Let's tax and ban stuff!

[Ralph1Malph]

And so it begins!:angry:

Open the door just a little bit and the goody two shoe nanny's jump right through!:angry:

Debate over tax on soft drinks | The Courier-Mail (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/breaking-news/tv-campaign-to-tackle-sugary-drinks/story-e6freono-1226555477761)


I would like to start a debate about banning or taxing plumber's cracks:eek:.
There must be a social cost to this phenomenon. Old ladies going blind, parents shielding the eyes of the young, the temptation to drop an ice cube or hot match in the offending crack:twisted:.

Who's with me?

Ralph

[Lotz-A-Landies]

<snip>...
I would like to start a debate about banning or taxing plumber's cracks:eek:.
... <snip>
RalphI'd be on for taxing surf lifesavers budgie smugglers! :o

http://seebusiness.nab.com.au/wp-content/uploads/feature-images-budgie-smugglers-wide-209x120.jpg

[easo]

I'd go one step further and say the high five should also be BANNED! The amount of eye injury's caused every year from people who "think" they can throw a high five is staggering.

If we can't ban it then the government must provide funding for programs aided at awareness and education as to the dangers associated with "chucking a five".

Without the necessary tools a high five in the wrong hands could result in someone being killed!

Obviously parents are not responsible enough to teach their kids about the risks of this behavior, therefore the teachers (who really don't do a lot anyway) shall take the time to mentor our youth in the dynamics and techniques associated with conducting a high five.

For everyone else please observe the follow enforceable requirements for a high five.

-Correct foot wear, closed toe shoes. No sandles or thongs,
-High-vis vests,
-Eye protection, must have lanyard,
-Hearing protection, if conducted in rowdy areas,
-Helmet, if jumping is considered,
-a supervising officer must be present,
-safety staff must be present, must include a CPR trained member,
-both member conducting the high five must sign indemnity forms,
-supervising officer must have a copy of 'risk assessment', and
-the area must be cordoned and certified as safe within the risk assessments 'acceptable risk levels'.

Thank you all, I will now spend the rest of my week starting a facebook page and dedicated web-site.

Regards Easo

[akelly]

There's a reason it's called The Courier Hearsay...

there's no debate, a group is running some TV ads. Who gives a toss?

[Marty110]

ban bum cracks - I dunno they're good for a laugh sometimes.....

[steane]

Cyclists and those ridiculous lycra outfits they wear. Everytime I see one I get a little bit of spew in my mouth...:mad:

[Landy Smurf]

I would like you to say to Tony Abbott that there is a new tax on budgie smugglers

[Hoges]

And so it begins!:angry:

Open the door just a little bit and the goody two shoe nanny's jump right through!:angry:

Debate over tax on soft drinks | The Courier-Mail (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/breaking-news/tv-campaign-to-tackle-sugary-drinks/story-e6freono-1226555477761)


I would like to start a debate about banning or taxing plumber's cracks:eek:.
There must be a social cost to this phenomenon. Old ladies going blind, parents shielding the eyes of the young, the temptation to drop an ice cube or hot match in the offending crack:twisted:.

Who's with me?

Ralph

I put it down to a lack of self esteem and strange compulsion for exhibitionism on the part of the crack barers ... I don't know about a social cost... it certainly is a social ill!

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I put it down to a lack of self esteem and strange compulsion for exhibitionism on the part of the crack barers ... I don't know about a social cost... it certainly is a social ill!So what we actually need is plain packaging of plumbers cracks! :p

[easo]

So what we actually need is plain packaging of plumbers cracks! :p

Don't forget to whop a carbon tax down there every time the carbon comes out.

[vnx205]

Don't forget to whop a carbon tax down there every time the carbon comes out.

I think it is methane rather than carbon.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I think it is methane rather than carbon.Methane = CH4 - the "C" being carbon.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/625.jpg

[nugge t]

There's a reason it's called The Courier Hearsay...

there's no debate, a group is running some TV ads. Who gives a toss?

Also picked up by the impeccable Your ABC it appears....

Sugary Drinks - Geoff Parker & Michelle Trute - ABC Queensland - Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) (http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2013/01/sugary-drinks-geoff-parker-michelle-trute.html)


Plain packaging for plumbers sounds the go for sure:D

[akelly]

Also picked up by the impeccable Your ABC it appears....

Sugary Drinks - Geoff Parker & Michelle Trute - ABC Queensland - Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) (http://blogs.abc.net.au/queensland/2013/01/sugary-drinks-geoff-parker-michelle-trute.html)


Plain packaging for plumbers sounds the go for sure:D

Good to see you still cant read your own links. Nowhere does the ABC call this a 'debate'.

Keep up the good work though.

[akelly]

Methane = CH4 - the "C" being carbon.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/625.jpg

Methane is not CO2, therefore not covered by the carbon price.

And most of what will be emitted from plumbers cracks is Hydrogen Sulfide...

Cheers,

Adam

[Ralph1Malph]

Methane is not CO2, therefore not covered by the carbon price.

And most of what will be emitted from plumbers cracks is Hydrogen Sulfide...

Cheers,

Adam

Strengthens the argument IMHO.:p
Emmisions of any kind that are brought into my house by perveyers of crack are a societal nuisance!:eek:

If not banned, they should at least be 'licenced to display' and have an emmisions capturing device installed.

I do like the plain packaging option tho.:lol2:

Ralph

[rick130]

Cyclists and those ridiculous lycra outfits they wear. Everytime I see one I get a little bit of spew in my mouth...:mad:

Says more about you than the cyclists :p

[nugge t]

Good to see you still cant read your own links. Nowhere does the ABC call this a 'debate'.

Keep up the good work though.


You are right they didn't call it a debate, they facilitated their own debate by interviewing both sides.

Geoff Parker from the Australian Beverage Council calls for a widening of the debate. Obviously he thinks it is a debate but I am sure the usual defenders of all things ABC and deriders of all other press will rally.:D

[incisor]

sugar has been debated for years, remember mae west?

personally i think that if sugary drinks impact on the costs of running the health system, then yes, the people making the money from the stuff should be compelled to help pay for the trouble it causes later in life, if it does cause issues.

plenty of evidence says that it does.....

as for the plumbers crack, not a fan myself... oddly enough

[ugu80]

Children - YouTube

[Ralph1Malph]

personally i think that if sugary drinks impact on the costs of running the health system, then yes, the people making the money from the stuff should be compelled to help pay for the trouble it causes later in life, if it does cause issues.

Thar be the issue when discussing this stuff and the main thought provoking reason for my original post.:twisted:
I am all for foods and vices paying their way but where does it stop?:cool:
I am sure that mutton flaps increase obesity in pacific islander communities. Chocolate? But it doesn't mean we should tax or ban them!:no2::bat:

I stole this list as food (pardon the pun) for thought:

Baked beans (high in sugar)
Chicken pot pie (usually high in fat)
Ramen Noodles (high glycemic and sodium)
Saltine crackers (high glycemic and sodium)
Soft drinks (high glycemic)
Eggnog (high in sugar and cholesterol)
Fruit juice with added sugar (high glycemic)
Alcohol (more than one drink per day)
Chocolate (high glycemic)
Cake (high glycemic)
Cookies (high glycemic)
Bagel and cream cheese (high in saturated fat)
Corn chips (high glycemic and high in fat)
Potato chips (high glycemic)
(Any kind of fried chips)
Dough nuts (high glycemic)
French fries (high glycemic and high in fat)
Granola bars (usually high in fat and sugar)
Mayonnaise (high in saturated fat)
Tartar sauce (high in fat)
Peanut butter (high in fat and sugar)
Corn dogs (high glycemic and high fat)
Microwave popcorn (high in fat)
(Just about any fast food)

(Most whole diary products are high in saturated fat. Try using reduced-fat alternatives instead.)

Whole milk
Cheese (whole cheese is very high in fat)
Whole eggs (the yolk is full of fat and cholesterol)
Cream cheese
Cottage cheese
Ice cream

(The following are refined grains which are high glycemic. Refined grains have been milled, a process that removes the bran and germ. Try using whole grains instead.)

Cornbread (from refined corn meal)
Corn tortillas (from refined corn meal)
Crackers
Flour Tortillas (from white flour)
Grits
Pasta (from white flour)
Pitas (from white flour)
Pretzels
Refined breakfast cereals
White Bread
White sandwich buns or rolls
White rice
Croutons

(The following oils are all high in saturated fat. See our healthy foods (http://weightwizard.com/health-tips/health-tips/healthy-foods.html) list for a list of healthy oils.)

Butter
Beef fat
Chicken fat
Pork fat
Stick Margarine
Shortening
Palm oil


We know this stuff is probably not great for us, but the point is that every time someone or somegroup gets on the bandwagon, we end up having to debate/defend/excuse/mitigate the who what where why and merits of the food.

If only a few of those single issue zealots get their agenda recognised, we all suffer through lack of choice or as per my OP, through taxes and banishments.:censored::bangin:

I mean really, pork fat! It's just sooooo yummy!:wasntme:
Tasty debate isn't it?:p

Ralph

[ugu80]

Hey. That's my diet!

[akelly]

You are right they didn't call it a debate, they facilitated their own debate by interviewing both sides.

Geoff Parker from the Australian Beverage Council calls for a widening of the debate. Obviously he thinks it is a debate but I am sure the usual defenders of all things ABC and deriders of all other press will rally.:D

Wow! The ABC presented both sides of a story!?! What a scandal!

:angel:

[tony66_au]

And so it begins!:angry:

I would like to start a debate about banning or taxing plumber's cracks:eek:.
There must be a social cost to this phenomenon. Old ladies going blind, parents shielding the eyes of the young, the temptation to drop an ice cube or hot match in the offending crack:twisted:.

Who's with me?

Ralph

Yeahhhhhh Nup..........

My Plumber is a mate of my Wifes, She (The plumber) is 6'3" tall and has a delightful crack, usually wears daisy dukes and a tie top and works for next to nothing as im useless at plumbing.........

My Plumbers only downside is that she causes me great pain from time to time when Jen whacks me in the head or anywhere else she can reach when im caught admiring lol (Perving)

[incisor]

Thar be the issue when discussing this stuff and the main thought provoking reason for my original post.:twisted:

I mean really, pork fat! It's just sooooo yummy!:wasntme:
Tasty debate isn't it?:p

Ralph

thats why we need a rational debate on the subject..

like everything, its okay in sensible amounts

and who said pork fat is bad :eek:

doing nothing doesnt help either...

[incisor]

Wow! The ABC presented both sides of a story!?!
:angel:

okay...

end it here gents

[akelly]

thats why we need a rational debate on the subject..

like everything, its okay in sensible amounts

and who said pork fat is bad :eek:

doing nothing doesnt help either...

The excellent Dr Karl provides good advice on this subject:

'Eat food, mostly plants, not too much'.

Says it all.

[sam_d]

I'm always confused as to why whole milk is considered to be "bad". Generally it is less than 4% fat and any other product with such a low overall fat content would be proudly proclaiming itself as being "Over 95% Fat Free!!". Milk seems to not be given this treatment.

On the other hand, the "healthy" muesli bars I snack on if I get hungry between meals contain 17.9% fat.

[nugge t]

thats why we need a rational debate on the subject..

like everything, its okay in sensible amounts

and who said pork fat is bad :eek:

doing nothing doesnt help either...

rational debate, couldn't agree more Inc.:D

The science changes so much it is hard to know what really is "right"

I am sure plenty of use had a steak 2 hours before playing footy and were given salt tablets and nothing to drink on hot days in the old days when that was the done thing.

Plain package plumbers cracks and Coke I reckon:D

[incisor]

On the other hand, the "healthy" muesli bars I snack on if I get hungry between meals contain 17.9% fat.

fats arent fats

some good some bad, i believe

i love milk... but like anything you can have too much...

brown body fat i hear is the new bad thing to have...

[steane]

Says more about you than the cyclists :p

You got some Lycra in the wardrobe Rick? :p

I remember pulling up behind a bloke on a bike in all his finery once. He was very skillfully balancing the bike on the spot with his bum in the air, and as my wife unfortunately showed me, a hole in his slick slacks in the nastiest spot.

Thinking back on this now I think she was taking more interest in it than was proper at the time...:eek:

[Hoges]

fats arent fats

some good some bad, i believe

i love milk... but like anything you can have too much...

brown body fat i hear is the new bad thing to have...

Sadly that's true Inc. Exception being Fats Domino...fantastic:eek::D

[rick130]

You got some Lycra in the wardrobe Rick? :p


[snip]



Yep, and a few pairs of skimpy little fitted shorts for when I'm teaching yoga, but the girls reckon I have an arse for them :angel:

[Ralph1Malph]

Oh Dear, they've started already as predicted!

:mad::censored::no2::2up:

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Cheers
Ralph

[Slunnie]

Check the label women.

If you dont have 2 drinks per day you risk not developing! :D

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/859.jpg

[clubagreenie]

It's not the foods. It's the quantity consumed by some added to the lack of get off your butt motion.

[Sparksdisco]

Oh Dear, they've started already as predicted!

:mad::censored::no2::2up:

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Cheers
Ralph

Im actualy for it.

it should be that if it is exported overseas then the lables for the exported ones dont have to carry the label. But why not? it's not hurting anyone to have those lables. and it's far better than no wine at all.

or are you one of those people who have to read the label to decide if it's good?:p:p:p

[Slunnie]

Doesnt bother me either.

[Disco Muppet]

Another move made for the lowest common denominator.

[Ausfree]

And so it begins!:angry:

Open the door just a little bit and the goody two shoe nanny's jump right through!:angry:

Debate over tax on soft drinks | The Courier-Mail (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/breaking-news/tv-campaign-to-tackle-sugary-drinks/story-e6freono-1226555477761)


I would like to start a debate about banning or taxing plumber's cracks:eek:.
There must be a social cost to this phenomenon. Old ladies going blind, parents shielding the eyes of the young, the temptation to drop an ice cube or hot match in the offending crack:twisted:.

Who's with me?

Ralph
Gives new meaning to the words "the tradesmans entrance".:wasntme:

[Sparksdisco]

Gives new meaning to the words "the tradesmans entrance".:wasntme:

When I was an appentice we went to a little old ladys house with my tradesman. we where talking to her about the job and i said to her. "

"so if you show me your manhole is i can jump in it and get started."

The tradesman I was with jumped up and ran out the door and he could not stop laughing. took him about an hour to get it together.

At the time it took me a little time to finaly relise what i said.

When ever tradesman entrance or manhole gets mentioned i always think of that.

[Ralph1Malph]

But why not? it's not hurting anyone to have those lables. and it's far better than no wine at all.

Most of us have that opinion......until it happens to something the individual holds dear.:)

Using this logic, bullbars (hurt chilluns/roos), 4WD's (hurt the environment if abused) and rock fishing rods (one of the most dangerous sports in the world) should all carry warning labels covering at least 25% of the surface area.:p:p:p. Should we accept that?

You are right about the labels on bottles though, I know exactly what is in it and how much to have so more to the point, the label is not necessary!:mad:

Cheers
Ralph

[Slunnie]

Most of us have that opinion......until it happens to something the individual holds dear.:)

Using this logic, bullbars (hurt chilluns/roos), 4WD's (hurt the environment if abused) and rock fishing rods (one of the most dangerous sports in the world) should all carry warning labels covering at least 25% of the surface area.:p:p:p. Should we accept that?

You are right about the labels on bottles though, I know exactly what is in it and how much to have so more to the point, the label is not necessary!:mad:

Cheers
Ralph
But also remember that today the law operates as if people are not responsible for themselves, but at the same time are liable for everybody else. It will be interesting to see if down the track manufacturers of alcoholic drinks become liable for alcohol related accidents or health risks if they dont have these warnings. How crazy is it... almost as crazy as the fat bloke who is suing his doctor at the moment for not telling him to lose weight.

[Disco Muppet]

Spot on Slunnie.


How crazy is it... almost as crazy as the fat bloke who is suing his doctor at the moment for not telling him to lose weight.

Do people like that get a kick out of advertising their seemingly endless stupidity?

[Sparksdisco]

Most of us have that opinion......until it happens to something the individual holds dear.:)

Using this logic, bullbars (hurt chilluns/roos), 4WD's (hurt the environment if abused) and rock fishing rods (one of the most dangerous sports in the world) should all carry warning labels covering at least 25% of the surface area.:p:p:p. Should we accept that?

You are right about the labels on bottles though, I know exactly what is in it and how much to have so more to the point, the label is not necessary!:mad:

Cheers
Ralph

Will it hinder your said activity? No it wont so who cares?
and anyway have you seen a owners manual for a 4WD? or instructions for a bull bar?
I dont own any rock fishing rods but i'm sure thre are instructions for use and warnings for it's use.

Try living in the north west and not be able to buy alcohol on sundays or in comunitys not being able to have any alcohol at all.
Also live up here and see the result of alcohol in your face all day every day.

Not nice