Mechanical issues comparison

[Barney2803]

Hi guys

Can someone point me in the direction of serving costs and repairs on td5 vs v8?

Are the V8's more reliable mechanically?
Are they easier to fix/maintain yourself than the td5?

I had a 2003 td5 previously and although it was fully serviced all its life by Baragellos in Perth and all work done properly, after owning it for 6 months I was very unhappy to get 3 oil leaks in a matter of weeks that would have cost $1500-$2000 to fix cos of labour etc.

So now I'm tossing up getting a 2000ish v8/LPG instead of a td5 when I downgrade from my triton at the end of the year.

Looking at paying $10k.

Thoughts?

[Alex 110]

Hi guys

downgrade from my triton



must be a typo. LOL :p:wasntme:

On a more serious note - we ARE talking landrovers here - I've had 4, 2 series 3's, a 300tdi Defender and now my td5 D2, and they've all had oil leaks - I look at it as rust prevention

[Blknight.aus]

the diesel is usually less maintenance intensive than the v8.

[justinc]

compared to td5 v8 is cheaper to service, but iridium plugs, leads, coil packs and labour to fit negate some of this.

the d2 v8's require exemplary cooling system maintenance, and still do head gaskets, water pumps and slip liners.... then there is the 02 sensors, intank fuel pump, crank and cam angle sensor failures, and exhaust leaks. fuel consumption, gutless on hills, poor engine braking offroad, airflow meter faults/ failures.

get a td5 then you only have to deal with head gasket failure through plastic dowel syndrome, intank fuel pump failures, and oily injector harnesses. oh, and the odd throttle potentiometer and auto trans at 200,000km. throw in a few radiators and some other coolant leaks and possibly a cracked head into the fuel gallery filling the sump with diesel an there you have it; a pretty unbiased view of the disco2 experience.

don't let us forget about our three little associates, either...:o

i actually love these vehicles as a drive, and would definately buy a 2003/4 model auto td5 if i was in the market for 1, so lay off the hate vibes everyone, i just like to tell it like it is:p


jc

[ozscott]

compared to td5 v8 is cheaper to service, but iridium plugs, leads, coil packs and labour to fit negate some of this.

the d2 v8's require exemplary cooling system maintenance, and still do head gaskets, water pumps and slip liners.... then there is the 02 sensors, intank fuel pump, crank and cam angle sensor failures, and exhaust leaks. fuel consumption, gutless on hills, poor engine braking offroad, airflow meter faults/ failures.

get a td5 then you only have to deal with head gasket failure through plastic dowel syndrome, intank fuel pump failures, and oily injector harnesses. oh, and the odd throttle potentiometer and auto trans at 200,000km. throw in a few radiators and some other coolant leaks and possibly a cracked head into the fuel gallery filling the sump with diesel an there you have it; a pretty unbiased view of the disco2 experience.

don't let us forget about our three little associates, either...:o

i actually love these vehicles as a drive, and would definately buy a 2003/4 model auto td5 if i was in the market for 1, so lay off the hate vibes everyone, i just like to tell it like it is:p


jc

Justin - you forgot that the manual clutch in the TD5 lasts as long as a hot dinner compared to the V8 and being dual mass costs a fortune to replace compared to the V8...

Cheers

[ozscott]

I would take a D1 v8 over both a Tdi and a TD5 for maintenance, but yes the D2 V8 is not as reliable as the D1 despite 4 bolt mains and other improvements....they just run too hot. My D2 has not slipped liners even when I overheated it (my fault) but did do head gaskets due to the overheat. I overheated the D1 3.9 at 160,000 and at 280,000 its still going strong and smooth with no coolant loss/use.

Cheers

PS. Now with new head gaskets and cooling system and SGI LPG my D2 is a nice long termer (with 208,000 on it since I got it new) and cheaper to run in terms of fuel costs than a TD5.

[Blknight.aus]

yep, cause doing the cams and lifters every 200ishK Km as opposed to a timing belt every 80K Km is just so much better. (wont mention having to do the heads, you said that for us)

Did your td5 have a leaking fuel tank?

[robbotd5]

Justin - you forgot that the manual clutch in the TD5 lasts as long as a hot dinner compared to the V8 and being dual mass costs a fortune to replace compared to the V8...

Cheers

Mine is going great at 83000k's. And I tow a big van. How long did yours last?
Regards
Robbo

[justinc]

Well, the lowest clutch KM I have seen on a D2 Td5 is 120K, was thrashed and crashed and an insurance repair, so doesn't really rate. The average seems to be about 300K, mostly due to flywheel noises or a destroyed spigot bushing requiring trans removal, IE new clutch anyway on reassembly.

The Td5 has a pretty good clutch life compared to the Tdi what with its fork and pivot issues etc....

JC

[bob10]

Justin - you forgot that the manual clutch in the TD5 lasts as long as a hot dinner compared to the V8 and being dual mass costs a fortune to replace compared to the V8...

Cheers
Ummm, my manual TD5 clutch is original, 357,000 Km's.Bob

[sheerluck]

Ummm, my manual TD5 clutch is original, 357,000 Km's.Bob

Wasn't 325,000 on the back of a tow truck though Bob? :D

[bob10]

Wasn't 325,000 on the back of a tow truck though Bob? :D
No, but when I bought it, it had harness issues, and a tow truck came into its life then, but not since. :) I'll back my TD5 D2 against any other vehicle , to reach 500,00 kms without major fault. Are you on? Bob [ put your money where your mouth is, it would be a substantial amount ]

[Barney2803]

Thanks guys, this is a great lot of info and um warm discussion. Keep it coming please!

[justinc]

Bob, I would say that the use the car gets and the driver is why some last longer than others, city use and harsh operators can halve that lifespan. Long distances and careful driving will make them last a looong time.
357,000km is good innings, at your rate could see 400+ I reckon :)

JC

[Disco EMU]

Bought my D2 Td5 manual with 70000kms on it in immaculate condition ... 50000kms later put in new shocks, new ecu harness, new clutch and flywheel, new radiator and new turbo and don't forget a lengthy bill to check the oil pump bolt (it was tight as the proverbial)!

I figure that I've now spent enough to keep it for a while longer.

Having said that ... I love it!

[sheerluck]

No, but when I bought it, it had harness issues, and a tow truck came into its life then, but not since. :) I'll back my TD5 D2 against any other vehicle , to reach 500,00 kms without major fault. Are you on? Bob [ put your money where your mouth is, it would be a substantial amount ]

I would back your TD5 against my D1 any day of the week. To say otherwise would be a waste of my cash. I've not had any major issues with it, apart from having to replace a new head gasket after a rebuild, but it's of an age where it's best years are behind it.

One of the reasons why I'm in the process of replacing it.:D

[ozscott]

The heads in my d2 v8 at 200,000 were in excellent condition. Just a clean up porting and back on...

I think both td5 and v8 d2 have proven cheaper to run than the new shape.

Cheers

[Disco EMU]

[QUOTE=Barney2803;1850779]downgrade from my triton at the end of the year.
QUOTE]

and I think you've spelt "upgrade" incorrectly. ;)

... but also, when you buy and older car (regardless of Td5 or V8) you've got to expect to have things go wrong and be prepared to spend some money on it.

[Barney2803]

Haha yep upgrade/downgrade depends on my perspective at the time. Seems the MOWF doesn't want me getting another one but I'm pushing her to let me.

[Disco Muppet]

Just to tempt fate here, my auto is about to tick over 240k kms and it still runs beautifully.
I think the condition of the vehicle and how it's treated is directly proportional to the lifespan of its parts :)
Td5 gets my vote any day, when I want to set my money on fire and throw it into a bin at a petrol station I'll buy a V8 :angel:

[disco2_dan]

I chose the v8 for many reasons, it averages 12.5L per 100km, starts every time I turn the key and sounds so much better then an oil burner, what it really comes down to is what you like, some people like TD's some like v8's, both have their quirks and both have their own character good luck with what ever you choose!!

[bob10]

Bob, I would say that the use the car gets and the driver is why some last longer than others, city use and harsh operators can halve that lifespan. Long distances and careful driving will make them last a looong time.
357,000km is good innings, at your rate could see 400+ I reckon :)

JC
Until I win the lotto, & buy a 2013 baltic blue defender with a Orkney grey roof. ...........[ at my age you have to lust after something:angel: ] Bob

[Disco Muppet]

I chose the v8 for many reasons, it averages 12.5L per 100km, starts every time I turn the key and sounds so much better then an oil burner, what it really comes down to is what you like, some people like TD's some like v8's, both have their quirks and both have their own character good luck with what ever you choose!!

You realise the irony of this statement, as a V8 driver? :angel:

[bob10]

I would back your TD5 against my D1 any day of the week. To say otherwise would be a waste of my cash. I've not had any major issues with it, apart from having to replace a new head gasket after a rebuild, but it's of an age where it's best years are behind it.

One of the reasons why I'm in the process of replacing it.:D
We love our Land Rovers, it's like having children, we are blind to their minor faults. I'm just going down to tuck mine in, and tell it uncle sheerluck didn't mean to be nasty, Bob :)