Snorkel for 2012 Defender.

[Alra]

Hi all,

I'm a newbie to AULRO and it looks awesome. I'm looking at putting a snorkel on a 2012 Defender so I went into my nearest ARB store to sus it out. The guys at the store told me that they don't have one for the 2.2 litre engine that the Defender has changed over to. Has anyone out there fitted a snorkel to one of the new 2.2 Defenders? If so what product did you go with?

Cheers,

Danial.

[carlschmid2002]

I think you might want to try a new ARB store as I am sure that the Safari fits. I have the LR RAI but it is quite expensive.

[Alra]

Thanks. Will have a look around. Not much to choose from out this way though. The store is an ARB stockist only, probably should have mentioned that before.

[The ho har's]

Welcome to the forum:)

[thejonoaffair]

Hi all,

I'm a newbie to AULRO and it looks awesome. I'm looking at putting a snorkel on a 2012 Defender so I went into my nearest ARB store to sus it out. The guys at the store told me that they don't have one for the 2.2 litre engine that the Defender has changed over to. Has anyone out there fitted a snorkel to one of the new 2.2 Defenders? If so what product did you go with?

Cheers,

Danial.

Hey Alra,
I'm in the same boat with my 2013 110 I have on order.
I also had my ARB guy telling me they had no listing for the 2.2 (or the 2.4 for that matter) but I'm sure I've seen 2.2/2.4 Defenders running around with Safari snorkels on them.
Quick question for you;
Where is your air intake and air filter located?
All Defenders I've seen with a snorkel, have them running down the drivers side into the side panel infront of the door. But I've looked at the 2013MY Defenders and it appears they have the intake on the LEFT hand top wing where the chequer plate protectos go.
Cheers,
Jono

[manic]

Hey Alra,
But I've looked at the 2013MY Defenders and it appears they have the intake on the LEFT hand top wing where the chequer plate protectos go.
Cheers,
Jono

Traditionally the top wing left side intake is for the heater intake. Side wing left or right side used for air intake. Looking at this puma I can see air intake on drivers side
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1372.jpg

Safari snorkels have left side and right side defender variants. 300tdi snorkel and newer goes on the right side, 200tdi the only one I know that uses left side. Defender bodywork has not changed over the years, so just buy one that goes on the side where your intake is.

[Alra]

Jono,

You are one step ahead of me mate. I didn't look under the hood before ordering the 110. I would just be assuming that the snorkel would be going on the side that is easiest to fit the snorkel.

Cheers,

Danial.

[thejonoaffair]

Thanks Manic and Danial,
I thought this only because I saw (and heard) the intake on the right side wing, as you mentioned, on the 110 I test drove. This was a late 2011/early 2012 model I believe. But then looking at the 2013MY new ones in the yard, the plastic opening where this was in the right side wing, had a solid plastic peice in place and the opening in the top left wing was opened up with the filter (or what I am 95% sure is the air filter) just behind it under the bonnet. I guess I'll just have to wait and see.
Still will be 2-3 months before I get it anyway[bigsad]
But can't wait for my first Defender![thumbsupbig]

[DefenderJim]

My 2012 has the safari snorkel, purchased via ARB, went throught the same problems when I went to get it, ARB had none listed. They chased it up with Safari and it is the same snorkel as the 2.4 Puma's.

Jim

[dunny1]

On my 2012 110 the air intake is on the right just in front of the door and the air filter box is just behind the right head light.
I have been looking around for a snorkel as well and found out a good bit of information - raised air intakes are different to snorkels, be carefully ordering on line as the cheaper raised air intakes are not water proof.....

[Alra]

My 2012 has the safari snorkel, purchased via ARB, went throught the same problems when I went to get it, ARB had none listed. They chased it up with Safari and it is the same snorkel as the 2.4 Puma's.

Jim

Hi Jim,

Have you had any water leaking where the snorkel goes into the engine bay? Can I also ask how long ago you had the snorkel fitted?.

Cheers,

Danial.

[DefenderJim]

Hi Jim,

Have you had any water leaking where the snorkel goes into the engine bay? Can I also ask how long ago you had the snorkel fitted?.

Cheers,

Danial.

Havent had any problems as yet, BUT having said that, I havent done anything that would completely submerge the base of the snorkel, but definately splashed over it.

Put it in myself last August (2012), used plenty of sikaflex, I do know others on here that have decided that the system is nigh on impossible to seal completely with the factory piping and have re-run their own.

Hope that helps

Jim

[juddy]

Why not get a Mantec one, they look far better than the safari ones. And are OEM spec too.

[Petervano]

Hi
I was also searching the forums for what snorkels fit the newer model defenders.
Anyway I never found a definitive answer I was looking for on any the forums, but I though I would post on what I did find out.
After ringing around this is what I found:
- Original Snorkel from Landrover is ~$1000 to fit yourself
- Safari Snorkels Model numbers SS581HF are the new model for the defender, although the older model SS580HF does also fit. SS581 is about $330 and SS581HF is about $470 to self fit.
- Airflow, aledgley don't have one that fist the newer model defender with 2.2l diesel engines.

Regards
Peter van O

[Willow4]

Hi Alra,

I have recently fitted a Mantec air intake to my 2013 110. As per Juddy's comment, I personally prefer the Mantec style - I think it looks more 'traditional'.

As for being 'waterproof', while I'm no expert, from my research it appears to be affected by:

1. How good you seal the air intake to the extenal body
2. How you fix the internal tubing to the airbox. As someone mentioned many people make their own. There is also someone on here who fabricates a great looking solution (just cant remember their details) which replaces the factory LR internal tubing.

Also the Mantec took me about 45 minutes to install (including stopping for a coffee).

cheers,

Wayne

[weeds]

this thread may help you in making the RAI into a snorkle

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/verandah/173502-puma-sealed-air-intake-kit-safari-snorkel.html

[n plus one]

2. How you fix the internal tubing to the airbox. As someone mentioned many people make their own. There is also someone on here who fabricates a great looking solution (just cant remember their details) which replaces the factory LR internal tubing.



Nugget is the member you are thinking of - his mod is for sale in the verandah.

Edit: oops, see Weeds' link above...

[Loubrey]

I'm a bit of a traditionalist when it gets to Defenders and pretty much all Mantec's gear is the go for me. They used to supply most of the kit for the Camel Trophy (link for those too young to know) and all the kit for the G4 Challenge (a link for those interested...:D).

Mantec | Quality Land Rover Accessories (http://www.mantec.co.uk/products.cfm'thePCID=D6A6C146-CCC2-2234-6F6AD305F3DE7E28)


Camel Trophy
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=camel+trophy&safe=active&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ML6mUYmJI8mykgWolIHgBg&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=677


G4 Challenge
https://www.google.com.au/search'safe=active&q=g4+challenge&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.47244034,d.dGI&biw=1366&bih=677&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=g76mUYefMuaviQfLrICYDQ

Cheers,

Lou

[TwoUp]

Welcome,
The Land Rover raised intake is designed to allow solids and liquids to pass, rather than be forced induced into the air system, worth a thought. I have a L/Rover unit on my 2012, 130. I have a Safari in my 1998, 110. I have not had an issue with either of them, but they are different too each other. the 98 allows water, sticks/ twiggs etc to release underneath. I don't think the newer vehicles have the capasity to do this.

Cheers,
PeterW

Note;
Stick and twiggs get trapped in the bottom of the air Box, trying to exit.

[Loubrey]

Peter,

The Land Rover OEM one is made by Mantec in the UK, hence the same technology on the head of the "non-filtered" one as per their web site. They in fact manufacture just about all of Land Rovers OME hardware...

The only difference between the Mantec "plastic jobbie" and the Land Rover one is the jerry can style "X" on the base of the Land Rover one vs the the word "Mantec" on the other. Well, that and the fact that the Land Rover one costs 3 times more to buy...

Cheers,

Lou

[thejonoaffair]

Hi
I was also searching the forums for what snorkels fit the newer model defenders.
Anyway I never found a definitive answer I was looking for on any the forums, but I though I would post on what I did find out.
After ringing around this is what I found:
- Original Snorkel from Landrover is ~$1000 to fit yourself
- Safari Snorkels Model numbers SS581HF are the new model for the defender, although the older model SS580HF does also fit. SS581 is about $330 and SS581HF is about $470 to self fit.
- Airflow, aledgley don't have one that fist the newer model defender with 2.2l diesel engines.

Regards
Peter van O

I can confirm about the Safari Snorkels.... Here is a couple of pics showing my 2013 110, picked up in early May. A week later here it is with a Safari Snorkel fitted by ARB Albury for a grand total of $550. When ARB asked what engine it had, the 2 choices they had on their books were Td4 or Td5, I said it was the Td4 and all was well!

[78RRman]

I also had a safari snorkel fitter and sealed to my my12 at Ritter for about the same price as thejonoaffair, they didn't even ask whether it was a 2.2 or 2.4 same snorkel I think.
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[ProjectDirector]

I am getting my new 110 done next week at Ritter and they are fitting a Mantec snorkel and I was told that they spend time on sealing this to achieve "waterproofing" status, that's what they say anyway. They are very well aware the Mantec is only a raised air intake so the reason they focusing on better seals.

Let you know next week with some photos.

Cheers

[78RRman]

I am getting my new 110 done next week at Ritter and they are fitting a Mantec snorkel and I was told that they spend time on sealing this to achieve "waterproofing" status, that's what they say anyway. They are very well aware the Mantec is only a raised air intake so the reason they focusing on better seals.

Let you know next week with some photos.

Cheers

They do a fantastic job of sealing I didn't even have to ask

[Mikev]

Here are some pics of the Mantec "plastic jobby". It is nicely streamlined which means no additional wind noise, and almost no reduction in visibility from the right hand seat.

[Defender Mike]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/1080.jpgI pulled my snorkel off and sealed the joins it wasn't difficult one join behind the base of the tower and another at the air box. I put some sealant around where the snorkel joins to the body work as well to help the rubber seal stick better. I think I will add a tube to the air box drain as mentioned earlier in this thread. I used black sikaflex to get all around the air box join I had to use a flexible tube over the nozzle and get the wife to pump while I held it in place. Some of the join can be reached from underneath.
Mike
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/1081.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/1082.jpg

[n plus one]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/1080.jpgI pulled my snorkel off and sealed the joins it wasn't difficult one join behind the base of the tower and another at the air box. I put some sealant around where the snorkel joins to the body work as well to help the rubber seal stick better. I think I will add a tube to the air box drain as mentioned earlier in this thread. I used black sikaflex to get all around the air box join I had to use a flexible tube over the nozzle and get the wife to pump while I held it in place. Some of the join can be reached from underneath.
Mike
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/1081.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/06/1082.jpg

Apologies if you already know, but you do realise that join is probably the least of your worries in terms of having an air tight snorkel system?

[Defender Mike]

I sealed the air box join as well the one where you need a flexabile extension to get around. The lid of the airbox is a good tight fit and I have added rubber grease to the lip of the air cleaner element.

[n plus one]

I sealed the air box join as well the one where you need a flexabile extension to get around. The lid of the airbox is a good tight fit and I have added rubber grease to the lip of the air cleaner element.

Nice work - you know there are three breathers in the system? One in the air filter box mount, one on the bottom of the air filter box where the duct enters and one on the bottom of the duct near the guard air box.

I use rubber grease on the filter seal too - every little bit helps!

[Green Elephant]

+1 for nuggets sealed snorkel kit with Safari snorkel. I even noticed slight improvement in response once I ditched the factory plumbing from the airbox to guard with nuggets flexi pipe :D

[harris1964]

I have a 2012 Defender 90 and Oppposite Lock Rockdale in Sydney recently fitted a snorkel for me. I am fairly sure it is a Safari

[n plus one]

+1 for nuggets sealed snorkel kit with Safari snorkel. I even noticed slight improvement in response once I ditched the factory plumbing from the airbox to guard with nuggets flexi pipe :D

How's your clearance from the alternator mounting bolt?

[Green Elephant]

Nugget providse an offset pipe from the air box for the clearance with the alternator bolt. I ran it for about 1000km with some serious low range work in there and it only just showed a very very minor sign of making contact. Because I am a bit anal with these sort of things, I;ve placed a peice of rubber between the hose and alternator bolt. Im awaiting delivery of a "cap" similar to this - http://cubbiesonline.com.au/products/XBC12B.jpg - so that it looks nice :)

[n plus one]

Nugget providse an offset pipe from the air box for the clearance with the alternator bolt. I ran it for about 1000km with some serious low range work in there and it only just showed a very very minor sign of making contact. Because I am a bit anal with these sort of things, I;ve placed a peice of rubber between the hose and alternator bolt. Im awaiting delivery of a "cap" similar to this - http://cubbiesonline.com.au/products/XBC12B.jpg - so that it looks nice :)

Yeah, mine hasn't done enough work since the mod for me to feel confident yet. I've already got some protective rubber in place - reckon' I might get myself one of those caps too...

[Lagerfan]

I am getting my new 110 done next week at Ritter and they are fitting a Mantec snorkel and I was told that they spend time on sealing this to achieve "waterproofing" status, that's what they say anyway. They are very well aware the Mantec is only a raised air intake so the reason they focusing on better seals.



Hi ProjectDirector, did you get yours done? Happy with the result?

[specwarop]

Does anyone have the part numbers for the Safari or Mantex snorkels, that fit the 2.2L Defender 110?
Are they easy enough to install yourself, or do you need to spend the extra $200 to get someone else to do it?

[tequesta]

The plastic jobby was pretty easy to install, 4 drill holes from memory, and about 30 mins... Just get the right sized drill bits, and a steady hand. Ordered mine from o/seas, but I think you can source them locally as well.
Follow the instructions :wasntme:, and it's very easy.
That said, I have not sealed the unit yet.. That is a job for another day..

[specwarop]

Looking at the Mantec website though, all thats listed for a Puma is the steel unit....

[carlschmid2002]

Whatever Snorkel/RAI you install contact Nugget on this forum and buy one of his kits to seal to air box. If you just bolt on a Snorkel to the outside it won't be sealed inside.

[specwarop]

Yeh both are on my list, provided I can find the right snorkel, for the right price. I am happy to install myself, and willing to buy overseas if I can find a provider that doesnt charge more for freight than the item costs itself...

[tequesta]

Looking at the Mantec website though, all thats listed for a Puma is the steel unit....

here it (http://www.mantec.co.uk/productdetail.cfm'theProductID=3F6184EB-15C5-F4C0-99C9ECF1E47E4E03) is...

[gazcoonar]

Came across this one on ebay. It looks like a mantec unit. Haven't inquired from the seller if it is original. @$229 + free delivery sounds too good to be true.

NEW 4x4 Snorkel KIT Land Rover Defender Puma TD5 300TDI Australian Warranty | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-4x4-Snorkel-Kit-Land-Rover-Defender-Puma-TD5-300TDi-Australian-Warranty-/190847756989?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c6f69aabd&_uhb=1)

[Dopey]

The genuine Mantec snorkel 115-RAIDEF has the "Mantec" name moulded into it,
The one on eBay does not appear to have this feature.
Mike.

[noyakfat]

@$229 + free delivery sounds too good to be true.

NEW 4x4 Snorkel KIT Land Rover Defender Puma TD5 300TDI Australian Warranty | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-4x4-Snorkel-Kit-Land-Rover-Defender-Puma-TD5-300TDi-Australian-Warranty-/190847756989?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c6f69aabd&_uhb=1)

Careful.. you know what they say... if it sounds too good to be true....

[specwarop]

Well LR quoted me $745.45 (+ gst) for their snorkel. So I think its a no brainer in buying something aftermarket...

[BigBlueOne]

Grab a safari snorkel and contact nugget on this forum and order one of his snorkel kits which will make it a fully sealed unit. I did and it is a quality bit of kit and nugget is a nice bloke to deal with.

[specwarop]

Yeh I was acutally looking at the Mantec because it seems cheaper, along with the Nugget kit...

[BigBlueOne]

Good choice, there is a couple of guys on here who swear by mantec. Can't go wrong with either. Good luck !

[KarlB]

The original equipment (ie Land Rover) raised air intake (snorkel if you like) is made for Land Rover by Mantec. They also make the OEM winch bar and a few other bits and pieces.

Cheers
KarlB
:)

[specwarop]

Silly question perhaps, but does the Nugget airbox kit void warranty by any chance?

[BigBlueOne]

no idea. Mine is still under warranty and i installed one.

[turbo6i]

Fitted a Mantec to my new Puma 110.
Call Craig at Ritter. Great to deal with.
I fit mine myself, drilling in 4 places and a Rivnut gun is required. Otherwise they can install for you.
I'm guessing $500 installed.

(Guessing as I didnt get them to install it)

[nugge t]

Silly question perhaps, but does the Nugget airbox kit void warranty by any chance?

Good question. This is the explanation from my dealer regarding fitment of aftermarket accessories in general...

This is a common misunderstanding amongst the general public.

Fitment of an aftermarket accessory to a vehicle does not void the entire warranty.

Warranty is only affected if the failure of a genuine component that would normally be warranted is caused by the failure / fitment of the aftermarket component.

For example – if the sealant used in the air box was not sensor safe and caused failure of the intake system sensors then they would not be warranted.

That doesn’t mean that if a water pump started leaking it wouldn’t be covered under warranty being that it’s a totally unrelated system.

Hope this makes things clearer for you.

[specwarop]

What sealant should be used on the airbox then haha?

[nugge t]

I would recommend a Permatex Ultra Blue Multipurpose RTV Silicon Gasket Maker which is Sensor Safe.

In future I will be supplying a tube with each kit.

[Rickoz]

I would recommend a Permatex Ultra Blue Multipurpose RTV Silicon Gasket Maker which is Sensor Safe.
In future I will be supplying a tube with each kit.
Nugget where are you getting this product from so i can go get some to reduce risk with my kit i got a short time ago, ta.

[nugge t]

It is available at most auto shops but certainly Auto Bahn and Supa Cheap

[specwarop]

Where does everyone source their Mantec snorkels? Just looking, and most UK companies charge 100GBP for postage, and then all the local suppliers charge the typical 50% surcharge.

[ProjectDirector]

Where does everyone source their Mantec snorkels? Just looking, and most UK companies charge 100GBP for postage, and then all the local suppliers charge the typical 50% surcharge.
Try here: MANTEC SNORKEL DEFENDER (http://rova-direct.com.au/mantec-snorkel-defender.html)
or call Ritter Automotive and can get it for you.
Cheers

[specwarop]

On a side note, would these offer any protection at all, compared to the LR supplied side runners?

BA038 DEFENDER SIDESTEPS - Defender (http://rova-direct.com.au/defender/ba038-defender-sidesteps.html)

[n plus one]

On a side note, would these offer any protection at all, compared to the LR supplied side runners?

BA038 DEFENDER SIDESTEPS - Defender (http://rova-direct.com.au/defender/ba038-defender-sidesteps.html)

Yep - a reasonable amount by my reckoning, but likely less than dedicated rock sliders.

[Avago]

Just had a Safari snorkel fitted yesterday from an ARB dealer, this was fitted on the drivers side of a 2013 Defender.