Snorkel for 2.2 ltr Deefer.

[Alra]

Hi Troops,

I've recently purchased a 110 wagon and would like to discuss snorkel options. I have sniffed around ARB and the Safari Snorkels but they haven't made a specific model for the 2.2 liter engine yet. I have posted a similar conversation on this topic and some members have informed me that using the same snorkel that went on the 2.4 ltr engine is fine. I quizzed them on the water seal and it seems none have been tested in water deep enough. I have a trusted mate in the ARB circle and he can't advise to go ahead with the same snorkel that goes on the 2.4.

I have considered going with the LR option kit but I have heard that it is not water tight at the engine bay level and is only good as a raised air intake. Are there any other options out there? I'm not the best on the tools so fabricating and fitting my own isn't really an option. Is it just a case of using a good sealant to keep the water out.

Cheers,

Danial.

[Summiitt]

Im in the same boat! The mantec style genuine snorkel looks like a proper snorkel, not a RAI.
I'm heading into the tjm store today so I will check out the airtec snorkels.

[Witchdoctor]

Just purchased one for my 2.2 Puma, will be fitting it very soon.
Have a chat with Darren at Brendale TJM, very helpful.

Cheers

[Drover]

Snorkels where to start.....

1/ 2.4l & 2.2l PUMA's use the same snorkels kit.

2/ All snorkels / RAI's are water proof and will basically do the sane job. Brands like Safari will allow your to use a per filter sock or foam cover for dusty conditions or will accomodate a different head units.

3/ All PUMA's have factory ducting from the air intake on the guard to the air box. This ducting is made up of several pieces that are not sealed together. yes they leak.

4/ The ducting is restrictive and winds through the engine bay in different shapes and various inside diameters causing restive air flow to the air box.

5/ All snorkel kits rely on the snorkel fitting/sealing against the mudguard and the factory ducting.

6/ Will the snorkel seal against the mudguard.....probably not. Does the factory ducting seal against the inside of the guard....probably not.

Solution.

Buy what ever snorkel you like and replace the factory ducting with some flexi tube or similar. Make up or have made up adaptors to fit the flexi tube to the air box and to fit the other end to the snorkel.

There you go.

[NT5224]

Danial

Good on yer for getting a Land Rover in Cloncurry mate! That'll turn a few heads -but you're along way from Dealer support.

There used to be dealers in Mount Isa a few years back when I lived there, but he was run out of town almost overnight when a woman's husband came home unexpectedly and found him 'visiting'. So the story went. :)

I've got the Factory Mantec snorkel on my 2.2 so I'll follow Drover's advice of replacing and correctly sealing the ducting.

I have also heard the 2.4 Safari and ARB's fit the 2.2.

Good luck

Alan

[Alra]

Im in the same boat! The mantec style genuine snorkel looks like a proper snorkel, not a RAI.
I'm heading into the tjm store today so I will check out the airtec snorkels.

Thanks Summitt,

Please let me know how you go with your TJM enquiries.

Cheers,

Danial.

[Alra]

Snorkels where to start.....

1/ 2.4l & 2.2l PUMA's use the same snorkels kit.

2/ All snorkels / RAI's are water proof and will basically do the sane job. Brands like Safari will allow your to use a per filter sock or foam cover for dusty conditions or will accomodate a different head units.

3/ All PUMA's have factory ducting from the air intake on the guard to the air box. This ducting is made up of several pieces that are not sealed together. yes they leak.

4/ The ducting is restrictive and winds through the engine bay in different shapes and various inside diameters causing restive air flow to the air box.

5/ All snorkel kits rely on the snorkel fitting/sealing against the mudguard and the factory ducting.

6/ Will the snorkel seal against the mudguard.....probably not. Does the factory ducting seal against the inside of the guard....probably not.

Solution.

Buy what ever snorkel you like and replace the factory ducting with some flexi tube or similar. Make up or have made up adaptors to fit the flexi tube to the air box and to fit the other end to the snorkel.

There you go.

Thanks Drover,

As I mentioned earlier I'm not the best on the tools. So is changing the plumbing around to ensure a little more water integrity done by the oulet that fits the snorkel or do they usually just tack it on and leave the refined tubing to you?

Regards,

Danial.

[Alra]

Danial

Good on yer for getting a Land Rover in Cloncurry mate! That'll turn a few heads -but you're along way from Dealer support.

There used to be dealers in Mount Isa a few years back when I lived there, but he was run out of town almost overnight when a woman's husband came home unexpectedly and found him 'visiting'. So the story went. :)

I've got the Factory Mantec snorkel on my 2.2 so I'll follow Drover's advice of replacing and correctly sealing the ducting.

I have also heard the 2.4 Safari and ARB's fit the 2.2.

Good luck

Alan

Thanks Alan,

Toyota definitely have the market stitched up around these parts. I myself have have had a 100 (naturally asthmatic, oops I mean aspirated) series cruiser and now a Prado for a work car. But you know what I would pick the Deefer everyday of the week. The 100 series was rubbish on the bitumen and the ride quality was not that flash in the rougher stuff. The Prado is to bouncy off the bitumen. Plus I feel even more confident in the Deefer than the 100 series when climbing the old mine tracks in the range between here and Mt Isa.

On your original point, there are a few LR's floating around. Today I spied a nice silver D2 pulling into the Woolies car park. There is even a RR Evoque getting around in Mt Isa.

Cheers,

Danial.

[Drover]

Thanks Drover,

As I mentioned earlier I'm not the best on the tools. So is changing the plumbing around to ensure a little more water integrity done by the oulet that fits the snorkel or do they usually just tack it on and leave the refined tubing to you?

Regards,

Danial.

The accessory supplier will only screw it to the out side of the guard.

If you want more than that you need to either do it you self or talk to the fitter.

The difficulty is the two adaptors to fit the tube to the snorkel and the other end to the air box. You need to fabricate these up.

I cut the air box off fitting off the factory ducting and sikaflexed it to the flex tube.

The snorkel end I cut out an alloy plate, the same shap as the rubber gasket that is supplied in the snorkel kit, welded on a short piece of tube , so I could clamp the flexi tube to it and riveted it to the snorkel.

The assembley is done off the vehicle and when you ready just slide the tub through the hole in the guard, guiding it to the air box. Then mount the snorkel to the guard and you done - gareunteed water tight.

[Loubrey]

Agree 100% with Drover.

All "snorkels" are manufactured as Raised Air Intakes to breath cleaner air way from the dust thrown up by the front wheel.

To turn it into an actual snorkel (breathing while under water) takes a bit of engineering and effort to achieve. The 300 Tdi was really the last Defender that could drive under water with just clean, dry air due to the absence of electronics. It had a mechanical link throttle and the breathers were all just waiting to be extended, so as long as it got dry air it would actually wade up to 1200mm (been there under emergency flood conditions - scary!)

The Puma has a throttle sensor at the top of the accelerator pedal that effectively governs the depth you can wade and fail or in other words lose you forward momentum and have the water rush in (regardless of the 500mm in the book). Drover's car has a lot of preparation and modification (from reading the forum:D) and is an example of what can be achieved if you personally take charge and do the modifications.

The long and the short is that if you really need your snorkel to wade a Puma, dry air is the least of your concerns (and believe me this is even more true of all other makes of cars).

The Mantec (own brand or Land Rover OME) has a head specifically engineered for cleaner air (dust separation) and you won't go wrong with it, but the ram air effect RAI's like Safari and it's clones have their own merits.

Good luck with your choice!

Cheers,

Lou