My12 Puma oil change every 5K or book 10k?

[Babs]

Hi guys,


Just turned over 5,000 klm and was wondering should I do a typical Diesel engine oil change now or is it unnecessary and just stick to the recommended 10,000 klm intervals?

Cheers,

Babs.

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[jplambs]

Well given that the recommended service interval is actually 20,000kms I would have thought 10,000 is adequate unless you are really pushing the vehicle. At least that's what I'm doing.

[rick130]

Bugger 5,000km oil changes, I'd be doing it every 2,500-3000km.....









:angel:

Only joshing.

With modern oils and low sulphur diesel there's no need for short oil change intervals, even with the dreaded EGR incumbent on modern pollution controlled diesels.
The only time you need short changes IMO is when only doing really short trips consistently, eg. under 20-30km and particularly stop/start short trip city use.

Highway miles and country trips, even when towing and 10,000km and longer oil change intervals are within easy reach of the oil.

[Babs]

Silly me, I did not look at the books to check intervals, I just went by the dealer service sticker, it said next service due 10,000klm, so I just assumed it was every 10K.

Anyways, thats good to know saves me money :D Thanks guys.

[GlennWA]

My MY12 110 is 20K servicing. Picked it up last month and it was see you next October or in 20K.

[tempestv8]

I think that if you do a lot of highway kms then 20k Km service intervals are just fine. But if you do a lot of suburban driving with stop & start, a 10k Km service interval would be better.

[tempestv8]

Check your service manual - the oil service interval is different if you do a lot of driving in "extreme" conditions. I expect that 12,000 km oil changes is OK if you are doing lots of highway driving.

But if you do a lot of stop start suburban driving, it will be quite likely that you might need to do more frequent oil changes. Don't take any chances - oil is cheap but an engine or turbo isn't.

[Babs]

Confirmed with dealer yesterday the MY12 are every 20k, funny the service sticker from new says due at 10k?

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[cal415]

MY 2011 book says 20,000km to but the dealer insist on 10,000km... more money for them in servicing i guess.

[drzzt]

I've been following the service schedule, now just did the 40k service for my my12 110. I do alot of highway kms though. I was abit worried though, but according to the dealer it's ok... My old patrol I did every 5k otherwise it would start feeling rough.

[Grappler]

The official service interval is 20K/12mo for MY12 Def.

However the dealer did send me a reminder at 6mo for an intermediate service.
Because of the distance away they approved me doing my own ïntermediate service at 10K.

As an observation the filter removed is a Ford product, and appears a much better filter. It has chevron pattern and has a higher surface than the genuine LR filter replacement supplied by dealer. (see pic)

[uninformed]

Isuzurover is the man regarding filtration....there may even be a donaldson/man hummel drop in replacement??

Funny thing about the LR owners hand book for my Tdi, it shows the service schedule, but has a different rate for extreme conditions....IMO some of LR items are running at extreme just in our summer heat. If it were me Id err on the side of caution and do them more regulary than 20k....plus remember that if your not doind alot of total Km's that time becomes a factor. It use to be that if you didnt do the Km's, you had to change the oil out before "X" time as it would break down???

another thing to consider is the gearbox and T/case...if the new gearbox is anything like the R380 in oil capacity I would not go past 20k for oil change. The lt230 is the same so same applies to it. These will both run HOT!


what about brakes?? it states in my handbook to REPLACE every rubber hose and seal in the brake system every 100k....does anyone do this?

[rick130]

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what about brakes?? it states in my handbook to REPLACE every rubber hose and seal in the brake system every 100k....does anyone do this?

Nissan, and I'm assuming the other manufacturers recommend the same, but no one does it.

Hoses do deteriorate and fail, I've seen a few and the local NRMA garage keeps a selection of common Holden/Ford/Toyota hoses on the wall.

Even stainless braided hose fails when it rubs on radius arms, or do I'm told :angel:

[Babs]

MY 2011 book says 20,000km to but the dealer insist on 10,000km... more money for them in servicing i guess.

The Dealer told me it was every 20k before MY11, then they changed it back to every 10k for the MY11, and back to every 20k for MY12. Go figure???

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[tempestv8]

Did the MY12 come with a larger sump capacity? If the dry fill of these engines is less than 9 litres, I struggle to comprehend how the oil service intervals can stretch 20,000 Kms. I don't care how good the oil chemistry is - My mind says "oil sludge". :angel:

[rick130]

Did the MY12 come with a larger sump capacity? If the dry fill of these engines is less than 9 litres, I struggle to comprehend how the oil service intervals can stretch 20,000 Kms. I don't care how good the oil chemistry is - My mind says "oil sludge". :angel:

The TD5 will do it piece of cake (depending on conditions) and our TD42T Patrol easy-peasy as it has a 10.5 litre sump.

A Tdi is maxed out @ 17,000km IME, 15000km is almost a stretch too far too.
Small engine, highly loaded and small sump capacity all contribute to this, and the above examples were 'old school' but best quality syn CI-4 oils.

Oil chemistry today is quite brilliant, the detergent/dispersant package has to be to cope with the EGR, etc.

I don't think they will become sludge monsters using 20,000km OCI's, but wear metals and soot will be higher than comfortable which has to impact on long term life.

At the end of the day the extended service intervals are to appeal to the bean counters when calculating running costs over a lease period

[uninformed]

The TD5 will do it piece of cake (depending on conditions) and our TD42T Patrol easy-peasy as it has a 10.5 litre sump.

A Tdi is maxed out @ 17,000km IME, 15000km is almost a stretch too far too.
Small engine, highly loaded and small sump capacity all contribute to this, and the above examples were 'old school' but best quality syn CI-4 oils.

Oil chemistry today is quite brilliant, the detergent/dispersant package has to be to cope with the EGR, etc.

I don't think they will become sludge monsters using 20,000km OCI's, but wear metals and soot will be higher than comfortable which has to impact on long term life.

At the end of the day the extended service intervals are to appeal to the bean counters when calculating running costs over a lease period


Isnt not only oil quality, but filtration has improver on these also???

[rick130]

Naa, the only car with a decent oil filter is the TD5. (oops, and the by-pass filter on some TD42Ts and 4BD1T's are ok too)

Full flow filters aren't really filters, more debris catchers IMO.
While the nano-fibre media Ben has spoken of is a major leap forward, AFAIK it hasn't filtered down to affordable, mass market filtration yet. Most full flow filter tech hasn't changed much over the last thirty to forty years. It's still cellulose fibre, etc. etc.

The Donaldson and Fleetguard syn fibre filters you and I use are a major step up from standard but they aren't in the hydraulic filter efficiency territory and soot doesn't even notice as it flows through.
Remember soot is micro particles of hard carbon, so impacts on wear metal numbers more than anything else, excluding dust/dirt, fuel and coolant leaks.

To do real extended oil changes you need a by-pass filter like the centrifuge in the TD5.
It actually pulls soot out of suspension.

[uninformed]

I guess I was just ASSuming that the Tdci had the same type of filtration as the TD5???

if not racor etc do these I believe