Traction Control too slow to engage

[ZippoParis]

Hi All,
How quick should Traction Control engage?

This is my Disco 2, Td5, Auto, CDL, 2000:
Tiffany's first 4wd action.MTS - YouTube

The person giving instructions did not relies the Disco had traction control, so his instructions when to stop came just as the traction control was about/or just engaging. But I still believe that the traction control seems to slow - in my opinion.

Any help, advice would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers.

[THE BOOGER]

From what i have seen of tc it was working ok just have to keep the revs a bit longer . we :)did that track a couple of weeks ago not bad for a first go

[winaje]

TC seems to be working as designed; now that the guy who is telling you to stop understands that there is TC involved, I'm sure he will change his advice and let the vehicle progress...

[disco2_dan]

TC seems to be working but she backed off every time it was just kicking in, I'm still getting used to to it myself, it's an odd feeling waiting for it too kick in...

[clubagreenie]

Traction control is fine. Disable spectators though.

[101RRS]

I had to turn the sound off - too distracting - if you are going to get someone to guide you fine but use one person not 10.

The traction control was cutting in quite quickly but each time it activated you stopped for some reason - if you had kept on the power (not revving the guts out of it) you would have just driven up with TC doing its thing.

Good learning experience though.

Garry

[northiam]

I presume the CDL was engaged?
Love those tyres!

[Yorkie]

did you turn the uhf off so as not to have to listen to that guy? :p
tc working fine, would expect with bigger tyres it would affect the system to a degree, how much i have nfi. :)

where was that?.

[Hymie]

Just keep a steady, even pressure on the accelerator and let the T/C do its job.
The T/C works of the ABS, it senses that you have your foot down so you obviously want to go somewhere but the spinning wheel is stopping you so the T/C applies the brake to that spinning wheel to force drive to the wheels with grip. On and off with the accelerator just confuses the computer.
It's a bit disconcerting at first but once you understand how it works it makes sense.

[Slunnie]

Too many chiefs was the problem.

[OffTrack]

did you turn the uhf off so as not to have to listen to that guy? :p
tc working fine, would expect with bigger tyres it would affect the system to a degree, how much i have nfi. :)


The ETC brakes wheels spinning faster than the average by a certain percentage - something like 5-10% is the threshold.
In Low Range the tolerance for slip is lower than in high range, so probably closer to 5%.

Changing to larger wheels should make no real difference because increasing the size of the tyres just lowers the average speed of the wheels.

[ZippoParis]

Hi All,

It was at Watgan: -33° 3'15.84"S,51°19'30.46"E

Even thought everyone was yelling; there was only 2 guys. One at the top of the hill on the UHF (who didn't know about the TC) and one beside the Disco pretty much giving her positive, calm advice.

The Disco was in low, CDL engaged.

I must remember to lower the revs and wait for it to engage. My fault.

I hope I answered all.

Cheers.

[ozscott]

Mate increase revs and hold them increased. Just experiment but the very split second you back off the throttle the etc stops its hard braking momentarily and you can roll back.

Cheers

[alpick]

1500 rpm works fine

[THE BOOGER]

Hi All,

It was at Watgan: -33° 3'15.84"S,51°19'30.46"E

Even thought everyone was yelling; there was only 2 guys. One at the top of the hill on the UHF (who didn't know about the TC) and one beside the Disco pretty much giving her positive, calm advice.

The Disco was in low, CDL engaged.

I must remember to lower the revs and wait for it to engage. My fault.

I hope I answered all.

Cheers.

For those that dont do gps speak thats creek rd watagan forest on the list for the trip on the 27th:D still not a bad go for a first timer was that you or the driver screaming:wasntme:

[OffTrack]

This is from the LR 50 Years video:

Land Rover at 50: Discovery 2 - YouTube

There is a short discussion of the ETC at 1m14s which essentially boils down to "keep the power on".

[ZippoParis]

... still not a bad go for a first timer was that you or the driver screaming:wasntme:

Hahaha.

No, it wasn't me screaming. I'm the guy taking still images. My daughter was driving her first climb.

Cheers.

[simonl8353]

I tried to upload a short video, I failed. I have had differing result even when keeping the power on (at a reasonable level). But the whole TC thing works so much better with a CDL.

[Slunnie]

This is from the LR 50 Years video:

Land Rover at 50: Discovery 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81ukCq4bdUU)

There is a short discussion of the ETC at 1m14s which essentially boils down to "keep the power on".

Love that high speed run in the snow scene! :cool:

[ozscott]

I tried to upload a short video, I failed. I have had differing result even when keeping the power on (at a reasonable level). But the whole TC thing works so much better with a CDL.

It's only as good as the health of the braking system matey. Any abs faults logged? Good clean fluid, good rotors and pad combination?

Cheers

[Disco Muppet]

Love that high speed run in the snow scene! :cool:

Is that the bit where it has the D1 tail lights?
All through the corners I was thinking "I really wish I had ACE"
Dammit OffTrack! :D

[Slunnie]

Is that the bit where it has the D1 tail lights?
All through the corners I was thinking "I really wish I had ACE"
Dammit OffTrack! :D
I'm not sure about D1 tail lights, but it did have D1 front indicator lights!

ACE is ACE. :cool:

[Disco Muppet]

I'm not sure about D1 tail lights, but it did have D1 front indicator lights!

ACE is ACE. :cool:

Snow scene pictured from behind shows D1 rear lights.

More's the pity that I appear to have mispl-ACE-d it on mine :D
Oh wow.
That was bad.
Bad muppet, Bad!
I think I should go to bed :D

[simonl8353]

Traction Control - YouTube

Unless its AULRO, I hate social media, new technology and anything I dont understand, gee, wish I were 10. (sorry for the rant) :mad: :eek:

[alpick]

What the ?


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Traction Control - YouTube (http://youtu.be/N5XU7S050kU)

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Unless its AULRO, I hate social media, new technology and anything I dont understand, gee, wish I were 10. (sorry for the rant) :mad: :eek:

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[clubagreenie]

Suffers the same issue I do. Trying to embed you tube stuff is a black art.

[simonl8353]

apologies for that, was trying to load my own Traction Control videos, have tried photobucket and YouTube, failed at both.

[winaje]

Simon, where were the vids taken?

[OffTrack]

apologies for that, was trying to load my own Traction Control videos, have tried photobucket and YouTube, failed at both.

The ONLY way to embed video on AULRO is to copy and paste the URL of the video page. Using the embed option doesn't work, nor does the "shorted" version using youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5XU7S050kU
Use the "watch" links as above and it will "just work".

[alpick]

Land Rover Discovery Traction Control - YouTube


See, keep the revs up!

[alpick]

Central diff lock plus traction control on a slipery hill... .wmv - YouTube

[ZippoParis]

Hi all, and many, many thanks for your advice, know-how and videos.

(After seeing and hearing all) I can't wait for the long weekend to try it all out at Sunny Corner/Zig-Zag/Mt Walker...

Thanks again.

Cheers.

[OffTrack]

Central diff lock plus traction control on a slipery hill... .wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0aUduwnQLE)

I'd thought this guy was being winched. Apparently not.

[Yorkie]

I'd thought this guy was being winched. Apparently not.

that was a very good video showing the ability of t/c, but notice throughout the constant rev's. :)

[ozscott]

Yep that's a good one. It's typical of poor conditions in the UK. I recall a motoring writer saying when the D2 first came out that he was astonished that his test can, with him driving, climbed a clay bank out of a river non ht tyres that his defender 90 with mud terrains couldn't do- a place he was very familiar with.

Cheers

[OffTrack]

that was a very good video showing the ability of t/c, but notice throughout the constant rev's. :)

Yes, I did notice the constant revs. He's definitely not gunning it either - don't know what that level of V8 noise equates to but it can't be much more than 1500-2000rpm.

[alpick]

A steady 1500 rpm and the force will b with u.

[OffTrack]

This was just posted over in an upcoming events thread.

The first part features a number of vehicles tackling the same section of track in ZippoParis's video:

MADV4WD Watagans Nov 2012 - YouTube

[ZippoParis]

This was just posted over in an upcoming events thread.

The first part features a number of vehicles tackling the same section of track in ZippoParis's video:

OffTrack !!!

Cheers. These videos are a treat.

More, more, more...

Hahaha.

[THE BOOGER]

very good videos put together by black betty on here I believe:)

Hey zippo where did you go after creek rd ? we are looking to turn right on to new rd then mill rd around to the bottom of farrells 3 this weekend:)

PS: farrells 3 is for the brave hearted the restof us will watch:D

[ZippoParis]

very good videos put together by black betty on here I believe:)

Hey zippo where did you go after creek rd ? we are looking to turn right on to new rd then mill rd around to the bottom of farrells 3 this weekend:)

PS: farrells 3 is for the brave hearted the restof us will watch:D

Hi,

The videos are great.

I don't really know what the names are (that's why we always get lost), but I have some screen dumps of the trip on my web page: Watagan 2013-01-11 (http://members.iinet.net.au/~zippo.paris/moto/journey/2013/watagan-2013-01-11/pages/watagan-2013-01-11.html)

If it helps, I also have the OziExplorer track file if you need it. I usually put it on my web page. I've just ran out of time.

Cheers

[OffTrack]

Posted by kaz11 here.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/upcoming-events/165594-nsw-watagans-sun-27th-jan-2013-a-6.html#post1839612

His you tube channel is worth checking out - MISADVENTURE 4WD TV - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/JamieOGilmore?feature=watch)

[ZippoParis]

Posted by kaz11 here.

His you tube channel is worth checking out - MISADVENTURE 4WD TV - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/JamieOGilmore?feature=watch)

Yes. I joined yesterday.

Cheers.