Cargo barrier: LR/Milford/Haymen?

[SimmAus]

Hi Guys

Just looking for some quick advise from those who have fitted a cargo barrier to a D4.
From some quick trawling through this forum, I can see that they are important from a safety aspect, but couldn't see a "preferred" option (if it can exist :-). )
I don't have shelves, but would prefer to use the cargo blind every now and then. I would also like to be able to instal/remove in 10-15mins to keep the 7 seat functionality.

On a side note, I'd like to add my voice to the admirations these vehicles get on this (ok, somewhat biased? :-) forum). I've never really been a "car person" but this vehicle has blown my mind on and off road, and if some other manufacturer hadn't stole it I'd be screaming "love that car"...

So any advice on the cargo barrier would be appreciated.

Cheers

[Disco4pilot]

Hey

I just installed a Milford in my d4. I must admit I didn't research the difference between the LR or Haymen brands so can't comment on the differences. I've always had Milfords in my cars so didn't see the need to change.

I don't have the blind so don't know if it would work with it.

I installed the barrier myself. I was quoted $200 for installation. Nothing particularly complicated about installing it yourself. You do need a pretty good quality hole saw to cut through the panel above the rear door and it can be a bit fiddly. Took about 1.30-2hrs. The lower mounts is simply undoing the tie down points and putting on a new bracket and then reinstalling. The upper mounts go all the way back to the panel above the back door. You have to remove the trim and drill holes in the metal work and then install a bracket.

Once the mounts are in it is less than 5mins to remove or install the barrier. There are just 4 bolts that you finger tighten. On my old car (GQ) I replaced these with bolts as I was planning on keeping it in all the time. In the disco I only fit the barrier when needed so I can use the third row seats so they work well.

[DiscoWeb]

I have the Milford barrier for no particular reason.

The luggage blind can be used.

As noted 5 min to put in or take out so really simply and does not impede the use of the rear seats when removed.

I have thought about having some of the mesh below the seat line removed so I could access things in the rear I the middle seat was folded forward but otherwise a very good investment.

I think the type depends on what they stock at the place you buy.

I had mine done at Opposite Lock in Rockdale and they stocked milford.

[scarry]

Got the milford in mine.I had a bit of a look around and worked out the milford was easier to get in and out.

Ours stays in almost all of the time as we don't use the rear seats at all.

Had it installed,but can't remember the prices.

I always have a cargo barrier,not just because of the safety aspect,but it is also good to pack against.

And keep the dogs where they should be.

[jon3950]

I have the Hayman Reese (bought from LR) in my 3. Have always had Milfords before that, but wasn't available when I bought mine.

Fitting sounds identical to Milford. I would have either of them based on whichever is more convenient to buy. Fitting is pretty simple, the Hayman Reese came with the hole saws needed.

Can't fit the blind with barrier in place.

Has anyone found a neat solution to plugging the holes in the roof trim when the barrier is not fitted?

Cheers,
Jon

[Graeme]

Can the barriers be fitted behind the front seats when the 2nd row seats are flat?

[SimmAus]

Thanks for the comments.

From the limited investigation I have done, the Milford and Hayman can only fit behind the second row seats. Not too sure about the LR original one, (in part the reason for my original post), trying to think of all possibilities....

[irondoc]

i got the autosafe one for my D4. you don't have to drill any holes in the trim, so if you ever remove it and sell the car, there is nothing to show a barrier was installed - i think this is a big advantage over the other ones.

it is relatively easy to fit and you only have to drill out some holes that are already in the rear roof crossmember. the most fiddly bit is getting the nuts in behind the crossmember - they come with wire extensions for doing this.

you can use the cargo blind, but it is a tight fit.

putting in and taking out takes 2 minutes

cheers
lucas

[discojools]

I'd like to know if thereis a barrier that fits behind front seats.

[irondoc]

i think autosafe used to do one that goes behind the front seats, but not anymore.

they are good guys to talk to and can probably make a special one up - they said they can do one-offs for special orders

cheers
lucas

[oldsalt]

I've got the "autosafe" cargo barrier in my D3 - easy to remove in just a few minutes if you want to - great bit of kit.
cheers

[sniegy]

@ Discojools & Graeme.

There is no barrier that works 2 up so to speak or mounted behind the FRONT seats only.
The air bag curtains can interfere with the barrier when mounted here. Therefore the official line was barriers not to be made/mounted in this position...

Insurance &/or Safety reasons.

Cheers

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[AnD3rew]

Don't know if its true, but I was told the only way you can legally install the barrier behind the front row seats is to remove the second. Row seats. ( not sure why it would be legal to leave the third row in though if this were true. But there is also the curtain airbag issues.

I have heard of someone adapting an auto safe barrier by using extension straps to do this but I didn't actually see the result myself.

I have an Autosafe one and it is fine.

[jon3950]

So how do the Autosafe top mounts work, without drilling holes in the trim?

[irondoc]

you take off the rearmost/uppermost trim - there is a gap between it and the roof. you drill out two of the existing holes, then screw an extension metal strap in that pokes out between the rearmost trim and the roof trim. does this make sense?

you then screw the two metal extension straps onto the metal straps on the cargo barrier

i can send you the fitting instructions if you want

cheers
lucas

[jon3950]

Thanks Lucas, makes perfect sense. So it mounts to the same spot as the others but goes over the trim instead of through it. Sounds neat, think I'll look at this option next time.

Cheers,
Jon

[phl]

Don't know if its true, but I was told the only way you can legally install the barrier behind the front row seats is to remove the second. Row seats.

I don't think that's right, as the Milford barrier for the Pajero goes behing the front seats (it's 2 positions).

Might be the airbag that's the problem.

[AnD3rew]

I don't think that's right, as the Milford barrier for the Pajero goes behing the front seats (it's 2 positions).

Might be the airbag that's the problem.

If it is, it must be new because I certainly had a dual position Milford in my D1

[jon3950]

If it is, it must be new because I certainly had a dual position Milford in my D1

Its the curtain airbags that are the problem, which the D1 didn't have.

Cheers,
Jon

[SimmAus]

Had the Milford Barrier installed in my D4.

Only fits behind second row seats, can use it with cargo blind (although I had to flatten out the top two supports a bit to push the barrier further towards second row seats).
Top two supports fit quite flush with roof, holes are drilled in rear trim. Installer recommended to replace bolts in holes when not in use to look slightly better than 2 open holes in trim.

All up, happy, safer camper

[JamesAdelaide]

I know this is an old thread, but could anyone by chance send me a couple pics of their autosafe cargo barrier?

Cheers
James

[phl]

I know this is an old thread, but could anyone by chance send me a couple pics of their autosafe cargo barrier?


This has a bladder tank installed onto the barrier (bladder tanks NOT recommended); you can see the securing struts on top as well as on either side below the bladder onto the front factory tie down points.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/03/857.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/app/showphoto.php/photo/23641/title/flexitank-bladder-installation/cat/1309)

[loanrangie]

I just picked up a Hayman Reese CB from Gumtree in Sydney, $22 for delivery to Melbourne via E-go and $100 for the barrier [bigsmile1].
Just got to find the instructions but does look similar to the Milford CB which i do have the instructions for.

[loanrangie]

So i am missing a couple of fittings that are not removable once fitted, emailed HR and got a reply saying they only sell complete and separate parts not available :2up:.
Not a big issue just means i need to make a couple of threaded fittings.

[p38arover]

You aren't the first and won't be the last to be caught like that.

As an aside, I saw a recent John Cadogen video saying cargo barriers are unnecessary. Search under Youtube Autoexpert. I won't link to it as it's probably got bad language in it.

He's right - in most cases. However, for an off-roader I think it's a different issue.

[loanrangie]

Milford parts are readily available, I would not want to hit something fully loaded without a barrier so his view is pretty stupid.

[loanrangie]

Some scrap metal, 2 nuts and 10 mins later we have a couple of mounting brackets, all fitted up nicely except the templates for the holes in the rear plastic trim were out by about 5mm.

[DiscoJeffster]

You aren't the first and won't be the last to be caught like that.

As an aside, I saw a recent John Cadogen video saying cargo barriers are unnecessary. Search under Youtube Autoexpert. I won't link to it as it's probably got bad language in it.

He's right - in most cases. However, for an off-roader I think it's a different issue.

A small object weighing 2kg in a 30g deceleration accident becomes a 60kg article. If you’re unlikely enough that it flies into your head, you’re going to be in a world of death. Admittedly a variety of circumstances conspire for that object at floor height to become airborne, but the risk is real.

I don’t have one, but I also try not carry loose object of any significant weight in the rear, preferring to store elsewhere in the camper or in the roof box. I put all the bedding and soft bags in the rear when we travel.

[shanegtr]

You aren't the first and won't be the last to be caught like that.

As an aside, I saw a recent John Cadogen video saying cargo barriers are unnecessary. Search under Youtube Autoexpert. I won't link to it as it's probably got bad language in it.

He's right - in most cases. However, for an off-roader I think it's a different issue.
For that average hatchback carting the shopping he's most likely correct. For a 4wd with gear stacked to the ceiling thats another matter. I dont have one, it would probably take up what little storage space I have behind the 3rd row of seats anyway :)