Safari Snokel

[Canaussie]

Just got a great deal on a snorkel for D4 delivered to my door from the UK for $377. Not bad considering Arb sells them for 550!

Cheers

[~Rich~]

Crazy isn't it!

[djambalawa]

You going to fit it yourself?. sounds scary cutting into a D4 8'o

[Canaussie]

Ya gonna install myself, the instructions that come with it are her comprehensive, over than the removal of a pillar trim and inside fender plastic. No bi holes to cut just some small ones using a step drill and a little trim on the inside of fender and all done. From what I've heard drilling not the a pillar is the hardest part literally as that steel is very strong due to its structural rigidity.

Australian retailers need to get their act together as online buying is so easy and inexpensive!

[mervwho]

Australian retailers need to get their act together as online buying is so easy and inexpensive!

Had mine done at Opp Lock Mitcham fully fitted for $650 why would you bother doing it yourself. i watched them do it and saw just how difficult it was to drill the pillar. All the best.

Merv

[Tombie]

Had mine done at Opp Lock Mitcham fully fitted for $650 why would you bother doing it yourself. i watched them do it and saw just how difficult it was to drill the pillar. All the best.

Merv

Yes, for goodness sake...

Get - Cutting fluid or paste "Treflex" is the Dogs B.....

And at least 3 - Cobalt HSS drill bits... Make sure you pay for quality..

[jonesy63]

As well as good bits and cutting wheels (for inner arch), get some bandaids ready too - unless you have noodle-sized forearms! :wasntme:

[lrdef110]

Yes best of luck with drilling the holes in the pillars. You will appreciate the strength/integrity of the Disco cabin after you are done.

Cheers

[Canaussie]

Had mine done at Opp Lock Mitcham fully fitted for $650 why would you bother doing it yourself. i watched them do it and saw just how difficult it was to drill the pillar. All the best.

Merv

I guess you may be living in a metro area possibly! We're I live in central Qld, yes a mining town and **** here is overpriced. Why bother doing it myself, because I can and I have the right tools for the job, also the self satisfaction!

Cheers

[Eevo]

was much cheaper getting mine from the UK.

sad given that it was made in melb

[Canaussie]

was much cheaper getting mine from the UK.

sad given that it was made in melb

Ya it is really sad. Just because we have a great economy here doesn't mean they have to fleece us, only smart buyers will win in the end.

[Canaussie]

Yaaaaa, snorkel has arrived

[ADMIRAL]

'Australian retailers need to get their act together as online buying is so easy and inexpensive!"

Don't be too hasty to judge.

The retailer has inventory to touch and compare, for this he has to have high profile premises, insure the premises and the inventory and the risk ( public liability ) , pay for signage, probably a website, computers, phones faxes, delivery vehicle's, and then there is the staff. Workers comp, payroll tax, super ( going up shortly ) OH & S training, wages and holiday pay..............I,m sure I've missed a few dozen others.

Without the retail face there would be no online market. The product has to get a name and establish itself. Safari snorkels did not get established as the international leader for snorkels from online sales.

[Eevo]

Without the retail face there would be no online market. The product has to get a name and establish itself. Safari snorkels did not get established as the international leader for snorkels from online sales.

out of the last 10 things ive ordered online, i dont think any of them i saw in stores.

the only things i get in retail stores are bulky/heavy items
food
and some clothes

[geoz]

'Australian retailers need to get their act together as online buying is so easy and inexpensive!"

Don't be too hasty to judge.

The retailer has inventory to touch and compare, for this he has to have high profile premises, insure the premises and the inventory and the risk ( public liability ) , pay for signage, probably a website, computers, phones faxes, delivery vehicle's, and then there is the staff. Workers comp, payroll tax, super ( going up shortly ) OH & S training, wages and holiday pay..............I,m sure I've missed a few dozen others.

Without the retail face there would be no online market. The product has to get a name and establish itself. Safari snorkels did not get established as the international leader for snorkels from online sales.

Appreciate your comment, but retailers in the UK, the US ... you name it has similar cost. I'm still struggling to see the difference, particularly since I know some of these are actual shops selling their stuffs on the internet, too, not pure online players.

I still strongly believe we are being ripped off here, and I will continue to vote with my money.

[Canaussie]

'Australian retailers need to get their act together as online buying is so easy and inexpensive!"

Don't be too hasty to judge.

The retailer has inventory to touch and compare, for this he has to have high profile premises, insure the premises and the inventory and the risk ( public liability ) , pay for signage, probably a website, computers, phones faxes, delivery vehicle's, and then there is the staff. Workers comp, payroll tax, super ( going up shortly ) OH & S training, wages and holiday pay..............I,m sure I've missed a few dozen others.

Without the retail face there would be no online market. The product has to get a name and establish itself. Safari snorkels did not get established as the international leader for snorkels from online sales.

I agree with your statement as well. The store I purchased from in the UK is a legit store that would have all those costs asscioated with running a day to day business. I am all in favor of supporting local businesses as well , but I'm also a smart consumer. Safari has established them selves in the 4x4 market for some time so the need to have a touchy feely product is overplayed. If I went into a retailer to look or touch a product I would happily pay maybe 10% more to buy there and then to what I could buy online, if the retailer does not want to match or come close on price and I'm not in a hurry to get the product ill wait. Mind you ordering from the UK the said snorkel only took 5 days.

The same goes for tyres in this country as well! Overpriced, this is why online retailers like Tirerack are so successful!

M2cents

[ADMIRAL]

Don't get me wrong, I am the first to admit to buying the odd product online. The point I was making, is that these household brands are only that by establishing a strong retail presence in the first place. That costs money, advertising and the original R & D. We cannot expect a brand to be available under a full retail structure as described, to match an online order setup for price. The difference is the retailer is still there for backup when required.

Tyres are another example. The tyres are purchased on line, and fitted by local tyre retailers, using their expertise, equipment etc. Ultimately we can expect they will start to charge outrageous amounts for this, as they are losing their market, but are still expected to service the online customer.

[Tombie]

Ever been an exporter? Tax breaks, Export concessions... And volume orders... All help keep prices lower to export countries...

Then you buy it -VAT from the UK... So you essentially purchased a "Duty Free" snorkel...

If the global status quo moves back to pre-GFC type levels... That Snorkel will end up the same price or more from the UK...

[Tombie]

Tyres are another example. The tyres are purchased on line, and fitted by local tyre retailers, using their expertise, equipment etc. Ultimately we can expect they will start to charge outrageous amounts for this, as they are losing their market, but are still expected to service the online customer.

Exactly...

Tyre profit margin ~ $15.00
Fitting margin (hourly rate + cost of building + cost of machines + Supply charges eg Power) / Time taken to fit... ?;)?

Local tyre shop charges $15.00each for strip, swap and refit for local lads (new rims).. Not fitted on vehicle.

Charges $25.00 for above with balancing.


So suggesting customer comes in for 4 tyres..
$15.00 x 4 = $60.00 profit on tyres
$25.00 x 4 = $100.00 for fitting (excludes costs)
$5.00 x 4 = $20.00 (extra for time to R&R on vehicle)

Total (excluding tyre cost) incoming $180.00
less Plant, Equip, Power and Wages for 1 hour $40.00 all up.
less GST
less Company Tax
less Payroll Tax
less cost of holding common stock size
less freight to get tyres to shop for fitting

And suddenly he's lucky to make $50-70 on a set of 4 tyres Fitted and Balanced.

So now, he has customers coming in off the street with their own tyres...

He still has most costs - equipment, wages, shop etc... except freight and stock holding and hasn't made a cent on the tyres...

Now he gets...
$100.00 (strip, fit new tyres, balance and refit) for 4 tyres
minus his running costs (which didnt get cheaper, and in fact, because he's selling less domestic tyres his volume pricing discount structure gets worse) and the guys screwed! :twisted:

Now this bloke like every Aussie family man wants a nice income and a new LR for his family to go away in...

And you lot are depriving him of that :angel:

[Eevo]

its not the customers fault his price is too high.

[sheerluck]

its not the customers fault his price is too high.

And quite often it's not his fault either. The wholesalers and manufacturers set the price that a product is sold for into a particular country.

I remember having a conversation with the parts manager of the Merc dealer here in Brissie about a crank sensor that I needed. Price from the US was $40 delivered, which was $60 less than his cost price. His retail price was $153.

[Eevo]

And quite often it's not his fault either. The wholesalers and manufacturers set the price that a product is sold for into a particular country.


i do understand that. however as a customer i deal with the retailer, not the wholesaler or manufacturer.

as a customer, if the quality is the same, i'll go for the lowest price.
its why i buy my tyres online as its $50+ cheaper per corner

[Tombie]

i do understand that. however as a customer i deal with the retailer, not the wholesaler or manufacturer.

as a customer, if the quality is the same, i'll go for the lowest price.
its why i buy my tyres online as its $50+ cheaper per corner

But the price your kids will pay in the future is MUCH higher...

[Tombie]

i do understand that. however as a customer i deal with the retailer, not the wholesaler or manufacturer.

as a customer, if the quality is the same, i'll go for the lowest price.
its why i buy my tyres online as its $50+ cheaper per corner

You forget - In the USA for example... The economy of NYC is bigger than that of AUS total.

They sell more... Levi Jeans in a month then Australians buy in a year.
More sales, lower margins, same profit per month.

Now back to goods in this thread...

In the UK and USA wages are lower... A LOT lower...
So are overheads for business...
All that lovely OH&S, Workcover, PLI all adds up for Aussie businesses.
We also have Medicare (and its Levy) - something they really dont have in the USA.
Combined with some of the highest Power prices in the world, very high wages (avg) and our costs here are much higher.

If YOU (and all of us) wanted to live on a wage like the average American gets (shop worker, sales staff, Jiffy lube attendant, mechanic, tyre fitter) then costs would be far cheaper to businesses and we could pass them on..

Dont forget,Americans are struggling to pay for fuel for their vehicles at the moment and yet its less than we pay here.... Its really biting into the average American Workers salary.

So that wonderful $300.00 USD tyre is quite a hit in their back pocket!



Keep sending all the money overseas and we will soon follow the USA.
They were a pretty self sufficient nation with a strong manufacturing base - it all went offshore.
Now they have large pockets of unemployment, huge national debt, rocketing costs...

If you cant see what streaming $$$ overseas will do to our economy in very short succession then I suggest a bit of research...

May I ask what type of industry you work in?

[Eevo]

Keep sending all the money overseas and we will soon follow the USA.
May I ask what type of industry you work in?

im buying from an aussie online retailer. the money would go to korea where the tyre is made
the money doesnt go to the us.

i work in IT/Telco

[Eevo]

But the price your kids will pay in the future is MUCH higher...

we will adapt, or we'll die out.

business needs to adapt or it will find itself obsolete and without customers.

why should i reward the business who is inefficient and has the highest prices?

[Tombie]

we will adapt, or we'll die out.

business needs to adapt or it will find itself obsolete and without customers.

why should i reward the business who is inefficient and has the highest prices?

Cmon... Look at the industry you play in - Not YOU personally...

IT/IS/Telco

We are one nation who charge for domestic calls - many dont
We charge an overpriced sum for calls etc...
Wireless data plans here are point blank robbery
Infrastructure around Aus is below par...

Or... the IT/Tech support side.. Scenario:

Software gets installed onto hardware...
But it has bugs etc, that need patching (because a glitch was found by the programmers) - OK that's acceptable.
But... Slugging hourly rates to do the patching - Robbery!

Would you go to the dealer for a service, after he puts your car back together he creates a glitch and he knows how to fix it... Would you be willing to pay money again to have it resolved? No...

And unless you're a call centre operator - MCSE etc get quite a reasonable hourly rate.


Me, I work in Mining - I'm away from my family 60% of the year.
I work in the middle of nowhere.
I get paid a decent salary + remote allowance + LAFH allowance plus a few other little bits and bobs (on call allowances etc).

Considering how my family life has changed I am only earning what I get as a 'compensation' for the life I have to live to work here.

People rag on what I earn but they go home each night to their wife, children, friends etc.. I got to the Wet Mess, have a Scotch, eat dinner, try to get enthused to go to the Gym and then by 9pm collapse into my cot ready for a new day tomorrow.

I then see my family for 6 days and then back for another run...

But I get paid well, and setting up for later life is the current 5 year game. I still enjoy my job, my life and love my family... We don't struggle to get what we want most of the time. And we try to buy local, then state, then interstate before going international - because it means someone else in Aus gets to enjoy something in life or have a job just that little bit longer.


Why does a Filipino answer the phone when I call Telstra?
Because they can pay them a LOT less to do what they did in Australia.
Because of that 5 Australians don't have a job for every day.

Why does Optus charge what they do here, provide poor coverage and yet, their parent company (Singtel) provide free local (domestic) calls for Singaporeans?

Why does a decent Internet plan (and decent speeds) elude Australians and yet we pay so bloody much for the service?

None of these companies are adapting - they are fleecing!
Why because the market is trapped - its a captive audience who cant really get away from it.

Yet the businesses you are targeting, make very little money per sale..


Here is the basics of an Aussie tyre retailer:
The Australian business has these costs to bear.
1. GST. No I am not Jerry Harvey.
2 Lease cost of their premises. Much lower in the states.
3.Wages. $9 an hour over there and this multiplies for every bit of handling.
4. Floor stock. They import and have a very large stock of X sitting there waiting to be sold.
5. They wear the warranty, it still costs them even though the supplier pays for the defects.
6. Insurance is much higher than in the states.
7. With labour cost comes workers comp. Not cheap.
8. Insurance. If your vehicle is damaged they pickup the tab.
9. Council rates and charges.
10. EPA charges.

Now a quick search (and a couple of calls) shows tyre fitters around SA getting $19-$25 per hour.

Here is what goes on in the USA:
The only State paying around $9 per hour is New York (http://www.exploroz.com/Places/77896/WA/York_.aspx)and one or possibly two other north eastern states.
In most states the workers be be getting around $7 with a few as low as $6.15.
One weeks annual leave, 6 public holidays and no Superannuation.

If you want your kids to bearing this sort of wage (they pay more than this at Maccas in Australia) And to only get the benefits above.
Then that is HOW we as people will have to adapt.

Everyone wants pay rises, huge $$/hr rates etc.. And then expects prices and costs to be low.

[Eevo]

both wireless data plans and infrastructure are world class. except for vodaphone, lol

patching/upgrades costs money, im not sure what your point is here
if you have a support contract with the vendor, they fix for free.
if its out of contract, you will pay through the nose.



im not sure what your talking about with call centre and MCSE.




regarding your job and circumstances, thats your choice.


you talk about mobile data cost being too high, but you complain about overseas call centres which reduce the cost of services. if you want to speak to an australian, your service cost will go up.


i have a top notch internet plan and i dont think i pay too much.


if they cant adapt to conditions they will die out.
its simple, as a customer, i want the lowest price.
why would i reward the lazy business that instead of modernising and being efficient has the highest prices?




do i want the next generation to have this kind of wage?
if australia wants to compete on a world scale, wages probably will have to come down.
our high wages make us uncompetitive in the world


i have a high wage, by making sure i am the best at what i do so i can compete. to do that i need to be efficient, knowledgeable and flexible... and by learning to spell, haha

many australian companies have crap prices, crap service, crap knowledge, crap products, restrictions on sale, etc
so why should i buy from them?

[chuck]

I do not think it is the end of the supply chain or point of sale that is reaping the big reward.
I would rather pay Australian prices and live a far better standard of life than pay reduced prices & have a reduced standard of living.
Of course there are exceptions.
I watched a show on TV the other day regarding the state of play in the US for the normal worker - absolutely depressing.
The mining boom is good for me because they are indirectly maintaining wages & conditions in my home location.
Ironically Internet trading is driving business in my sector of industry with 4 companies lined up to buy my employer out (3+ Billion).

Another irony is that the telcos are probably the worst at providing service.

Cheers

[discotwinturbo]

My sister sells tyres in NSW. Cooper LTZ 285/60-18.....before expenses she makes $250 per tyre.
My local guy when I told him the price of others charging close to $510 each in WA, he openly said he still makes $100 per tyre gross at $360 each fitted, and makes a comfortable living from this.
Lots of fleecing and gouging in Australia when it comes to tyres and man other things.....which is the way it will be.

Brett.....

[Canaussie]

My sister sells tyres in NSW. Cooper LTZ 285/60-18.....before expenses she makes $250 per tyre.
My local guy when I told him the price of others charging close to $510 each in WA, he openly said he still makes $100 per tyre gross at $360 each fitted, and makes a comfortable living from this.
Lots of fleecing and gouging in Australia when it comes to tyres and man other things.....which is the way it will be.

Brett.....

What does she sell them for retail?

I'm in need of 5 tyres for my cape trip this year, if the price is right I'm buying!!

[discotwinturbo]

What does she sell them for retail?

I'm in need of 5 tyres for my cape trip this year, if the price is right I'm buying!!

Too much mate....she sells them for $510 each in nsw....rip off! But everyone I rang here in WA was between $475 and $510 too, except for one block at $360.

Brett....

[Canaussie]

Wow that's crazy.......:-o

[~Rich~]

I paid $400 each last May for them.

[time2]

What does she sell them for retail?

I'm in need of 5 tyres for my cape trip this year, if the price is right I'm buying!!

You can buy them here for $250ea... Probably parallel imports but they would come from the same factory...


285/60/18 2856018 120S COOPER LTZ - Made in U.S.A | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/285-60-18-2856018-120S-COOPER-LTZ-Made-in-U-S-A-/261169752133?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cceee2845)

[discotwinturbo]

You can buy them here for $250ea... Probably parallel imports but they would come from the same factory...

285/60/18 2856018 120S COOPER LTZ - Made in U.S.A | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/285-60-18-2856018-120S-COOPER-LTZ-Made-in-U-S-A-/261169752133?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cceee2845)

Someone should snap these up.....if I was in NSW I would grab them for future spares.

Brett.....

[djambalawa]

Just for interest ARB are charging $915 for a fitted snorkel in Darwin for a 3l D4... although they took a little off for me buy its still gonna cost $870..

[alpick]

and then the darwin arb employees spend their money in the local community and keep it all going around the loop

if you bought the uk snorkel and fitted it yourself there would be no money going around the loop on darwin. no one to buy your stuff or with money to employ you .

who gives customers the money to buy YOUR STUFF, you do indirectly!

Oz might be expensive but so are you compared to world labour rates.

I"m with tombie on this

[Canaussie]

and then the darwin arb employees spend their money in the local community and keep it all going around the loop

if you bought the uk snorkel and fitted it yourself there would be no money going around the loop on darwin. no one to buy your stuff or with money to employ you .

who gives customers the money to buy YOUR STUFF, you do indirectly!

Oz might be expensive but so are you compared to world labour rates.

I"m with tombie on this

I understand this logic very much as I used to work for a small business in a small and had to compete with a large city only an hour away when I lived in Canada. We would match prices and offer superior customer service, in doing this our customers were very happy as the got a great deal and didn't have to drive to the city to get here product or have it looked after. One of the biggest problems I find letting down businesses in Australia is the lack of customer service. I would love to buy local considering they would match prices within reason, but the businesses don't care anymore about there customer base. I think it's a vicious circle. At the end of the day I can say most customers want the top product at the bet price with the best customer service.

[Canaussie]

On another note to Tombie.

I believe our wages are gonna have to come down, I to I'm in the mining industry and work for one of the big players. I can't believe what they pay us for what we do. I'm not complaining by jeez it's getting outta hand, I just don't see how this will ever happen or how they could accomplish it. Doing this would mean everything we buy would also have to come down, in glad m not an economist :-)

[chuck]

One of the things you have to keep in context with mining jobs & their wages is the amount of hours you do.

We recently had an excavator operator return to Melbourne to work after a family member became ill.

His hourly rate in Melbourne is higher than in the mines however he does a 56 hour week rather than an 84 hour week.

This also compares to my role as a safety professional my hourly rate is similar but I do not do 72 - 84 hours a week & I am home every afternoon.

Cheers

[Tombie]

One of the things you have to keep in context with mining jobs & their wages is the amount of hours you do.

We recently had an excavator operator return to Melbourne to work after a family member became ill.

His hourly rate in Melbourne is higher than in the mines however he does a 56 hour week rather than an 84 hour week.

This also compares to my role as a safety professional my hourly rate is similar but I do not do 72 - 84 hours a week & I am home every afternoon.

Cheers

Well you're both worse off then... :D

I work a 96 hour fortnight so only 48 hours a week :p

And only "go to work" twice a month - Yeah I know just playing!
Really though - I go to work 16 times a month as opposed to 20 times a month for the average Day worker.

I travel in their time and have 6 days off in a row (which actually are more tiring than the days working but I digress...)

And the quality of the time spent at home is far greater than it ever was when working local (which was also 8 on 6 off but only 80 hr fortnights)

When you take travel in cities, work days, travel home each night..
Many people are pulling far more hours than a mining worker..

My Capital city job was 9->11 hours a day (usually just over 10) with a Peak Inbound and late depart. I would spend 90 minutes to go to work and 60 minutes to get home (assuming no delays)
I'd get up an hour before leaving to have a bite to eat, shower, dressed etc...

Total time: 13 hours per day X 5 = 65 hours dedicated to work


BTW: For the record, and to be fair. I don't have a young family and my wife is a Shift Foreman / Process Technician on Shift work.
So We both have different roster patterns and have been for 7 years.
But our quality of life is far better than many.

[chuck]

Tombie

Dont worry I have been tempted.

Some contract role discussed recently good hourly rate although expectations are 12 hour day +prep time for prestarts & toolboxes.

Trouble is I don't like the heat that much especially the tropical stuff.

Spent 18 months in Townsville.

Spent 6 months in Bourke which while hot was cool at night & humidity was low.

Cheers

[Tombie]

Not too hot here... Only had a month at 40+

Usually sits 37-38 at the moment.

But 2-4% humidity makes it ok.

[Canaussie]

Yes same here in Central Qld. January was a hot month, but it has started to cool a bit which is a nice change! Also we have very low humidity to!

Cheers

[geoz]

You forget - In the USA for example... The economy of NYC is bigger than that of AUS total.

They sell more... Levi Jeans in a month then Australians buy in a year.
More sales, lower margins, same profit per month.

Now back to goods in this thread...

In the UK and USA wages are lower... A LOT lower...
So are overheads for business...
All that lovely OH&S, Workcover, PLI all adds up for Aussie businesses.
We also have Medicare (and its Levy) - something they really dont have in the USA.
Combined with some of the highest Power prices in the world, very high wages (avg) and our costs here are much higher.

If YOU (and all of us) wanted to live on a wage like the average American gets (shop worker, sales staff, Jiffy lube attendant, mechanic, tyre fitter) then costs would be far cheaper to businesses and we could pass them on..

Dont forget,Americans are struggling to pay for fuel for their vehicles at the moment and yet its less than we pay here.... Its really biting into the average American Workers salary.

So that wonderful $300.00 USD tyre is quite a hit in their back pocket!



Keep sending all the money overseas and we will soon follow the USA.
They were a pretty self sufficient nation with a strong manufacturing base - it all went offshore.
Now they have large pockets of unemployment, huge national debt, rocketing costs...

If you cant see what streaming $$$ overseas will do to our economy in very short succession then I suggest a bit of research...

May I ask what type of industry you work in?

to that point: I spoke to a few guys I was riding with on the weekend about sourcing spares from the states. one of them called the local dealer prior to ordering what he would quote for a piece of kit actually made in Melbourne. Turns out the part can be bought from the states (much) cheaper than the local dealer can source it.

in my view that has nothing to do with local wages etc, that is a few distributors being stupid and trying to rip us off because they got away with it for a long time. i have no sympathy for these guys.

in fact i'm doing the only thing an informed consumer can do which is taking my dollar elsewhere.

btw there is now a senate inquiry (which will no doubt fail to achieve anything) into prices fro technology. seems you pay >50% more on itunes for music delivered electronically - and that has nothing to do with local wages. in my view just a sympthom of the same ripoff.

end of rant.

[First LR]

I have just bought a safari snorkel and on our first holiday trip (straight after purchase), I noticed what appears to be excessive air intake noise.

Didnt notice any prior to install, so I was wondering if others have had similar and whether I should take back to installers.

Previously I have owned a petrol Prado (with snorkel) and dont remember any noticiable noise.

Any comments or advise would be welcome.

[HarryO]

Depends what you call excessive - but yes I did notice an increase in noise. I also noticed that my acceleration was a lot more sluggish (mine is a petrol D3)

[CSBrisie]

My D4 with LR RAI was always noisy as you accelerated- quite a "whooshing" (air intake) noise!

[First LR]

I am actually getting rather used to the "whooshing" but my other half isnt as excited about it :(

I guess its all part of the new experience and I certainly cant complain about anything else in the car's performance

[xoph44]

Just finished fitting one last week. Went pretty smoothly and was an enjoyable project.
Only needed one cobalt drill for the A pillar but it was indeed hard and cutting paste was useful - the inboard 2 holes were much harder than the outside? Double check the template and the bracket - mine didn't quite match!

Also double check the template for the cut out on the inside fender - mine suggested far more material removal than necessary for the plastic insert supplied - almost chopped off too much with the Dremel. Like my old man always said - measure twice, cut once.

Good Luck and enjoy

Chris

[Goenin]

I have ordered a safari from ARB. It's there waiting but my 130 is in Romsey. ;-(
I've fitted 2 hilux snorkels. Scary cutting int the guard. Both no issues.
I wasn't expecting cutting any part of the defender.
It looked as if they just bolt on. So am I in for a surprise? Surprises usually means challenge which I love.
Don't suppose you took a pic? What ever I do on me defender ill be taking pics. Maybe it will help someone.

[RoverLander]

I would be interested to know what people do with the drain hole at the bottom of the air filter box.


Do you seal it so no water can possibly get back up into the air filter box or do you leave it as standard so that if water does get in through the snorkel while driving in heavy rain it can drain out?


Peter

[discotwinturbo]

I would be interested to know what people do with the drain hole at the bottom of the air filter box. Do you seal it so no water can possibly get back up into the air filter box or do you leave it as standard so that if water does get in through the snorkel while driving in heavy rain it can drain out? Peter

I would have thought that you would leave it.
I have not had a close look at my D4 airbox, but if like my previous car it is essentially one way (or hard for water to go back up) so leaving as is would be the go.

Brett....

[Goenin]

My hilux. I left it. Sucked in water and shut me down. Pulled it apart in the river bank. Got the water out.
Away we go. I will be plugging it up for sure.

[dukemasterpro]

Just got a great deal on a snorkel for D4 delivered to my door from the UK for $377. Not bad considering Arb sells them for 550!




Cheers

Just what I need! Are you able to share or PM the retailer with this deal? Did they have any other interesting items for a D4?

[jonesy63]

My hilux. I left it. Sucked in water and shut me down.

Oh what a feeling! :wasntme:

[Canaussie]

Plugged my hole......better safe then sorry, after doing the cape not a drop of water in the air box

[HarryO]

Plugged my hole......better safe then sorry, after doing the cape not a drop of water in the air box

Have you had any buildup of water in the filter box from driving in the rain?

[Canaussie]

I have seen what appears to be a spot where water may have sat, but I'd say its insignifgant(I'm sure the flaming will start). With the design of the snorkel rain and debris exit out the head of the snorkel. After doing the cape trip through dust rain and bugs the only thing in my air filter was dust and a few bug bits. If any water does get in there it would surely evaporate very quickly with the heat that builds up in the engine. I'd take the little bit of water through the snorkel anyday over getting water in through a hole in air box, this happen to my mate up the cape. This rubber is prone to a lot of heat and therefore can deteriorate over time.

[Goenin]

When I sucked water in thought these holes on the hilux we were at the bottom of the Abon Wilderness.
Miles from anyone. Lucky my mate was with me. So HarryO is right. Plug it.