lol good point, but now that I've seen them I'm impatient and want one NOW. :twisted:
Hoyks
7th February 2013, 05:15 PM
Some one has too much time on their hands ;) and round the numbers down a bit for attrition.
Land Rover Perentie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
4X4 Variants
Truck, Utility, Lightweight, MC2 (Mobility Category 2) (1222 Vehicles)
Truck, Utility, Lightweight, Winch, MC2 (314 Vehicles)
Truck, Utility, Lightweight, FFR (Fitted For Radio), MC2 (964 Vehicles)
Truck, Utility, Lightweight, FFR, Winch, MC2 (208 Vehicles)
Truck, Panel, Lightweight, Survey, FFR, Winch, MC2 (35 Vehicles)
Truck, Carryall, Lightweight, Senior Commander, FFR, Winch, MC2 (11 Vehicles)
Truck, Carryall, Lightweight, Personnel Carrier, MC2 (38 Vehicles)
Truck, Surveillance, Lightweight, Winch, MC2 (RFSV, Remote Field Surveillance Vehicle) (231 Vehicles)
6X6 Variants
Truck, Cargo, Light, MC2 (215 Vehicles)
Truck, Cargo, Light, Winch, MC2 (32 Vehicles)
Truck, Ambulance, 4 Litter, FFR, Winch, MC2 (94 Vehicles)
Truck, General Maintenance, Light, Winch, MC2 (GMV) (181 Vehicles)
Truck, Electronic Repair, Light, MC2 (ERV) (40 Vehicles) and Truck, Comsec Repair Workshop *Vehicle, Light, MC2 (12 Vehicles)
Truck, Long Range Patrol, Light, Winch, MC2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Patrol_Vehicle) (LRPV) (27 Vehicles)
Truck, Air Defence, Light, FFR, Winch, MC2 (72 Vehicles)
Truck, Crew Cab, Light, Winch, MC2 (26 Vehicles)
Truck, Infantry Improvised Mobility Vehicle, MC2 (number unknown)
circlework
7th February 2013, 07:57 PM
Some one has too much time on their hands ;) and round the numbers down a bit for attrition.
Ummmmm [bigwhistle]
Judo
7th February 2013, 08:19 PM
Department Of Defence - Defence Disposal Agency (http://www.defence.gov.au/dda/vehicles/index.htm)
It says in there that the army is disposing of the vehicles between 2012-2020, so that might also indicate that not all of them have been contracted out for private sale yet?
Mick_Marsh
7th February 2013, 09:04 PM
Department Of Defence - Defence Disposal Agency (http://www.defence.gov.au/dda/vehicles/index.htm)
It says in there that the army is disposing of the vehicles between 2012-2020, so that might also indicate that not all of them have been contracted out for private sale yet?
Yep. They'll be disposing of them as they become available.
Have they got all their G wagens in service yet?
When do they get their Hawkeyes?
dayswaste
8th February 2013, 05:33 PM
Waiting to be trucked out of Darwin:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
Lotz-A-Landies
8th February 2013, 07:02 PM
Some one has too much time on their hands ;) and round the numbers down a bit for attrition.
4X4 Variants
Truck, Utility, Lightweight, MC2 (Mobility Category 2) (1222 Vehicles)
Truck, Utility, Lightweight, Winch, MC2 (314 Vehicles)
Truck, Utility, Lightweight, FFR (Fitted For Radio), MC2 (964 Vehicles)
Truck, Utility, Lightweight, FFR, Winch, MC2 (208 Vehicles)
Truck, Panel, Lightweight, Survey, FFR, Winch, MC2 (35 Vehicles)
Truck, Carryall, Lightweight, Senior Commander, FFR, Winch, MC2 (11 Vehicles)
Truck, Carryall, Lightweight, Personnel Carrier, MC2 (38 Vehicles)
Truck, Surveillance, Lightweight, Winch, MC2 (RFSV, Remote Field Surveillance Vehicle) (231 Vehicles)There will be a lot of interest in those eleven vehicles.
Judo
8th February 2013, 08:12 PM
^^ Agreed. I'm one of them... and I bet there's more than 11 of us interested! The 38 below it are also good though. The same but without a winch from what I understand. I'd be happy with one of those too. But still... that's not very many!
Lotz-A-Landies
8th February 2013, 08:52 PM
^^ Agreed. I'm one of them... and I bet there's more than 11 of us interested! The 38 below it are also good though. The same but without a winch from what I understand. I'd be happy with one of those too. But still... that's not very many!I think you will find the Senior Commander is a 5 door station wagon and the Personnel Carrier is a 3 door hardtop.
The difference between the Truck Panel and the Truck Carryall is that the carryall has windows in the rear sides where the panel doesn't.
isuzutoo-eh
8th February 2013, 09:06 PM
^^ Agreed. I'm one of them... and I bet there's more than 11 of us interested! The 38 below it are also good though. The same but without a winch from what I understand. I'd be happy with one of those too. But still... that's not very many!
Heh, I already have a station wagon body...albeit rough...just want the galvanised bits and a firewall :D
Or that's the theory...
Judo
8th February 2013, 09:20 PM
Heh, I already have a station wagon body...albeit rough...just want the galvanised bits and a firewall :D
Or that's the theory...
Greedy! :p
Cobber
9th February 2013, 07:16 PM
A frigate then? Armoured vehicle? Machine gun?
Anyway, seriously, I can't imagine who on earth other than us weirdos here would want a Perentie when you could get something faster, quieter, and so on. If there are that many to be sold, I really wonder where they'd all go.I suspect the NZ defence force will be going shopping - they usually do when Australia sells of gear :D (seriously!)
Mick_Marsh
9th February 2013, 08:53 PM
I suspect the NZ defence force will be going shopping - they usually do when Australia sells of gear :D (seriously!)
They sold off their Mogs some years ago, or so I thought.
I remember the add in the newspaper. A few made it to Australia.
Given we have held on to them for so long, they are well past their use by date and the nature of warfare has changed, I suspect overseas defence forces would not be interested.
Slunnie
9th February 2013, 09:28 PM
Am I the only one who would love a 6x6. Ute for me please. The decision would be... show or camper.
PhillH
9th February 2013, 09:39 PM
Am I the only one who would love a 6x6. Ute for me please. The decision would be... show or camper.
Your definitely not the only one looking at a 6x6. I am looking for a troopy version when they come up!
So who is actually planning on having a look at the vehicles in the first (or subsequent auctions? It’s a bit far to travel mid week for most of us who are not in Sydney and, I suspect, quite a few in Sydney to travel to check them out.
Phill
THE BOOGER
9th February 2013, 09:44 PM
I suspect the NZ defence force will be going shopping - they usually do when Australia sells of gear :D (seriously!)
Actualy I was surprised that they didnt join in with the gwagen contract:o
THE BOOGER
9th February 2013, 09:47 PM
Your definitely not the only one looking at a 6x6. I am looking for a troopy version when they come up!
So who is actually planning on having a look at the vehicles in the first (or subsequent auctions? It’s a bit far to travel mid week for most of us who are not in Sydney and, I suspect, quite a few in Sydney to travel to check them out.
Phill
I am about 25 min from minto and hope to get out for a look will see if they allow pics and maybe a sample or two:D
Judo
10th February 2013, 10:06 AM
Pics and/or general feedback on some of the vehicles would be welcomed by many!
Edit: I'm interested in the 110's. ;)
Blknight.aus
10th February 2013, 11:00 AM
Dont get the 6x6 dual cab air defence type ones, they are just as crap as the engines that are in them.
Slunnie
10th February 2013, 11:08 AM
Dont get the 6x6 dual cab air defence type ones, they are just as crap as the engines that are in them.
Do tell for those who know nahsing???
Blknight.aus
10th February 2013, 11:44 AM
you should take my word for it and just dont buy any of that particular varient.
A quick search using the terms isuzu, 4bd1, shake, leak and rust should suffice, saves me typing out the whole list of problems.
Slunnie
10th February 2013, 12:05 PM
No plans on buying one, more that it it had a rubbish engine etc - I'm assuming its a 4BD1 non turbo. I was under the impression until your post that all 6x6 had 4BD1T motors.
Xtreme
10th February 2013, 12:15 PM
Trying to reduce the competition when you're bidding for one Dave? :D :wasntme:
Blknight.aus
10th February 2013, 01:20 PM
:whistling:
Milkman Dan
16th February 2013, 07:51 PM
Ex-Military Trucks, Land Rovers, Motorcycles & Trailers (http://www.graysonline.com/sale/5005418/transport-trucks-and-trailers/unreserved-ex-military-trucks-land-rovers-motorcycles-trailers'spr=true)
Ex Military RIGIDs, COWs, & Zodiacs-Department of Defence (http://www.graysonline.com/sale/5005515/boats-marine-aircraft/ex-military-rigids-cow-zodiac-camera-trailer-department-of-defence'spr=true)
Just found them on Grays online.
Enjoy.
Mick_Marsh
16th February 2013, 08:04 PM
There are quite a few threads bouncing around about this already.
87County
16th February 2013, 09:53 PM
There are quite a few threads bouncing around about this already.
.........as usual :D
carlschmid2002
16th February 2013, 10:29 PM
After 24 years in the Army and spending a lot of time in all LR variants I would be very wary if buying a 6x6 as they are very unreliable. I have not experienced any problems with the 110s but they will shake your fillings out if you sit at the traffic lights for too long. I generally rev it a bit to stop the rattles.
Lotz-A-Landies
17th February 2013, 12:43 AM
Carl
Can you comment further about what are the specific points of unreliability of the 6x6 variants?
Diana
weeds
17th February 2013, 08:57 AM
Carl
Can you comment further about what are the specific points of unreliability of the 6x6 variants?
Diana
Would also like to here as well.......
I have driven 10's a thousands of k's in 202 045 on and off over the last 15 years and can only remember two failures, snapped front axle (operator doing silly things) but drove 300km with CDL engaged and a seized intermediate diff (diff was not refilled during a service.....it drove 600k before seizing). In all the years I followed the grunts around in IIMV's they had the same minor issues as the 110's. I seem to remember being stuck on the side of the road tendering to unimogs. 202 045 was tweaked and had an upgraded exhaust for quite a awhile and was driven pretty hard nearly every time it was taken out and survived.
The biggest concern I have is the intermediate tyres ESP when they (GMV's)are loaded to 5 1/2 - 6 tonnes. I reckon these tyres only had a third if the life of the other axles.
Re idle on the 110 sure some of the were set a little low but most operator just set the hand throttle once and that as the end of it.
Cobber
17th February 2013, 04:13 PM
Waiting to be trucked out of Darwin:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=56503&stc=1&d=1360308674Pity we can't go in and make them an offer, and save on freight ;):D
Judo
17th February 2013, 05:43 PM
Passed a new army 6x6 Mercedes on the Hume today. I thought of this thread... Good to know they've started using them and making way to sell off the Land Rovers! Their loss is our gain! :)
Ranga
17th February 2013, 06:30 PM
Passed a new army 6x6 Mercedes on the Hume today. I thought of this thread... Good to know they've started using them and making way to sell off the Land Rovers! Their loss is our gain! :)
Only one? I imagine there could have been about 7 in convoy :angel:
Ranga
17th February 2013, 06:34 PM
Ex-Military Trucks, Land Rovers, Motorcycles & Trailers (http://www.graysonline.com/sale/5005418/transport-trucks-and-trailers/unreserved-ex-military-trucks-land-rovers-motorcycles-trailers'spr=true)
Ex Military RIGIDs, COWs, & Zodiacs-Department of Defence (http://www.graysonline.com/sale/5005515/boats-marine-aircraft/ex-military-rigids-cow-zodiac-camera-trailer-department-of-defence'spr=true)
Just found them on Grays online.
Enjoy.
Hmmm... wonder what the BMW Model R1150 will go for? :confused:
Judo
17th February 2013, 06:38 PM
Only one? I imagine there could have been about 7 in convoy :angel:
Sounds like inside knowledge. And I thought I passed the same one 7 times. :p
Ratel10mm
17th February 2013, 07:06 PM
I went past the holding yard (?) at Eagle Farm / Pinkenba yesterday for the first time in a few weeks. The place has been decimated - the only Landy I saw was one that was quite badly crumpled along the near side. Last time I went past there were dozens there. Surely they wouldn't be worth shipping to Sydney to sell off? Assuming that's what they were stored there for, of course.
THE BOOGER
17th February 2013, 07:35 PM
Hmmm... wonder what the BMW Model R1150 will go for? :confused:
I will look at that one my self worth selling both kwakas i have now for that:D
weeds
21st February 2013, 11:04 AM
grrrrr, have to wait til 4pm to see whats being sold
460cixy
21st February 2013, 12:04 PM
Trailers are starting at $9 and are un reg I'm told
disco2_dan
21st February 2013, 12:56 PM
Where are they being sold from?
460cixy
21st February 2013, 01:10 PM
****ney some place I think
Judo
21st February 2013, 01:30 PM
Just because I'm nice.
Ex-Military Trucks, Land Rovers, Motorcycles & Trailers (http://www.graysonline.com/sale/5005418/transport-trucks-and-trailers/unreserved-ex-military-trucks-land-rovers-motorcycles-trailers'spr=true)
(This has appeared in the thread at least 4 times from memory)
Eevo
21st February 2013, 03:03 PM
open
BID! BID BID!
MacMan
21st February 2013, 03:08 PM
Must. Not. Look. :D
Lotz-A-Landies
21st February 2013, 03:20 PM
Must. Not. Look. :Dlot=0027-5005418+bid+$20001+TIME16:44:55+DATE27:02:2013 :)
Eevo
21st February 2013, 03:23 PM
Must. Not. Look. :D
dont look, just BID! BID! BID!
Disco Muppet
21st February 2013, 03:31 PM
You want Landrover?
$9 best price for you!
I'll be interested to see the prices in a few days time.
PhillH
21st February 2013, 03:33 PM
lot=0027-5005418+bid+$20001+TIME16:44:55+DATE27:02:2013 :)
So you think that the ambo will only make $20k or is that just wishful thinking?
Lotz-A-Landies
21st February 2013, 03:36 PM
So you think that the ambo will only make $20k or is that just wishful thinking?Just hoping I guess, with the recent D4 purchase I don't think I can even stretch that far ATM.
I don't think the first auction off the mark is the time to be buying however - it has to go silly! :(
PhillH
21st February 2013, 03:48 PM
I agree but if it hasn't gone crazy by the closing I will have one (for $9 hopefully). Even for $500 one of the 4x4 would be a great bargain no matter the shape its in.
Judo
21st February 2013, 03:51 PM
I agree but if it hasn't gone crazy by the closing I will have one (for $9 hopefully). Even for $500 one of the 4x4 would be a great bargain no matter the shape its in.
x2
Big question is, who in Sydney is going to look at them for us all? :D
Lotz-A-Landies
21st February 2013, 04:06 PM
x2
Big question is, who in Sydney is going to look at them for us all? :DI don't know ANYONE in Sydney! :angel:
Judo
21st February 2013, 04:08 PM
I know it's crazy. Such a big community on here and no one lives in Sydney! ;)
isuzutoo-eh
21st February 2013, 04:11 PM
Hmmm arguably the most desirable of the fourbies, a Senior Commanders with less than 9000km on the clock, that'll attract a premium!
Do the hard tops and Senior Comms have ROPS or just the soft tops? I'd like something with ROPS...
THE BOOGER
21st February 2013, 04:14 PM
Unforunatly I am heading to qland for a weeks hols on monday:D will try and get to look at them tomorrow if I can take pics I will:)
Lotz-A-Landies
21st February 2013, 04:19 PM
Unforunatly I am heading to qland for a weeks hols on monday:D will try and get to look at them tomorrow if I can take pics I will:)Are they open for inspection tomorrow?
I thought it's only Saturday, Monday and Tuesday.
MacMan
21st February 2013, 04:44 PM
dont look, just BID! BID! BID!
It was only this weekend just passed that we had the "no more projects" chat.
I planted the seed with a 6x6 bloodwagon - emailed with the idea it would make a great go anywhere camper.
For $9 I could always try the "followed me home" line.
Or I could shut up and behave.
Judo
21st February 2013, 04:46 PM
Hmmm arguably the most desirable of the fourbies, a Senior Commanders with less than 9000km on the clock, that'll attract a premium!
Do the hard tops and Senior Comms have ROPS or just the soft tops? I'd like something with ROPS...
Yup. Totally the vehicle I'm interested in, but the inspection days are terrible for me (and being in Melbourne) so I might sit this one out and hope there's more cheaper ones later. Only 1 x 4 door each auction is certainly going to make for some interesting prices...
In saying that, I'd be curious to know what the "Unregistered Vehicle Inspection Report" says if anyone is going by! Never know... I might spontaneously decide to drive the auction price up! :angel:
Edit: *mind blank* What's ROPS?
THE BOOGER
21st February 2013, 05:17 PM
Are they open for inspection tomorrow?
I thought it's only Saturday, Monday and Tuesday.
Yep your right that makes it a bit difficult am busy sat will see how things go:(
inside
21st February 2013, 05:22 PM
ROPS = Roll Over Protection System
The SC do not have this. Essentially just a 110 body.
http://aciai.me/i/Nwbtr.png
THE BOOGER
21st February 2013, 05:25 PM
Interesting that the FFR still has its power dist box
weeds
21st February 2013, 05:41 PM
gotta love how they have been demilitarized.............i'm sure it was mention round here somewhere:angel::angel:
and what the hell is everybody doing bidding on the first day...........
re: ROP's i wonder is a mod plate will need to be fitted for rego?
Distortion
21st February 2013, 05:42 PM
EDIT: looks like Weeds just asked the same question
I was actually just wondering about the ROPS.
Does anyone know if there will be difficulties/ADR issues in getting the soft tops registered
I'm sure the hard tops are no issue as there are civilian equivalents but the soft tops I have no idea about and it had not even occurred to me that it might be an issue
weeds
21st February 2013, 05:53 PM
i was thinking just remove the rop however you will than need a canopy bow
they look like original fitment so most roadworthy places wouldn't know any different
EDIT: looks like Weeds just asked the same question
I was actually just wondering about the ROPS.
Does anyone know if there will be difficulties/ADR issues in getting the soft tops registered
I'm sure the hard tops are no issue as there are civilian equivalents but the soft tops I have no idea about and it had not even occurred to me that it might be an issue
manic
21st February 2013, 06:28 PM
ooo so many isuzu powered landy's! I would totally buy that ambulance and turn it into a super camper if I had the space/time/money. Ambulance, 05/1989 Land Rover model 110 6X6. Vin:SALLDMAZ1BF371226. GVM 5,6 Auction (0027-5005418) | GraysOnline Australia (http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0027-5005418/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/ambulance-05-1989-land-rover-model-110-6x6-vin-salldmaz1bf371226-gvm-5-6)
Drool.
Judo
21st February 2013, 07:07 PM
^^ Agreed. An ambulance camper would be an awesome project..... in 10 years time for me!
Hope the prices slow down a bit!! :eek:
landy
21st February 2013, 09:20 PM
Hello all,
I read the "Army" newspaper today and on page 5 was an intresting artical saying how you can apply for ex military vehicles if you are a history or special interest group.
Hope the link helps. If not search "Army" newspaper. 14 Feb 13.
Cheers
Nino
Army - The Soldiers Newspaper : February 14th 2013, Page 1 - Defence Newspapers | The Soldiers Army (http://digital.realviewtechnologies.com/ipad/?xml=defencenews_army.xml#folio=5)
460cixy
21st February 2013, 10:35 PM
It's insane I just want a trailer but there up to 800 all ready for a bloody box trailer
Blknight.aus
21st February 2013, 11:05 PM
my money says that about the hardest things for you to get them past roadworthy with will be
the recovery points that poke out in front of the bull bar and the ones at the rear
the lighting systems.
other than that they are ADR compliant for the year in which they were made.
blue_mini
21st February 2013, 11:22 PM
I'm tempted to put a bid on one, get in while everyone is waiting to see what they go for.
brikel
22nd February 2013, 05:02 AM
Would appear the ambulance has been sitting around for about two years. From the fault list doesn't appear to be too much wrong with it as seen on the Additional Images tag http://res0.graysonline.com/handlers/attachmenthandler.ashx't=sh&id=2541494&filename=Additional+Images.pdf
Blknight.aus
22nd February 2013, 05:18 AM
Dont get one they're not ADR comlaint, cant be made so, never have been never will be, piece of useless landrover crap.
Download the pdf from the previous post.
look at page 2 of that pdf
Anyone got any other stupid comments to make up to and including "thats a compliance plate off of a civvy landy" and "you photoshopped it" that I can just bide my time about before displaying rimmer like smugness about proving you wrong about?
460cixy
22nd February 2013, 06:03 AM
Rimmer like smugness I like that
rick130
22nd February 2013, 07:09 AM
Download the pdf from the previous post.
look at page 2 of that pdf
Anyone got any other stupid comments to make up to and including "thats a compliance plate off of a civvy landy" and "you photoshopped it" that I can just bide my time about before displaying rimmer like smugness about proving you wrong about?
Where'd he come from (or go to ?) Dave?
Geez the mods are quick around here :D
sheerluck
22nd February 2013, 07:21 AM
Everything has shot up in price on that auction, not much in the way of bargains left at all, with 5 days still to run. :(
weeds
22nd February 2013, 07:32 AM
Everything has shot up in price on that auction, not much in the way of bargains left at all, with 5 days still to run. :(
they will probably sit in car yards for the next 12 months with stupid prices on them
D110V8D
22nd February 2013, 07:38 AM
I think as long as they're out of army hands and in the hands of the public/general marketplace means I will eventually get my hands on one. If I miss out during the auctions that is. :D
Xtreme
22nd February 2013, 08:37 AM
On top of the bid prices going crazy, one must also realise that GST and a buyers premium of 6% will be added to the final bid price of the item. GST will also be added to the buyers premium.
So that makes the Ambo currently at a collection price of about $17,500 :o
Judo
22nd February 2013, 09:58 AM
It seems people like this might be driving the prices up.
Land Rover Ex army perentie Isuzu 3.9 powered | Other Automotive | Gumtree Australia Gawler Area - Gawler (http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/gawler/other-automotive/land-rover-ex-army-perentie-isuzu-3-9-powered/1014689252?ea=3285543&utm_source=ALERTS&utm_medium=EMAIL&utm_campaign=EMAIL_ALERTS)
PhillH
22nd February 2013, 10:53 AM
Looks like there will be a few going to Rocklea if B.L. wins all the ones they are bidding on. Lots of initials and locations the same on many different items. Will just have to wait it out and see what turns up in a couple of auctions time I think.
Barefoot Dave
22nd February 2013, 11:26 AM
So, one of the big questions is :
Is the 5 door a Senior command?
Prices are coming up quite quickly!
I'll only get a little tickle when I see an RFSV (51:677-680)
I'm actually more interested in the watercraft. A COWS on a trailer for $20K!!
That's a business waiting to happen, there!
(Commando Operational Watercraft, 10 seater, jet, ATV loading ramps!, fun times)
Dave
Blknight.aus
22nd February 2013, 01:12 PM
5 doors are typically the senior command...
think 5 door county.
Barefoot Dave
22nd February 2013, 01:20 PM
Thanks Dave.
49.183 (lot 29) seems to be getting a lot of interest?! Seems a lot for a Survey car with 180k on the clock. Is that the one with the hidden 20kgs of H, smuggled back from AG?
:wasntme:
Must drag away from stuff i'm not buying.........
B Dave
Blknight.aus
22nd February 2013, 01:24 PM
I might know someone who might be able to look up the service history of some of the vehicles.....
NO REMLR, I am not going to ask him to get the specs and ata on every single lr or associated bit of kit thats going out.
AndrewGJones
22nd February 2013, 02:53 PM
when the buying frenzy is over and SHMBO has withdrawn certain favours from trigger fingered LR addicts and their weak wills finally lay broken like so many plastic dashboards; I will enjoy lazily snapping up a bargain at my leisure!
Bid away boys, you can't hide this one behind the wardrobe!
circlework
22nd February 2013, 03:41 PM
It seems people like this might be driving the prices up.
Land Rover Ex army perentie Isuzu 3.9 powered | Other Automotive | Gumtree Australia Gawler Area - Gawler (http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/gawler/other-automotive/land-rover-ex-army-perentie-isuzu-3-9-powered/1014689252?ea=3285543&utm_source=ALERTS&utm_medium=EMAIL&utm_campaign=EMAIL_ALERTS)
Don't think he's going at it with a blank cheque. You wouldn't expect him to buy for the top price and also make a profit. At least not like those that bought TD5's. :Rolling:
Davehoos
22nd February 2013, 08:19 PM
Lot 29 one of the type i should be looking at never though of these
bit rich for me now.
I remember the fuss at aproving the rear fan housing and the filters.wire for the number plate light.
some of the FFR are closer to my budget.a few a probably some of my handywork.
the wagon would be a very early unit.before we built the FFR version.
the fuss they made of us fitting screws to hold the rear vents without the OK.
I remember mostly ARN 48.--- and some 49.--- but by the sales dates i can also look at some early 50's.
rijidij
22nd February 2013, 08:39 PM
The first lot is on Graysonline (http://www.graysonline.com/sale/5005418/transport-trucks-and-trailers/unreserved-ex-military-trucks-land-rovers-motorcycles-trailers'spr=true) now.
Cheers, Murray
LandyAndy
22nd February 2013, 09:37 PM
How many of you lot bidding on the 6x6 Perentie Ambo:):):):):)
Andrew
Mick_Marsh
22nd February 2013, 09:45 PM
How many of you lot bidding on the 6x6 Perentie Ambo:):):):):)
Andrew
They don't accept my bid of "left testicle".
I might have to offer up both.
Davo
22nd February 2013, 10:01 PM
If you go any further than that offer then maybe you're getting a little carried away!
justinc
22nd February 2013, 10:06 PM
oi you two!! leave off it's mine i tell ya!!!!:mad::mad::mad::D:D:D:D
jc
Landy Smurf
22nd February 2013, 10:17 PM
it is going to be interesting too see how much they end up going for. some of them are quite high already with still a few days left when the bidding normally escalates
Davo
22nd February 2013, 10:20 PM
I'll be looking on later when the auctions close, (sad and depressed), but looking at the bid history now you can see it's twenty or a hundred dollars or so at a time. I wonder who all these bidders are? And what these Landies will go for in about five years or so?
2stroke
23rd February 2013, 05:41 AM
Wow, a 4 door Isuzu 110 with 9000 km?
slug_burner
23rd February 2013, 06:20 AM
Wow, a 4 door Isuzu 110 with 9000 km?
Most likely after a rebuild.
circlework
23rd February 2013, 09:14 AM
Wow!
Some of those are going for silly money and it's got four days to run.
Sure is starting to make the old County look good. :)
inside
23rd February 2013, 11:02 AM
Wow, a 4 door Isuzu 110 with 9000 km?
No way that has 9000km. Wear on pedals, missing knobs from dash, worn paint from gear shift knobs, scratches in rear, front seats replaced, rear seats torn, scratches in back, bent mud flap retainers.
It has likely been clocked, but could be fully rebuilt, gearboxes, diffs etc etc.
weeds
23rd February 2013, 12:04 PM
No way that has 9000km. Wear on pedals, missing knobs from dash, worn paint from gear shift knobs, scratches in rear, front seats replaced, rear seats torn, scratches in back, bent mud flap retainers.
It has likely been clocked, but could be fully rebuilt, gearboxes, diffs etc etc.
probably had a new speedo fitted....in the old days we would write the old km's on the face of the speedo but this only confused the operators.......the maintenance management system looks after it now
numpty
23rd February 2013, 02:00 PM
No way that has 9000km. Wear on pedals, missing knobs from dash, worn paint from gear shift knobs, scratches in rear, front seats replaced, rear seats torn, scratches in back, bent mud flap retainers.
It has likely been clocked, but could be fully rebuilt, gearboxes, diffs etc etc.
This is unlikely, as dont the speedos from this vintage run to 999,999.
I know my Stage 1 only went to 99,999
I Love My Landy!
23rd February 2013, 03:21 PM
Just returned from viewing the vehicles. there is a lot of interest.Had a look at the 4 door 110.Pretty rough i thought for the kilometres,drivers side A pillar has been poorly repaired,looks like rust repaired with bog..passenger rear door bog peeling off.seats ripped and recovered in different shades of green. Saw other hardtops and softtops with a lot more kilometres in better original condition.I dont believe some of the kilometres shown as the hour meter readings vary so much eg, 160k with 2520 hrs. 156k with 3712 hrs.The ambo was up to 30k this morning,.Another interesting thing is that someone in Qld has the highest bid on just about the lot .What an enthusiast!!!
Overall l think the bids are getting out of hand with still 4 days to go.
How many of you are going to the Landrover festival 8-10 March 2013 at Grabine State Park.Check out website | Australian East Coast Land Rover Festival (http://www.aeclrf.com.au)
Landy Smurf
23rd February 2013, 03:42 PM
i am waiting for the trailers and the land rovers to jump up in price.
I want the cement mixer
mudmouse
23rd February 2013, 04:02 PM
I reckon a lot of interest (bidding) would be from rental companies...
The auctions in the early 90's saw 5-7 grand for SIIa's :o
With the volume of Land Rovers coming through the prices are bound to be high during the first release.
Matt.
Distortion
23rd February 2013, 04:27 PM
I think rental companys wouldn't be interested due to the lack of safty features ie air bags abs etc I think it would make it a pain for their insurance
THE BOOGER
23rd February 2013, 04:34 PM
They use plenty of troopys with only a drivers airbag and no ropes so these would be heaps better, less dead tourists from roll overs:)
Disco Muppet
23rd February 2013, 04:34 PM
What about driver training schools?
Bunch of ex army Landrovers that come with most of the things you'd want, don't really show damage and have already been flogged, etc.
Other than that I think the only people who'd really be interested would be collectors and enthusiasts, maybe the odd farmer looking for a paddock basher.
mudmouse
23rd February 2013, 04:36 PM
True, i was thinking of the back-packer scene.... and the Fraser Island mobs.
If they drive them away for 17-20k, that's a cheap unit.
Matt.
Disco Muppet
23rd February 2013, 05:09 PM
They use plenty of troopys with only a drivers airbag and no ropes so these would be heaps better, less dead tourists from roll overs:)
More stupid tourists doing stupid things in landies. Give us a bad name :D :p
Davo
23rd February 2013, 10:14 PM
What idiot running a rental business would want a hard-to-drive, unairconditioned two-seater when they could run their business with normal four-wheel-drives? I'm mystified by all of this.
circlework
24th February 2013, 10:36 AM
Anybody got any idea when the next Landy auction is scheduled?
I'm obviously passing on this one! :(
Yeah, I know ... another tight RRRs. :p :D
sheerluck
24th February 2013, 10:52 AM
Anybody got any idea when the next Landy auction is scheduled?
I'm obviously passing on this one! :(
Yeah, I know ... another tight RRRs. :p :D
I don't think you're being a tightwad at all, I think they're going well over the top. Obviously that's just my humble opinion about a minimum 23 year old, truck engined 110, painted in cabbage green.
minibloodhound
24th February 2013, 07:02 PM
What idiot running a rental business would want a hard-to-drive, unairconditioned two-seater when they could run their business with normal four-wheel-drives? I'm mystified by all of this.
Have you seen all the "Wicked" vans? Not exactly the pinnacle of automotive comfort. Now imagine a heap of gaudily hand painted ex-army land rovers being driven around Australia by backpackers!:eek:
Blknight.aus
24th February 2013, 07:25 PM
Now imagine a heap of gaudily hand painted ex-army land rovers rolling around Australia by backpackers!:eek:
Fixed it in blue for you.
Lotz-A-Landies
25th February 2013, 07:38 AM
Have you seen all the "Wicked" vans? Not exactly the pinnacle of automotive comfort. Now imagine a heap of gaudily hand painted ex-army land rovers being driven around Australia by backpackers!:eek:2 problems with that notion, one is that there aren't many hard tops and most importantly the wicked mob* wouldn't spend $10K on a vehicle let alone the prices the 110s are heading.
* Wicked campers used to have their Sydney head office, just down the road from here.
Bigbjorn
25th February 2013, 08:33 AM
As far as I know their head office and first outlet is in East Brisbane.
When Bob Baird and Jack Heap started Four Wheel Drive Hire Service in Brisbane they only had Land Rovers. Their rationale was that most users took them on the beach and steel bodied vehicles looked like lacework after 12-18 months of hard service. Leyland Truck and Bus Brisbane sold them as many as twenty in one delivery. They also bought all the Land Rover submarines from the 1974 flood when the Rocklea building was totally submerged except for the tip of the roof.
Davo
25th February 2013, 10:29 PM
Yes, we have every rental vehicle known to man up here, soon or later. Joints like Wicked obviously buy old cars with a few kms left in them and I think the paint jobs are an ingenious way to cover the rust and tart them up, make them look cool to dopey kids, and get lots of advertising. (I seem to remember they had a yard raided somewhere and just about every car was put off the road.)
Now that ambulance looks nice at $30,000 . . .
juddy
26th February 2013, 09:15 AM
Very nice ambulance, only 10 grand over priced... as are just about every other single one. No land rovers any where in the world, would fetch this kind of money, its Australia gone mad again.
However if you have the money, and want one then you will pay the highest price. What will hurt is when more of these come out and the price drops, I do think the hard tops and specialist variants will hold there value more. Soon have a lot more new landy owners joining this forum.... would be Interesting to hear why they thought the price they paid was justified...
bobslandies
26th February 2013, 10:07 AM
The fact is that these vehicles are not quite the "twenty five year old vehicles" that is being pushed by some contributors here - they were strictly serviced, some have low usage, some even completely rebuilt (less likely to be disposed of immediately I imagine).
I think the prices so far are reasonable. Let's see when the auction closes. It's what somebody is prepared to pay that matters. Why should buyers almost have to justify what they paid? They won't hang around if there is too much bagging.
The 6x6 ambulances would have probably cost over $200,000 (equivalent) when they were built so at $30,000 so far it's a bargain - presumably not much restoring to do on that one.
Bob
weeds
26th February 2013, 10:34 AM
The 6x6 ambulances would have probably cost over $200,000 (equivalent) when they were built so at $30,000 so far it's a bargain - presumably not much restoring to do on that one.
Bob
when we received the 6x6 GMV's (general maintenance vehicle) we were told they cost $130 000.......
the ambo's were air-cond and onlt the rear door...the GMV had gull wing doors...the fitour inside would probably have been a similar cost.
maybe a bit more for an ambo....
the disc brake upgrade probably cost more the the ambo itself
AndrewGJones
26th February 2013, 10:38 AM
More the merrier. Same thought crosses my mind when I see a Puma go down the road; I don't have the money to spend on it, but I'm glad someone did.
I only hope they depreciate for selfish reasons, I don't think they will considering the immanent demise of production-line live-beam-axle landrovers.
Davo
26th February 2013, 11:53 AM
I'd pay that for a 6x6 in good nick with whatever huge payload it has.
Still, as I keep carping on about, the easy part is getting these things. How are people going to keep them on the road during the next decade or so?
460cixy
26th February 2013, 12:59 PM
How many will go to private collectors never to be seen again
Rohan
27th February 2013, 10:37 AM
If I was single...... That Mitsubishi 4x4 with the perfect body......:angel:
Landy Smurf
27th February 2013, 10:57 AM
I thought that some of the trailers and land rovers would be higher then what they are by now
circlework
27th February 2013, 11:16 AM
Just a casual observation ... where are the scrapes and dents?
So far, I have only seen one dent on a tailgate and a small amount of rust in a firewall ... well erm, maybe there is never a small amount of rust in a firewall. :(
Maybe an Army boffin (bk?) might like to comment on the average amount of damage to the Landy fleet?
Cheers,
Daryl.
WilkoP38A
27th February 2013, 11:27 AM
If I was single...... That Mitsubishi 4x4 with the perfect body......:angel:
And probably like the rest of us, if you buy one you will be single..:wasntme:
460cixy
27th February 2013, 12:14 PM
Some dingaling has made a bid on every trailer pushing the price up
Ranga
27th February 2013, 01:00 PM
Some dingaling has made a bid on every trailer pushing the price up
Will never happen, but would be interesting if they won them all - I bet they only want one ;)
thedrover
27th February 2013, 01:03 PM
What about driver training schools?
Bunch of ex army Landrovers that come with most of the things you'd want, .
Brakes? You want brakes in a learner car!
Disco Muppet
27th February 2013, 01:37 PM
Brakes? You want brakes in a learner car!
Mate I've been flung into the dash of a perentie enough times to know that they can stop :p
460cixy
27th February 2013, 01:50 PM
Will never happen, but would be interesting if they won them all - I bet they only want one ;)
Been well out bid now but just seemed silly to me but it would be gold if he won the lot bet his wife would be stoked
isuzutoo-eh
27th February 2013, 04:04 PM
Well, some of the prices weren't so out of the world, the 110+trailer combos seem to be the best value, coming under the price of the same model 110 without at railer at times...
Cooks trailers are a bit of dosh!
inside
27th February 2013, 04:04 PM
Does anyone know what the 4 door went for? It seems to have disappeared.
isuzutoo-eh
27th February 2013, 04:10 PM
Does anyone know what the 4 door went for? It seems to have disappeared.
$17xxx I believe
EDIT: http://www.graysonline.com/lot/0032-5005418/motor-vehiclesmotor-cycles/06-1988-land-rover-military-110-4wd-hard-top-type-vin-salldhmz1bf571587'spr=true
Lotz-A-Landies
27th February 2013, 04:16 PM
Snr Commander $17,159
Amb 6x6 $35,659
Panel $12,109 (no trailer) $12,559 (no trailer) $13,009 (with trailer) $15,059 (no trailer)
GS & FFR $12,009 trailer, $12,309 trailer, $12,059 trailer, $11,609 trailer, $12,959 trailer, $11,059 trailer, $11,009 trailer
GS & FFR No trailers $12,209, $11,009, $9,709, $10,509, $10,359, $12,309, $10,009, $9,109, $10,109, $10,209, $10,609, $10,009, $9,959, $11,059, $12,859,
Cooks trailers aprox $1,500 - $1,900
Crump & Cornish trailers $630 - $1,109
Remember that all lots, have GST and other auction charges added to the final price.
Blknight.aus
27th February 2013, 04:20 PM
Just a casual observation ... where are the scrapes and dents?
So far, I have only seen one dent on a tailgate and a small amount of rust in a firewall ... well erm, maybe there is never a small amount of rust in a firewall. :(
Maybe an Army boffin (bk?) might like to comment on the average amount of damage to the Landy fleet?
Cheers,
Daryl.
Galv fire wall and chassis.
damage varies from
"And you lived through that?" to "meh"
isuzutoo-eh
27th February 2013, 04:45 PM
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/43.jpg
Congrats to anyone who won an auction, tell us all about your newly acquired Landy asap!
Landy Smurf
27th February 2013, 04:58 PM
i wonder how long before a few people went oh crap why did i do this and put them up for sale.
some of them are probably really good buys.
also looking forward to see who got them
justinc
27th February 2013, 05:03 PM
Damn, that 6x6 was a good deal at 35K. I would've gone a lot higher had I had any $$ and I was bidding...:(
JC
weeds
27th February 2013, 05:05 PM
Damn, that 6x6 was a good deal at 35K. I would've gone a lot higher had I had any $$ and I was bidding...:(
JC
There will be entry more to come........the pod on the back is heavy, can chassis would be the go so that a custom tray canopy can be made
justinc
27th February 2013, 05:12 PM
There will be entry more to come........the pod on the back is heavy, can chassis would be the go so that a custom tray canopy can be made
Yes I agree, but I bet they will be at a time when I can least afford to look at them even sideways...:(
JC
Judo
27th February 2013, 05:22 PM
It's annoying how they all disappeared from the auction page, but if you want to check any out, you can just changed the LOT number in the URL.
http:/ /www.graysonline.com/lot/0001-5005418
Change the "0001" number and you will find the rest of the vehicles. (Also, I put a space near the start so it didn't turn into a hyperlink - couldn't figure out how to stop it! Don't copy paste the space.)
Edit: P.S. I didnt buy anything, but the price for a soft top is OK. I might have to convince SWMBO we don't need a roof. :cool:
Davo
27th February 2013, 05:38 PM
Thanks for putting up final prices and the link. I just went to look and everything was gone! Those prices aren't too bad and there didn't seem to be a big rush at the end. Now, where are they all going to?
Disco Muppet
27th February 2013, 05:41 PM
. I didnt buy anything, but the price for a soft top is OK. I might have to convince SWMBO we don't need a roof. :cool:
"Honey....I got you a new hair dryer/ washer!"
:Rolling:
I'd agree though.
If I was still looking for one now, they're not going for stupid prices so I'd probably walk away with one.
usi
27th February 2013, 05:41 PM
I just purchased a soft top. My next stop was registering here!
Mick_Marsh
27th February 2013, 05:48 PM
I just purchased a soft top. My next stop was registering here!
Congratulations.
Welcome to the forum.
inside
27th February 2013, 05:53 PM
Snr Commander $17,159
Thanks for the price, that was not a Senior Commander though, it is the personnel carrier of which there are 39 in total. SCs have winch, better seats, fold down tail gate. So there's still a few floating around.
Lotz-A-Landies
27th February 2013, 05:58 PM
Thanks for the price, that was not a Senior Commander though, it is the personnel carrier of which there are 39 in total. SCs have winch, better seats, fold down tail gate. So there's still a few floating around.That's what you get with the prices are relayed second hand, shopping/gambling/auctions blocked at work.
Bearman
27th February 2013, 06:08 PM
Thanks for putting up final prices and the link. I just went to look and everything was gone! Those prices aren't too bad and there didn't seem to be a big rush at the end. Now, where are they all going to?
Likewise I am amazed that wasn't a bit more of a scramble at the last minute, but hey, don't forget that there is nearly 20 percent extra to pay on top of the auction price with gst and buyers premium plus gst, then there is rego and insurance plus aircon for the softies and any repairs that may be needed. The 6X6 comes out at $41.5K without rego which is still not too bad. I noticed the soft tops that went reasonably cheap had no winches.
Come on you lot, how many new Perentie owners are there out there - show yourselves!
460cixy
27th February 2013, 07:23 PM
1900 for a box trailer got to be kidding
juddy
27th February 2013, 07:34 PM
How many hard tops all variants are they?
Mick_Marsh
27th February 2013, 07:44 PM
1900 for a box trailer got to be kidding
Someone thought it was worth that. I paid more than that for one of my RAAF Track Tacticals. (You'd have to offer a lot more than that if you want to encourage me to sell it.)
Actually, $12k to $14k for a 4x4 soft top and Cooks trailer I thought was a reasonable price. Can hardly wait until they auction them off in Melbourne.
I'll need to find some storage space first.
Mick_Marsh
27th February 2013, 07:55 PM
How many hard tops all variants are they?
That would depend on how many of the three variants have survived.
Judo
27th February 2013, 08:34 PM
Someone thought it was worth that. I paid more than that for one of my RAAF Track Tacticals. (You'd have to offer a lot more than that if you want to encourage me to sell it.)
Actually, $12k to $14k for a 4x4 soft top and Cooks trailer I thought was a reasonable price. Can hardly wait until they auction them off in Melbourne.
I'll need to find some storage space first.
x2 Good price and bring on Melbourne!!
I fear it maybe AGES until they do a Melbourne one....
juddy
27th February 2013, 08:36 PM
That would depend on how many of the three variants have survived.
Just the original totals?
spudboy
27th February 2013, 08:58 PM
Does anyone have the final prices paid for the 4 unimogs. Last I saw, one was over $60K and the others were around $45K....
Thanks
David
Mick_Marsh
27th February 2013, 09:09 PM
Just the original totals?
I remember reading the initial production numbers somewhere.
It would have been here, REMLR or MVCA.
Mick_Marsh
27th February 2013, 09:15 PM
Does anyone have the final prices paid for the 4 unimogs. Last I saw, one was over $60K and the others were around $15K....
Thanks
David
Last I saw.
60,109
49,509
47,809
35,009
inside
27th February 2013, 09:39 PM
Just the original totals?
From memory 39 personnel carriers and 11 senior commanders. Mine is a senior commander but salvation army and according to remlr they built 2 senior commanders for the salvos. So that would make 13 senior commanders of which I have one and I think the other resides in Brisbane too. It seems I was wrong before it's only the salvo vehicles that have the drop down tailgate, others have the swing away door like civvie models.
Attached is a PDF detailing other models so everyone can make informed decisions on what they're bidding on.
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