Why, although roof rack lights are lame, they are legal...

[gusthedog]

I’m a nerd so wanted to check the legal ramifications of extra lights on vehicles. I am particularly interested in roof rack or roof mounted spot lights. That’s because I think they are lame. I have never found the need for more light than my IPF extreme 900 65watt wide pattern lights (both of them wide pattern adjusted out to light up the sides of the road for roos etc) combined with my D2 headlights. Now do you guys with extra roof lights use them all the time and how effective do you think they are? Why do you have them? And why do you think they are not lame? :D

I had heard that mounting roof lights was illegal. So me being the nerd, I downloaded the Vic Roads Road Safety Guidelines 2009 and had a read.

They say:

76 Pairs of lights
(1) If lights are required under the Vehicle Standards
to be fitted to a vehicle in pairs—
(a) a light must be fitted on each side of the
longitudinal axis of the vehicle; and
(b) the centre of each light in a pair must be the
same distance from the longitudinal axis of
the vehicle; and
(c) the centre of each light in a pair must be at
the same height above ground level; and
(d) each light in a pair must project
approximately the same amount of light of
the same colour.

80 How additional headlights are to be fitted
If 2 or more additional headlights are fitted to a
motor vehicle with 4 or more wheels, the
additional headlights must as far as possible be
fitted in pairs.
81 Performance of headlights
(1) When on, a headlight, or additional headlight,
fitted to a vehicle must—
(a) show only white light; and
(b) project its main beam of light ahead of the
vehicle.

So extra headlights are ok in Victoria, as long as they are (as much as possible?) fitted in pairs. So at this point, roof lights are ok so long as they are in pairs, they show white light, they are level with eachother and they face forwards.

So I read on: You can argue for roof mounted lights if your vehicle is over 1.8 metres wide and you have running lights– which can be mounted on the roof but only use 7 watts of power each. Note that cabin lights can only be fitted if you have running lights which can only be mounted if your vehicle is over 1.8 metres wide.

The regs state:

92 External cabin lights
(1) A motor vehicle fitted with front clearance lights
may also have additional forward-facing lights on
or above the roof of its cabin.
(2) The additional forward-facing lights must be
spaced evenly between the front clearance lights,
with their centres at least 120 millimetres apart.
(3) When on, an additional forward-facing light
must—
(a) show a yellow or white light; and
(b) not use over 7 watts of power.

Now reversing lights are interesting:

Division 10—Reversing lights
100 Reversing lights
(1) One or more reversing lights may be fitted to the
rear of a vehicle and on each side towards the rear
of the vehicle.
(2) A reversing light must have its centre not over
1⋅2 metres above ground level.
(3) When on, a reversing light must show a white or
yellow light to the rear or to the side and rear of
the vehicle.
(4) A reversing light fitted to a motor vehicle must be
wired so it operates only when the vehicle is
reversing or in reverse gear.
(5) A reversing light fitted to a trailer must be wired
so it operates only when a motor vehicle towing
the trailer is reversing or in reverse gear.
(6) A yellow reversing light may also operate as a
direction indicator light.

So you better not have a reversing light on your roofrack!
On to fog lights:

(4) If the top of the front fog light is higher than the
top of any low-beam headlight on the vehicle, the
centre of the fog light must not be higher than the
centre of the low-beam headlight.
(5) A front fog light must—
(a) when on—
(i) project white or yellow light in front of
the vehicle; and
(ii) be a low-beam light; and
(b) be able to be operated independently of any
headlight; and
(c) be fitted so the light from it does not reflect
off the vehicle into the driver's eyes.

So your fog lights can’t be higher than your low beam lights. So no fog lights on roof racks then.
Blah blah blah, you can have reflectors, buses have to have certain signs blah blah. Then some more interesting stuff:

(3) Subject to subclause (4), a vehicle must not be
fitted with—
(a) a light that flashes;
(b) a light or reflector that—
(i) shows a red light to the front; or
(ii) shows a white light to the rear; or
(iii) is shaped or located in a way that
reduces the effectiveness of a light or
reflector that is required to be fitted to
the vehicle under the Vehicle
Standards.

So no flashing lights or red lights at the front (are you reading B&S ute peoples!).

And that’s it. No regulation in the legislation for 2009 for height of headlights (except for the centre of your low beam at 1.4 metres). So now you can feel safe in Victoria with your lame-o roof lights, so long as they are not fog lights, so long as they are in pairs, face forward, are at equal heights and show white light.

THE END.

[SLOWBOAT]

It could be that some people like their lame lights up on the pack rack so that when the rack is removed for around town the rack, along with roof top tent, fast verandah, jerry can holder, spade, jack and ariel are winched up into the garage roof for the next trip away and don't look like a camel safari entrant every day!
JMO

[Mick_Marsh]

Check out the ADR's. Also acessable on the Vicroads site.
I think you'll find they're not legal re: positioning.

You got a link to the "Road Safety Guidelines 2009"?

[Sue]

It could be that some people like their lame lights up on the pack rack so that when the rack is removed for around town the rack, along with roof top tent, fast verandah, jerry can holder, spade, jack and ariel are winched up into the garage roof for the next trip away and don't look like a camel safari entrant every day!
JMO

So.. how do they wire them in if they are removing the lights with the rack.. ;)

I also was under the impression that in QLD at least (but don't have time to look up the regulations right this minute) that for any lights that were above 1.2m on your car (ie roof rack, rear lights) the switch to activate the lights was not allowed to be within reach from the drivers seat.. ie it had to be on the passenger side/in a glove box etc..

I could be wrong..

[BigJon]

So.. how do they wire them in if they are removing the lights with the rack.. ;)

..

You put a pair of plugs in the wiring... Not hard.

[BigJon]

I’m a nerd so wanted to check the legal ramifications of extra lights on vehicles. I am particularly interested in roof rack or roof mounted spot lights. That’s because I think they are lame. I have never found the need for more light than my IPF extreme 900 65watt wide pattern lights (both of them wide pattern adjusted out to light up the sides of the road for roos etc) combined with my D2 headlights. Now do you guys with extra roof lights use them all the time and how effective do you think they are? Why do you have them? And why do you think they are not lame? :D

I had heard that mounting roof lights was illegal. So me being the nerd, I downloaded the Vic Roads Road Safety Guidelines 2009 and had a read.

They say:

76 Pairs of lights
(1) If lights are required under the Vehicle Standards
to be fitted to a vehicle in pairs—
(a) a light must be fitted on each side of the
longitudinal axis of the vehicle; and
(b) the centre of each light in a pair must be the
same distance from the longitudinal axis of
the vehicle; and
(c) the centre of each light in a pair must be at
the same height above ground level; and
(d) each light in a pair must project
approximately the same amount of light of
the same colour.

80 How additional headlights are to be fitted
If 2 or more additional headlights are fitted to a
motor vehicle with 4 or more wheels, the
additional headlights must as far as possible be
fitted in pairs.
81 Performance of headlights
(1) When on, a headlight, or additional headlight,
fitted to a vehicle must—
(a) show only white light; and
(b) project its main beam of light ahead of the
vehicle.

So extra headlights are ok in Victoria, as long as they are (as much as possible?) fitted in pairs. So at this point, roof lights are ok so long as they are in pairs, they show white light, they are level with eachother and they face forwards.

So I read on: You can argue for roof mounted lights if your vehicle is over 1.8 metres wide and you have running lights– which can be mounted on the roof but only use 7 watts of power each. Note that cabin lights can only be fitted if you have running lights which can only be mounted if your vehicle is over 1.8 metres wide.

The regs state:

92 External cabin lights
(1) A motor vehicle fitted with front clearance lights
may also have additional forward-facing lights on
or above the roof of its cabin.
(2) The additional forward-facing lights must be
spaced evenly between the front clearance lights,
with their centres at least 120 millimetres apart.
(3) When on, an additional forward-facing light
must—
(a) show a yellow or white light; and
(b) not use over 7 watts of power.

Now reversing lights are interesting:

Division 10—Reversing lights
100 Reversing lights
(1) One or more reversing lights may be fitted to the
rear of a vehicle and on each side towards the rear
of the vehicle.
(2) A reversing light must have its centre not over
1⋅2 metres above ground level.
(3) When on, a reversing light must show a white or
yellow light to the rear or to the side and rear of
the vehicle.
(4) A reversing light fitted to a motor vehicle must be
wired so it operates only when the vehicle is
reversing or in reverse gear.
(5) A reversing light fitted to a trailer must be wired
so it operates only when a motor vehicle towing
the trailer is reversing or in reverse gear.
(6) A yellow reversing light may also operate as a
direction indicator light.

So you better not have a reversing light on your roofrack!
On to fog lights:

(4) If the top of the front fog light is higher than the
top of any low-beam headlight on the vehicle, the
centre of the fog light must not be higher than the
centre of the low-beam headlight.
(5) A front fog light must—
(a) when on—
(i) project white or yellow light in front of
the vehicle; and
(ii) be a low-beam light; and
(b) be able to be operated independently of any
headlight; and
(c) be fitted so the light from it does not reflect
off the vehicle into the driver's eyes.

So your fog lights can’t be higher than your low beam lights. So no fog lights on roof racks then.
Blah blah blah, you can have reflectors, buses have to have certain signs blah blah. Then some more interesting stuff:

(3) Subject to subclause (4), a vehicle must not be
fitted with—
(a) a light that flashes;
(b) a light or reflector that—
(i) shows a red light to the front; or
(ii) shows a white light to the rear; or
(iii) is shaped or located in a way that
reduces the effectiveness of a light or
reflector that is required to be fitted to
the vehicle under the Vehicle
Standards.

So no flashing lights or red lights at the front (are you reading B&S ute peoples!).

And that’s it. No regulation in the legislation for 2009 for height of headlights (except for the centre of your low beam at 1.4 metres). So now you can feel safe in Victoria with your lame-o roof lights, so long as they are not fog lights, so long as they are in pairs, face forward, are at equal heights and show white light.

THE END.


That must be one of the longest and most researched posts about "I don't like it and I don't understand so you can't have it".

[Grimace]

[COLOR=#1f497d][FONT=Arial][B]I have never found the need for more light than my IPF extreme 900 65watt wide pattern lights (both of them wide pattern adjusted out to light up the sides of the road for roos etc) combined with my D2 headlights. Now do you guys with extra roof lights use them all the time and how effective do you think they are? Why do you have them? And why do you think they are not lame? ]

IPF extreme 900s... LAME!

[gusthedog]

Vic roads don't say much:

Fog & driving lights : VicRoads (http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/SafetyAndRules/SaferVehicles/VehicleDesignStandardsAndAccessories/FogAndDrivingLights.htm)

And the Road Safety Guidelines are at:

http://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/Domino/Web_Notes/LDMS/PubStatbook.nsf/93eb987ebadd283dca256e92000e4069/418535CE710E4E87CA25761E001D6AB4/$FILE/09-095sr.pdf

And the ADR's don't mention "driving lights" but do mention "fog lights":

http://raws.infrastructure.gov.au/Docs/Word/VIR-1_Foms_MAMBMC_Iss_2.doc (http://raws.infrastructure.gov.au/Docs/Word/VIR-1_Foms_MAMBMC_Iss_2.doc)

Good to create some interest :D

[rangieman]

IPF extreme 900s... LAME!
IPF extreme 900s with 70w Hid not so lame:p They sure whoop those 240 blitz:cool:

[101RRS]

A version of the previous body shape Jeep Cherokee had roof top lights as standard so must be legal in all states and meet ADRs.

Garry

[gusthedog]

Some further info Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 13/00 - Installation of Lighting and Light Signalling Devices on other than L-Group Vehicles) 2005 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2005L03991). According to ADR 13/00, you are limited to either 2 or 4 driving lamps (extra to the headlights on the vehicle). So you can't have more than 4 extra headlights :D. Only lame-o's have more anway!:p Or those scared of the dark!


DRIVING LAMPS
7.3.1. Presence: Optional on motor vehicles. Prohibited on trailers.
7.3.2. Number:
7.3.2.1. Two or four.
7.3.2.2. To be used in conjunction with headlamps.
7.3.3. Arrangement
No individual specifications
7.3.4. Position
7.3.4.1. In width no individual specifications.
7.3.4.2. In height: no individual specifications.
7.3.4.3. In length: at the front of the vehicle and fitted in such a way that the light emitted does not cause discomfort to the driver either directly or indirectly through the rear-view mirrors and/or other reflecting surfaces of the vehicle.
7.3.5. Geometric visibility
No individual specifications.
7.3.6. Orientation
Towards the front.
7.3.7. Electrical connections
The driving lamps must be able to be lighted only when the main-beam headlamps switch is in the “lamps on” position.
7.3.8. Tell tale: No requirement.
7.3.9. Others
The aggregate maximum intensity of the main-beam headlamps as specified in paragraph 6.1.9.1 of Appendix A can be exceeded with the fitment and illumination of driving lamps. Driving lamps do not have to comply with ADR 46/….

[goingbush]

Agreed, roof rack lights are Lame, and you'd need to dip them well before you dip low mounted lights, They are going to blind a driver coming over a rise well before he needs to dip,

Plus the fact that I hate Roof Racks

[goingbush]

....... memories

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1127.jpg

wonder how I fit into the ADR's . the LED light bar , is it 20 pairs of little lights, or is it one light, either way it dosent comply.

I guess I could say it is a "Work Light"

or I could say " it was like that when I bought it Officer" ;)



BTW the LED headlights are the best I've ever driven behind, period.


(for people that dont know, ...... gusthedog used to own my 110 :BigThumb: ) .

[Jeff]

....... memories

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1127.jpg

wonder how I fit into the ADR's . the LED light bar , is it 20 pairs of little lights, or is it one light, either way it dosent comply.

I guess I could say it is a "Work Light"

or I could say " it was like that when I bought it Officer" ;)



BTW the LED headlights are the best I've ever driven behind, period.


(for people that dont know, ...... gusthedog used to own my 110 :BigThumb: ) .

What are those headlights? Are they road legal?

You see roof mounted on UK Land Rovers a lot more than here, they say bullbar ones get muddy and obscured, and you can see better width wise.
They also wouldn't block airflow to the radiator, not sure if that's a big issue in the UK though. Me I have a pair of IPFs mounted on my bullbar, but I won't call people names if they have theirs different to mine.

Jeff

:rocket:

[gusthedog]

....... memories

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1127.jpg

wonder how I fit into the ADR's . the LED light bar , is it 20 pairs of little lights, or is it one light, either way it dosent comply.

I guess I could say it is a "Work Light"

or I could say " it was like that when I bought it Officer" ;)



BTW the LED headlights are the best I've ever driven behind, period.


(for people that dont know, ...... gusthedog used to own my 110 :BigThumb: ) .

Looks great Goingbush :clap2:. I hope it's still going strong. Was a great truck for us and glad it's gone to a good home.

Hmmm. Not sure where LED light bars fit in terms of regs. I'm all legislated out today though :wacko:

[POD]

There used to be a requirement in the Vic legislation that extra lights had to be fitted so that the centre of the lights was no higher than the centre of the vehicle's headlights. I think that one has long gone.

I fitted a pair of bull lights to the roof rack on my old Rangie after travelling outback roads where there was long grass on either side, taller then the height of the headlights. The effect was a tunnel of light into which roos and emus would suddenly spring without warning. Lights mounted up high illuminate the sides of the road in these circumstances and enable the driver to see the wildlife coming. Wiring routed up through the snorkel and a plug to disconnect them when removing the roof rack. I will be making a similar arrangement on the defender when time permits.

If you have not personally experienced the need for a particular accessory, it's easy to assume that everyone who has that accessory has it only for show, and that whether you think it is 'lame' or 'cool' is relevant. I feel much the same way about high-lift jacks.

[gusthedog]

There used to be a requirement in the Vic legislation that extra lights had to be fitted so that the centre of the lights was no higher than the centre of the vehicle's headlights. I think that one has long gone.

I fitted a pair of bull lights to the roof rack on my old Rangie after travelling outback roads where there was long grass on either side, taller then the height of the headlights. The effect was a tunnel of light into which roos and emus would suddenly spring without warning. Lights mounted up high illuminate the sides of the road in these circumstances and enable the driver to see the wildlife coming. Wiring routed up through the snorkel and a plug to disconnect them when removing the roof rack. I will be making a similar arrangement on the defender when time permits.

If you have not personally experienced the need for a particular accessory, it's easy to assume that everyone who has that accessory has it only for show, and that whether you think it is 'lame' or 'cool' is relevant. I feel much the same way about high-lift jacks.

Yes the legislation now only refers to the maximum height of low beam lights and fog lights and the other irrelevant drivel I've mentioned. I was more thinking of the tomb-raider style roof racks with 6 or more lights wedged on for show as lame. And utes with them on the roll bars. And who really cares what I think but me - do what you like.;) If roof mounted lights are your caper then go for it. I still think they are lame.

And thankyou for thinking that my opinion was 'relevant' :D

[ugu80]

There was a thread on LED's before where in QLD their road authority issued a bulletin that the LED bar had to have a 10cm black strip covering the centre lights in order to make the bar appear as 'two' lights. A good example of the idiocy of bureaucracy where, instead of acknowledging the emergence of new technology, they put everyone through hoops to mould the new technology to outdated regulations.

[goingbush]

Looks great Goingbush :clap2:. I hope it's still going strong. Was a great truck for us and glad it's gone to a good home.



Mate, Its going fantastic, I love it. Fitted bigger Intercooler & 3" hotdog inplace of muffler & it is sweet as, Pulls the van like a train . And the Airconditioning upgrade is so good , Dont think I could ever get rid of it.
Thanks for looking after it for me :D




What are those headlights? Are they road legal?



Jeff

:rocket:

As far as I can tell they comply with the relevant ADR's although they are not ADR approved ( they have not been submitted for approval)
so I dont know if they are legal .

They are USA Trucklites, Phase5 , no longer Avaliable,( superceded by the better Phase6 )
They are popular retrofit for Harleys, they dip straight ahead , not to the left or right as the case may be normally for LHD or RHD countries.

The lights are 15W low beam & 30W high beam, so you can leave them on all day & wont flatten your battery.

Also they are Bulletproof, Literally, USMF Humvees are fitted with them & have taken rounds in Afghanistan , & keep working.
(Ideal Land Rover Headlamps)

[OffTrack]

Yes the legislation now only refers to the maximum height of low beam lights and fog lights and the other irrelevant drivel I've mentioned. I was more thinking of the tomb-raider style roof racks with 6 or more lights wedged on for show as lame. And utes with them on the roll bars. And who really cares what I think but me - do what you like.;) If roof mounted lights are your caper then go for it. I still think they are lame.

And thankyou for thinking that my opinion was 'relevant' :D

You must have missed the caveat that says in effect:
"anything fitted to a Land Rover as either: a) a factory accessory, b) camel trophy equipment, or c) G4 Challenge equipment, cannot be, by definition, described as lame."

ugly perhaps, but not lame.

:D

http://www.g4ownersclub.com/Resources/2003/Pictures/DII/1017_358x535.jpg

[Homestar]

You may not like these then...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/01/628.jpg

To answer your questions, I do use them and they do a good job, and weren't expensive. I don't have any fitted to the bull bar as I want all the airflow I can get into the radiator to keep it cool.

If the vehicle was released from the factory with them, then they meet ADR's - so the jeep would be fine, but apart from that, they don't...

So even though these aren't legal, I'll take my chances. I have driven past plenty of cops who have never pulled me up, and I even got a compliment from a Senior Constable who walked past it at the supermarket.

Oh, and to answer the question about removability, as Jon said, a couple of plugs do the trick. I have 2 cannon plugs mounted on the roof they plug into, so with a 13mm spanner and a couple of minutes, they come straight off.

Gav.:)

[goingbush]

Somone ....... pass me a bucket ..... I think I'm going to vomit

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
(note the JRA numberplate - if only he knew)


How to wreck a great truck - that is so fugly

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/859.jpg

[gusthedog]

To answer your questions, I do use them and they do a good job, and weren't expensive. I don't have any fitted to the bull bar as I want all the airflow I can get into the radiator to keep it cool.

If the vehicle was released from the factory with them, then they meet ADR's - so the jeep would be fine, but apart from that, they don't...

So even though these aren't legal, I'll take my chances. I have driven past plenty of cops who have never pulled me up, and I even got a compliment from a Senior Constable who walked past it at the supermarket.

Gav.:)

If you took the side two off they'd be legal!

And lameness is in the eye of the beholder :D

[Homestar]

If you took the side two off they'd be legal!


No they wouldn't. Although Vicroads suggests they may be, the ADR's are quite clear about the height above the ground they can be unless fitted by the factory. They can't be more than 1.5 metre - or something close to that - off the ground.

I'll see if I can dig that up, but it's been discussed on this forum before. ADR's would over rule Vicroads I would imagine, but I could be wrong - there's always a first time...:D

[Jojo]

The main advantage with top-mounted light is that they usually are out of harms way. The TR had those factory-mounted Hellas already and they are doing a good job. On the Disco I have a set of four on the rack, but the rack comes off when it's not needed, including the lights. Two connectors, easy.
Those lights mounted to the front bar sometimes lose their effectiveness quickly due to all mud and dirt or ice and need regular cleaning, whereas the ones on the roof stay clean much longer.

Funny what type of regulations exist almost each and everywhere on our globe :eek::eek::eek:. How many bureaucrats will make their living just by "thinking", constructing, formulating and implementing all those rules? It is that type of bureaucracy that makes me vomit even more than the look of some vehicle's rather ridiculous extra lighting.

[ramblingboy42]

Somone ....... pass me a bucket ..... I think I'm going to vomit

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h72/johnbailey_photo/Rover%20for%20sale/P1010044.jpg
(note the JRA numberplate - if only he knew)


How to wreck a great truck - that is so fugly

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/859.jpg

something about that 90 makes me laugh[bigrolf]:lol2::thumbsdown:

[TD50WA]

The best lights on a roof rack are the led lightbars. Good spread, even illumination. The purpose of high mounted lights for offroad is to have lights when fording thru water that may cover your lights on the front of your car, keep clean when in muddy conditions, and illuminate the uneven ground much better than front mounted lights on bar etc.
So they may have **** value to some, but the do have an offroad purpose....there is a saying, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

All lights on roof racks are technically illegal,(on road), unless the car was manufactured that way (as per the jeep), just like Porsches can have wheel adaptors because they came out with them, but we can't.

Max height for lights is 1.8m afaik. (WA anyway). Lights cannot be on top of a bar because they "obscure forward vision".

Will I have a light bar on my rack, yep, and I have a high lift jack too.:D

[goingbush]

Roof mounted lights + goat track = not good off road = lame

snorkle sticking up is enough of a problem

BlackVue DR400G 1st Bush track test LandRover Defender Td5 (LandyCam) - YouTube

[POD]

Does something being factory-fitted override the Australian regulations these days? How things change. I was working for a Toyota dealer when the 60-series wagons were being sold. The factory number-plate position in the middle of the lower tailgate was above regulation height, so at pre-delivery the vehicles were fitted with a ridiculous-looking red reflecty badge thing to fill the space in the tailgate, and a new rear bumper with provision for the number plate was installed. This modification was necessary to get them registered.

[Homestar]

Factory fitment doesn't automatically beat ADR's, but as mentioned before and in other threads, Jeep did manage to engineer a solution that passed ADR's - after some effort I believe.

Although they did it, and they are legal there is a clause in the ADR's that do state 'factory fitted' so this rules out all home made efforts unfortunately.

At the end of the day, if you like 'em and want to run the risk of fitting them, then go for it.

No different really from running 33 or 35" tyres that are on a 4wd that is not engineered. If people want to do it and run the risk of the fine, then so be it.

[isuzurover]

Roof mounted lights + goat track = not good off road = lame

snorkle sticking up is enough of a problem

BlackVue DR400G 1st Bush track test LandRover Defender Td5 (LandyCam) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_S4251nfdk)

Not sure what that vid proves - other than you need to get some lockers... :p

[101RRS]

Factory does not beat ADRs but there are always exemptions.

When you talk about the max height of aux lights being 1.5m off the ground - are you sure it is above the ground or above the vehicle's fixed headlights. I have that somewhere in the back of my mind but am not sure.

Garry

[flagg]

While I dont have any due to trees, I do like being able to see "into" put holes rather than just have a road full of black circles of unknown depth and contents. For that you need lights above your eye line.

Not a problem for the city slikin' weekend warriors though :angel::wasntme::twisted::p


...like me

[dullbird]

they also light up the trees when your night driving and Im not talking on road :)

[goingbush]

Not sure what that vid proves - other than you need to get some lockers... :p

just the low branches scraping along the roof, .... I'm just taking the mickey.
If I had a Camel or G4 of course I'd have the rack & roof lights too

re that track - Ive got front & rear truetracs, all wheels were spinning, it had been raining & was wet under the leaf litter. The vid dosent show it but its steep, The BJ40 would not even look at the last bit of the hill where the rock ledge is.

[gusthedog]

No they wouldn't. Although Vicroads suggests they may be, the ADR's are quite clear about the height above the ground they can be unless fitted by the factory. They can't be more than 1.5 metre - or something close to that - off the ground.

I'll see if I can dig that up, but it's been discussed on this forum before. ADR's would over rule Vicroads I would imagine, but I could be wrong - there's always a first time...:D

Mate I've had a look at most of the ADR's if you read my earlier posts and to my knowledge the only limitation is either 2 or 4 lights. There is no rule, legislation or ADR that I found that says anything about the height of lights except low beam and fog lights (which is 1.4m to the centre of the light beam).

I have provided links to all the relevant vic legislation and ADRs snd can't find specifications or limitations on driving light height. Happy to be proven wrong though :)

As I have stated there are limitations on roof lights if you have a vehicle over 1.8 metres wide but that is only for 7 watt guidance lights.

Let me know if you find any ADRs with a height spec. Would love to check them out

[Sparksdisco]

So whats the story with a LED light bar?

It's one light or more than 20 lights so how are they legal?

[TonyC]

Mate I've had a look at most of the ADR's if you read my earlier posts and to my knowledge the only limitation is either 2 or 4 lights. There is no rule, legislation or ADR that I found that says anything about the height of lights except low beam and fog lights (which is 1.4m to the centre of the light beam).

I have provided links to all the relevant vic legislation and ADRs snd can't find specifications or limitations on driving light height. Happy to be proven wrong though :)

As I have stated there are limitations on roof lights if you have a vehicle over 1.8 metres wide but that is only for 7 watt guidance lights.

Let me know if you find any ADRs with a height spec. Would love to check them out

The ADRs do require them to be mounted on the front of the vehicle,
So they "may" be OK on a 101 but on a 90 they would be about half way to the back.

Tony

[isuzurover]

So whats the story with a LED light bar?

It's one light or more than 20 lights so how are they legal?

Queensland transport have released a ruling that you need to fit a central blackout section to LED light bars, so that they clearly look like two separate lights from a distance. That implies they are viewed as one (or two) light(s).

http://www.cviaq.com.au/PDFs/VSI%20HV25.0%20Driving%20Lamps.pdf

[Sparksdisco]

Queensland transport have released a ruling that you need to fit a central blackout section to LED light bars, so that they clearly look like two separate lights from a distance. That implies they are viewed as one (or two) light(s).

http://www.cviaq.com.au/PDFs/VSI%20HV25.0%20Driving%20Lamps.pdf

Woops was going to say somthing then read the link properly

[gusthedog]

Queensland transport have released a ruling that you need to fit a central blackout section to LED light bars, so that they clearly look like two separate lights from a distance. That implies they are viewed as one (or two) light(s).

http://www.cviaq.com.au/PDFs/VSI%20HV25.0%20Driving%20Lamps.pdf

Which fits in with the ADRs I mentioned earlier requiring driving lights to be in pairs ;)

Not sure about LEDs in Victoria though. I'll check it out today.

[newhue]

This is interesting, but in the end what's the result.

The ones who have them like them and probably rarely use them, but who cares.
The ones who don't have them, just look at them and probably think nothing.
Main Roads, or the police have better things to do, or even if you are stopped a small fine perhaps; and told to remove them.
And the chances, probably better odds winning lotto than being stopped.

Still, thank goodness we have nerds :D I'm one of those blunt realist:)

[redrovertdi]

After reading this thread i have learnt that i am "Lame", I have 4 led round lights on my roof rack with led daytime running lights in between, i am yet to be pulled over by the police. The roof lights are brilliant for spread beam at night when driving off road[I actually do go off road in my landrover!] and when setting up the camper trailer in the dark[once again off road with out street lighting]. To the original poster?- Do you secretly want roof lights but arent allowed/man enough yet?
Lamo Richard:)

[ugu80]

He has repressed roof rack lightuality, they're always the most critical until they accept their lightuality.

[SLOWBOAT]

He has repressed roof rack lightuality, they're always the most critical until they accept their lightuality.
Nice one. LOL

[goingbush]

<snip>
Main Roads, or the police have better things to do, or even if you are stopped a small fine perhaps; and told to remove them.
And the chances, probably better odds winning lotto than being stopped.

<snip>


How True,

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1098.jpg

the reversing lights on the Hilux above are clearly and totally illegal,

this is a still frame from a tape I sent to cops in relation to a near catastrophic manoeuvre by said Hilux, they did not mention the lights, when I pointed them out they said they are "just Reversing lights",

thats NSW Highway Patrol , Also I have VicPol family members who didnt even notice the reversing lights when I showed the video, & have not batted an eyelid at my questionable LED headlights or Lightbar.

Basically the cops have better things to do.

[gusthedog]

After reading this thread i have learnt that i am "Lame", I have 4 led round lights on my roof rack with led daytime running lights in between, i am yet to be pulled over by the police. The roof lights are brilliant for spread beam at night when driving off road[I actually do go off road in my landrover!] and when setting up the camper trailer in the dark[once again off road with out street lighting]. To the original poster?- Do you secretly want roof lights but arent allowed/man enough yet?
Lamo Richard:)

Good to hear you admitting your lamness Richard. Admitting the problem is the first step to recovery. :D

Actually the fact that I think they are lame is not the issue. I have read thread after thread on driving lights and lights where people say "I think" or "I've been told" or some other load of Male Bovine Excreta about the legality of lights and height of said lights. I thought bugger it, I'll have a look at the actual regs and ADRs myself out of interest to see if roof mounted lights are actually factually legal or not. The result being that you are allowed to have them in pairs with a maximum of four lights, so long as they face forward, dont blind you as the driver, are equal in their pairing (heigh above ground for each pair), have white light (not red or blue - don't even get me started on blue light covers!). Now technically the lights themselves have to be stamped with the ADR approval mark but that is going too far even for me :)

So you might have legal lights on your roof (if you comply with all of the above) but you are still a try hard (excluding those that can justify them for a given purpose - according to this Priceyism however, this does not reduce the degree to which a said person is lame, it simply justifies that said individual has a valid reason for their lameness. Therefore confirmation of lamness does not reduce the glee to which I heartily apply through laughter at those lame-o's with roof rack lights. Because they are lame:D).

And no I do not secretly pine for roof rack lights. As I stated before, I have two on my bullbar. I am not afraid of the dark so do not need any more.

Now lets all get on with some important stuff like whinging about the new defender losing its defenderishness or somesuch.

[Disco44]

As far as I recall roof rack lights are legal in Queensland but they are deemed illegal if they are used on a formed road under the act.Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.I know people who have been knocked off for using them.
John.

[isuzurover]

How True,

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1098.jpg

the reversing lights on the Hilux above are clearly and totally illegal,
....

How so??? I cannot see anything in the ADRs that would automatically render them illegal.

[ugu80]

He has repressed roof rack lightuality, they're always the most critical until they accept their lightuality.

Or perhaps its just light envy, because he only has small ones.

[newhue]

Hhhmmm I'm not lame, but I must be tight. I have two povo narva spread beams on the front bar. They do me for the amount I driving I do at night. And doesn't bother me at all if they get knocked off or smashed.

But I do like that lame defender look.

[gusthedog]

Or perhaps its just light envy, because he only has small ones.

So envious! Wait you're getting to me.. Feel my resitance to roof lights slipping... must conform.... and be lame... :D

Good one guys :BigThumb: You fight for your right to be lame ;) There's no need to be ashamed. Well there is but I was trying to be nice.:p

[isuzurover]

So envious! Wait you're getting to me.. Feel my resitance to roof lights slipping... must conform.... and be lame... :D

Good one guys :BigThumb: You fight for your right to be lame ;) There's no need to be ashamed. Well there is but I was trying to be nice.:p

So are these guys lame?
http://www.24sec.net/images/lib/Legal%20photos/Serbia_Mont/Kamaz%20Dakar-Truck%20%28difflock.com%29.jpg
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
Their lights are mounted above roof level on a normal 4x4...

[gusthedog]

So are these guys lame?
http://www.24sec.net/images/lib/Legal%20photos/Serbia_Mont/Kamaz%20Dakar-Truck%20%28difflock.com%29.jpg
http://www.24sec.net/images/lib/Legal%20photos/Serbia_Mont/Kamaz%20Dakar-Truck%20%28difflock.com%29.jpg
Their lights are mounted above roof level on a normal 4x4...

Normal 4wd? :Rolling: Do you live along the Dakar route or do people turn up at the local shopping centre in these sort of trucks where you live?

No the trucks' not lame. Wait am I now the 'Lameness' detector for AULRO? I accept. Also lame are blue covers on your driving lights, fluffy white dogs, tyres over 32 inches, 'sports utes' (which are as pointless as boobs on the preverbial) and lycra whilst riding a pushbike if you are fat (losing 20kg might make you go faster first):wasntme:. Anything else that anyone wants to offer up for me to determine its level of lameness?

[bee utey]

How so??? I cannot see anything in the ADRs that would automatically render them illegal.

Too bright!

Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 1/00 - Reversing Lamps) 2005 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2005L03873)


6. INTENSITY OF LIGHT EMITTED
6.1. The intensity of the light emitted by each of the two samples shall be not less than the minima and not greater than the maxima specified below and shall be measured in relation to the axis of reference in the directions shown below (expressed in degrees of angle with the axis of reference).
6.2. The intensity along the axis of reference shall be not less than 80 candelas.
6.3. The intensity of the light emitted in all directions in which the light can be observed shall not exceed
300 candelas in directions in or above the horizontal plane; or
600 candelas in directions below the horizontal plane.
6.4. In every other direction of measurement shown in annex 3 to this Regulation the luminous intensity shall be not less than the minima specified in that annex. However, in the case where the reversing lamp is intended to be installed on a vehicle exclusively in a pair of devices, the photometric intensity may be verified only up to an angle of 30 degrees inwards where a photometric value of at least 25 cd shall be satisfied.
This condition shall be clearly explained in the application for approval and relating documents (see paragraph 2 of this Regulation).
Moreover, in the case where the type approval will be granted applying the condition above, a statement in paragraph 11 "Comments" of the communication form (see annex 1 to this Regulation), will inform that the device shall only be installed in a pair.
6.5. In the case of a single lamp containing more than one light source, the lamp shall comply with the minimum intensity required when any one light source has failed and when all light sources are illuminated the maximum intensities shall not be exceeded.

[isuzurover]

Normal 4wd? :Rolling: Do you live along the Dakar route or do people turn up at the local shopping centre in these sort of trucks where you live?



You misunderstood. I wasn't calling the Kamaz a normal 4x4, I was saying that the centreline of the spotlights on the Kamaz is higher than the centreline of roof mounted spotlights on a normal 4x4 (the ones we are talking about).

FWIW, I don't have roof mounted lights and never have, but I can understand the argument that they provide improved illumination.



Too bright!

Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 1/00 - Reversing Lamps) 2005 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2005L03873)

I am impressed that you can tell how bright they are, even though they are in the off position!

[ugu80]

lycra whilst riding a pushbike

MAMIL's::eek2: Now that is lame:thumbsdown:

[bee utey]

Honestly you lot. You'd almost believe you aren't secure in your adulthood. :p
Lycra is essential wear for serious cycling, not optional. As a committed MAMIL I ride in lycra cos jeans, you know, CHAFE. Gettoverit FFS.:):):)

[bee utey]

I am impressed that you can tell how bright they are, even though they are in the off position!

Do they have marks showing they comply with ADR1/00? I seriously doubt it. Would a Hilux owner fit 5 watt globes to make sure they comply? HaHaHa!!!

[Jeff]

Mate, Its going fantastic, I love it. Fitted bigger Intercooler & 3" hotdog inplace of muffler & it is sweet as, Pulls the van like a train . And the Airconditioning upgrade is so good , Dont think I could ever get rid of it.

Airconditioning upgrade?

[ugu80]

Honestly you lot. You'd almost believe you aren't secure in your adulthood. :p
Lycra is essential wear for serious cycling, not optional. As a committed MAMIL I ride in lycra cos jeans, you know, CHAFE. Gettoverit FFS.:):):)

MAMIL's are an abomination, offensive to the eye, visual pollution on a scale beyond comprehension or understanding, an aberration of contemporary civilisation for which we will forever be ridiculed by future generations who will treat early 21st century western culture with mock, scorn and derision, all advances and wondrous achievements forgotten and ignored by the spectacularly overwhelming horror of Middle Aged Men In Lycra.

[gusthedog]

MAMIL's are an abomination, offensive to the eye, visual pollution on a scale beyond comprehension or understanding, an aberration of contemporary civilisation for which we will forever be ridiculed by future generations who will treat early 21st century western culture with mock, scorn and derision, all advances and wondrous achievements forgotten and ignored by the spectacularly overwhelming horror of Middle Aged Men In Lycra.

And I decree that they are lame!:D

[ugu80]

There is another MAMIL - Middle Aged Men In Leathers. They can only be seen in fine weather. Their natural environment is a cafe on a winding road, like the Mt White Cafe where the can be seen sipping coffee while wearing humped back, baggy arsed, spew patterned Dainese racing leathers, multi-coloured Casey Stoner Alpine Star GP boots and nursing a fluoro streaked replica of some GP rider Shark helmet. One trait of the leathers is the loose fit in all areas except the abdomen, where it is skin tight.

[gusthedog]

Qld's take on LED light bars (still can't find anything for Victoria):

http://www.cviaq.com.au/PDFs/VSI%20HV25.0%20Driving%20Lamps.pdf

And sorry for those who have discussed this before:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/159306-qld-tmr-laws-led-light-bars.html

I should have checked before posting

Draft ADR on LEDs

http://www.google.com.au/url'sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.comlaw.gov.au%2FDetails%2FF20 07L02589%2F4ed361b6-ad56-4edc-9016-391d52cc10c0&ei=yIsUUaS3FYShkgXEp4HoAg&usg=AFQjCNG0SfmoSC38PwJIrbI60DRQEcGgPg&sig2=4vrvDvWbrR1QNXzCxf7uYg

.

[TD50WA]

Mmmmm.....seems from these comments that "you will be assimilated- individuality is a crime"

If I ride a cycle, can't wear hi-vis appropriate cycle clothing, must wear trendy inappropriate clothing - otherwise lame:(

If I ride my motorbike, can't wear anything but black....even though the "lame" brightly coloured stuff gives a better hi- vis to car drivers....and god help me if I'm not taut trim and terriffic.... I'm lame:(

Must only modify my D2 in certain ways....we must get an "approved" list of permissible UN-LAME modifications, because I can't seem to find it on the forum:(....... Doesn't appear to matter about the functionality of the lame item....

Ohhhh nooooo, have I bought the wrong land rover?:o.....oh I hope I'm not lame....the shame of it....:(....oh my god! I have two land rovers....what AM I going to do if they are BOTH lame????:eek:

Bugger it....:mad: I'm just going to have to suffer the "lame" tag.....:D:D:D:D:D

Cheers all
The Lame one:D:D:D

[gusthedog]

Mmmmm.....seems from these comments that "you will be assimilated- individuality is a crime"

If I ride a cycle, can't wear hi-vis appropriate cycle clothing, must wear trendy inappropriate clothing - otherwise lame:(

If I ride my motorbike, can't wear anything but black....even though the "lame" brightly coloured stuff gives a better hi- vis to car drivers....and god help me if I'm not taut trim and terriffic.... I'm lame:(

Must only modify my D2 in certain ways....we must get an "approved" list of permissible UN-LAME modifications, because I can't seem to find it on the forum:(....... Doesn't appear to matter about the functionality of the lame item....

Ohhhh nooooo, have I bought the wrong land rover?:o.....oh I hope I'm not lame....the shame of it....:(....oh my god! I have two land rovers....what AM I going to do if they are BOTH lame????:eek:

Bugger it....:mad: I'm just going to have to suffer the "lame" tag.....:D:D:D:D:D

Cheers all
The Lame one:D:D:D

Just remember, lycra is a privalege, not a right. And individuality is fine. Just don't wear lycra if you're massively obese. I don't need to see that dude!:p

And for anything else you'd like to check in regards to its degree of lameness, I'm happy to oblige.:D Land Rovers don't fit the lame category although you can have lame accessories. Anyone heard of roof rack lights?.......

[ugu80]

And for anything else you'd like to check in regards to its degree of lameness, I'm happy to oblige.:D Land Rovers don't fit the lame category although you can have lame accessories. Anyone heard of roof rack lights?.......
And the circle is complete.

[Disco Muppet]

Normal 4wd? :Rolling: Do you live along the Dakar route or do people turn up at the local shopping centre in these sort of trucks where you live?

No the trucks' not lame. Wait am I now the 'Lameness' detector for AULRO? I accept. Also lame are blue covers on your driving lights, fluffy white dogs, tyres over 32 inches, 'sports utes' (which are as pointless as boobs on the preverbial) and lycra whilst riding a pushbike if you are fat (losing 20kg might make you go faster first):wasntme:. Anything else that anyone wants to offer up for me to determine its level of lameness?

Tombie and Slunnie will be along shortly to have a "chat" ;)

[redrovertdi]

Was "Gusthedog" neutered in his sleep? get some testosterone tablets and a light bar for that disco2, then i dare you to drive it off road-try something new...you could even wear lycra:D

[Homestar]

Wait am I now the 'Lameness' detector for AULRO? I accept. Also lame are blue covers on your driving lights, fluffy white dogs, tyres over 32 inches, 'sports utes' (which are as pointless as boobs on the ) and lycra whilst riding a pushbike if you are fat (losing 20kg might make you go faster first):wasntme:. Anything else that anyone wants to offer up for me to determine its level of lameness?

What's wrong with fluffy white dogs? 2 of my favourite dogs are fluffy and white (my old neighbours dogs). Although I don't have one, I do own a small dog and proudly walk her around the street and down the beach. Is that lame? I suppose you think a mans dog needs to be big and angry?

Keep going mate, I want to know what else you think is lame...:D

And no, you have not been appointed the lameness detector here, that job belongs to someone on the Hilux forum...:D

And I really think that deep down, you still want your driving lights on the roof. It's ok to admit it here, you're among friends.

Cheers - Gav.:)

[bob10]

try something new...you could even wear lycra:D

Not in this lifetime, Bob:D

[isuzurover]

What's wrong with fluffy white dogs? 2 of my favourite dogs are fluffy and white ...

Indeed.

Neither is this fluffy white dog lame:
http://bird.net.au/bird/images/4/4f/Middle_island_maremma_project_dog341.jpg
http://bird.net.au/bird/images/4/4f/Middle_island_maremma_project_dog341.jpg

He is protecting these little guys from the cunning red guys...
http://bird.net.au/bird/images/6/6b/Middle_island_maremma_project_fox341.jpg
http://bird.net.au/bird/images/6/6b/Middle_island_maremma_project_fox341.jpg

[bob10]

Keep going mate, I want to know what else you think is lame...

Cheers - Gav.:)
Well, when I was a kid in central Qld, we had a horse that went lame, Dad shot it, does that mean when have to shoot the lame people, or the lame Land Rovers? What a lot of bull****, Bob

[gusthedog]

Only having some fun fellas. Keep your pants on! Fluffy dogs are not lame ok? Fat dudes in lycra are scary as though:)

At least you know your lights are legal. And slunnie and tombie - was only joking bout the fluffy dogs :D I've seen a photo of tombie and don't want to make him angry!

But I'll never be a fan of roof lights, even if they are legal ;)

Don't like chequer plate on defenders either! But each to their own. The world would be boring if we were all the same.

And good work isuzurover on keeping the foxes under control.

[drivesafe]

Hi folks and an interesting thread, especially the different lame categories.

Anyway, back on subject.

About 5 or so years back, the ADRs did not allow for roof mounted lights. So Chrysler Aust applied for a change and after about two years, the application was accepted and the rules were changed.

So we roof mounted light users can thank Jeeps for getting the rules changed.

Next, ADRs are not law in each state unless that state adopts the specific rule or there own version of it.

This means you need to get the specific rules for each state you live in from that state’s road authority.

For Queenslanders, there has never been a height restriction on driving light mounting.

Now up until 2000, I lived in NSW and at that time it was illegal to have roof mounted lights.

But I have used roof mounted lights for more than 30 years now and in all that time I was only “warned” about them when I was pulled up at an RBT check point.

After being warned, I made my roof light bar a Quick-Fit-&-Remove set up so I didn’t draw attention to the lights during daylight and I still use it that way for convenience.

For those who think these lights are nothing but a lame accessory, you obviously have never been in a vehicle at night fitted with these lights.

They are the greatest single improvement you can make to make night driving safer and easier.

I no longer fit bumper mounted lights because they just can’t supply the light spread that roof lights give and I use to run up to 6 x 130w bumper mounted lights, even ran a pair of 250w landing lights for a few years.

I now run nothing more than 4 x 55w roof mounted Hella 181s and these give far more light coverage than all the bumper lights can give because of one single advantage, roof lights light up the road ahead of what you can see so you see problems much sooner.

A second advantage is that roof lights can be set to up to “see around corners”, a great advantage for off roading or on winding roads.

[Marshall]

Have not read every thread... Rather stick a needle in my eye, as lame as that sounds...

I apologise if this has been covered, but I recall reading a reg somewhere that you can put blanking covers over the lights when not in use, thus avoiding the police booking you or warning you even when the lights are not in use...?

Also, when touring between states, I imagine you would have to know that particular states laws regarding lights...?

At the end of the day, this is actually a common thread of confusion across all 4x4 fora...

[ugu80]

Don't like chequer plate on defenders either!
Oh no! I'm lame too. The horror.....the horror.

[kenleyfred]

I can't believe nobody else has found this. Working the country areas of South Africa about twenty years ago I had roof mounted lights on the bakkie (ute). They were terrible. Only on the absolute clearest of nights were they any good. Otherwise they reflected back at you off dust, rain,insects in fact anything in the atmosphere and were a huge distraction.
Perhaps the air is cleaner here, and for slow work I can see their benefit. But my experience turned me off them.
Kenley

[drivesafe]

They were terrible. Only on the absolute clearest of nights were they any good. Otherwise they reflected back at you off dust, rain,insects in fact anything in the atmosphere and were a huge distraction.

Thats strange because it was the poor road conditions and different whether situations that I had to drive through, for many years, in the north west region of NSW that was the main reason I opted for roof lights.

And as posted earlier, they are a great improvement over bumper mounted driving lights, with one exception, in fog. But then again, bumper lights of any for are of no use in fog either.

[VladTepes]

Then of course there's the whole argument between "fitted" and "in use".

You may be able to argue they are for off-road not on-road use only.

[TD50WA]

As I said, led bar lights on a rack are fantastic. There are plenty of videos on utube that demonstrate their effectiveness.

Kev

[goingbush]

I'm guessing if you have lights on a roof bar you will have to paint your bonnet matt black to avoid the glare.

[drivesafe]

Hi goingbush and no, if you paint the bonnet with matt or flat black paint you will actually make the problem worse.

Matt or flat paint will cause more light to be reflected back at the driver.

There are two simple ways to stop bonnet and bullbar back reflections.

The method I use is to move the roof lights back alone the roof, far enough so the light clears the bonnet and if fitted, the top of the bullbar.

The other way is to fit reflectors under each roof light, just like they do on locomoives with high mounted spot lights.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/974.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/975.jpg


https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/972.jpg

[TD50WA]

I found that any bonnet light is irrelevant as the road is so well lit up the bonnet doesn't interfere with vision anyway.....

[Sparksdisco]

The other way is to fit reflectors under each roof light, just like they do on locomoives with high mounted spot lights.






https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/972.jpg

It clearly did not help the train drive see he was going to derail:p:p:p

He must of been distracted by the glare:p:p:p:p

[Homestar]

Only having some fun fellas. Keep your pants on! Fluffy dogs are not lame ok? Fat dudes in lycra are scary as though:)

At least you know your lights are legal. And slunnie and tombie - was only joking bout the fluffy dogs :D I've seen a photo of tombie and don't want to make him angry!

But I'll never be a fan of roof lights, even if they are legal ;)

Don't like chequer plate on defenders either! But each to their own. The world would be boring if we were all the same.

And good work isuzurover on keeping the foxes under control.

All good mate. If we all liked everything the same on our cars it would be a boring world.:)

Despite my looking I cannot now find anything to suggest these lights would be illegal, so on that point, I'm happy. I'll print a copy of this thread out and keep it in my glovebox in case plod hassles me about them...:D

Cheers - Gav.

[drivesafe]

It clearly did not help the train drive see he was going to derail:p:p:p

He must of been distracted by the glare:p:p:p:p

Hi Sparky and it was actually a NASA special that had to be routed down an old track because the train consist, the Shuttle equipment, was out of gauge ( too wide to allow oncoming trains to pass ).

Unfortunately, a bridge had been damaged and the locos came unstuck.

[goingbush]

How so??? I cannot see anything in the ADRs that would automatically render them illegal.
ADR's pertaining to reversing lights
Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 1/00 - Reversing Lamps) 2005 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2005L03873)

Bear in mind average car headlight is 50,000 candela +/- 10,000 or so , (The Hilux has two driving lights pointing backwards)


from ADR's
6.2. The intensity along the axis of reference shall be not less than 80 candelas.
6.3. The intensity of the light emitted in all directions in which the light can be observed shall not exceed
300 candelas in directions in or above the horizontal plane; or
600 candelas in directions below the horizontal plane.

[TD50WA]

Re those rear facing spotties on the hilux...

My experience over the years with ploddy is some don't care, some don't know, some are over keen and pick on everything.....

Funny thing is, usually we are complaining about getting picked on....now the issue is they WEREN'T picked on...:D:D:D:D poor ploddy cant win.....:o:o:D:D:D

To me, they are quite obviously overkill and should be at least covered whilst on road.....he obviously has the lights to blind drivers behind he feels ****ed at for some reason.....the main reason, and a very small part of the reason for reversing....imagine getting those in the face at close range @ 110kmh on a winding road....hello trees...:o

[stallie]

Why does this

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/859.jpg

remind me of this

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/

(The queen monster from that terrible movie Starship Troopers).

[TD50WA]

Why does this

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/attachments/f7/19701d1289908997-light-upgrades-bob.jpg

remind me of this

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/15317/925981-brain_bug_super.jpg

(The queen monster from that terrible movie Starship Troopers).

Seriously, someone was taking the **** when that queen monster was created....:D:D:D:D....

I'm lame because I like roof lights, but those bonnet jobbies :eek::eek::eek:

[ThoBar]

I'm intending to fit roof lights purely for the advantage they offer when driving in dunes or similar at night.

Bullbar mounted lights are useless when they point directly into a dune, blinding you, and illuminating nothing over the crest. I've done and do enough of this driving that I think they are worthwhile. Having said that, for my purposes, a set of low wattage lights is fine, not face melters.

[drivesafe]

a set of low wattage lights is fine, not face melters.

Could not agree more.

My first set ups run 100w and then 130w but about 8 or 9 years ago, I swapped all to 55w and they are just as good as the higher wattage globes.

One word of caution for any one considering roof mounted lights, once fitted you will probably not fit in those under cover car parks like you use to.

[digger]

7.3.4. Position:

7.3.4.1. In width no individual specifications.

7.3.4.2. In height: no individual specifications.

7.3.4.3. In length: at the front of the vehicle and fitted in such a way that the light emitted does not cause discomfort to the driver either directly or indirectly through the rear-view mirrors and/or other reflecting surfaces of the vehicle.

7.3.5. Geometric visibility:

This means that the lights fitted MUST be fitted at the front of the vehicle, ie a position that is equal or in front of the headlights,

This is the case law definition that is current in SA, and as such you can have roof mounted spot lights so long as your roof rack is out equal or in front of your headlights.

The on the road enforcement here is two fold, there is a TIN, (traffic infringement notice) for incorrectly fitted lights (not commonly used but easily brougt into play if the punter behaves badly) and of course the defect that would also follow.

End of story, emergency vehicles obviously have an exemption.

[ThoBar]

Last I checked, they are fine in WA so long as they are not used in standard road situations. i.e. Not for normal highway spotlights. They need to be separately switched and covered when not in use.

I have to agree with a previous post questioning the worth of some of the regs regarding this sort of thing.

[mick88]

Could not agree more.

My first set ups run 100w and then 130w but about 8 or 9 years ago, I swapped all to 55w and they are just as good as the higher wattage globes.

One word of caution for any one considering roof mounted lights, once fitted you will probably not fit in those under cover car parks like you use to.
Have to agree!
I find that 55 watt lights are good in the bush and don't blow anywhere near as easily as 100 watt (or higher wattage) do on unsealed corrugated surfaces after many hours of use.
To be honest it doesn't really worry me where people want to mount their lights...after all it's their vehicle, but I often think to myself that they must have to put up with so much glare from the bonnet etc.
I get enough glare from my headlights off the bull bar.
Cast your mind back 20-25 years and all of the bonnets on F100 ambulances in Vic and NSW had matt black bonnets to reduce glare!
Dills driving around with high intensity fog lights on non foggy nights drive me mad, as does cars with high beam on during daytime.

[barney]

You probably need to visit the glossary of terms I that document. Definitions are everything. Headlights, fog lights, clearance lights, work lights, reversing lights are all notably dependanton what type of light they are, but also how they are switched. You may find that a worklight needs. Be switched from outside of the vehicle when it is stationary to be legal. It this instance, your rear facing light could be on your roof rack.