Bitten By The Bug

[Chris72]

After buying the series 1 I put out the word I was looking for land Rover parts and have to admit word of mouth seems to be working for me, I found a original series 1 manual for $20, but the more exiting find was a series 2 wagon complete that had been restored over 20 years ago, all the rust cut out from chassis and apparently there wasn't a lot to start with, painted with 2pak has the original 6 cylinder motor and gear box, safari roof, plus a set of chrome sunraisers with good tyres, The hole thing just needs put back together, motor needs rings as it was a using quite a bit of oil. anyway enjoy the pic's

Cheers Chris

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[Series3 GT]

I know what you mean, I bought my first Landy, a 1970 IIA nearly 5 years ago the 3 years after that I bought my 1976 Series 3 and Last year I bought my 1976 Range Rover. With finding stuff at the right time, I was about to give up on findind a 202 to replace the 2.25 when she lets go and a week later I found one and the bloke said I could have it for free and yeatersay I went to a book sale and I found a How to Tune your Holley book which is handy for the V8 100" and I also found a Holden workshop manual for the 202. If its at a fair price it'd be worth it having a good chassis body and an original 2.6 6cyl. And it's a county or has county stickers.

[Chris72]

The bloke I'm get this this from seems to know his his stuff, he was telling me how he was going to put a hemi 265 in this useing an adapter plate and fitting it to a landcrusier box, but Im not getting them in the deal, it's already had the orignal diffs replaced with sulsbury diffs and the only parts missing are the front seats as he had valiant bucket's in there and he used them on another project, aswell as the chassis bolts but he did say there floating around in his shed somewhere, Don't think it's the country just the sticker's.
I must admit I do like colecting.

Cheers

[Series3 GT]

The 265 Hemi wasn't a very common conversion but a good few people have done it and said it's fantastic but many prefer the 245 or 225. The salisburys will help strength wise, If they've been changed to a higher ratio that would make it a much nicer road vehicle. Looks like it's a late IIA wagon not Series II judging by the headlights being on the wings but they could have been retro fitted. Sounds like its going to be a good project keep us posted.

[Chris72]

It's a 1971 if that helps I.D. it, this one is going straight in my shed in the next couple of weeks, have to organise a trailer to pick it up first, In the meantime I still have the series 1 to sort out which needs more work than I anticipated, mainly wiring and brakes as I'm half way into the engine change over.

Cheers Chris

[Series3 GT]

That's definetly a IIA then being a 1971, one of the very last IIA's. They have that bit more reliability cause they were in production for longer than the SII and they had ironed out most of the faults. Thats what I've heard and read but I don't know I've never driven or owned a SII, I've only driven my IIA.

[Chris72]

I'm having thoughts about passing on the series 1 ute cab and concentrating on this one, seems this is in much better condition, the ute would be a much longer project but nice when finished.

Cheers Chris

[Series3 GT]

A fully restored Series I is worth quite a bit and they are very sought after but it's your decision, the IIA is a good looking wagon if you look past the dust and missing panels, and certainly much better road vehicle compared to the Series I.

[mick88]

Late Series 2A not a Series 2!
Nice find too!

Cheers, Mick.

[Chris72]

The guy I'm getting the 2a from said it can stay in his shed until I'm ready to pick it up which is a bonus, as soon as I sell my boat I'll be able to make room for them both, It's funny the more I work on the series 1 the more I like it, I originally bought it for a wood/fishing bus but now I would love to find a 2.25 and get it back as close to original as i can, when I first got it I was thinking of painting it flat black with limestone white wheels but now I can only see it in olive green lol .

Cheers Chris

[Series3 GT]

I don't think Series I's ever came with a 2.25, they came with either a 1.6, 1.8 or a 2.0L petrol or diesel but not a 2.25. If your after original find out what engine your Series I came with but if your after a bit more poke you can put a 2.25 in.

[Landy Smurf]

the 2.25 for the 2a or the 1?

[Chris72]

Ordered a couple of books today (Practical Classics on Land Rover Series 1 Restoration) and (Land Rover Series I, II & IIA The Essential Buyer's Guide)

Perhaps finding a landy motor close by might be a challenge but not impossible, you never know what some of these old farmers have laying about on there properties.

cheers Chris

[Landy Smurf]

I know where I could get you one but you are too far away :(:(

[Chris72]

I know where I could get you one but you are too far away :(:(

Yeah the freight cost would be a killer, I wouldn't mind finding something with in a couple 100 klm's from home, I could make it a day trip.

[Series3 GT]

the 2.25 for the 2a or the 1?
2.25 for the Series 1, where are you cause I've got a 2.25 petrol sitting around thats ripe for a rebuild.

[JDNSW]

I would not call your 2a a wagon - I would keep that term for the station wagons, either the five door 109 or the three door 88 with deluxe trim and rear side seats.

What you have would be described as a lwb hardtop, and would have been sold as a three seater, although being a six, the middle passenger wants to have short legs.

The six cylinder motor was not the best motor fitted to Landrovers, and today suffers from high fuel consumption and difficulty finding some parts. But does drive nicely when in good condition, and is well behaved if looked after. But does not stand up to abuse and neglect like the four cylinder engines.

John

[Chris72]

2.25 for the Series 1, where are you cause I've got a 2.25 petrol sitting around thats ripe for a rebuild.

I'm in SA not far from the Vic SA border, It's a bit to far away think I might have to pass on that one, thanks anyway.

[Series3 GT]

Get it registered and then drop a V8 in it:twisted:, you'll get a ton of grunt and probably the same fuel consumption, or the less expensive more practical option is the Holden motor. But I'd prefer a V8 or a Ford 250 or maybe a Valiant of some description. Then again you may like the 2.6 Rover and just rebuild it and keep it original.

[Chris72]

Get it registered and then drop a V8 in it:twisted:, you'll get a ton of grunt and probably the same fuel consumption, or the less expensive more practical option is the Holden motor. But I'd prefer a V8 or a Ford 250 or maybe a Valiant of some description. Then again you may like the 2.6 Rover and just rebuild it and keep it original.

I've been looking into most of the common conversions and the one I would like to do is a 200 tdi , also been trying find out what work can be done to the original 6 cyl to hot it up a bit proberly not worth it though. The guy that I got the s2 from was going to put a hemi in it and has a adaptor for the hemi to a toyota land cruiser 5 speed but wants to keep it for a project he's working on. I have a stock 202 out of a Torana that was breathing and using more oil than a fish and chip shop, so that would need a rebuild and I would need to find an adaptor plate as well as the 4 cyl bell housing, the easiest option would be rebuild the original 6 and get it back on the road then later down the track look at a motor swap.

Cheers Chris

[Series3 GT]

Rebuilding the original 6cyl is probably the best option really, just upgrade the valves cause they had a habit of burning out and fit an overdrive and you'll get far better cruising speeds and fuel economy. Finding a Holden adaptor isn't very hard but you would need different mounts compared to a 4cyl, then again I found a set of 6cyl Holden mounts for a Landy the other day at a wrecker. They use the same adaptor but different mounts.

[Chris72]

So what can be done to these 6 cyl heads apart from harden valve's and valve seats, I assume having the head rebuilt to suit lpg would be a good move as it would allow me to do a lpg conversion, also what work could be done to the bottom end ?

Cheers Chris

[Series3 GT]

Well to hot it up you can put in a new cam, extractors, higher compression head, upgrade the carby, upgrade the ignition system with electronic ignition, ported and polished head and other things like stroker kits. But this all costs quite a bit, stuff like extractors, upgraded carby and ignition is fairly simple and not too expensive. The new cam would make a big difference but at a price.

[Chris72]

I've stared read gromits thread http://www.aulro.com/afvb/leaf-sprung-military-land-rovers/118730-ffr-refurb.html to try and workout what I'm in for as I like the idea of having the original running gear, it will all come down to cost I think around a grand would be well spent on this motor and if I set it up to run on lpg I would be saving some money long term. I would like to set the 2a for camping and the odd trip up to the Vic gold fields, think the old bus would perfect for it.

Cheers Chris

[chazza]

Check that you can still get all of the parts for the Rover 6 cyl, before you get in too deep.

The 200 tdi conversion is very easy to do but finding one in WA will take some patience - if you do, get the radiator; intercooler and all of the ancillaries with it and make sure you hear it running if possible. Converting to a 300tdi manifold solves the hitting-the-chassis problem. Fitting a 300 tdi is possible as well,

Cheers Charlie

[Series3 GT]

I was looking at the 200TDI for a bit but the cost was a bit much for me. I found a complete motor and gearbox for about $2000 I think it was down my way. It would be a good conversion but expensive to purchase a motor compared to Holden sixes and Ford motors. If you went down the TDI path get an overdrive or get higher ratio diffs cause a 200TDI revs out fairly quick like most Diesels, even better still get a R380 or maybe a LT77 (not recomended for hard use) but that adds even more cost. Certainly diff centres for any Series being used on the road regulary.

[Chris72]

I had quick look around the net and only found a couple of 200 tdi motor's, one was needing a rebuild and he was asking about $2500, the other was already done (crate motor) for about $5500, not cheap. I spoke to a engine re-builder in Adelaide about getting the head done, he told me the first thing he would do is a harden test as the aluminium can become soft over the years and cause trouble by pushing the head gasket into the head and leaking, he also mention I could be up for $3000 to $3500 to rebuild the original motor, Looks like I might be going for a Holden 6 conversion at least for the moment.

Cheers Chris

[chazza]

Chris, have a look for an early Disco, rather than just an engine. Two people I know bought one each for about $2000 and they could drive them home fully licenced :D You also have the advantage with this method, of seeing how everything connects and not forgetting any vital ancillaries.

The heads for the 200tdi are now no longer available; however; a 300 tdi head can be made to fit. Alternatively a 300tdi may be an easier way to go if you can't find a good 200tdi. Turner Engineering sell brand new heads for a reasonable price.The quote you got for a re-build, should be able to be reduced by about $1000 if you build it yourself.

The Holden engine is fine on the black-top but lacks torque off-road and the sump and carburettor are not designed for extreme angles,

Cheers Charlie

[Chris72]

There's a 1997 Disco S TDI in Adelaide with 200,000 k's on the clock, the guy has it on ebay starting at 2 grand, has a bit of damage to the drivers door eBay Australia: Buy new & used fashion, electronics & home d (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271145454364'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_500wt_1414) atm I don't have that sort of cash to spend, when I sell my boat then I can have a good look around for a donor vehicle.

Cheers Chris

[chazza]

Nice one! Don't forget that you can sell bits off the Disco that you don't want, which will help offset the purchase price,

Cheers Charlie

[Chris72]

I'm hoping he doesn't sell it then I might be able to work something out with the owner, also are the diffs and axle's a straight swap or do you need to swap the whole axle housing?

Cheers Chris

[NiteMare]

i guess i better jump in here being as you're considering a swap to the 200/300tdi engine

first the engine mounts on a 6cylinder chassis will be in the wrong place to carry either engine so those would need moving to support the engine

next the 300 engine doesn't have the right hand side engine mount in the same place as the 200 and the filter head is different covering what "would" be the 200 mount position, this can be got round by making your own oil filter adaptor to remote it and making up your own engine mount at the same time, or if chopping out the sixpot mounts you could just put one where you need it on the chassis

next we have a bellhousing problem, the sixpot bellhousing doesn't have it's studs located the same positions as a four pot so will not bolt up to a 200 or 300tdi but you can swap the bellhousing with a fourpot one

also in a sixpot chassis the gearbox sits further back than in a four pot chassis due to the extra length of the sixpot engine, this in turn pulls a four pot engine back in the chassis and deeper into the bulkhead which leads us to another problem with the 200 and 300tdi's, the turbo and exhaust manifold now needs to be in the passenger footwell so you'll be cutting the footwell

the 300 manifold/turbo may be easier to deal with as it sits closer to the engine but, you may find it better to source a pair of 200/300 Defender manifolds and turbo (not gospel so you may still have clearance problems)

you may think "well why not move the engine and gearbox forwards", this would again mean reconstructing the bulkhead (or swapping it for a fourpot one) as the gearstick would otherwise be in the engine bay plus you'd need to fit a new gearbox crossmember along with possibly other problems underneath on the chassis (i've had nothing to do with a sixpot landrover as of yet) but i know of one or two chaps that have fitted tdi engines into the sixpot chassis on both the Series2 forum
The Series 2 Club Forum - Index (http://www.series2club.co.uk/forum/forum/index.php)

and OLLR
Old Leafsprung Land Rovers - Index (http://ollr.createaforum.com/index.php)

(two of my favourite leafsprung forums)

now none of these problems are impossible to overcome but they do need considering, i've swapped 3 x 2.25 fourpot engines for the 200tdi, 2 in 88" Series and one in my 1965 109 2a (i've a thread in "other engines") which are relatively simple swaps, in my 109 i fitted a 300 turbo to my 200 engine to save me scalloping the chassis or tilting the engine and gearbox to clear the chassis rail with the 200 turbo, in the 88" they drop in without any worry of chassis/turbo interferance (109 chassis is 6" deep where the 88" is only 4" deep)

both turbos can be "clocked" to keep the compressor outlet inside the inner wing, 300 is trickier as you have to make your own wastegate actuator bracket but the 200 only has to have two holes drilled and tapped into it to hold the wastegate actuator once the body has been clocked, i didn't clock either turbo on my first swaps but i have on my third

finally diffs, Rover axles are dead easy they'll both carry early Disco, Range Rover, Defender 10 spline 3.54:1 ratio diffs with just two locating studs removed from the diff housing/axle, a Salisbury axle requires an early 110 Salisbury diff

swapping axles to disco ones can be done but it is quite involved and requires spring perches/brackets removing and replacing with ones for a leaf sprung motor, the other difficulty is getting them set up just right for the steering linkage from the steering relay to the nearside swivel as it crosses too close to the leafspring which forces you to mess up the castor angle, powersteering is now required really (again i've done none of this but i've looked closely and read of others experiences with this conversion, it's not something i'd be happy to attempt with my limited engineering experience/skills)

not trying to put you off the idea at all (far from it) but just trying to warn you of possible difficulties

it's definitely worth a visit to the Series2 forum as we have dedicated 200 and 300 sections for those of us that like the engines and have played with them (i'm a club member so would recommend there anyway :D)

OLLR also is well worth a visit and introduction on the basis of very knowledgeable folks there, many of who really do like to tinker and swap parts and have swapped the 200/300 engines into Series vehicles (one stuck a 200tdi into an old Rover P4, really nice to drive i loved it :D), nice chaps but do introduce yourself first, it's not a family friendly forum as the language gets a little ripe at times (it's a forum of mates letting thier hair down :eek:) but don't let the bad boys scare you away :lol2:

ok i think that's enough from me, hope i'm not trying to teach you to suck eggs but i'm just trying to share a few of the difficulties i know you'll face, all are solveable but i don't have all the answers

hope it helps

[Series3 GT]

Are you looking at going Diesel or are you considering petrol? Keeping it Rover or don't mind other options? For keeping it Rover you've got the original 2.6 obviously but you don't seem to keen on it but thats fine, the 200/300 TDI as you were looking at, or not really Rover is the 4BD1 out of a 110. Great motor (it's an Izuzu so of course it's good) plenty of low down torque and enough power to move it along but then you've got drive train strength issues. Petrol options, Holden red, blue and black, Ford 200 or 250, Valiant 215, 245 or 265, the mighty Rover V8 (my pick of the lot but thats just personal opinion) back to the diesels you've got the Nissan SD33 and TD42, Dihatsu make a couple that seem to be popular for dropping into Landys (the only Dihatsu diesel I can think of at the moment is a 2.6 4cyl but theres more) but theres so many options it all depends on what you want and your budget and mechanical skills, some conversions are fairly straight forward and others require lots of time, money and thinking.

[Chris72]

I like the diesels I think there a much better option in the mud and dirt and they don't mind getting wet, also like the turbo idea but not to fussed about going down that path just yet, I've also been thinking about some of the datsun motors and if they'll bolt up straight up to cabstar 5 speed box, it all comes down to money atm as I can do a lot of the work myself, welding and mechanical etc. I've just put a new holden motor in the series 1 and have some rewiring to do, I'm thinking of selling it once it has rego to fund a motor for the series 2a, weather that be rebuilding the original 6 or doing a diesel conversion.

Cheers Chris

[Chris72]

Well it's been a few months, but I've finally sold the boat and now have the shed room, time to get this beast home. Let the fun begin. :D

[Chris72]

Pick up the Landie tomorrow, must admit I'm a bit exited about bringing it home and give it a clean up, bit like a kid on xmas eve, I'm really looking forward to getting it back on the road. It's been nearly 12 months since I sold my Prado and I miss having a 4wd.
Will put some pic's up tomorrow.

[Chris72]

Got it home, had a bit a trouble with the front brakes locking on but all good now, still have to pick up the doors, windscreen, motor, gearbox next weekend.

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[garrywlh]

Glad you finally got it home. Look forward to seeing what you do with it. :):) Strange colour. Do you know its history?

[Chris72]

Doug the previous owner told me it's a Leyland colour used on the P76 and Mini, He first bought it in 1983 with a flat tray on the back, then replaced that with the van top and wagon sides, think he said there off a series 3, its a original 6 cyl, but I'm now thinking about putting a Holden 202 in it as I have the adaptor plate and just need to make up some engine mounts, also need to get the body back off to paint the chassis and start engine conversion. Not sure how I'm going to get the body off by myself was thinking I could use some ropes and the shed A frames, anyone have any other idea's on that 1 ?

[Chris72]

After having a look at Leyland paint I believe the colour is called "Gambier Turquoise" seems it's from the Austin Morris Division and Clubman !971-1972.
I've looked up the vin no. on Calvin and got this

347 Model: Land Rover, Series IIA
Body type: Basic
Wheel base: 109in
Engine: 6-cylinder
Model years: 1966-1971
Destination: Completely knocked down (CKD), right-hand drive (RHD)
10357 Serial number
G Design: Six significant design modifications
Suffix used from April 1969 till October 1971
Cheers Chris

[gromit]

After having a look at Leyland paint I believe the colour is called "Gambier Turquoise" seems it's from the Austin Morris Division and Clubman !971-1972.


Scroll down to Leyland Austin Morris Division commencing April 1972 and you'll find Gambier Turquoise 4700.
Further down you'll find the Dulon tinting details. Most paint shops will want to colour match because the tints have changed over the years.

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Colin

[UncleHo]

From memory it was also an optional colour on either the Stage 1's or the early 110 County's :)

cheers

[Chris72]

Doug the previous owner did all the paint work himself, he's pretty handy with the spray gun, it's just a guess but I would say that the 110 country was his inspiration on this one, I'll ask him on the weekend.