35s no lift

[wmd]

Hi all
I have been running jt2 34x11.5 on neg25 rims ,these tires measure 35 inch.
I have after market flares and only got a bit of rubbing on the inner guard with the standard shocks .
I have installed a set of koni heavy track raid, stock replacement and now have some real bad rubbing on the inner guard . Even the 33s now rub a fraction.

Any body have experience on tubbing the inner guard ??? Or after market ones .

i don't wont to put in extended bump stops or limiting straps if I can help it.

Cheers WMD

[Slunnie]

Sounds the like the angle grinder is getting warmed up.

[wmd]

Full tube front end

[jimr1]

:)hi mate, a good friend of mine has a p38 .LRO uk mag have just done an article on his truck , Jan 2013 . anyway he had the same problem you have . how he got over it was to fit wheel spacers , that he got from the uk. Idon't know if they meet aus ADIs , what i can say is they work for him .regards jimr1 ...;)

[wmd]

The utes rather legal until I put the 35s on .
The wheel spacers are not ADR approved and would put the wheels out side the flares .
But I wonder if they would help??

[mickashay]

Maybe get some 30mm coil spacers to bring it back up higher a bit

[LowRanger]

There is a lot of information missing from this equation:confused:

Are we talking front or rear?

Where exactly is is rubbing ,and when?

You say the raids are a direct replacement for the standard L/R shocks,what is the difference in the open and closed lengths?
Without at least this minimalist information,I fail to see how anyone could offer any meaningful advice:eek:

[wmd]

30mm spacers will only lift the ride hight . It's rubbing when it's on the bump stops.

It's a tray back so it only rubs on the front .
The raids were sold as a stock replacement and I only checked for the closed length befor installing them as bottoming out is what damages shocks.
They must have a bit more extended length to let one wheel drop more and the opposite wheel tuck in the guard on a steeper angle and hit the inner guard .

[wmd]

Ps Lone Ranger
The help needed is about the tire rubbing on the inner guard at full flex,
And can it be chopped or replaced , personal experiences with this mod ect.

I see you run 35s what's your set up ??
Cheers WMD

[mickashay]

you can buy the terrafirma extended bumpstops to reduce up travel,adding ride height will stop rubbing, most run 35's with a 2 inch lift,but if your trying to keep it standard try the extended bumpstops,what offset rim are you running

[wmd]

Rims are 16x8 negative 25 offset .

[LowRanger]

30mm spacers will only lift the ride hight . It's rubbing when it's on the bump stops.

It's a tray back so it only rubs on the front .
The raids were sold as a stock replacement and I only checked for the closed length befor installing them as bottoming out is what damages shocks.
They must have a bit more extended length to let one wheel drop more and the opposite wheel tuck in the guard on a steeper angle and hit the inner guard .

If you have the tray at the standard height ,then it is quite easy to have 35's rub on the rear also.

"Bottoming out" is not all that causes damage to shocks,they are also easily damaged by "Topping out"

Unless the Raids are shorter on compression than the standard shocks,which I doubt,I would suggest that you haven't actually checked the suspension under "Full" compression with the standard shocks prior to changing them.The Raids may also be slightly longer on extension.

[wmd]

Low ranger
I checked the shocks out of the ute beside the stock ones ( if they were factory or not I don't no I bought the ute with 190000on the clock shocks were black with no stickers ) and they were the same compressed size .
but the raids do have a 20mm internal bump stop witch I doubt I would have compressed by hand.
Even if they are shorter , it's the bump stop that controls the max compression unless the shock is too long and bottoms out first , this is not happening
More extension of the shocks will cause the problem I am having by letting the diff rotate more in a sideways many ,rolling around into the guard.


The tray is custom so no problems there but the rear springs do dislocate now with the new shocks .

This thread is not about the shocks it's about the inner guards .
Do you run 35s ??? How I would like to no??

Cheers WMD

[mickashay]

I would try avoid cutting,it would be my last option,I have put 35 simex on my 130 and don't have any inner guard rubbing,it's got ome shocks that come with it so I don't know my setup but think its had a 2 inch lift

[wmd]

I would try avoid cutting,it would be my last option,I have put 35 simex on my 130 and don't have any inner guard rubbing,it's got ome shocks that come with it so I don't know my setup but think its had a 2 inch lift


Do you have extended bump stops ?

[chook73]

Low ranger
I checked the shocks out of the ute beside the stock ones ( if they were factory or not I don't no I bought the ute with 190000on the clock shocks were black with no stickers ) and they were the same compressed size .
but the raids do have a 20mm internal bump stop witch I doubt I would have compressed by hand.
Even if they are shorter , it's the bump stop that controls the max compression unless the shock is too long and bottoms out first , this is not happening
More extension of the shocks will cause the problem I am having by letting the diff rotate more in a sideways many ,rolling around into the guard.


The tray is custom so no problems there but the rear springs do dislocate now with the new shocks .

This thread is not about the shocks it's about the inner guards .
Do you run 35s ??? How I would like to no??

Cheers WMD

I can tell you that Low Ranger runs 35's and he has one of the best articulating trucks on this site so it is worthwhile listening to his advice as he knows what he is talking about.

I think what he is trying to say is that if you have your suspension set up correctly you shouldn't need to cut anything with 35's and I would suggest that if you need to cut something with 35's then your suspension isn't set up correctly and your not getting the best out of your truck.

just to confirm that you are running 35's on stock spring height?

[wmd]

Chook73

Yep stock spring hight
i have about 85 mm between bump stop and pad. On the front.

I am keen to hear low rangers set up. Sounds good.

Cheers WMD

[wmd]

Spring hight only changes your ride hight.
You bump stops and shocks determined were your wheel stops through out its movement range .
Its not the amount of spring lift that stops the rubbing under flex or compresion when you lift a 4x4 is the extended bumb stops to match the lift ..
With out matching bump stops to your lift ,
your wheel will stop in the same place as stock letting the tire rub or the coils bind or the shock bottom out .

[chook73]

Spring hight only changes your ride hight.
You bump stops and shocks determined were your wheel stops through out its movement range .
Its not the amount of spring lift that stops the rubbing under flex or compresion when you lift a 4x4 is the extended bumb stops to match the lift ..
With out matching bump stops to your lift ,
your wheel will stop in the same place as stock letting the tire rub or the coils bind or the shock bottom out .

Maybe a different offset wheel is needed . ???

I agree with you on the bump stop stopping the compression however what I am wondering is that if you are running 35's on standard suspension surely you are not getting a lot of advantages apart from 1" extra diff clearance and I would have thought that would be at a trade off of 1" of travel in each direction.......

Cutting the guard or adding spacers is not addressing the actual problem it is just treating the symptom.

I am no suspension expert however :imwithstupid:

[LowRanger]

Low ranger
I checked the shocks out of the ute beside the stock ones ( if they were factory or not I don't no I bought the ute with 190000on the clock shocks were black with no stickers ) and they were the same compressed size .
but the raids do have a 20mm internal bump stop witch I doubt I would have compressed by hand.
Even if they are shorter , it's the bump stop that controls the max compression unless the shock is too long and bottoms out first , this is not happening
More extension of the shocks will cause the problem I am having by letting the diff rotate more in a sideways many ,rolling around into the guard.


The tray is custom so no problems there but the rear springs do dislocate now with the new shocks .

This thread is not about the shocks it's about the inner guards .
Do you run 35s ??? How I would like to no??

Cheers WMD

As it has been pointed out at the end of my "Quoted" posts,that this is about inner guards,so I will limit my response to this subject and not about what is required to avoid this;)
You will not get 35's to fit a Defender with standard suspension,without modifying the front.You can easily cut the inner guards if you so desire,as they are easily cut.But be warned,there are more problems associated with this than you may have envisaged.This will on alleviate one point of contact,if the tyres you have are genuine 35" then you will have other points of contact as the suspension is cycled through its full cycle.But that is digressing from the "Original" question that was asked.
Good Luck;)

[mickashay]

Do you have extended bump stops ?

i dont yet but ive only had my 130 for a 2 weeks,i will be getting some soon when im back to work and the cash flow starts again

[frantic]

One thing to check is the offset of the rims and make sure they are actually -25.

[cal415]

This threads a few week old so might no longer be relevant, where abouts on the inner guard is it actually rubbing? i ran 35s on stock and very sagged county suspension, i have to trim a few things but nothing to serious, one option for the inner guards is you could possible adjust them as there is a fair amount of adjustment in how they bolt up to the chassis and outer guard, you could even go to the point of redrilling mounting holes etc and lifting them even further, its all very simple how it goes together.