Insurance Co. would like this

[Chucaro]

Web Hunt for DNA Sequences Leaves Privacy Compromised (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/health/search-of-dna-sequences-reveals-full-identities.html?_r=2&)

I can see 2 parties that can rip the benefits out of this, the solicitors and the insurance companies.

[Ralph1Malph]

Web Hunt for DNA Sequences Leaves Privacy Compromised (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/health/search-of-dna-sequences-reveals-full-identities.html?_r=2&)

I can see 2 parties that can rip the benefits out of this, the solicitors and the insurance companies.

How exactly?https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/579.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/580.jpg

Cheers
Ralph

[Chucaro]

How exactly?https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/579.jpghttps://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/580.jpg

Cheers
Ralph

Quite simple, the solicitors for getting involved in litigation for invasion of privacy of their clients.
The insurance company have more money that any research company to contract experts to read the data of their insured people.
It will take a very naive person not to see how this data can be used ;)

[superquag]

Web Hunt for DNA Sequences Leaves Privacy Compromised (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/18/health/search-of-dna-sequences-reveals-full-identities.html?_r=2&)

I can see 2 parties that can rip the benefits out of this, the solicitors and the insurance companies.


Only two ? - Have you forgotten the advertising industry ? At least 50% of any advertising budget is regarded as wasted, so says 'industry wisdom'. Which means that identifying the waste and replacing it.... is their Holy Grail. - Along with the increased revenue they can extract from their clients, who are now focussed on their (needy) targets.

Think of pharmaceuticals, and medical interventions... Certain drugs can now be targeted at people who have a genetic - or imagined - predisposition to an ailment and therefore amenable to the idea of preventative medication...


Now if everyone can be persuaded to give away their genetic codes to government health departments, Law enforcement, private enterprise....:twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted: :twisted::twisted:

[Ralph1Malph]

Ok, so it leaves privacy exposed fwiw.
Another thread is dealing with ciggy smokers.....I see this as the perfect way to identify them, treat their predisposition early, calculate their lifespan so as to levy their health costs up front and 'preorder' new lungs and esophagii. Now you gotta admit, that's got merit.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/549.jpg:D

The litigation thing is little more than a matter of law. Lawyers only make money if there is a law there for them to leach off. Make DNA identification a lawful public health and well being activity rather than a privacy issue and the lawyers make nothing ala fingerprints. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/550.jpg

Fingerprinting was probably a privacy issue as well when introduced but we don't really care about it now.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/551.jpg

Cheers

Btw, found a whole heap of smilies so trying 'em out! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/552.jpg

Cheers
Ralph

[Chucaro]

Going by your sarcastic comment it appears to me that you are the reincarnation of Alice in the Wonderland :p :D

[DeeJay]

Ok, so it leaves privacy exposed fwiw.
Another thread is dealing with ciggy smokers.....I see this as the perfect way to identify them, treat their predisposition early, calculate their lifespan so as to levy their health costs up front and 'preorder' new lungs and esophagii. Now you gotta admit, that's got merit.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/549.jpg:D

The litigation thing is little more than a matter of law. Lawyers only make money if there is a law there for them to leach off. Make DNA identification a lawful public health and well being activity rather than a privacy issue and the lawyers make nothing ala fingerprints. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/550.jpg

Fingerprinting was probably a privacy issue as well when introduced but we don't really care about it now.https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/551.jpg

Cheers

Btw, found a whole heap of smilies so trying 'em out! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/552.jpg

Cheers
Ralph

In that last smilie the yellow guy gets a kick in the nuts :confused:

[Ralph1Malph]

In that last smilie the yellow guy gets a kick in the nuts :confused:

Yup :D
Found it in a smiley list on another forum I am a member of. Cool huh!https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/454.jpg

Chukka,
Not trying to be sarcastic, just reflecting my own views [thumbsupbig].

All discussion is good! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/455.jpg

Cheers
Ralph https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/456.jpg

[3toes]

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Fingerprinting was probably a privacy issue as well when introduced but we don't really care about it now.

[/QUOTE]

Here in the Uk the police division called New SCotland yard gained the new prefix after the 'old' Scotland Yard was blown up by a group concerned about the powers that the new technology of finger prints provided the police with.

[Chucaro]

I do not have any problem with fingerprinting, back in uruguay we have an ID card with the fingerprint on it, also the Uruguayan passport have it and the electoral card.

Having your genetic map public is another issue, as an example, there are possibilities of without you even know that there is a gene that shows strong possibilities for having a fatal disease and on that grounds insurance company can denied to pay a life insurance policy.

[Ralph1Malph]

I do not have any problem with fingerprinting, back in uruguay we have an ID card with the fingerprint on it, also the Uruguayan passport have it and the electoral card.

Having your genetic map public is another issue, as an example, there are possibilities of without you even know that there is a gene that shows strong possibilities for having a fatal disease and on that grounds insurance company can denied to pay a life insurance policy.

That is concerning, but what if we used that information for good, not evil?
Letting folks know when they are likely to fall off the perch and why.:cool: We could take early steps to rectify? Maybe shouldn't be public but certainly not to be shied away from.:thumbsup:

Cheers
Ralph:twobeers:

[Chucaro]

That is concerning, but what if we used that information for good, not evil?
Letting folks know when they are likely to fall off the perch and why.:cool: We could take early steps to rectify? Maybe shouldn't be public but certainly not to be shied away from.:thumbsup:

Cheers
Ralph:twobeers:

Now you started to understand my spanglish or point of view :D
The voluntary people were more that happy to provide their genetic data for the study on hand but not to made it public. That was my point.
I am more than happy to provide my gene data for the purpose of research and science but I would not tolerate to made it public with my name and personal data.

[Ralph1Malph]

Now you started to understand my spanglish or point of view :D
The voluntary people were more that happy to provide their genetic data for the study on hand but not to made it public. That was my point.
I am more than happy to provide my gene data for the purpose of research and science but I would not tolerate to made it public with my name and personal data.

I concede. https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/515.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/516.jpg
You win this time! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/517.jpg https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/518.jpg

I'll best you next time Chukka!https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/519.jpg


Cheers
Ralph

[Chucaro]

No Ralph, we both win, that how we are getting old and wiser :D

[superquag]

(just to be contrary...:twisted::twisted::twisted:)

I reckon your both lose... There is no way a government can be trusted to keep your details 'private', they will escape by accident, cyber-theft or worse still, a change in Law.
Then there is the encroachment of one department into the territory of another over time and/or by power-hungry Public Service Mandarins and self-interest groups.

Take Medical Records. Up till recent times, whatever your GP wrote on your file stayed in the cabinet. Literally. A court order was required to gain access, and besides, certain pieces of paper could be "lost" along the way if the Doctor wanted. Your secrets - in the hands of a good GP - were as safe and private as could be.

Now most GP's enter your info into a Data File, which may or may not be run from within the building. This may also be accessable on-line if it has internet connection. - Legally or by hacking.

Medicare now suggests that your medical details are stored 'on-line', so they can be accessed by hospitals, other treating medicos.... ( but "never" by a Govt. Department ?) They want you to volunteer your info.

Can you see where this is leading ? - Every step towards public access is covered by protestations of Privacy and Checks & Balances.... and if you believe THAT, - then you have no problem with "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help you..." :eek::eek::eek:

Take your Driver's Licence. - You'd better, as various States are doing their best to take it from you. Seen the latest "Assessing Fitness to Drive" from Ausroads and the NTC ? No matter what your Doctor (or specialist) may say, the final decision is in the hands of faceless public servants... who now can - and do - demand YOUR Lab results. And medication lists (from your GP's private notes...) which you consented to IF you advised the licencing authorities that you were afflicted with certain medical conditions.
That some of these conditions are not the cause of many accidents is beside the point... easier and politically profitable to hit these standing targets...than 'driver attitudes' and mental impairments (Stupid drivers as well as nutters...) or even 'Suicide by Car'.

Naturally, with inter-departmental cross-infection... 'Licencing' may pick up on what they feel is notifiable... before you have a chance to make that decision. Penalties may apply... More revenue and Justification for the existance and expansion of said department(s).

And you think your genetic code is going to remain Private ??????


I'm not concerned with the appropriate authorities knowing who I am, just don't see any need for them to know (Knowledge is Power) more than that.


PS. But I like the smileys !

[Chucaro]

superquag, I agree with your view, my comment about both wining was in the context that by exchanging ideas and/or points of view we enrich our knowledge therefore we all win :)
I am very sarcastic about what big brother knows or need to know believe and also do not believe that there are safe kept data any more.
The other problem is that if there are any breech of the law the average person do not have the money available to defend itself :(

[clubagreenie]

Lets go back to fingerprinting.

If you're taken in and printed, and it gets done as a matter of course. Even if you're later let go without charge, the prints are assigned to a file number known as a MIN number. This creates a file with ALL your info from the basics (name, address DOB etc) to charges (even if dropped) and is shared between the police and Dept of Corrective Services.

Hell you even get a file if you get done for something like neg driving. I managed to avoid getting printed when I got done (long story) but I have a file and since I "have access" have seen it and it also details medical record that are pertinent to the charges or if they are relevant to your license as noted earlier then that is detailed in there as well.

Add DNA collection and that'll be in there, then they'll "digitise" medical records (by banning paper as a OHS issues due to the number of paper cuts each year exceeding the road toll). As for being safe, all the computers that I know of that have access to those records also have printer attached and internet access.

[Tombie]

And yet strangely I still don't give a **** :)

Take my DNA.. Screen me... Who cares!!!!

Nothing to hide...

[Roverlord off road spares]

There always a outcry about privacy, so why isn't face book and the like closed down. People tell every thing to others what they are doing all the time. You don't even need tracing devices as they offer information about them selves freely.
Sorry I Hate social media, too many brain deads on it all the time. Mainly Teenagers. ( I have 2)

[Ratel10mm]

Yup :D
Found it in a smiley list on another forum I am a member of. Cool huh!https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/454.jpg

Chukka,
Not trying to be sarcastic, just reflecting my own views [thumbsupbig].

All discussion is good! https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/455.jpg

Cheers
Ralph https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/01/456.jpg
Ralph, I recognise some of those smileys from the 'BB' forum. You on there too?

[JDNSW]

...
Having your genetic map public is another issue, as an example, there are possibilities of without you even know that there is a gene that shows strong possibilities for having a fatal disease and on that grounds insurance company can denied to pay a life insurance policy.

Not legally in this country.

John

[superquag]

Not legally in this country.

John

... Yet...

[Chucaro]

Not legally in this country.

John

Is not legal for research institutions to have gene data on PC. database?
How then can perform the studies and collaborate with another institutions?

If the above is legal, then forget about the other legalities, corruption is what we are talking here.
It was not allowed to made it public in USA, but it was exposed by accident or negligence.
For that reason I mentioned that solicitors and insurance companies would like this.

As an example it is not legal in Australia for the police or motor transport agencies to disclose details of their clients to the public but gangs get them with any problem ( I talk with base pass experience here ;) )