emergency trailer spare tyre needed near officer/pakenham

[Vern]

For all those who have been following mike_ie's saga, it now continues. He's on his way back to my place with defender in tow, and the trailer he hired has had a blow out, and has no spare. I have no spare. Anyone in the area that may have one. I don't know the stud pattern but guessing either ford or Holden.
I will see if I can find something around here and go for a drive.

[mickashay]

I'm in pakky but my spare tyre on my au ford is flat.if he needs anything else I can prob help if he is still stuck

[UncleHo]

It could well be the standard "AL-KO" trailer hub/wheel combo 5 stud as fitted to most box/small tradies/and dog show trailers so somebody should have similar down there.(13 inch)=175-x13 x 5 stud

[Vern]

I'm in pakky but my spare tyre on my au ford is flat.if he needs anything else I can prob help if he is still stuck
Yeah still stuck, I have no spare, he is at the BP servo in officer heading east. Tells me it is five stud, guessing stud center to stud center is about 66mm, and about a 70mm hole.
He is mobile, as he can just unhook the trailer if need be.
Can pm anyone his (Erica's) Ph number

[mike_ie]

Well this is fun! The saga continues apparently... Luckily no damage done, a few brown trousers moments, but came to controlled stop. Rental trailer, so of course no spare. not sure of stud pattern, 5 stud, and I'd guess 66mm stud center to stud center, 70mm diameter center...

[DeanoH]

I'm 15 minutes up the road at Tynong North. Give me a ring on 0418470978.

Deano :)

[mickashay]

Maybe racv but would cost abit ? I'm only 5 away but don't have a spare,got plenty of tools and jack if he needs them

[Vern]

Hopefully mike can work something out with deanoh. I only have early Holden spares, or plenty of rover ones:(:)
Ah the luck of the irish:p

[tony66_au]

What size tyres Mike?
I have Ford, Volvo and 13 inch Holden rims here as well as a few Merc rims from 116 chassis S class

[UncleHo]

Just went out and did a quick check on my dog trailer and hydro-bath trailer Yup! that is about right,and they are "AL-KO" wheels/hubs which is standard trailer types now, with 19mm -- 3/4" nuts about 68 stud to stud

[Vern]

Al ko hubs, but what rims are they, I think ford

[Vern]

Help is on the way, I'm guessing deanoh. Stud pattern must be ford as the studs are 67.18mm c to c.
Now I have an excuse to stay up and watch django:D

[mike_ie]

What size tyres Mike?
I have Ford, Volvo and 13 inch Holden rims here as well as a few Merc rims from 116 chassis S class


195R14C


oh, and the car transport company managed to lose my keys so had to drag it up onto the trailer with a hand winch. fun times...

[tony66_au]

Cool ta, Saves me an hours drive.
I did a roughy on the 15 inch Falcon spare and 66 ish mm is correct

[Vern]

Me too tony:).

Got spares mike?

[bussy1963]

Stupid Question.

Where did u hire trailer from ???????anyway you can contact them ???????

Im in the South east burbs if it helps

[Blknight.aus]

grab the trailer contract, they have an emergancy number on there, call it and ask where the spare tyre for the trailer is.

when they dont know you get a free tilt tray.

[strangy]

My goddness Mike..."luck of the Irish" ???

That Defender just doesnt want to change engines.
Glad its in your hands again, watching your swap thread with great interest.

Mark

[Vern]

grab the trailer contract, they have an emergancy number on there, call it and ask where the spare tyre for the trailer is.

when they dont know you get a free tilt tray.

Contract, it came from the pub, I'm not kidding.:o.
No spare is rediculous.

[Vern]

My goddness Mike..."luck of the Irish" ???

That Defender just doesnt want to change engines.
Glad its in your hands again, watching your swap thread with great interest.

Mark

Should have torched the bloody thing;)

[tony66_au]

Well theres an Isuzu powered Rangie.............

Got to be more fun than a Landy and more comfy too!

[superquag]

... I can picture it now... on the south coast road, right on the cliff-edge, heading West... on a right - hand bend a Little Old Lady steps off the kerb...and a panic swerve to miss her.

Oh darn, there goes the car-trailer and its load !:twisted::twisted::twisted:

[Vern]

Was tony, its now gutted of driveline

[Vern]

Mikes on the road again, thanks deanoh, we owe you a drink or two:)

[tony66_au]

Mikes on the road again, thanks deanoh, we owe you a drink or two:)

Bewdy!

Im having a celebratory drink in Deano's honour as I type this.

Cheers!

[superquag]

Yes, and keep us updated as to what happens when he gets there....and the Drama of Unloading....

Sure, and there will be more calamities in the offing.... :p

[slug_burner]

Isn't this story meant to be happening in some country ending is stan! Australiastan just doesn't have the right ring to it. Although the story about the Express Post nearly go it up there:)

"We went done to the nearest village and the bloke that ran the local cantina said that there was no tow truck in the area, however he was prepared to lend us his donkey" Now that sounds so much more adventures than, "We went to the local pub and borrowed the trailer with no spare, lo and behold coming down the freeway we blew out a tyre"

You're going to have enough material for a mini series not just a book.

[Vern]

Can see it now, rolls of the trailer, straight into the wife's new amarok:D

[tony66_au]

Id be leaving the thing on the trailer till sunrise just quietly.....

[Blknight.aus]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/31559-survival-tyre-repairs.html

good luck.

[Vern]

Id be leaving the thing on the trailer till sunrise just quietly.....

I've moved the car:D

[B92 8NW]

Can see it now, rolls of the trailer, straight into the wife's new amarok:D

What's hauling the 'fender, if the RR has been gutted?

[Vern]

Wifeys old disco, it'll be a slooooooow trip:)

[tony66_au]

I've moved the car:D

Wise move lol

He shouldnt be far away now, going to post a few piccies of our intrepid adventurer?

Unless ofcourse a Bunyip got him.....

[Vern]

Waiting for the nervous breakdown tony, I'll get piccies of that, shouldn't be far off:p

[tony66_au]

Waiting for the nervous breakdown tony, I'll get piccies of that, shouldn't be far off:p

LOL dont forget the magic words..........

"No worries mate, She'll be right!"

Followed with the words "Uh ohh"

[Vern]

To be sure, to be sure tony

[DeanoH]

'On The Road Again' heading East past Nar Nar Goon 5 minutes ago. :)

Deano :)

[tony66_au]

Nice work Deano you are a gent and a scholar despite what Vern says :-D

So was she all loaded up right?

[DeanoH]

Yep, looked fine in the dark :D.
Au falcon rim was no good as tire rubbed on trailer but toyota hilux rim all good, same centre and 185R14 8 ply so should be OK.

Deano:)

[towe0609]

Good stuff Deano. Gippslanders really are a friendly/helpful lot.

[Vern]

I helped from the couch:)

[Vern]

Yep, looked fine in the dark :D.
Au falcon rim was no good as tire rubbed on trailer but toyota hilux rim all good, same centre and 185R14 8 ply so should be OK.

Deano:)
Will get your wheel back to you asap dean. Thanks for your help

[slug_burner]

Nice work Deano you are a gent and a scholar despite what Vern says :-D

So was she all loaded up right?

Mate, that's a bit rude, I'm sure it is just her accent.

[tony66_au]

Mate, that's a bit rude, I'm sure it is just her accent.

Errrr :wasntme: LMAO

[DeanoH]

Might come for a 'Sunday drive' to see how you hill billies are getting on (and pick up tyre at the same time). :)

Have the winter snows melted up there yet ? ;)

Deano :)

[Vern]

That's a bit harsh, I'll have a banjo and jug ready for ya though

[tony66_au]

Just as well you went out Deano because all i had in Ford was 15 inch EB rims, the only 14's i have are Valiant rims and im not sure the centers are big enough.

[Vern]

Same stud pattern. hole is smaller however

[B92 8NW]

Wifeys old disco, it'll be a slooooooow trip:)

Ahh, I'd have donated the house brick out of my Disco for the skinny pedal had I've known:D.

Good to hear things are moving again, onya Deano:cool:

[strangy]

Should have torched the bloody thing;)
It would probably rain on the matches.:angel:

[mike_ie]

Rocked up to Vern's as of five minutes ago - managed not to have any more incidents on the way back, or accidentally back into his wife's shiny new Amarok for that matter. Thanks of course, to DeanoH Roadside Assist, who roared up behind me in the Oka, sporting a grin and a couple of trailer wheels. In hindsight a bit ****ed that the trailer didn't have a spare - my own fault for not checking I suppose. Was a slow ride home, but probably just as well - was hard enough to control the blowout as it was, was lucky that there was no-one either side of me because I covered all thee lanes.....

Beginning to feel like my life's turned into the AULRO version of "Where's Waldo??" :D

[Lionelgee]

Rocked up to Vern's as of five minutes ago - managed not to have any more incidents on the way back, or accidentally back into his wife's shiny new Amarok for that matter. Thanks of course, to DeanoH Roadside Assist, who roared up behind me in the Oka, sporting a grin and a couple of trailer wheels. In hindsight a bit ****ed that the trailer didn't have a spare - my own fault for not checking I suppose. Was a slow ride home, but probably just as well - was hard enough to control the blowout as it was, was lucky that there was no-one either side of me because I covered all thee lanes.....

Beginning to feel like my life's turned into the AULRO version of "Where's Waldo??" :D

Good to hear you made it back safe and sound. It was a bit of an intense read let alone going through it first hand :eek:.

Fun aye! Have an incident free and safe trip home.

Kind Regards
Lionel

[drifter]

I think I have missed a gap in the saga somewhere...

The Deefer died in Alice. Lots of assistance, thwarted by Aussie Post. Mad Irishman and travelling companion travel to Verns place in a camper and Deefer heads out of Alice towards Darwin.

Mad Irishman gets an Isuzu ready for transplant (when the Deefer arrives at Verns).

And now Deefer is on a trailer with Mike doing a blowout quick-step. Rescued by Deano and finally arrives at Verns.

How did it get from Alice to the trailer? I can't find that episode...

[Landover]

I think I have missed a gap in the saga somewhere...

The Deefer died in Alice. Lots of assistance, thwarted by Aussie Post. Mad Irishman and travelling companion travel to Verns place in a camper and Deefer heads out of Alice towards Darwin.

Mad Irishman gets an Isuzu ready for transplant (when the Deefer arrives at Verns).

And now Deefer is on a trailer with Mike doing a blowout quick-step. Rescued by Deano and finally arrives at Verns.

How did it get from Alice to the trailer? I can't find that episode...


Come on, go back and re read the book (or will be one some day). It left Alice on a truck via Dawin to Melbourne. There you go, make sense now.

[bussy1963]

I think the guys involved should print it all out and sent it off to a production company.

If these TV stations can shown "bomb patrol" or Rat bastards. Then this story will be a top rater. A Irishman in central oz stranded with no help. Mystery surrounds the death of the only person around to help him. He finally gets reunited with his poor broken means of transport. after several thousand km's across the baron outback On the way to bringing back to life his trusty steed he has a brown crayon moment on the freeway. A mass of supports rally to his aid.

Geez i might make the series myself

[mike_ie]

Quick question about liability.

Turns out that the trailer wheel bearing hadn't seen grease in about a year, by the looks of the rust in everything, which I assume caused the wheel to eventually give out, rub off the trailer, and blow out the tyre.

Now at the moment I'm looking at having to replace the tyre, plus an extra day's rental on top of that, which I feel is not really my responsibility - at the end of the day, I went from renting a trailer to make my life easier, to almost having an accident, sitting stranded at the side of the road for two hours while someone else had to come to my aid. Should I be replacing the tyre? Or should I be parking it up in their driveway, saying **** you and your shonky trailer, and walking away?? Bear in mind that this is rented from the local pub, not a dealership.....

[bussy1963]

If the guy at the pub had any decency he should not charge you at all. But if he does take a softly softly approach. Vern has to live in the town. It will soon get known that the guy at the pub is a low bastard for charging you extra

[strangy]

Quick question about liability.

Turns out that the trailer wheel bearing hadn't seen grease in about a year, by the looks of the rust in everything, which I assume caused the wheel to eventually give out, rub off the trailer, and blow out the tyre.

Now at the moment I'm looking at having to replace the tyre, plus an extra day's rental on top of that, which I feel is not really my responsibility - at the end of the day, I went from renting a trailer to make my life easier, to almost having an accident, sitting stranded at the side of the road for two hours while someone else had to come to my aid. Should I be replacing the tyre? Or should I be parking it up in their driveway, saying **** you and your shonky trailer, and walking away?? Bear in mind that this is rented from the local pub, not a dealership.....

IMO you're pretty close to the mark. As the trailer was not provided with a spare and you had to source your own in order to ensure the job was done. (for the purpse of discussion with them you ensured their property was adequately cared for and made secure from being left on the side of the road) Any cost to repair/replace the tyre has already been borne by yourself.
I would take some pics for proof, if it is mobile drop it off and say thanks for the trailer, point out the fact it is unroadworthy which caused the blow out and therfore will not be replacing the tyre nor paying an extra rental charge for something unfit for purpose.

If they are unwilling to accept this contact the Vic Roads equivalent of the MVR and have an inspector defect the trailer and let the mob know that it is on the side of the road, come and get it.

Are you sure you didnt run over a Chinaman or break several mirrors Mike?
Arent you blokes supposed to have Leprachauns with lucky charms or something?
:angel:
all the best....cant wait for the next installment..

[superquag]

I think the guys involved should print it all out and sent it off to a production company.

If these TV stations can shown "bomb patrol" or Rat bastards. Then this story will be a top rater. A Irishman in central oz stranded with no help. Mystery surrounds the death of the only person around to help him. He finally gets reunited with his poor broken means of transport. after several thousand km's across the baron outback On the way to bringing back to life his trusty steed he has a brown crayon moment on the freeway. A mass of supports rally to his aid.

Geez i might make the series myself

No chance ! Plot stretches credulity... has happy ending (?) no spectacular explosions, family sagas or Murder Most Vile.. - may change when the trailer is returned... - and it won't appeal to the lowest of intellects, a.k.a. The Australian Viewing Public.

But if you could write in a Police chase and scantily clad women...
:twisted::twisted::twisted:

[bee utey]

You are one lucky man, mike ie. This illustrates once again why I tell everyone who has a dead vehicle they need to get to me, get a tilt tray tow truck to do it for you, and don't mess with a hire trailer. Most car trailers lack the proper break away brakes to legally tow anything heavier than about 1400kg, and as you have found out maintenance may be inadequate to safely do even that.

Be aware thay any complaint to an authority about the condition of the trailer will also include your overloading!

I hope your good luck charm holds out for the next installment of your saga....:)

[mike_ie]

If the guy at the pub had any decency he should not charge you at all. But if he does take a softly softly approach. Vern has to live in the town. It will soon get known that the guy at the pub is a low bastard for charging you extra

I know - that's why I'm not arguing so much, will chuck a cheap tyre on it and will give it back and explain the situation, rather than taking the "**** you" approach. But I can also see the potential for this to get nasty pretty quickly, and wanted to have an idea of where I stood before I returned it.

[mike_ie]

You are one lucky man, mike ie. This illustrates once again why I tell everyone who has a dead vehicle they need to get to me, get a tilt tray tow truck to do it for you, and don't mess with a hire trailer. Most car trailers lack the proper break away brakes to legally tow anything heavier than about 1400kg, and as you have found out maintenance may be inadequate to safely do even that.

I hope your good luck charm holds out for the next installment of your saga....:)

After this, I would tend to agree, and I'm usually the "do-it-yourself" kinda guy. BEar in mind I was doing 45-50kph (had just pulled out of the service station) - a buy blazed by me pulling 100 about twenty minutes later, with a similar car trailer, similarly laden....

[DeanoH]

Glad to see you made it 'home' OK.

May not be relevant but amongst all the excitement it's worth remembering that parts of the 'South Eastern Freeway', 'Mulgrave Freeway' or whatever it's called now is a toll road, so unless you had an e-tag the vehicle owner is liable for the cost. Fortunately day passes can be got 'after the event' if this is the case.

Waiting for 'The Next Exciting Installment' ..............................

Deano :)

[mike_ie]

Glad to see you made it 'home' OK.

May not be relevant but amongst all the excitement it's worth remembering that parts of the 'South Eastern Freeway', 'Mulgrave Freeway' or whatever it's called now is a toll road, so unless you had an e-tag the vehicle owner is liable for the cost. Fortunately day passes can be got 'after the event' if this is the case.

Waiting for 'The Next Exciting Installment' ..............................

Deano :)

Yep, know exactly where it happened. I'm not going planning on suing them for everything they own or anything, I just want to have a reasonable argument should things take a turn towards "buyer beware, you have to pay for all repairs, etc etc...." Vern runs his business in this area - I don't plan on creating drama over a $60 tyre....

[rovercare]

With any hire trailer, punctures at your cost, unfortunately, same deal when you hired a camper to drive to vic

If the wheel bearing is flogged I'd take it back and explain the story, just try to get him not her;)

Do as you please, so long as you never mentioned my name.

Keep in mind, you did want the cheapest trailer you could find, now you can't expect back up from a national company when you hire a cheap trailer from a pub

When I took it it looked to have good lt tyres and bearings weren't loose

[tony66_au]

Something not mentioned so far..........

How much did the load weigh?

A lot of Tandem car trailers are only legal for about 12 or 1300 kg and a Deefer is what? 2000 kg give or take?

And the load or overload is the responsibility of the Hirer as is checking the gross and tare capacities usually found on a plate on the draw bar.

The positives are that the thing had light truck tyres to begin with AND that Mikes Deefer had no busted glass after the transport leg (A not uncommon occurrence).

As for the Fillum aspect?

Im sure a Tynong connection can be exploited as its been an interesting place over the years not to mention Nar Nar Goon......... (Brown undies moment aside ofcourse)

[tony66_au]

Oh, Id replace the tyre with a second hand one and repack the bearing.
Return it and let em know what you have done suggesting they check the rest and chalk it up to experience, its honestly not worth the time to jump up and down over something that's arguably a 50/50 liability with only a small chance of a positive outcome.

[mike_ie]

With any hire trailer, punctures at your cost, unfortunately, same deal when you hired a camper to drive to vic

Yep, I appreciate that - which is why I've just come back form the tyre shop with a new tyre on the rim.


Do as you please, so long as you never mentioned my name.

No names mentioned, needn't worry.


Keep in mind, you did want the cheapest trailer you could find, now you can't expect back up from a national company when you hire a cheap trailer from a pub

When I took it it looked to have good lt tyres and bearings weren't loose

Yep, I appreciate that, but regardless of who you are, if you're taking $80 from someone to lend them a trailer to take on a public road, then you have the responsibility to ensure that it's roadworthy. It's not like I was borrowing it from a mate. And if that bearing has seen grease in the last three years, I'd be very surprised.... :)

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[rovercare]

Bit dry. I know he paid another fella to fix it up to hire, so it may come as a surprise to the owner aswell

[mike_ie]

Bit dry. I know he paid another fella to fix it up to hire, so it may come as a surprise to the owner aswell

You're right - it did. :D They covered the price of the replacement tyre, I paid for the trailer (I still got my use out of it after all), and I wrote off the inconvenience to experience. By the sounds of it they'll be having a few choice words with whoever they paid to give it a once-over. Seems fair all round.

[Blknight.aus]

chain up the axle, remove the tyre
take it to a tyre shop thats friendly
ask them to fit a tyre
have them expalain to you that they wont fit a tyre as the rooted bearings will destroy the tyre.
ring the owner from the tyre shop and have them explain to him the prediciment

walk away.

[rovercare]

chain up the axle, remove the tyre
take it to a tyre shop thats friendly
ask them to fit a tyre
have them expalain to you that they wont fit a tyre as the rooted bearings will destroy the tyre.
ring the owner from the tyre shop and have them explain to him the prediciment

walk away.

Seriously? You have issues!

[Blknight.aus]

the number of times Ive had hire trailers fail (sometimes before I even got the load onto them)

When I pay good money for a supposedly serviceable item I dont expect wheel bearings to fail, spring retainer bolts to snap off, brake cables to fall out, loading ramp hinges to break welds and fall off, to be pulled over by the cops for towing an unregistered trailer, Parking brakes to be unservicable, the spare tyre to be the wrong pattern (maybe fair enough you get a holden 5 stud pattern when you need a ford but not a 4 stud rim when you have 5s on the road)

My personal favorite was when I lost a hired car trailer from behind the vehicle on the way to pick up the load. I mean yes, I may have been wrong for using non rated shackles and true, while it was unloaded my tow ball height may have been a little too high for optimal towing conditions but I cant see how either of those things would cause the A Frame to snap off of the front of the main body of the trailer.

To say I'm somewhat jaded towards trailer hire companies demonstrates mastery of the understatement.

[tony66_au]

I can see Daves point, I have had some shocking Hire tandems over the years to the point where I now just call for a trade tow.

Considering most tandems rent out at $120 per day these days and most tows are between $80 and $250 when you factor in time, fuel, wear and tear on the car and the sheer unknown I wont hire a tandem ever again.

Im looking for a Tandem or triaxle 7 x 18 skel this year for my own use, chuck a stock crate on it and it will pay for itself in a year.

[rovercare]

the number of times Ive had hire trailers fail (sometimes before I even got the load onto them)

When I pay good money for a supposedly serviceable item I dont expect wheel bearings to fail, spring retainer bolts to snap off, brake cables to fall out, loading ramp hinges to break welds and fall off, to be pulled over by the cops for towing an unregistered trailer, Parking brakes to be unservicable, the spare tyre to be the wrong pattern (maybe fair enough you get a holden 5 stud pattern when you need a ford but not a 4 stud rim when you have 5s on the road)

My personal favorite was when I lost a hired car trailer from behind the vehicle on the way to pick up the load. I mean yes, I may have been wrong for using non rated shackles and true, while it was unloaded my tow ball height may have been a little too high for optimal towing conditions but I cant see how either of those things would cause the A Frame to snap off of the front of the main body of the trailer.

To say I'm somewhat jaded towards trailer hire companies demonstrates mastery of the understatement.

Lovely story, but it was a cheap trailer, from a pub

As far as I'm aware it was handled well, the owner paid for the tyre and he had paid someone to bring it up to scratch, although it wasn't he had done his bit

Seriously, if you want to play those antics, move to the USA

[Blknight.aus]

not seeing your problem with leaving it at the tyre shop.

you've paid for the hire,
you've gotten it to a place that is a, securable and B, most likely capable of doing the repair works
Notified the owner of where it is.

Whats the problem?

[rovercare]

not seeing your problem with leaving it at the tyre shop.

you've paid for the hire,
you've gotten it to a place that is a, securable and B, most likely capable of doing the repair works
Notified the owner of where it is.

Whats the problem?

If you hire a trailer, that you enter a contract into the hire of, you sign a contract that states you are responsible, for any punctures/damage, so therefore, if your were to leave a trailer, due to a puncture at a premises other than its rightful place, you would be held accountable and payable of all costs incurred

I'd say Mike got a suprise when the owner coughed up for the tyre, I'd be happy with the result, sure it was an inconvenience, but it sounds it was handled well

If you can't deal with the fact its your own responsibility, even if the trailer has not been well maintained, use your own car trailer:p

I don't understand why the vendetta against the trailer owner? I was going to prop one out the front Prior to the dude at the pub did, but speaking with a few local dudes that used to hire them, it was people such as yourself, why I never went ahead

[Blknight.aus]

What you're not accountable for is something thats unfit for purpose.

Blowouts (presuming the tyres were in roadworthy order, appropriately rated for the trailer), negligent damage, intentional damage, use beyond design limits you are accountable for.

Damage arising from poor maintenance isn't your problem on hire equipment.

[mike_ie]

If you hire a trailer, that you enter a contract into the hire of, you sign a contract that states you are responsible, for any punctures/damage, so therefore, if your were to leave a trailer, due to a puncture at a premises other than its rightful place, you would be held accountable and payable of all costs incurred

True.


I'd say Mike got a suprise when the owner coughed up for the tyre, I'd be happy with the result, sure it was an inconvenience, but it sounds it was handled well

I got a surprise because I was expecting an argument, which I didn't get. But it's hard to argue with a wheel hub and bearing that's caked in a years worth of rust. I never argued that I shouldn't pay the cost of the tyre repair, but I could have argued in favour of getting a refund on the trailer hire (which I chose not to, in this case).


If you can't deal with the fact its your own responsibility, even if the trailer has not been well maintained, use your own car trailer:p

Absolutely not. The whole point of hiring vs. purchasing is that the onus is on the person renting out the object, be it a trailer or a TV or whatever, to maintain the object properly, to get it certified where necessary, to keep it in good running order. My concern at the time (other than the immediate concern of going through the central divider attached to a three wheeled trailer) was with getting stuck with repair costs to the trailer hub, which there is no way I am responsible for, and there'd be no way in hell that I'd be paying. That's where your argument falls down.


I don't understand why the vendetta against the trailer owner? I was going to prop one out the front Prior to the dude at the pub did, but speaking with a few local dudes that used to hire them, it was people such as yourself, why I never went ahead

Me, I don't think I held a vendetta for the trailer owner, I think I was more than reasonable, and in this instance everyone walked away more or less happy. But like it or not, if you stick a trailer out for rent, be you a big business or someone with a trailer lying idle, you're responsible for its upkeep, and if an accident were to occur due to lack of upkeep, then you could be held responsible, which is fair, IMHO.

[slug_burner]

Well glad that is over and that you got an amicable outcome.

The thread was turning into a Monty Python sketch


A man walks into an office.

Man: (Michael Palin) Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please.

Receptionist: Certainly sir. Have you been here before?

Man: No, this is my first time.

Receptionist: I see. Well, do you want to have the full argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?

Man: Well, what would be the cost?

Receptionist: Well, It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.

None of the above is about you Mike:cool:

[strangy]

I'd be happy enough with the final outcome.

" But cannot argue unless you've paid"