Fitting indicators, which switching?

[cjc_td5]

I intend to fit some turn indicators to my 86" as I restore it to make it a bit safer on the road. I am also looking to get a new wiring loom so may as well get the indicator wiring included while at it.

Does anyone know if the indicator switch has to be mounted on a stalk at the steering column? I was thinking of using a on-off-on toggle switch on the dash with some warning lights as this would be much simpler to wire up. Also are the indicators required to self cancel? The universal steering column turn switches I have seen online do not appear to have a cancelling function?

Cheers,

[gromit]

I intend to fit some turn indicators to my 86" as I restore it to make it a bit safer on the road. I am also looking to get a new wiring loom so may as well get the indicator wiring included while at it.

Does anyone know if the indicator switch has to be mounted on a stalk at the steering column? I was thinking of using a on-off-on toggle switch on the dash with some warning lights as this would be much simpler to wire up. Also are the indicators required to self cancel? The universal steering column turn switches I have seen online do not appear to have a cancelling function?

Cheers,

I'm sure that after a certain year the indicators will have to be self cancelling but that won't apply to your 86".
My Series I has an 'aftermarket' stalk added and it's not self cancelling. I have a Series II that has a toggle switch fitted when indicators were added, as long as there is a warning lamp this should also be OK.
There were a lot of aftermarket stalks available if your not sure about the one you've found online visit the next swapmeet in your area and you should be able to find something.


Colin

[Scouse]

As above, they don't need to cancel as long as you have a warning light visible to the driver.

Check out Holdens in the UK. They have a fair bit of Lucas parts that might suit the period:
Vintage car parts Classic car parts Lucas car parts & Belstaff Jackets from Holden Vintage & Classic in the UK (http://www.holden.co.uk/)

[JDNSW]

My brother fitted blinkers operated by a toggle switch on the dash to his Series 2 in 1963. Shortly after this he was pulled up by a cop who pointed out to him that he had them wired diagonally!

John

[B.S.F.]

Driving a Series L/R with a non-self-cancelling indicator stalk switch is no problem at all, as long as you mount the switch on the left of the steering column.That way you won't have to take your right hand off the steering wheel while you make a turn ,change gears and operate the indicator switch.. I believe a company called "Merit Malta" in Malta (where else) still produces these switches. .W.

[101 Ron]

Hella make exactly the right sort of dashboard direction indicator switch with built in light on the toggle of the switch.
P/N 4206
New steering columb non cancelling switches are advailible for plant equiptment ( I sell them for forklifts for 30 dollars plus GST)
Ashdown ingrams via a local auto electrical shop should be able to help you.
If I remember correctly the early series 2A self cancelling switch worked OK which had a little rubber wheel running on the bottom of the steering wheel hub.

[brendanm]

Be good to know how the indicators would look on the 86 as I am approaching the same delema. I saw on a UK site restored stalks. Morris Minor front indicator lights have lower parkers and indicators at the top of the lense and might suit the front of the wings without doubling up on lights. I was going to investigate putting indicators into the lower section of a D-lamp so as not to drill new holes or have extra lights.

[gromit]

Be good to know how the indicators would look on the 86 as I am approaching the same delema. I saw on a UK site restored stalks. Morris Minor front indicator lights have lower parkers and indicators at the top of the lense and might suit the front of the wings without doubling up on lights. I was going to investigate putting indicators into the lower section of a D-lamp so as not to drill new holes or have extra lights.

My 86" had been fitted with indicators long before I got hold of it. There are some pictures in this thread. http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/159944-1956-series-1-pto-welder-home-made.html

If the wings & tub were untouched I wouldn't be cutting holes in them today.
I ran an Austin Somerset in the UK years ago and it only had trafficators fitted. After a few near misses I made up brackets and mounted indicators off the bumper bolts so as not to cut holes in the bodywork.


Colin

[wrinklearthur]

My brother fitted blinkers operated by a toggle switch on the dash to his Series 2 in 1963. Shortly after this he was pulled up by a cop who pointed out to him that he had them wired diagonally! John

Glad I wasn't the only one that did this, oops! :whistling:
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[cjc_td5]

As above, they don't need to cancel as long as you have a warning light visible to the driver.

Check out Holdens in the UK. They have a fair bit of Lucas parts that might suit the period:
Vintage car parts Classic car parts Lucas car parts & Belstaff Jackets from Holden Vintage & Classic in the UK (http://www.holden.co.uk/)

Thanks Scouse.
Some nice gear at that shop! Could be quite dangerous spending too much time looking there!

Cheers,

[cjc_td5]

Be good to know how the indicators would look on the 86 as I am approaching the same delema. I saw on a UK site restored stalks. Morris Minor front indicator lights have lower parkers and indicators at the top of the lense and might suit the front of the wings without doubling up on lights. I was going to investigate putting indicators into the lower section of a D-lamp so as not to drill new holes or have extra lights.

My 86" has the remains of some surface mounted lights in the lower rear panels, which I can use to mount some indicators without having to drill any new holes. At the front I intend to use the bumper mounting bolts and a bracket and as per Gromits suggestion.

[cjc_td5]

Thanks everyone. It think I'll confirm with my local Dept of Transport before I commit to panel mounting though.

Next job is to source a new wiring loom, as while the existing one could be made servicable with a lot of work, there is no colouring left in the cable sheaths, so each wire has to be traced to work out which is which. The main dilema seems to be supporting an AU business vs sourcing from the UK??

[mfc]

re switch, theres lucas alloy cased switches that mount to the steering colum that turn up on ebay fairly frequently ,im looking at picking up one of those eventualy.....right now im using an old 80,s rrc switch ,it just clamps on the colum {ugly but works}, ive used the choke warning light in the panel wich blinks when the blinkers are on.....

[Lost Landy]

Interesting, i have also decided to bightthe bullet and fit indicators to the my 86" that iam rebuilding.Iam going to use this set up. CHROME UNIVERSAL INDICATOR SWITCH HOTROD RATROD FORD HOLDEN FX FJ | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CHROME-UNIVERSAL-INDICATOR-SWITCH-HOTROD-RATROD-FORD-HOLDEN-FX-FJ-/150988765573?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2327a1b985)
Looks quite period too:D

As for the front blinker lights iam not sure that i want to make an extra hole for the seprate blinker light :( rather instead ill go with the park lamp blinker combanation that was factory fitted to the later series 1 Station Wagons:cool:

[gromit]

Interesting, i have also decided to bightthe bullet and fit indicators to the my 86" that iam rebuilding.Iam going to use this set up. CHROME UNIVERSAL INDICATOR SWITCH HOTROD RATROD FORD HOLDEN FX FJ | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CHROME-UNIVERSAL-INDICATOR-SWITCH-HOTROD-RATROD-FORD-HOLDEN-FX-FJ-/150988765573?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2327a1b985)
Looks quite period too:D


Looks a bit 'bling' for an 86" :D

The one fitted to mine is more like this one http://www.holden.co.uk/displayproduct.asp'sg=&pgCode=020&sgName=Search&pgName=Switches&agCode=0527&agName=Column+Mounted+Switches&pCode=020.236



Colin

[gromit]

The indicators in my 1960 Series II are on a toggle switch.


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1352.jpg




Colin

[dennisS1]

I have purchased several looms from the Au companies and would again, both supply good product. But you need to state exactly what you want and remember to explain which dip switch setup you have. Ask and make sure you end up with wax cotton not poxy plastic covered wire. They will install the extra indicator wiring into the looms.
If indicators where installed from Rover a separate loom was used and in your case a rotary type “bakerlight” switch was placed on a plate mounted just to the right of the existing instruments.
My 107 wagon had factory indicators fitted no inside indicator light, so technically I would say you don’t need one but I would and have fitted one, One of the indicators like the oil light look right and with a bit of modern magic ie: 2 diodes can be made to indicate left or right.
Dennis

[andy_d110]

I have purchased several looms from the Au companies and would again, both supply good product. But you need to state exactly what you want and remember to explain which dip switch setup you have. Ask and make sure you end up with wax cotton not poxy plastic covered wire. They will install the extra indicator wiring into the looms.
If indicators where installed from Rover a separate loom was used and in your case a rotary type “bakerlight” switch was placed on a plate mounted just to the right of the existing instruments.
My 107 wagon had factory indicators fitted no inside indicator light, so technically I would say you don’t need one but I would and have fitted one, One of the indicators like the oil light look right and with a bit of modern magic ie: 2 diodes can be made to indicate left or right.
Dennis

You can also wire the globe in parallel with the indicator switch feed from the flasher unit.

[LR1953]

Hi Guys, I have a '53 shortie and I used Lucas lamps out of an early 60's Rover 105. No difference in external appearance but made to take a standard stop/tail lamp globe(BA 15 D). Tail becomes side, and stop becomes turn. It's not amber, but should pass club rego. requirements. From memory the column-mounted switch came from a Morris 850.