Ford 6 into IIA

[Series3 GT]

Hi everyone, I've been reading a lot about the Ford 6 into Series Landys. I've been wanting to re power my IIA, the 2.25 just doesn't have the grunt anymore and it would cost more to rebuild the 2.25 than it would be to convert. The Series gearbox should hold up if treated well and getting an engine is so easy, the only problem is the conversion plate. Finding one is a bit tricky. It's not a registered vehicle and I don't plan on getting it registered for a good while so engineers certificate isn't a problem if anyone has any advice that would be great.

[andy_d110]

I am helping my Dad on his 109" this week. It has a 250 pre crossflow fitted and we are converting it to C4 auto from Nissan Cabstar manual.

The 250 is fitted with a 2v head, Holley carb and extractors. Combine that with 3.5:1 diffs and it should in theory be one quick old Landy...

[outback jeff]

Hi everyone, I've been reading a lot about the Ford 6 into Series Landys. I've been wanting to re power my IIA, the 2.25 just doesn't have the grunt anymore and it would cost more to rebuild the 2.25 than it would be to convert. The Series gearbox should hold up if treated well and getting an engine is so easy, the only problem is the conversion plate. Finding one is a bit tricky. It's not a registered vehicle and I don't plan on getting it registered for a good while so engineers certificate isn't a problem if anyone has any advice that would be great.

Hi , have a look in here;

http://www.dellowconversions.com.au/images/DellowAutomotive.pdf

on page 24 they list Falcon 6 cyl into Series 1, 11, 111, Landrovers

Hope this helps, Cheers Jeff

[dfendr]

I used to have a ford 250 powered Land rover ( althogh it was Stretched to 145Inch wheelbase)
It had adequate power was a great tow vehicle but with standard ratio diffs it returned 10mpg ..........on the other hand it did not matter whether it was towing or cruising mpg never changed
So it was converted to gas with 2 gas tanks .Plus the 3 petrol tanks it cost an arm and a leg to fill


:(:(

[Series3 GT]

Well I'm sure the 250 has plenty of grunt, fuel isn't a major issue it can't be any worse than the 3.5 V8. The 2.25 uses a fair amount of fuel anyway for no get up and go. Did you need to modify much on your chassis, I'm going to try and use the Series gearbox, it should hold up as long as I don't go full throttle and dump the clutch. I was thinking the injected 250 crossflow would be good but a carby fed 250 would be good cause of the simplicity. If anyone has a conversion plate if you put up some photos up of the plate or conversion that'd be great.

[123rover50]

Hi everyone, I've been reading a lot about the Ford 6 into Series Landys. I've been wanting to re power my IIA, the 2.25 just doesn't have the grunt anymore and it would cost more to rebuild the 2.25 than it would be to convert. The Series gearbox should hold up if treated well and getting an engine is so easy, the only problem is the conversion plate. Finding one is a bit tricky. It's not a registered vehicle and I don't plan on getting it registered for a good while so engineers certificate isn't a problem if anyone has any advice that would be great.

I have a wreck down the back with a Ford 6 in it. I used the box but the conversion is still there. Bit far to send it but I dont want it.
Didiman

[chazza]

I'm going to try and use the Series gearbox, it should hold up as long as I don't go full throttle and dump the clutch.

According to Wagoo on this forum;

"2nd gear is the culprit that kills most series gearboxes. All Series gearboxes suffer from shaft flex under load when in 2nd and to a lesser extent 3rd gear. The old Series 1, 2 and 2As would on occasion break the layshaft in half or sometimes even the mainshaft due to fatigue from running flexed.
Series 3 boxes use a more rigid gear cluster instead of a layshaft with slide on gears that the earlier boxes used. The cluster didn't flex but the mainshaft still does, and this flexing is centred under the 2nd /3rd gear bronze bush (distance sleeve), in many cases breaking the bush in half and/or thrusting against the spring ring (circlip) which normally only receives thrust loads on over-run(coasting) in 2nd and 3rd gear. The circlip and or groove in the shaft end up slightly tapered and the circlip can spring open.
The less frequent need to use 2nd gear with a more powerfull engine may actually contribute to better gearbox reliability if the vehicle is driven sensibly." Wagoo.

A very wise man is Bill! I am going to do his New Process gearbox conversion when I get the time, which will handle any engine without fear of breaking,

Cheers Charlie

[Series3 GT]

Well I wouldn't mind that conversion plate but as you said its a bit far to send. If you could find some photos of the conversion that'd be great. If the series box doesn't handle the power and torque of the 250 I might use a toploader box with a series t/case adaptor that way I could drop in a lot of other ford motors in the future (eg. 302, 351):D But I heard that the Series 3 box is the weaker box and the late IIA is the srongest but it could be different. I wouldn't need 2nd as much cause it would probably ldle in 3rd but you can take off in second very easily with all that power and torque. The back axle may not like it but if it lets go I've got a salisbury axle sitting around.

[seriesLR]

I've got the dellow/ford conversion on my S3 as you've seen in my "old car new owner" thread.

I think the biggest issue with the ford conversion is that the exhaust manifold is on the wrong side so the exhaust has to pass very close under the sump. I may be a little over cautious but I don't like the thought of the oil being heated in the sump.

I'm looking at the Valiant/Hemi option ATM.

[Series3 GT]

That is a problem but my problem was the price of the motor, then the gearbox issue. I wanted to possibly use a toploader or five speed falcon but they cost $500 as well. The series box would probably struggle with the power of the 250 crossflow. I'm going with the Holden 202 cause I've found a motor for free and the conversion plate doesn't cost much and easy to get. I was thinking of the Valiant conversion, I've been told it's a very good conversion especially the 225 and 245. The reason I like the Ford and Valiant conversion is that they are a bit different to the normal conversion of the Holden red motor but you've got to work with what you've got and the main one is your budget.

[LandyAndy]

Run a ford C4 Auto conversion,brilliant!!!!!!
If you are ever passing thru Williams send me a PM,can show you my Ser3 it has a 302 Cleveland and C4 auto mated to the Series transfercase.
My Bro runs a 2a wagon with a tough alloy head and C4 too.
Seatons Engineers in Wanneroo make the conversion kit.
Andrew

[Series3 GT]

I thought about an auto but I prefer my manuals, a Series with a 302 and auto must feel pretty different to a standard one. I find when ever I drive our EL Falcon I keep going to change gear and that doesn't seem to work with an auto, just habit I guess. I do occasionally pass through Williams but not very often but I might have a look one day. I have to bring my 100" to Perth sometime soon to get my engineers certificate. Thanks for the offer.

[LandyAndy]

Mine is an unfinished project.I did drive it sometime with the conversion before starting the rebuild.Even with a stuffed 302 it went REALLY WELL;););););)
Im behind The Williams Woolshed,you will see the Ser3 from their carpark;););););)
Andrew

[Sideroad]

Regarding the c4 auto, there is a huge range of gear selection options. You can change it to part manual select PRN123 and other configurations. I can't remember what the plates are called, but do some research on c4 in 4x4 use. I am a manual fan but would go a modded c4 any day.
Regarding the holden conversion, I have an adapter plate, clutch, engine mounts etc. PM me if interested, though freight could be a killer.

[Series3 GT]

The C4 sounds like the auto to go for in a Landy but as I said I like my manuals. Thanks for the offer on the conversion plate and clutch. I haven't got any mounts to suit a 4cyl conversion, I can only find mounts for a 6cyl Land Rover, so maybe If you could find out how much they might cost that would be good. The distance is an issue, Queensland is a long way away from me. I'll have to find out what clutch setup I'm going to use, I'd like to use the Landy clutch and flywheel but that'll need a bit of work to get that converted, I've got a Landy pressure plate, clutch plate and flywheel spare and they're in good condition so I've got the parts to do it.

[Carnut1100]

One of the scariest rides I ever had was in a 250 powered S2....hills certainly didn't seem to bother it, and it had no trouble pulling a caravan at 75mph....

[Series3 GT]

That would have scared the hell out of me as well. The 202 should be nicer on the gearbox and axles but the t/case will laugh at a 302 let alone a 202. Just keep the smoking starts to a minimum:p (tyres not the engine) One thing that is difficult to resist is chasing foxes around so I'll have to be careful cause theres a lot of them around here. Still love the 250 X-Flow but I can't afford it now so I'll have to wait a bit, but by then I'll want a V8 again.

[Series3 GT]

Been a long time since I've looked at this post but I'm back, the 202 didn't work out cause piston No.3 was absolutely stuffed and the clever person who had it before me did a rebuild and bored it out .080thou so that killed that. I'm interested in the 250 again and I'm really liking the idea of an auto, the motor I was looking at was around the EF EL era and same with the gearbox but the problem is the T/case, I don't know how I'd mount it behind the auto or a top loader if I found one cheap enough, I know you can get adapters for Top-loader to Series T/case but no clue where or how let alone an auto adapter. My other ideas are 3.5 Rover or 302 but they cost more than a 250 and the gearbox situation rises again.

[Newy]

I'm in the same boat here, I'm still thinking about replacing the 186 in my Series 3 88" with a ford motor and Auto box.

[Series3 GT]

Yeah I went to the wreckers today and almost every motor was a 4.0L Falcon with the 4 speed auto on the back and I was so tempted to say I'll take one but I don't have the money for what he's asking, He quoted me around $500 for a high kilometer motor and the same price for a gearbox but that was for the 5 speed manual. My Ideal setup would be a manual to help with engine braking on my farm ute cause it's brakes aren't very good and I like dropping gears and giving it to it through the mud:D The 4.0L also has the best sound a 6 cyl can make with the right exhaust setup it's a close to a V8 as you get.

[Newy]

That's true, I love the sound from the ford over the Holden.

If anybody either has or knows where I can get an adapter to mate the series transfer to c4 I'd love to hear from you :-)

[Series3 GT]

That's true, I love the sound from the ford over the Holden.

If anybody either has or knows where I can get an adapter to mate the series transfer to c4 I'd love to hear from you :-)
I'm definitely with you there for sound, I'm interested in seeing what a adapter looks like and what one would cost, how hard would it be to make one?

[gromit]

Not too many companies making adaptor kits now.
Dellow Automotive list a conversion for Holden 6, Ford 6 and Toyota B (2B or 3B )
http://dellowconversions.com.au/images/DellowAutomotive.pdf


Marks list some V8 kits but for County onwards.
Engine conversion kits to suit Land Rover (http://www.marks4wd.com/bell-housing-adaptors/land-rover.html)


Colin

[123rover50]

I have a Ford with the LR series box adapter here if anyone wants it.
It was a good runner before the car was rolled:o

[Series3 GT]

I have a Ford with the LR series box adapter here if anyone wants it.
It was a good runner before the car was rolled:o
I think you already offered before but me being in WA the freight would be a killer, thank you anyway. I think my preferred setup would be a 250 X-Flow backed by a toploader and the mighty series transfer case cause it's better than the ford alternatives. I've considered the V8 option and I'd love it but the fuel would be horrible running two V8 Land Rovers and the 6cyl is good enough on fuel but it's still got a decent amount of grunt. I'm going to see if I can find a cheapish motor or even a free one cause I was going down the Holden path and I managed to get a free 202 but it was too far gone so I thought that if I was going to change engines I better make it a good one:p I know a few people with fords everywhere so I might get a cheap motor from them cause they want a few cars gone.

[Newy]

Hi, when you say series box, do you mean series gearbox or transfer case?
I'm looking to replace my series gearbox altogether.

Newy

[Series3 GT]

I had finally decided that I'd go down the Ford path instead of Holden then I look in one of the trading post papers (the quokka all people from WA know what I'm on about) and what do I find, a set of 6 .080 thou oversize pistons for a Holden red motor so if I can get the 202 running I'll probably go with that. I can't make up my mind I want to go ford then I find Holden parts I need then that falls through and I want ford again and then it changes again!

[Series3 GT]

Found my solution, just bought a Series 3 with a 250 pre cross-flow in it with a celica box. Makes life easier than finding an adapter plate.

[30t of coolness]

Is the series3 2wd ? I'd love to see the gearbox set up if you could get some photos

[*RR*]

I may have a 4.1 engine and adapter to series gearbox for sale... PM me if you're keen..

[Sideroad]

Had a 882a with a 250 flow and c4 auto and Lr transfer case. Got it not running but my mate I got it off said it went great. The flow are grey engines and heaps of parts and performance bits and the c4 are an awesome transmission with so many options for off road and performance mods. I really wanted to keep the engine and trans for a future build but sold it when moving house. Though I would most likely go a diesel for the next engine transplant, the 250 and c4 would be my number 2. Though I could be tempted with hemi 265.