My old 101!

[Sitec]

All this talk of 101's got me thinking!! So, I've dug some photos of my old one out. Started life as a GS RHD 12v, which was thirsty, noisy, and slow. Since its release from military use it had had very little use, and sat rotting on a drive in the UK. That's when I found it. First to change was the V8.... into a FD6 Nissan Diesel. Then came the 4.7 to 1 diffs... This stretched its legs, and made it capable of 100mph.. Loaded! At this speed, I needed more light so the double headlighted bumper was made. Then came the twin linked fuel tanks and air tank... The red paint and the hard top! Fantastic machine and I want another!!!! Excuse the quality of the photos the first includes me, the last is the latest photo of the truck I have... but I was taking the photo!

For some reason the wonderful photo download system will only let me put one photo up... If I upload a second, it overwrites the first! Oh for the simple Facebook style system!!! Sooooo frustrating!!! Tried to put another up here... And it puts it on upside down! It's on the computer the right way up.... WTF?

[101RRS]

That is not a real good 101 - it has fallen over and ended up side down.:o

You took the pic down - I bet it comes back on its wheels.

[101 Ron]

All this talk of 101's got me thinking!! So, I've dug some photos of my old one out. Started life as a GS RHD 12v, which was thirsty, noisy, and slow. Since its release from military use it had had very little use, and sat rotting on a drive in the UK. That's when I found it. First to change was the V8.... into a FD6 Nissan Diesel. Then came the 4.7 to 1 diffs... This stretched its legs, and made it capable of 100mph.. Loaded! At this speed, I needed more light so the double headlighted bumper was made. Then came the twin linked fuel tanks and air tank... The red paint and the hard top! Fantastic machine and I want another!!!! Excuse the quality of the photos the first includes me, the last is the latest photo of the truck I have... but I was taking the photo!

For some reason the wonderful photo download system will only let me put one photo up... If I upload a second, it overwrites the first! Oh for the simple Facebook style system!!! Sooooo frustrating!!! Tried to put another up here... And it puts it on upside down! It's on the computer the right way up.... WTF?

When the Nissan diesel was fitted, how did you work out the gearbox / engine spacing.
I am guessing the longer motor must have made the radiator moved much further forward then standard V8.

[Mick_Marsh]

Sitec,
Sounds like you had an interesting 101.
You might have more success with linking photo's from something like photobucket.

[Sitec]

Here's the FD6 in place.... Don't look too closely at the conversion ring!! Steel plate and a Range Rover clutch cover drilled and bolted to the Nissan Flywheel.... Using a steel rule for accuracy!! I gave it 4 yrs abuse before selling it and it never failed... Oh we'll accept for literally blowing several over drives to pieces.. but 6 litres is going to do that!! Gearbox went back about 150mm , which eliminated the front prop drone that they all have!!

[Sitec]

And the hard top being built, all steel, as that's what I had access too at the time.. Made it ride well tho!

[Sitec]

And finished before paint... Sorry about the clarity/quality of these pics, they're old photos that I've then taken a pic of using the IPad... I might dig out the scanner and try that if anyone wants more detail. The rear wheel carrier was hinged off the original airport able lifting eyes, and latched to the tailgate 'anti loose' latches. Worked well... but not something to fold up or down for the faint hearted!!! I've started to do a bit of digging to see if I can find it again, as the UK road authority is showing that its sat 'laid up' at the moment!! Might be cheaper to buy it back and ship out rather than buy one here!! :)

[Sitec]

And lastly with an mate (pictured) down at Beltring Military gathering a yr or so before my wife and I migrated out here! Best decision in the world!! Cheers all!!

[DasLandRoverMan]

Prett sure I saw it for sale as a non runner on the 101 club board a year or two back.
Whoever had it took the Nissan out in favour of returning it to V8 power, and the roof was sold to someone else also.
Might not have been the same truck, but the roof and colour look familiar...

[Sitec]

Wouldn't surprise me, I've not seen it in at least 8 yrs now. Someone else told me it was laid up somewhere, and now painted black! They'd have had fun getting it back to a V8 as the props were altered, the gear linkage, etc etc.

[Sitec]

Did some digging!! Yup, you were on the money, it ended up on the 101 forum around Oct 09. A 101 forum user called 'rolly512' sold it to a guy in Bristol having chopped the roof down to a TC as he couldn't lift it off!! He said the engine blew up!! Pity they didn't look deeper for parts.. It was an FD6 5.7 litre straight 6, found in the older Nissan and International trucks here and Japan. Parts are still available and it was an awesome motor!! Sold for £2700.... Was looking tatty though. Here are some pics snapped off the forum!

[Sitec]

And another!

[Sitec]

And one more!! I even recognise my 'modified' box section linkage, where I mounted the gear lever to one of the engine lifting eyes! They also talk of it needing another High/Low lever and cable as I used the original for the overdrive. At least it's still providing fun even if it is lookin a little sorry for itself!! Have signed onto the 101 forum so will see if I can glean more info! Guess I'll give up on tracking it down and shipping it over if its back to a V8! The fuel bill used to be frightening. Should fly tho... I also fitted 4.7:1 Ser3 ring and pinnions!

[DasLandRoverMan]

I did try to buy the old engine from the guy when he was taking it out (was trying to get hold of an SD33 at the time) but the guy was adamant it was ****ed, and didn't seen over keen, and i didn't have much spare cash at the time, so I gave up.

Having found out what you've said about the engine I wish I'd tried harder now.

Still, good luck in finding another, if you're looking at trucks in the UK I might be able to help.

[Mick_Marsh]

I did try to buy the old engine from the guy when he was taking it out (was trying to get hold of an SD33 at the time) but the guy was adamant it was ****ed, and didn't seen over keen, and i didn't have much spare cash at the time, so I gave up.

Having found out what you've said about the engine I wish I'd tried harder now.

Still, good luck in finding another, if you're looking at trucks in the UK I might be able to help.
Now he tells us.
Put a few in a container and send them on over. I'm sure a few buyers will be found by the time they get here.

[DasLandRoverMan]

I have no capital to do so.

However, there's 2 GS's sold recently (one at a rock bottom price) along with another that is (as far as I'm aware from when I last spoke to the owner) off out there.

I also know of an ambulance that's sitting for sale and would make a nice project.
However, if you wished to provide some investment capital then I could find some 101's.

[Sitec]

Mmmmm, food for thought.... Who's up for this then.. How many GS's could we get in a 40' shipper?? 6 I'm thinking.. Approx $8000 from UK to here.. landed. $1500 each to cover it, purchase of a tatty GS each at $4000, $500 each for the mucking around UK side... $6000 each for a tatty GS..... Mmmm, Worth it?? Debatable.

[DT-P38]

Mmmmmmmm

[DasLandRoverMan]

I don't mind a bit of leg work over here, could even fill vehicles with parts before loading, **** loads of Skankey Trailers if you wanted em too.

[Sitec]

Oh dear, this is all getting too tempting! Even stuck a swap advert on here a few days ago!! Trawling through my old photos looking for something else, I found this.... One of the last pics taken of UDG in my ownership! I know they drive like trucks but it was an awesome bit of kit. If someone can enlarged the pic, that'd be great!

[101RRS]

Whats with the covered wheel steps and matching wheel steps on the rear.

I guess beauty is subjective and in the eye of the beholder but that front bumper does not do a alot for me.:o

[Mick_Marsh]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/101-forward-controls-variations/58052d1363912807-my-old-101-image.jpg

I don't know. It's not too bad. You've got to do something to mount the winch.
I've seen so many horrible attempts to civilianise a military vehicle.

[Sitec]

It was to be different! The wheel centres stem from being around trucks, and the bumper was stepped out as the second headlight on the RHS had insufficient room with the bumper left flat due to the steering box. This then lent itself to the jaw, and the two 'pigtail' recovery hooks that I bought when I was out here in 97! They had some abuse too!! It was always great knowing that driving up to walls in car parks you were not going to clean out your side lights and indicators. Fuel tanks were home made to, fill from the right, pick up in left, with one way valve thru 25mm pipe between. Fast cornering kept the LH tank full.. It was always full!! :) I was always amazed how well the LT95 took 5.7 litres of Nissan. The overdrive's on the other hand were not so happy!!:D

[rovercare]

Don't worry to much, Garry is one who poo poo's anyone doing anything other that what came from the factory....

Good job, The big oiler would of been awseome, far better than that horrid rover bent 8:D

[Mick_Marsh]

Don't worry to much, Garry is one who poo poo's anyone doing anything other that what came from the factory....

Good job, The big oiler would of been awseome, far better than that horrid rover bent 8:D
I say old chap, a bit harsh.
I quite like my bent eights.

A year or so ago, Dave Benson had a 101 on ebay. $10.5k I think. It was a hardtop with a diesel (Cummins I think) and the radiator mounted out the front.
I wonder where that went?

[101RRS]

Don't worry to much, Garry is one who poo poo's anyone doing anything other that what came from the factory....



Huh :confused: You don't know me - you have no idea what my preferences are.:mad:

[rovercare]

Huh :confused: You don't know me - you have no idea what my preferences are.:mad:

No, I've just read many, many of your posts:)

[Sitec]

Now now.... I'm the one who used to own it so I should be the one gettin upset... (I'm not tho!!:D). Like the idea of a Cummins..... 6Bt springs to mind.... That'll really make some faces cringe!!:)

[DasLandRoverMan]

A 6b has been made to fit in a IIA FC, there's a few in 110's, and one in a 90 that I know of.
Hasn't been done in a 101 yet, but as I have a truck with no engine or box, and lots of blank canvas ideas it might happen yet, if I can find the cash for an engine.

I fancy the idea of a double cab too.

[Sitec]

Oooh, an engineless 101 I thought... just what I want.. then I spotted your location DasLandRoverMan!!! But, that puts you in prime place for the perfect engine/trans combo IMO... The Leyland Roadrunner came out with the Cummins 6Bt and a nice reasonably compact ZF gearbox.... That coils prob be grafted to the LT230 quite well... One of those 90 conversions that you talk of has exactly this in it... (YouTube). You could even use/modify the gear lever and linkage assy to suit the 101.. The only drawback would be the direct injection noise.. The Nissan 6's are quieter being indirect injection..

[DasLandRoverMan]

I find the Aussie board better than the 101 forum if nothing else...

The IIA FC with the 6B retains the roadrunner gear linkage, works well by all accounts, my mate who built it has promised I can have a go, but in the 2 years since it was finished I'm yet to get over there to visit, a paltry 100 mile journey.

I'd be interested to give a big Nissan a go, but they command ****ing stupid money over here, the last complete lump I saw sell (a 4.2 six from a patrol with all the conversion kit for an auto Rangie attached) went for a bargain basement £1200. Most of the time they're being sold by breakers who sell them minus ancillieries for similar money, plus another £500-600 by the time you add on a starter, alternator etc.

A scrap roadrunner can be picked up from £700, but can also pose the problem of shipping a dead truck a few hundred miles home.

Current temptation is a 4 litre Jaguar AJ6, but now I think about it I know where there's an old Land Cruiser with a 4.2 and manual box that hasn't moved for a while.

[chazza]

but now I think about it I know where there's an old Land Cruiser with a 4.2 and manual box that hasn't moved for a while.

Don't do it cobber!

That engine struggled to move a Land Loser let alone a 101; absolutely gutless!

Cheers Charlie

[Sitec]

Yeah I'm with Chazza the Toyota 4.2 is a guttless slug! I've got a rotten $1500 GQ Patrol in the shed with a turboed TD42. This is my test bed for building up a tuned TD. Just opening the original pump up has made it lively! The guy who bought my 101 scrapped the 5.7 Nissan as he didn't know what it was and couldn't get parts!!!!

[DasLandRoverMan]

Jag or Cummins it is!!!

[Mick_Marsh]

Sitec,
This has got your name written all over it.
1976 Land Rover Forward Control in Cornwall | Used Land Rover for sale | Gumtree.com (http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/1976-land-rover-forward-control/1016405154)

[101RRS]

Frankenstein is alive and well.:)

Mike that looks nearly as bad as the big one you have :wasntme:.

However the cab area looks quite good and if you got rid of the box on the back and that wheel carrier on the front it might be a good fixerupper. I think it is a bit pricey for what it is at the moment though.

I think this would be worth every bit of the 5000 being asked 101 club • View topic - 101 radio body (http://www.101club.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6914)

Garry

[Mick_Marsh]

Frankenstein is alive and well.:)

Mike that looks nearly as bad as the big one you have :wasntme:.

However the cab area looks quite good and if you got rid of the box on the back and that wheel carrier on the front it might be a good fixerupper. I think it is a bit pricey for what it is at the moment though.

I think this would be worth every bit of the 5000 being asked 101 club • View topic - 101 radio body (http://www.101club.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6914)

Garry
Surprisingly, I agree with you on all counts.
I'm just trying to find one for Sitec.

[isuzurover]

Nice work... I remember a discussion a while back with a bunch of people saying a 4BD1(T) wouldn't fit a 101... You have fitted the equivalent of a 6BD1(T)!!!

Nice work. I actually like the twin headlight look.

[101RRS]

Nice work... I remember a discussion a while back with a bunch of people saying a 4BD1(T) wouldn't fit a 101... You have fitted the equivalent of a 6BD1(T)!!!

Nice work. I actually like the twin headlight look.

Yes and I was one of those but the comments were on the basis that the standard front suspension would not last in the long term and that no other major mods were made to the vehicle. I think that to get the engine in without major mods to the front of the vehicle the gearbox etc had to be moved back about 150mm and though I cannot find it at the moment I think different heavy duty suspension was installed but I am not sure.

One thing for sure - the 6bd mod with its associated mods seems to have worked well - if you did similar with a 4bd I think it would work as well.

Garry

[DasLandRoverMan]

There's an ambi in the UK running a 4bd1T.

[Dougal]

Nice work... I remember a discussion a while back with a bunch of people saying a 4BD1(T) wouldn't fit a 101... You have fitted the equivalent of a 6BD1(T)!!!

Nice work. I actually like the twin headlight look.

Yes I read that with some amusement. They were all worried about turbo location, which is pretty straightforward to fix. I liked your V8 petrol fuel carrying calcs.

I would expect a Nissan TD42T to be both slower and worse on fuel than the 5.7L Nissan engines. The TD42 is indirect injection and seriously inefficient. Yes it's a strong engine which can take a lot of boost. But because of the inefficiency it takes a lot more fuel and boost to give the same power.

Many petrol engines are more efficient at rated power than the TD42T is. Same with the Toyota 1HZ. But the 1HZ isn't in any way a tough engine.

[Sitec]

Mmmmm, all interesting stuff. Not been here for a while, but do like that 'barn find' Mick_Marsh! Cheers. Will b texting the guy shortly! As for the 'Big Nissan' FD6, it was reasonably tight, but with a few mods to the sump and a bit of fancy work with the air intake it worked well. Yes, it was heavy but 3 leaves instead of the STD 2 cured that and sat it about 20mm higher than STD height. When I fitted the engine, it was still a rag top and I actually used the second leaf from the rear in the front and then put a spacer in the rear to fill the gap and save changing bolts! The axles on the 101's are well built and mine handled the motor well, very well in fact. Trailer towing at 80mph was a regular occurrence on British Motorways, and the looks I used to get we're fantastic!! You're right in saying that the gearbox went back about 150mm, but this in turn cured the front prop drone. As for turbos... Everyone naturally wants to bolt the turbo to the side of the engine... There is no saying it can't be at the back just above the clutch. Nice slim exhaust manifold along one side, and feed straight into the inlet the other side.... Seriously keen about finding another, just got to bring myself around to selling the 130! Here's the latest engine idea as yes, Dougal, you are probably right about the TD42... Cummins 6bd out of a Leyland Roadrunner, along with its synchro gearbox, attached to an adapted LT230.... Just reading back thru the past comments, I noticed you asked about the radiator position Ron. Sorry, I missed that until now. The rad stayed in the same place, and I mounted a big fan on the front of the Nissan and sited the engine to suit that and a few other things, then went from there, building two fairly intricate engine mount plates so as to not alter the 101's chassis. It was just the gear linkage, props and gearbox tunnel that got modded. Found another old photo of it just before the engine went in...

[DasLandRoverMan]

You've given me lots of ideas.

Amongst other things I have an engineless 101 in the project pile, and have recently had offer of a Leyland 401 engine with a 5 speed spicer box for sensible money.
Apparently 150bhp from somewhere around 6.5 litres, has potential don't you think?

[isuzurover]

You've given me lots of ideas.

Amongst other things I have an engineless 101 in the project pile, and have recently had offer of a Leyland 401 engine with a 5 speed spicer box for sensible money.
Apparently 150bhp from somewhere around 6.5 litres, has potential don't you think?

Are they IDI or DI???

A 4BD1T will give you the same power from 3.9L...

[Sitec]

DasLandRoverMan, don't do it! Leyland horses are the Falabella horses of the world! Old British diesels are lazy! Silly way of describing it, but Leylands, BMC's, Land Rover IDI's and until recently Perkins always sound 'fluffy'. Fire up a CAT, Cummins, Sisu or Nissan and you get that course crisp 'ready to go' sound!! (Said by a pom). It'd be lazy to start, have no 'top end' and would need some tall gearing too as they are not a revvy lump. Better suited to the bus it came out of. You'd be much better off selling your engineless 101 to me!!!:D:D. Jokes apart, Jap 6's are revvy, and available to you with a bit of work, or the Cummins and box out of a Road Runner. That's what I'd be doing If I were you. If the 130 goes, that's exactly what I'll be doing. Another Nissan FD6t or similar, and I'm even thinking about a fancy adapted power shift box, because believe it or not geared right a 101 actually drives really well at 110kph/70mph.

As for 'four pots', nah thanks. The 101 says 'light truck'! It needs a big 6 and the chassis rails and shape lend it to it!! How good does that Cummins powered 110 sound on YouTube!....

[isuzurover]

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As for 'four pots', nah thanks. The 101 says 'light truck'! It needs a big 6 and the chassis rails and shape lend it to it!! How good does that Cummins powered 110 sound on YouTube!....

I agree that a 6 would be preferable, I was just trying to point out that an isuzu 4-pot has better power and economy than the leyland...


But there are plenty of 4-pot cummins out there that would have eaten your 6-pot nissan diesel for breakfast...
Quick trip in the twined Lexus 4B - YouTube

[Dougal]

I agree that a 6 would be preferable, I was just trying to point out that an isuzu 4-pot has better power and economy than the leyland...


But there are plenty of 4-pot cummins out there that would have eaten your 6-pot nissan diesel for breakfast...
Quick trip in the twined Lexus 4B - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v82MeYOa8bs)

Disgusting amount of smoke for a compound turbo setup. Turbos wrong size brah.

[Sitec]

Seemed to have no boost low down and run out of rpm at the top end... I hear you tho Isuzurover, I've just never been a fan of 4 pots, and up until last week there were two 4bd's in my shed! I wish I had had an IPad type thing back then... There would have been some interesting videos of the 101 in full flight! Their might still be if I get another!!!:D Think we are all in agreement that the Leyland would not be ideal!

[DasLandRoverMan]

The engine I was looking at isn't actually labelled as a Leyland, all the markings on it say DAF, but I'm told (by my mate who's an oracle on all things diesel) that its a 401, which is a high quality engines compared to a 6.354 or the likes.

Fair enough an Isuzu might make 150bhp, so does the Mazda in my 110, but the torque figures can't help but be higher?

All theoretical at the minute, no money to spend on engines.

[Sitec]

Same here re the theoretical bit!!! Still have a 130, cash shortage and SWIMBO's shorty to finish!!

[Dougal]

The engine I was looking at isn't actually labelled as a Leyland, all the markings on it say DAF, but I'm told (by my mate who's an oracle on all things diesel) that its a 401, which is a high quality engines compared to a 6.354 or the likes.

Fair enough an Isuzu might make 150bhp, so does the Mazda in my 110, but the torque figures can't help but be higher?

All theoretical at the minute, no money to spend on engines.

The Isuzu's are ~300Nm, 130hp stock. 170hp/500+Nm by turning screws. With no internal pump mods (just better turbocharging) they'll top out around 250hp and 600+Nm.

But the Isuzu's just aren't around in the UK, so a bit of a moot point for you.

[DasLandRoverMan]

I'm hoping I might get round to doing something with it this year, depends on money, which is what makes this Leyland/DAF lump appealing, its there and at least half the price of a Cummins.

I suppose I shouldn't mention there's a nice GS heading out there in a container from my locality over the summer?

[juddy]

No its a secret....;)

[101RRS]

No its a secret....;)

A big secret ...........:cool:

[Sitec]

Shhhhh.. :D

[DasLandRoverMan]

Quiet you... :angel:

[Homestar]

The cat's out of the bag now, you may as well spill it...:D

[DasLandRoverMan]

Said feline is still in the oven, I'll spit it out once its cooked and eaten.

[Sitec]

Thought you might like to see this DasLandRoverMan... ZF 5 speed which usually sits behind a Cummins 6bt. Nick ('The Big Purple One' on YouTube) used a simple little conversion shaft which slides onto the output shaft of the ZF and then is held there by the LT230. Bit of fancy plate work and the job is done. Think the LT 230 would need a little assistance from Mr Ashcroft in the CDL department though!!

[DasLandRoverMan]

Not seen that picture before, but I have had some correspondence with Nick about the conversion.

I believe me made up a shaft from the adapter piece for the ZF auto onto an LT230 (FTC5090) with a DAF drive flange pressed and welded onto the end.
Neat idea by all accounts.

Still liking the idea of the cummins, but with Td5 Discos now becoming ludicrously cheap, and having seen how well they can go (mates tuned one in a 110, towing 3.5 tonnes up hill at 80mph and still pulling) I'm very tempted by the idea of a Td5 101, even more so by the idea of doing one on coils with the Disco II axles and power steering.

[Sitec]

Yeah, the coils are tempting.... Had thought about 130 7" rears all round, but I'd want to stick with the 101 axles purely for the strength aspect. With some decent disks, a double calliper conversion, and 4.7 diffs you'd be set.. With the Disco axles your back to marzipan shafts, you'd have to drop to the 4.7 Rover diffs which flex too much as the crown wheel is thinner. Working on the power steering option.... Would be interested to see what the Roadrunner PAS box looks like.... Here's a pic of Nicks conversion shaft! Catcha!:)