Its Time :(

[mattadelaide1975]

Well its time to say goodbye to my 2004 D2a V8. Not because there is anything wrong with her, she runs like a pure dream.... but because.... and you all know it... she is hungry :(

The ministry of finance/war has declared that I cant keep pouring money into the fuel bill and to look for an alternative.

Of course the Alternative is going to be a TD5 :)

Now just to move the V8 on and to purchase a TD5.

[Disco Muppet]

Don OffTrack and the Td5 Mafia will be pleased :D
Good luck!

[Eevo]

the finance dept will soon want to know why your late to everything

[mattadelaide1975]

the joys of being married to an accountant :(

At the end of the day, I need something that is my daily driver, which I can drive all over Adelaide on a daily basis for work, and isnt going to require me re-mortgaging my house just to put fuel in it.

[twr7cx]

Unless you do a lot of km or manage to sell your V8 at an inflated price/find a TD5 for cheap, you'll probably find the extra expense of changing from V8 to TD5 could of just been put towards the fuel costs... Plus you'll be starting all over again with an unknown vehicle with who knows what potential problems vs. a machine your familiar with...

[mattadelaide1975]

Unless you do a lot of km or manage to sell your V8 at an inflated price/find a TD5 for cheap, you'll probably find the extra expense of changing from V8 to TD5 could of just been put towards the fuel costs... Plus you'll be starting all over again with an unknown vehicle with who knows what potential problems vs. a machine your familiar with...

Good points.

And yes I do a lot of Kim's. At the moment I am averaging $600 a month in fuel costs. Which is unsustainable.

I understand the pitfalls of changing vehicles. But that is just another chapter in the ownership of a disco.

[sheerluck]

Good points.

And yes I do a lot of Kim's. At the moment I am averaging $600 a month in fuel costs. Which is unsustainable.

I understand the pitfalls of changing vehicles. But that is just another chapter in the ownership of a disco.

You must be doing a lot of Kms to rack up that kind of fuel bill. Can understand why you'd want to change.

[twr7cx]

You must be doing a lot of Kms to rack up that kind of fuel bill. Can understand why you'd want to change.

Fair enough then. The diesel would probably save you about $2,000.00 a year in fuel costs then.

[brenno]

And yes I do a lot of Kim's. At the moment I am averaging $600 a month in fuel costs.

Three letters will get you sorted...

L
P
G

The amount you're spending on fuel, it would be what, 6 months (12 max) til it's paid for itself??

You then keep your Disco (which you know) rather than buying something which you'll have to spend money on, it'll be cheaper to run than a diesel, and you keep the power you're used to also.

[brougham]

Yeah I've got sequential injected LPG on my V8 D2a and comparing usage vs pricing its equating to approx 8-8.5 L/100 at petrol pricing.

More than happy with it.

[mattadelaide1975]

I should look into LPG. Do the guys with have a ball park figure of what installation costs?

[rover-56]

Price difference between selling a V8 and buying a good TD5 buys a lot of fuel.....

Terry

[ballbag]

Unless you do a lot of km or manage to sell your V8 at an inflated price/find a TD5 for cheap, you'll probably find the extra expense of changing from V8 to TD5 could of just been put towards the fuel costs... Plus you'll be starting all over again with an unknown vehicle with who knows what potential problems vs. a machine your familiar with...

Ditto. A common mistake.


Yeah I've got sequential injected LPG on my V8 D2a and comparing usage vs pricing its equating to approx 8-8.5 L/100 at petrol pricing.

More than happy with it.

Really? I'm getting 12L/100 at absolute best, counting LPG : petrol at 2:1. Average town driving is 14L/100 for me, 12L/100 on the highway.

[twr7cx]

Where are your LPG tanks sitting? Personally, I'd rather fork out for the diesel than have a tank in my boot...

[BigJon]

I should look into LPG. Do the guys with have a ball park figure of what installation costs?

Get in touch with beeutey, he is The Man in Adelaide for gas.

[sheerluck]

Get in touch with beeutey, he is The Man in Adelaide for gas.

That could have been phrased slightly more kindly.......but I think we know what you mean.

[ballbag]

Where are your LPG tanks sitting? Personally, I'd rather fork out for the diesel than have a tank in my boot...
Me? In place of the original petrol tanks.

[Tombie]

That's nothing mate... I was running $300 a week in my V8 disco when u lives in Adelaide...

How many km you pulling a month?

[brougham]

Really? I'm getting 12L/100 at absolute best, counting LPG : petrol at 2:1. Average town driving is 14L/100 for me, 12L/100 on the highway.
I get on average 16-17L/100, so by time I drop pricing to match petrol, running 8-9L/100 comparison. It's my daily driver so it does a fair whack of KM's each week and getting consistent figures.

Of course that goes out the window when off-roading but I don't care about that! :)

[mattadelaide1975]

Well have just gone out and purchased a 2002 TD5 which I am happy with. Has the complete service history, nice and tidy.

[worane]

Put gas in what you have.
My TD5 goes 10.6 lts/100 kms country driving and it costs $130.00 to fill it from empty. Regards, Nick .

[Andrew D]

Well have just gone out and purchased a 2002 TD5 which I am happy with. Has the complete service history, nice and tidy. Now just need to sell the V8.... if anyone is interested drop me a pm.

Details are in the Markets section.

Was the minister for war and finance on a RDO? :confused:

Is her name Mrs Wayne Swan because the economics you have just demonstrated appear to be void of logic.

I'm assuming you bounced this off her or are you looking forward to sleeping on the couch.

Regards
Andrew

[Eevo]

assuming TD5 is 10l/100km
assuming v8 is 15l/100km

both fuel is about $1.50/l

$600 of fuel a month in a v8 is 400l
400l in a v8 is 2667km


2667km in a TD5 is 267l
which is $400

saving $200 a month

over 1 year, $2.4k

assuming you keep the car for 3 years, the savings is 7.2k

to be in-front, the cost between the TD5 and the v8 must be less than 7.2k

matt is advertising the v8 for 15k.
if he got his TD5 for less the 22.2k he is in-front
except cause its a TD5 he is behind everyone else on the road.

[Disco Muppet]

except cause its a TD5 he is behind everyone else on the road.

What a load of twonk :censored:

[Andrew D]

matt is advertising the v8 for 15k.
if he got his TD5 for less the 22.2k he is in-front.

There is a fair bit hanging on the sale price in your assessments.

Here's more issues for consideration:-

The mechanical history of the TD5 is an unknown quantity. Sure you have log books but your own experiences and knowledge out strip a log book history.

Lets face it, the car is old already, therefore increased maintenance. And it only gets worse with age, especially past the 10 year mark.

TD5s are more expensive mechanically.

There are now two cars (assuming)with two registrations and insurances.

Yes, where was the minister for war & finance? I see a war on the horizon because the finances just took a beating.

Regards
Andrew

[mattadelaide1975]

I got the TD5 for 11.5K. The current owner wanted 12.5K but knocked him down.

The owner had the vehicle for 8 years. and has all receipts etc for work done. The car is in good condition, and I am well aware of the issues with older vehicles, and to that point so does the minister for finance. This was not a decision taken lightly, so I think the future "war" will be a mute point.

I have, prior to buying the vehicle done my homework on the vehicle. I have the receipts of all work completed, I have talked to the Mechanic who looked after the vehicle. I have had my mechanic look at the vehicle, so I have a pretty good (touch wood) idea of the current condition of the vehicle. The only reason the owner of the TD5 was selling the vehicle was because he just purchase a D4. He used his TD5 as a daily drive as well.

I know what the issues are, and I know what I "May/Will" be in for the future of the vehicle, at the end of the day isnt this the risk we all take when purchasing a vehicle?

[brenno]

except cause its a TD5 he is behind everyone else on the road.

:D:D:D

You forgot to add the LPG equation - $300 per month. So cheaper again than diesel, and so much more power. :p


What a load of twonk :censored:

Touchy, touchy. :p


There is a fair bit hanging on the sale price in your assessments.

Here's more issues for consideration:-

No centre diff lock in 2002 model vs 2004 either. Not a major deal breaker, except when the Disco heads off road.


I got the TD5 for 11.5K. The current owner wanted 12.5K but knocked him down.

Good luck to you Matt. Only you can decide on which way you go. You've chosen, us V8 owners will take the ****, leave you in our dust, and life will go on.

Now, how negotiable are you on the 2004 V8?? ;)

[Eevo]

There is a fair bit hanging on the sale price in your assessments.


yes, im assuming its a perfect world.

[Disco Muppet]

:D:D:D

Touchy, touchy. :p
us V8 owners will take the ****, leave you in our dust,

If we got an identical vehicle, but different engines (V8 vs Td5) and gave each of us 10k, I'd bet the Td5 would win ;)

Good luck OP :)

[brenno]

If we got an identical vehicle, but different engines (V8 vs Td5) and gave each of us 10k, I'd bet the Td5 would win ;)

Good luck OP :)

Sorry Muppet, I must be half asleep, I don't understand. Win what??

Unless of course you're referring to the story of the Tortoise and the Hare, in which case the Tortoise is the TD5 yeah?? :wasntme:

Honestly, jokes aside, I really don't understand what you're stating above. Distance covered by spending 10k on fuel??

[Eevo]

If we got an identical vehicle, but different engines (V8 vs Td5) and gave each of us 10k, I'd bet the Td5 would win the wooden spoon;)


i agree

[Disco Muppet]

Sorry Muppet, I must be half asleep, I don't understand. Win what??

Unless of course you're referring to the story of the Tortoise and the Hare, in which case the Tortoise is the TD5 yeah?? :wasntme:

Honestly, jokes aside, I really don't understand what you're stating above. Distance covered by spending 10k on fuel??

I.e take stock vehicle, put the 10k into whatever performance mods you want.
Then pit them against each other :twisted:

Oh and Eevo: Smartarse :p

[Dougal]

assuming TD5 is 10l/100km
assuming v8 is 15l/100km

both fuel is about $1.50/l

$600 of fuel a month in a v8 is 400l
400l in a v8 is 2667km


2667km in a TD5 is 267l
which is $400

saving $200 a month

over 1 year, $2.4k

assuming you keep the car for 3 years, the savings is 7.2k

to be in-front, the cost between the TD5 and the v8 must be less than 7.2k

matt is advertising the v8 for 15k.
if he got his TD5 for less the 22.2k he is in-front
except cause its a TD5 he is behind everyone else on the road.

Of course the price premium for the td5 doesn't evaporate in three years. Expect the price gap go grow as years pass in the diesels favour. To count that as a running cost is a bit flawed.

[Eevo]

Oh and Eevo: Smart :pyour on the ball today :)

[Eevo]

Expect the price gap go grow as years pass in the diesels favour.

in 10 years time, the d2 v8 will be 1-2k
the d2 TD5 will be???

[mattadelaide1975]

:D:D:D

You forgot to add the LPG equation - $300 per month. So cheaper again than diesel, and so much more power. :p



Touchy, touchy. :p



No centre diff lock in 2002 model vs 2004 either. Not a major deal breaker, except when the Disco heads off road.



Good luck to you Matt. Only you can decide on which way you go. You've chosen, us V8 owners will take the ****, leave you in our dust, and life will go on.

Now, how negotiable are you on the 2004 V8?? ;)

The Price is Negatiable.. PM me with what you think its worth, and we can go from there.

[Dougal]

in 10 years time, the d2 v8 will be 1-2k
the d2 TD5 will be???

$6-10k.

Here in NZ diesel P38's are going for 2-3x the price of petrol P38's ($6k for a late 90's P38, $12-18k for a diesel). Despite the petrols being higher spec and originally much more expensive.

[Eevo]

$6-10k.

Here in NZ diesel P38's are going for 2-3x the price of petrol P38's ($6k for a late 90's P38, $12-18k for a diesel). Despite the petrols being higher spec and originally much more expensive.

I would say 3-4k
Item will tell

[Dougal]

I would say 3-4k
Item will tell

If they ever get that low (40 year old series landrovers with non-original diesels often sell for more) then the V8's will be at or below scrap value.

[Eevo]

If they ever get that low (40 year old series landrovers with non-original diesels often sell for more) then the V8's will be at or below scrap value.

40 year old land rover would be a collectors item no?
the V8 would be at scrap value
so are most cars that are 20plus years old

[gusthedog]

Welcome to the D2 TD5 gang! :BigThumb:

Don't worry about all the V8 naysayers, the TD5 is a good donk. Especially in the outback :D

[Dougal]

40 year old land rover would be a collectors item no?
the V8 would be at scrap value
so are most cars that are 20plus years old

A 40 year old series with a non-original engine isn't a collectors item. It's a hunting or farm wagon.
But regardless of age or brand, I haven't seen a diesel 4wd in road legal condition sold for less than $4-5k. I see plenty advertised for less with all sorts of minor to major problems (rust, illegal mods, engine, drivetrain problems etc).
We have some directly applicable data with the disco series 1's. 300tdi models in NZ have just reached that low price bracket for the worst road legal examples and given their age and diminishing numbers, I think they'll shortly see climbing prices for those kept legal and in decent condition.
The same vehicles in V8 go for a lot less, if indeed they sell.

The figures here show 17 years is the lowest price point in a vehicles life, beyond that they get scarce and price rises.
We have seen that already with classic rangies, the online auction price for pristine ones here is $10k and rising every time a new one comes up for sale.

[Eevo]

fair enough, your opinion :)

[robbotd5]

I'd like to see a V8 pull a 2300 kg, 23 ft van for 4500 km around Victoria and return 13.5l/100 km combined. And still out drag the trucks up the hills.
Nuff said.
Regards
Robbo

[mattadelaide1975]

Well took ownership of the td5 this afternoon. Although the ride isn't as smooth as the V8. I still like it.

Will post pics in the next few days.

In regards to the perpetual V8 vs td5 war of words, there are pro's and cons for both camps, at the end of the day when I started this thread, I didn't realise it would evolve the way it has.

Am I happy with my purchase... yes....

Do I now need to sell the V8..... yes



Cheers everyone

Matt

[Eevo]

In regards to the perpetual V8 vs td5 war of words
just some friendly banter
thats all

[OffTrack]

just some friendly banter
thats all

If the D2 V8 owners would just accept that the only thing going for the V8 is the exhaust note there would be no arguments. :wasntme:









Seriously thought the V8 largely appeals the buyers looking for a cheap weekend plaything to mod or take off road. I suspect that you might see a situation in 10-20 years where a V8 in really good condition fetches decent money.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

A V8 will always sell,, even in its dotage as there will always be young kids that want a V8 to go play,, wheras people that buy a rattler buy it for a totally different reason, and that reason will force then to buy something thats newer, something that has resale, something that their wallett can live with.

[CCS]

Interesting debate :)

I recently went through this decision making process to buy my first D2. I decided i would buy on condition and use the v8 vs td5 price difference to buy fuel if i found a v8. I have no bias either way.

I ended up with a diesel for a v8 kind of price.

In terms of resale, i can only give an observation. For D1s and 2s, at the auctions (manheim, pickles) the diesels sell ok, the v8s rarely even get a bid and i havent seen a bid for a D1 v8 over $2k.

On the plus side, its happy hunting grounds for buyers of the v8s, especially if they are a little rough looking :)

[Dougal]

The last petrol car I bought, I paid $8k for it, drove it for 5 years and put $9k worth of fuel in the tank in that time.
It was an economical car too (for a petrol).

So if you plan to spend the purchase difference on fuel, you won't get far.

It used to be that depreciation was the biggest cost in owning a car. But now you can put far more $ through the fuel tank than every other cost combined. Even with new cars.

[OffTrack]

The other thing to factor in is that the UK LR is starting to recommend the td5 engined disco and defender over the 300tdi versions as best platform for "overlanding". While Australia is a different market to the UK I still think that view that the td5 d2 represents the sweet spot for a budget 4x4 tourer will become more prevalent. That might help prop up td5 values for a few years longer.

[gusthedog]

The other thing to factor in is that the UK LR is starting to recommend the td5 engined disco and defender over the 300tdi versions as best platform for "overlanding". While Australia is a different market to the UK I still think that view that the td5 d2 represents the sweet spot for a budget 4x4 tourer will become more prevalent. That might help prop up td5 values for a few years longer.

I agree :)

Who wants to buy my 2000 D2 for 30 grand? :D

[OffTrack]

I agree :)

Who wants to buy my 2000 D2 for 30 grand? :D

That was prop up falling values, not inflate them to D3 levels ;)

If you were talking a pristine May 2004 build D2 Td5 with all the fruit and under 100,000km on the clock, perhaps you'd get $30,000.

[Disco Muppet]

That was prop up falling values, not inflate them to D3 levels ;)

If you were talking a pristine May 2004 build D2 Td5 with all the fruit and under 100,000km on the clock, perhaps you'd get $30,000.

I've seen similar V8s asking 6-7k more than that, with more kms.
Tells you all you need to know about V8 drivers :D :wasntme:
Seriously, this argument is a moot point as OP as made his decision, and we all know that he made the right one. :tease:

[Eevo]

Tells you all you need to know about V8 drivers

that they know they have a safe, reliable, good sounding vechicle and that it should be priced accordingly. :wasntme:

[Disco Muppet]

that they know they have a safe, reliable, good sounding vechicle and that it should be priced accordingly. :wasntme:

Then they should of bought a Td5 :angel:
The stock 3.9 exhaust system sounds pretty weak for a V8.
Sure, put a decent exhaust on it and it sounds okay.
But still no turbo spool :cool:

[Eevo]

Then they should of bought a Td5 :angel:

0/3 criteria fulfilled.




But still no turbo spool :cool:
spool is for the racetrack.

the wildlife near the 4wd track dont want to hear no spool
they want to be deafened by the roar of a v8.

[BathurstTom]

the finance dept will soon want to know why your late to everything

No, that will be the War department making that enquiry :)

[mattadelaide1975]

Seriously, this argument is a moot point as OP as made his decision, and we all know that he made the right one. :tease:

Time will tell on that one :)

So far im enjoying the TD5 ride, although I have pined for the V8 a couple of times. All in all I am happy with the purchase:cool:

[mattadelaide1975]

that they know they have a safe, reliable, good sounding vechicle and that it should be priced accordingly. :wasntme:

Eevo.... what in your estimations is a reasonable price for the V8 then?

[Eevo]

Eevo.... what in your estimations is a reasonable price for the V8 then?
how long is a piece of string
it depends on what someone is willing to pay

with the usual mods of 2inch left etc, and no issues, 12k.
but ived looked at v8's being sold for 8k and some being sold for 18k.
i told the 18k owner she was dreaming as it was stock and had 250k on it


but im not price expect

[OffTrack]

that they know they have a safe, reliable, good sounding vechicle and that it should be priced accordingly. :wasntme:

Just like Pedro's one?

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/showthread.php't=119535

Not that you'd wish head two head gasket failures in two years on anyone.

[Disco Muppet]

Not sure how a Td5 is any less "safe" than a V8, as both vehicles have the same safety features.
Unless that's a reliability jibe, about being stranded.
In which case I would remind you:
These are Landrovers we're talking about, each one is as likely as the other to leave you stranded :wasntme:
Except the Td5 :tease:

[Eevo]

Not sure how a Td5 is any less "safe" than a V8,

turbo runway i had in mind

[Disco Muppet]

turbo runway i had in mind

Because that happens soooooo often.

[justinc]

Hmm, I am of the opinion that ringing a V8's neck is the only way to equal a chipped Td5's performance....less caning less fuel costs, too.

:p


JC

[OffTrack]

Hmm, I am of the opinion that ringing a V8's neck is the only way to equal a chipped Td5's performance....less caning less fuel costs, too.

:p


JC

But if you mention that to a v8 owner you won't hear the fabled exhaust note for the loud whining noises about how it's "only fair to compare stock vehicles". :wasntme:

[Eevo]

Because that happens soooooo often.

we were comparing hypotheticals
anything can happen
:)

[Eevo]

Hmm, I am of the opinion that ringing a V8's neck is the only way to equal a chipped Td5's performance....less caning less fuel costs, too.

:p


JC

but just how many TD5's are chipped?
such a small number

[biggin]

TD5's are superior in every way. That's why 90% of the threads on this site referring to engine runability issues are for the TD5.:angel::wasntme:

[gusthedog]

TD5's are superior in every way. That's why 90% of the threads on this site referring to engine runability issues are for the TD5.:angel::wasntme:

V8's are more reliable than TD5's? Probably. But you need to be either a shareholder in shell or own your own servo to fuel one :D:wasntme:

[Dougal]

The V8 should be 100% reliable. They've had 40 years to get there.

[Eevo]

The V8 should be 100% reliable. They've had 40 years to get there.

over 50 years i think. 1961??
tried and tested
if it aint broke, dont fix it :)

[Dougal]

over 50 years i think. 1961??
tried and tested
if it aint broke, dont fix it :)

The world has moved on since then.
I'm shocked at how gutless my 93 V8 feels. My 2.0tdi work car has the same torque.

[Eevo]

The world has moved on since then.
I'm shocked at how gutless my 93 V8 feels. My 2.0tdi work car has the same torque.

yeah i know.
diesels have come along way in the last 5-10 years
no, the TD5 doesnt count

[sheerluck]

The world has moved on since then.
I'm shocked at how gutless my 93 V8 feels. My 2.0tdi work car has the same torque.

My 1.6TDi Golf is not far behind it! And it's pulling 1200kg instead of 2 tons.

[Dougal]

There was an all-comers landrover challenge in the UK a few years back. Bring your choice of landrover engine, do whatever you could with it and see who wins.

I recall the tweaked TD5's thrashing all the tweaked V8's. But I can't find any reference to it online.

[brenno]

I recall the tweaked TD5's thrashing all the tweaked V8's. But I can't find any reference to it online.

How convenient :p

Perhaps a figment of yours and other TD5 owners imaginations?? :wasntme:

[Eevo]

I recall the tweaked TD5's thrashing all the tweaked V8's. But I can't find any reference to it online.

no source? i call bs then :p

on a more serious note, no one is doubting that you can can push (excuse the pun) forced induction further than natural aspiration.

with the TD5 the cost of pushing it further and the lack of bolt on mods is the limiting factor.
and the reason why 90%+ of TD5's are behind me

[Dougal]

How convenient :p

Perhaps a figment of yours and other TD5 owners imaginations?? :wasntme:

Perhaps not: RE: 'World's Fastest Defender' Shoot-out - PistonHeads (http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp't=758975)
;)

BTW, I don't own a TD5. I own a 4BD1T. If i didn't have the Isuzu I'd have a Td5.

[Eevo]

I own a 4BD1T.

4JX1 > 4BD1T :D

[Dougal]

4JX1 > 4BD1T :D

Nope. But thanks for playing.

You probably mean:
Stock 4JX1 just beats stock 4BD1T.

But
4BD1T with fuel screw turned eats 4JX1.
4BD1T with fuel screw removed and boost raised produces around 600Nm.

[brenno]

Perhaps not: RE: 'World's Fastest Defender' Shoot-out - PistonHeads (http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp't=758975)

Ummm, if I read the article correctly, the only reason it won was because of the tyres. :eek:

And I quote:

In spite of a significant power disadvantage against some of the V8 entries, the title went to a TD5 Hardtop with a 239bhp diesel engine - thanks in large part to a set of Porsche Cayenne-spec Michelins, according to the vehicle's owner Charlie Fawcett.

"We are obviously very pleased to have won this event as we were up against some much more powerful opposition, including supercharged V8-powered vehicles," he said. "In the end though, the Michelin tyres really made a difference as we were able use every one of our 239bhp to easily win both of the timed circuit sprints, and the overall title.

So, had the V8's with loads more power been able to keep that power transferred to the ground, they'd have won it. ;)

I'd hardly call this a thrashing.

[Dougal]

Ummm, if I read the article correctly, the only reason it won was because of the tyres. :eek:

And I quote:

In spite of a significant power disadvantage against some of the V8 entries, the title went to a TD5 Hardtop with a 239bhp diesel engine - thanks in large part to a set of Porsche Cayenne-spec Michelins, according to the vehicle's owner Charlie Fawcett.

"We are obviously very pleased to have won this event as we were up against some much more powerful opposition, including supercharged V8-powered vehicles," he said. "In the end though, the Michelin tyres really made a difference as we were able use every one of our 239bhp to easily win both of the timed circuit sprints, and the overall title.

So, had the V8's with loads more power been able to keep that power transferred to the ground, they'd have won it. ;)

I'd hardly call this a thrashing.

Or:
The V8 dyno queens had more peak power but it was not in a usable form. The TD5's while down on peak power numbers had far more torque, more area under the curve and far better drivability.
Ultimately making a faster vehicle.

Which is why my 4BD1T and 3.9 V8 RRC's have similar peak power but the Isuzu is much faster and better to drive.

[disco2_dan]

If we got an identical vehicle, but different engines (V8 vs Td5) and gave each of us 10k, I'd bet the Td5 would win ;)

Good luck OP :)

I don't agree with this at all when it takes $15000 to rebuild a td5 to a standard configeration, with $10000 I could build a 400+ hp engine and bring the box up to spec, other bits I'm not sure about like diffs and drive shafts, but I don't believe there would be any contest in strait line quarter mile type racing.... That's just my opinion, and if any one on here has a td5 that's a weapon and can pick me up for a test run then I would be interested in seeing how much you can get out of one? I would however think the life of a diesel would be severely reduced by increasing the performance the way we are talking about

[Eevo]

Nope. But thanks for playing.

You probably mean:
Stock 4JX1 just beats stock 4BD1T.

cant say ive ever seen a non stock 4JX1

[Eevo]

had far more torque, i didnt see that written in the article




Ultimately making a faster vehicle.
peak power and drive ratio determine top speed.
not torque or area under the curve.

[Dougal]

cant say ive ever seen a non stock 4JX1

They melt down often enough stock and have an obscure engine control system that not many people could tune.


i didnt see that written in the article


peak power and drive ratio determine top speed.
not torque or area under the curve.

Faster does not just imply higher terminal speed.

[Eevo]

They melt down often enough stock and have an obscure engine control system that not many people could tune.
lol, they were the beta of the current gen diesel engines.
aust diesel mechanics are idiots stuck in the stone age



Faster does not just imply higher terminal speed.
then you should of specified :)

[Disco Muppet]

If you dig past all the nit-picking, you find that the V8 boys are all feeling a tad insecure that a 5 cylinder diesel might be better than their antique of a BUICK V8 :wasntme:
As fun as it has been playing, I think it's time we wrapped this up.
Plenty of V8 vs Td5 threads, and we're clogging up OPs post.
Lets all wish him the very best with his new D2 and go argue over something else :D

[OffTrack]

It's definitely run it's course. Time to move on.