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DeanoH
7th February 2013, 09:56 PM
If there's one common trait across all Land Rovers it's their ability to return hydrocarbon (and other) fluids back to the earth from whence they came.:D

Sort of enviromentally friendly before it became trendy.:p

Of the many fluid leaks your Landy may develop a leaking steering box is perhaps the least often repaired with replacement a common option, often at vast expense $600+. :o
I've read various posts justifying this action as "by the time the seals leak the box is stuffed anyway" or "not worth the effort for a second rate result" or "way too hard, better to buy a new one". :wasntme:
What a load of crap !!

Many LR steering boxes leak because the lower seal(s) have failed due to old age. The steering box is quite fine. Seal kits are available, either a complete kit which has oodles of seals, most you'll never use or a bottom seal kit. Google and eBay is your friend. :) For $40 - $60 you'll have all the bits (and more) than you'll need, and this is for a quality Corteco seal kit.:)

I've done 3 now, one each in a '88 Classic, a '95 Defender and a '94 D1. All had '4 bolt' steering boxes.

Mrs. Beeton was credited in her 'Jugged Hare' recipie as saying , ............ first catch your hare. :o Well, in this case.......... first remove your steering box.:)

Steering Box Removal

I'm not going to cover this (remove/refit) in any detail, but park your LR on a good flat surface with the steering wheel in an exact straight ahead position. Hopefully your wheels are pretty well straight ahead also. Disconnect the drag link from the end of the Pitman arm (remove split pin, loosen off bolt and belt opposite sides of Pitman arm simultaneously with big hammers will do the job. If a problem use bigger hammers :D). Next remove the 3 bolts (and nuts if fitted) from the steering shaft uni joints and pull back steering shaft from steering box. Remove RH end of Panhard rod and check bolt, it's probably stuffed (funny how the High Tensile bolt wears but the bush remains OK :confused: ).
Next undo the 2 hydraulic lines from the top of the steering box making sure there's a suitable container underneath to catch the 500ml or so of steering fluid that will leak out.

There's now 4 bolts through the front chassis rail (which may or may not have locking tabs) to remove (can help to remove front RHS wheel but be careful not to alter wheel straight ahead position) and two bolts under the steering box connecting to a cast bracket. :D

The steering box will now drop on your head if you're not carefull, so take care. :)

Place the steering box in a leak proof container as it will be leaking red fluid all over the place. Now's a good time to clean/gurnie it if neccessary.

Steering Box Bottom Seal Replacement

The upside down steering box/Pitman arm looks like this

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1110.jpg

Flatten out the tab washer and remove the big nut. It can be a bit of a bugger to remove the Pitman arm from the steering box output shaft. The same two hammer method (as ball joint removal) often works and can be done in situ before removing the steering box if you wish. You don't have to worry about marking the Pitman arms position on the shaft as there's master splines that take care of this.

Worst case get one of these Piman arm pullers from Repco/Supacheap/Bursons etc for around $25.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1111.jpg

You may have to grind approx 1mm or so from the bottom to fit it as shown. note. the bottom dust seal has been cut off to allow fitting of the puller.

If you go down this route don't just tighten the puller bolt until the casting breaks :o. Tighten and belt the sides of the pitman arm with previously mentioned large hammers to 'flex' the tapered Pitman arm steering output shaft untill it frees.

With the outer dust seal removed it will look something like this.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1112.jpg

Next remove the circlip, easily said but it can truly be a 'Jesus spring' if you're not careful. Two people, one with circlip pliers and one with a couple of small screwdrivers is handy here.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1113.jpg

What we have here is the circlip removed and two 3mm holes drilled into the outer seal so that it can be 'jagged' up and outward so a thin bladed screwdriver can be used to remove it.

Under this may be a thin fibrous washer that is easily removed (not all steering box's have this spacer/washer).

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1114.jpg

Under this is the actual seal that is leaking and causing all your problems. It is easily 'jagged' out with a small screwdriver.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1115.jpg

When it's all cleaned up it looks like this.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1116.jpg

Here's a shot showing the bits in order of removal with the replacement bits underneath. note. the new (blue) seal replaces the old seal AND the fibrous spacer/washer.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1117.jpg

Next carefully fit the blue seal as shown taking care not to damage its lip. I used a smear of Power Steering Fluid here as a lubricant.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1118.jpg

Tamping the seal down with a piece of toothbrush handle ensures no damage and that the seal seats correctly.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1119.jpg

Next comes the outer seal, note the inner rubber 'flange' on the seal points outward.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1120.jpg

Refit the circlip (not shown).

The dust cover comes next and fits this way.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1121.jpg

NOT this way.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1122.jpg

When its all done it looks like this.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2013/02/1110.jpg

Which is pretty much what we started with, except it now doesn't leak. :D

Re-fit Steering Box.

Same as removal basically, just make sure the steering wheel is in EXACTLY the same position as prior to removal of steering box when inserting the lower spline of the steering shaft into the steering box and all is sweet. :D

Refill reservoir with new Power Steering Fluid, run engine, top up fluid and all is good. note. keep cap on power steering fluid reservoir or it will spurt all over the place as air is expelled from the system.

The whole job takes about 4 hours (depending on Pitman arm removal) and is not particularly difficult though it can be a bit fiddly removing the outer seal and is a hell of a lot cheaper fix at <$60 vs. >$600 for a new one. :D



Deano :)

Charlie's brother
17th April 2013, 12:16 PM
Thankyou for this matter of fact article, you have simplified the whole process. I will get onto it this weekend. Nick

Kevin B
17th April 2013, 12:56 PM
yes thanks Friend, i will have a go at it as well once i get a kit

Dougal
17th April 2013, 01:51 PM
Great article.

For the more adventurous, this job can be performed in-situ and upside-down from the photos. Just be careful about all the fluid that can come gushing out.

Old Farang
17th April 2013, 02:19 PM
The only problem with just replacing the seal is that very often the shaft is worn / grooved where the seal runs. The shaft can be reclaimed by metal spraying and machining it back to standard. Which is of coarse a much bigger job.

Homestar
17th April 2013, 07:51 PM
Great article.

For the more adventurous, this job can be performed in-situ and upside-down from the photos. Just be careful about all the fluid that can come gushing out.

Did that with mine - apart from a bit of crap that falls down, it is not too hard to do in situ.

fonfe
23rd April 2013, 07:46 PM
Very little cost In buying a seal kit and fitting. If you discover during fitting that there is scoring the new seal kit will still last a little while, giving you time to source another box. I'd always try the seal kit first!
Did it in situ on my RRC and hasn't leaked since (nearly a year ago done nearly 8k since then)
One point I will add though is if the arm doesn't come off, put a puller on it, wind it up as much as you can without breaking the puller then beat the living hell out of the side of the arm by the splines. Be warned though.....when it lets go you may need to change your pants! Mine went with such a loud bang I thought it was a car crash outside haha

Kevin B
14th May 2013, 06:53 AM
Did this on the weekend without removing the box from the vehicle, was an easy fix and no more leak....

thanks for posting, it was very helpful

Gina
11th September 2013, 12:03 PM
Not for the faint hearted I think.

The socket for the big nut on the bottom is 7/8 BS ( don't know what that is in metric. )
I used a ring spanner. I had a four foot long piece of pipe over the end and with a lot of effort cracked the nut. Its is very very tight.

Now I have a three jaw puller on the pitman arm and have it done up tight and hit the pitman arm on either side simultaneously with a hammer and it doesn't budge. it too is very very tight.

I suspect a leak on the input shaft as well. Which I might also try in situ ...but feeling a change over might have been the go except they are very expensive.

R Miller
11th September 2013, 04:08 PM
I just purchased a 2nd hand one, when it arrives my plan is to open it up, reseal it then put it in, I cant afford my car off the road for to long, ill probably reseal my leaky box once I have a non leaky one in place,

can never have to many spares

Blknight.aus
11th September 2013, 05:42 PM
Always check the freeplay and preload Prior to pulling the box...

if youve got play in the box or on the shaft while its out is a good time to sort it....

Hall
12th September 2013, 06:54 PM
As I posted else where. I did the lower seal on a three bolt power steering box in situ. Not as good set up as the four bolt. No back up seal, just the main one and no dust seal. I had one issue where the eye of the circlip broke of. New seal was a cup seal as well but a slightly different profile so sealed on a fresh bit of shaft. Used the old seal as a dust seal between the pitman arm and the circlip. May have had a dust seal originally as there was room enough for the old seal.
Cheers Hall

Gina
18th September 2013, 05:54 PM
I broke one of the pitman arm pullers pictured trying to get mine off.

Heat and a heavy hammer were needed, off car of course.

robert.bisset
31st October 2013, 07:52 PM
Has anyone done an input shaft seal? as mine is cactus.

bluelandy
12th January 2017, 09:36 AM
Thanks for the tutorial exactly what i was looking for,cheers.

davesquirrel
30th January 2018, 03:19 PM
If there's one common trait across all Land Rovers it's their ability to return hydrocarbon (and other) fluids back to the earth from whence they came.:D



Ahhhh! This is the thread I couldn't find before asking over on the Perentie forum.

Any chance of the pictures still being locatable Dean?

Ive got a leak from the top of my Gemmer box (now handily identified thanks to some acrobatic phone usage).

DeanoH
30th January 2018, 04:40 PM
Hi David, I've been trying to do just that since scumbucket decided to screw over their 'customers', I can't even access my own scumbucket files anymore but I've located a backup on my old server which might get me there. It's just a matter of carefully working an ancient WinXP machine and finding which picture matches which spot in the original thread. :)

Deano :)

Roverlord off road spares
30th January 2018, 05:57 PM
I broke one of the pitman arm pullers pictured trying to get mine off.

Heat and a heavy hammer were needed, off car of course.
I had one of those supecheap pitman arm pullers and it broke, then I went and hired a proper one, and it did the job, both pullers looked the same physically but the quality of the tool was definitely different.

Repeater
17th June 2019, 01:30 PM
Does anyone know how I can get access to the photos in this article. It seems like a good description and something I’m going to have to do in the next few weeks. Can’t seem to get the photos so show though. All I get is a place holder image asking me to upgrade my account.

Fattima
17th June 2019, 03:05 PM
Images are on Photobucket and it is no longer free, from Wikipedia "As of June 30, 2017, Photobucket dropped its free hosting service, and requires a US$99 annual subscription to allow external linking to all hosted images, or a US$399 annual subscription to allow the embedding of images on third-party websites, such as personal blogs and forums." might pay to PM the OP and ask for a copy of the images.

Repeater
17th June 2019, 06:00 PM
Images are on Photobucket and it is no longer free, from Wikipedia "As of June 30, 2017, Photobucket dropped its free hosting service, and requires a US$99 annual subscription to allow external linking to all hosted images, or a US$399 annual subscription to allow the embedding of images on third-party websites, such as personal blogs and forums." might pay to PM the OP and ask for a copy of the images.

Yep thanks. Have done so.

Blknight.aus
17th June 2019, 06:52 PM
Does anyone know how I can get access to the photos in this article. It seems like a good description and something I’m going to have to do in the next few weeks. Can’t seem to get the photos so show though. All I get is a place holder image asking me to upgrade my account.

Theres a magic trick the original poster has to do to download all the images....

Lets go one better, I know a guy..
If you're willing to buy the parts, wait till I get back from my ski trip at the end of the month and for my apprentice to go back to his mum And you're willing to hold the camera and take the notes I reckon you can twist my arm into doing a freebie for you.


Images are on Photobucket and it is no longer free, from Wikipedia "As of June 30, 2017, Photobucket dropped its free hosting service, and requires a US$99 annual subscription to allow external linking to all hosted images, or a US$399 annual subscription to allow the embedding of images on third-party websites, such as personal blogs and forums." might pay to PM the OP and ask for a copy of the images.

Theres a magic trick the original poster has to do to download all the images....

I pulled about 1000 images out of my account and now just have to go back through and find where they go... Im just waiting on someone to try and correct a spelling mistake on one of the threads Ive posted up with missing pictures so I can make them go through and do all the corrections and insertions.

Repeater
18th June 2019, 07:59 AM
That sounds like a very generous offer. Perhaps I’ll see how I go. I’ve asked Dean to send me the photos and once I have them I’ll recompile the thread (with his permission) with the text and photos and attempt to repost or share. Failing that I might take you up on the offer.

Repeater
8th July 2019, 01:52 PM
Yep thanks. Have done so.

For those interested in the original (and complete) post from Dean it has been recompiled with the photos and can be access for the reasonably foreseeable future at the following link.


http://users.tpg.com.au/petermoglia/Repairing_a_Leaking_Steering_Box.pdf


Happy to send a copy if you have any access issues.

Cheers,

Peter